What’s the Deal with the Losing in Louisville?
College Football September 10th. 2008, 3:45pm
Intern Parrish chronicles the rapid rise and fall of Louisville football.
Two years ago, Louisville was on the precipice of becoming one of the new powers in college football. Bobby Petrino brought his potent passing attack to horse racing country and rode the sick combo of QB Brian Brohm and RB Michael Bush to national notoriety. Then Petrino took the money and ran to Falcons … for three months.
What was a program on the rise to do after their star coach bolted for the NFL? Hire Tulsa head coach Steve Kragthorpe after 48-hours of searching. Having already fixed a once-pathetic program using a spread attack, Kragthorpe seemed like a natural fit. Fans rejoiced.
Oops.
Since Kragthorpe took over, Louisville has gone 7-7 with losses to rival Kentucky (twice), Connecticut, Utah and 2-10 Syracuse. Louisville opened this season on national television with a 27-2. If the heat was on Kragthorpe going into the season, he must feel like he is sitting in hot magma.
The remaining schedule has only two games in which the Cardinals should win, so another 6-6 season could be in the works. How did this hire go so wrong so fast? Kragthorpe was known as an offensive guru and to his credit, the offense has done well with the exception of the Kentucky stinker. The defense, not so much. [Ed. How about landing a Top 100 player, coach?]
The year Petrino guided Louisville to the Orange Bowl in 2006, he had the pleasure of fielding a solid defense led by first-round pick Amobi Okoye at DT (the year before, he had relentless DE Elvis Dumervil). Last year, Kragthorpe had no one near that caliber on defense, and they finished 84th in the country, meaning Brian Brohm could lead them to 31 points each game and lose.
If the defensive struggles continue, and Hunter Cantwell isn’t leading the Cards to 40 points a game, Kragthorpe could surpass Petrino’s four-year loss total (nine) in the first month of his second season as coach.
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September 10th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Bobby Petrino is worse than herpes. Whatta douchenozzle.
September 10th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Did Jerry Seinfeld write this headline?
September 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Cracker, +1 for making me laugh, -1 for making me think of that awful Seinfeld/Gates commercial.
September 10th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I keep waiting for that commercial to be funny. Maybe I have to be ripped or something.
September 10th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Nope, I tried Billy, doesn’t work.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Yeah, it’s Petrino’s fault that they suck. I forgot how successful they were before he got there.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Shit. Well then they must’ve been ripped making it…either way it blows.
And wasn’t Okoye an DE? Not a DT? Little guy a la Freeney? And like 19 as a college senior (I’ll be 25 when I finally graduate, here’s to the 6 year plan!)?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Could we wait until he gets his recruits in his system first?
/Charlie Weis SUUUUUUCKS!
September 10th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
no. he was always a DT and far from little. dumervil is tiny, perhaps that’s who you were thinking of.
and ark…petrino was fantastic for the cards. he probably just stopped giving a shit about recruiting when he knew he was gonna leave (you know, right after he signed that extension…the writing was on the wall then).
September 10th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Yeah, can we?
/Dick Rod
September 10th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Damn, yeah, you’re right spence. Blast.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
hey, first time today!
September 10th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
magma is a great word. never used enough. magma.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Spencer, that’s why I have no reason to believe he won’t do the same here. Hell, he took a QB who’s main job was to hand off to D-Mac and Felix Jones and not fuck the game up and turned him into a 300 YPG passer. And that is with shit WR’s who can barely catch the ball.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
@cbh
Honestly now. I know you love ND and all, but how can you wake up in the morning and look yourself in the mirror and say “I love what Charlie Weis has done to my football team”??? He has his recruits there… he has his system there… he has his hand picked coaching staff there… and what has he done with them? I actually hate ND quite a bit and am obviously biased, but what has he done to make you happy with him as your coach? Recruiting doesn’t count either, because ND could get recruits if Satan was coaching…
September 10th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I don’t follow…Louisville is 1-1 and they should win 2 more games to get them a 6-6 record. Is there a 3-point line in college football now?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
I was very happy with him the first two years, now not so much, still waiting to see how this year goes.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
small sample size. plus the Big East isn’t the SEC, let’s wait until they play LSU, Auburn, etc.
not trying to squash your canteloupe, as i actually think he’ll do pretty well, but let’s hold off for a second. and remember, he’s fighting for recruits in the same territory as Saban, Les Miles, Tommy T., and Nutt (who you have to admit was a pretty solid recruiter).
September 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
wait, cbh is a notre dame fan too? man, we’re like the same person.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
How can you possibly say they were “on the precipice of becoming one of the new powers in college football”, that’s insane. They had one good year in a horrible time for the big east. Bobby SOUUUUIIII knew that they overachieved and couldn’t possibly sustain that type of success, so he took the money and ran.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
he has a FANTASTIC gunt.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Who are your other teams Battlin Billy?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
@Maggs - ironically, satan is coaching. he’s just at alabama right now and won’t be at ND until they fire Weis in 2010 and offer $6mil.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
funnier sounding to me
September 10th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
mizerle…if you ask Maggs, he’ll tell you Satan is already coaching in Columbus. coaching AND WHOOPING SOME WOLVERING ASS…SUUUUU-EYYY!!!!!!!
/don’t hate me, it just felt right
September 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I would love it if Saban became Notre Dame coach.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
cbh…i would love it if saban ate a bullet, but unfortunately for us both, neither is happening any time soon.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
You do understand those were Tyrone’s guys? Weis has gotten LOADS of talent to head to South Bend and he hasn’t done shit with any of them… that is a glaring indicator of awful coaching. I honestly don’tmean to sound as if I am attacking your prgram because I am not I just try to put myself in your position and I would not back this guy up anymore. Hell it was put up or shut up time LAST year and now they struggle out of the gate at home against SDSU?!? I just dont understand the love for that guy down there at all.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
@spencer - well, Maggs would be wrong because he’s really at Bammer.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
baseball: the yankees.
no hockey team anymore. i’m boycotting hockey forever.
basketball: used to be the lakers when Magic was around. more of a basketball gypsy these days.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
@spencer - in case you didn’t like the first view, here’s another one.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
You do understand those were Tyrone’s guys?
How did those guys perform under Ty? Like dog shit.
How did they perform under Charlie? BCS bowls back to back years.
You are right, the performance against San Diego State was unacceptable.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
mizerle…saban’s too close of a representation for it to be accurate. the real satan is jim grobe. anyone who can make Wake Forest relevant in football must be Beelzebub.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
Battlin, you like the Yankees, we can’t be the same person.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
come on…serious? if they didn’t bring hordes and hordes of fans and viewers they wouldve never been considered.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
@spencer - beelzebub and satan are two different incarnations of evil. they are buds, but different. BELIEVE ME when I say satan is a Bammer right now. just for fun again…
September 10th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
You do understand those were Tyrone’s guys?
How did those guys perform under Ty? Like dog shit.
How did they perform under Charlie? BCS bowls back to back years.
From all of this I have an Idea. Ty is probably going to get fired this year why dont they get him involved in some sort of role in ND. Then everyone wins.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I am serious, even without those BCS bowls, look at how Quinn and Smarzijda did under Weiss.
Funny how Notre Dame can go 9-2 in 05 and 10-2 in 06 and they got to the BCS because of their name, others go 9-3 or 10-2 and they earned it.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Does Notre Dame have to go undefeated to earn a BCS berth? Lose 1 game? That’s bull.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Under Ty they were underclassmen… under Charlie they were juniors and seniors. I think Charlie has a complete lack of ability to coach fundamentals of the game. He can coach guys who already know what they are doing, but to take a raw kid and make him into a great football player is something Charlie has proved himself inept at time and time again.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
welcome to OSU’s world…it’s not fun
September 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
HA! o$u earned THAT right by having their pants pulled down in the NC game two years in a row.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Time and time again after 1 season? Ok Maggs.
Why does fucking Ty Willingham get a pass? Notre Dame was good in his FIRST season, so I guess that was all because of Bob Davie right? Ty Willingham is not a good coach.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
do we need to do this again cbh?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
The more Washington fails the more I enjoy it, because it lessens all this Ty Willingham did a great job bullshit.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Mags…well, what does that say for your team that has been beaten soundly by said embarassed teams 6 of the last 7 times?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Liek I said I am not trying to hate on ND, but Wies is NOT a good coach and I can’t understand why nobody down there can see that.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Yeah remember when you did it mizerle and you found out I was right, that was fun.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
@spence
Lloyd was as predictable on offense as an open playbook?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
being ranked high enough to justify being picked at large.
You do realize that applies to Notre Dame right?
Under the new BCS arrangement Notre Dame will be guaranteed one of the at-large slots in a BCS bowl if it is ranked No. 8 or better in the final BCS Standings.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
sort of. I guess you didn’t read the last couple of paragraphs. my final assessment was that ND has a clear path to a BCS bowl just by finishing at a certain ranking. they never have to worry about their only path being a conference championship or being the lucky one to get picked at large.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
The Michigan Men just don’t have any heart - never have.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Mags…regardless, a loss is a loss and Michigan did indeed lose. there’s no point in taking it any further.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
thank you for making my point for me. no other team in the country has that kind of deal, right?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
The only team that Notre Dame beat that finished ranked during this span was a 9-4 Penn State in 2006.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Ty gets a pass because he’s already fired. Weis doesn’t get a pass because he’s still there, sucking the life out of Notre Dame football. Since Brady proved that he’s better without Weis, what has the fat guy done to deserve praise? If anything, he’s convinced me the Brady Quinn was the only reason they ever won.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
The Big Ten has it pretty good with no conference championship.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
What I meant was there are only 2 “gimme” games…poor writing on my behalf.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Being ranked 8 isn’t high enough for you? Doesn’t any at large have to at least be in the top 12?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
@mak - I didn’t say conference championship GAME, I said conference championship. every conference has a conference champion. therefore, the conference champion won the conference championship.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
I disagree. Louisville was going to be a good program with Petrino…the only problem being he was never going to stay.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
So it is the greatness of Weis to get them to BCS games and the shittiness of Ty’s recruiting that got them hammered?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
I’m pretty sure there have been teams ranked in the top 8 in the BCS rankings that have not been picked as at large teams. Notre Dame has that guaranteed. I’ll do some more research cbh…
September 10th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Miz, they’re not in a conference, are you saying because of that they shouldn’t be allowed to play in the BCS?
How is number 8 not a high enough ranking?
September 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I am not, nor have I ever said Weis is a great coach. However, he did a great job his first two years.
Ty had one good season and two lousy ones, and they weren’t hammered in that Ohio State game, I don’t care what the yards were, they were down 7 with a little over 2 minutes to go.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
@cbh - I’m not saying that at all. I think Notre Dame should have the same standard since they choose to not be affiliated with a conference. no other team in the country has a guaranteed entrance into a BCS game if they are ranked in the top 8, and Notre Dame does.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
@cbh - side note. I was thinking the other day about how the ND perception would be different if Bush hadn’t pushed Leinart into the end zone. it’s amazing how one play can potentially affect the next few years.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
looked pretty bad giving it the eyeball test
September 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Miz, we can definitely agree on that one.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Come on Spencer, you were the one claiming Shaun Rogers was having a good day when he got to Romo once. That didn’t pass the eyeball test to me.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
cbh…ill give you the eyeball test, asshole.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Thanks, fucker.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
bitches.
/was feeling left out
September 10th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
you wanna piece of me? i’ll cut you, lawya.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
stay out of this mizerle…this is between me and cbh
September 10th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
out.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
you’re gonna eyeball his asshole?
/reading between the lines
September 10th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Spencer, you’re my homeboy, my brother from a different mother, let’s not fight.
I know you hate both but you would prefer to see Notre Dame beat Michigan Saturday, right?
September 10th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Actually for Buckeye fans, as difficult it is to root for them, it is preferable for Michigan to beat Notre Dame. However, if Notre Dame ends up winning, there won’t be much sadness.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
As a Tar Heel basketball fan I would never cheer for Duke against anyone. You should be ashamed slc.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Conference strength does not mean as much in college basketball, assuming an average season, Duke will always have a chance to play for the national title. In college football that is not the case.
Every year I root for Ohio State and Michigan to both be undefeated when they meet. It has happened only twice in my lifetime, although I was 3 the first time in 1972. Ohio State is 1-0-1.
Even though my head tells me it is good for OSU to have a Michigan team with a good win-loss record to beat, when they are losing to someone else, my heart is happy.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Yeah I thought of that after I posted, in college football I understand it.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Debateable, as a team’s RPI depends a lot on who they play, and playing in a strong conference helps.
Hawaii and Ohio St. were huge beneficiaries of weak conferences last year. The selection committee always looks at SOS when determining at larges, whereas the BCS can’t really do that so much.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
cbh…werd, ive calmed down a bit.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
When Florida and Alabama usually plays, I root for coaches getting their head stuck up their own asses. But since Saban is in Alabama now, I hope his is stuck further up.
/LSU
September 10th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
RPI means a lot on seeding for basketball, but my point was Duke can always play for the national championship if they have one of their typical seasons. This year especially, people will be looking to avoid putting Ohio State into the national title game if they can. Having as strong a strength of schedule as they can is helpful to OSU.
Now if like last year, they are the only major conference team with 1 loss, SOS will not matter. However, if USC doesn’t lose their last game, they are going and OSU is staying home, largely based on the weakness of the Big Ten.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
We are in agreement.
September 10th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Big difference b/n good program and power of college football. Good teams are capable of making a run every 3-6 years and sniffing the top 10. College powers have the talent and depth to compete for titles and win 10 games every year (doesn’t mean they actually do). Petrino took them as far as they were ever going to go, they weren’t/aren’t winning a title.
September 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
That’s just not true. Louisville had 3 top 25 years in a row, including 2004 when they went 11-1 (lost 41-38 @ Miami, and beat undefeated Boise St in the Liberty Bowl) and 2006 when they went 12-1 (lost 31-28 @ Rutgers and won the Orange Bowl). The 2006 year, the Big East had 3 top 12 teams (WVU and Rutgers) and went 5-0 in bowls. If Louisville had won the Rutgers game (and everything else went the same), they would have been in the BCS championship game without question.
The reason Louisville looked real, rather than just a flash Utah or Tulane or whatever, is that the entire athletic program upgraded bigtime at the same time. Big East, new stadium, basketball came back from the dead to elite, baseball went from nowhere to College World Series, and the improvements across the board (volleyball, soccer, golf, etc.) took them from nowhere to top 25 in the AD’s Cup. The football collapse is a genuine mystery — it’s hard to figure out whether it’s Petrino or Kragthorpe’s fault, but it should be a consistently good program now and it looks like they’re back to mid-90s mediocrity.
Of course, backsliding in football across the Big East doesn’t help counter those that refused to acknowledge when it was genuinely good for a few years.