Rob Dibble Lobs a Couple Grenades at ESPN (Keith Law Might Want to Run for Cover)
Baseball, ESPN September 11th. 2008, 12:15pm
We remember him as a “Nasty Boy” with the Reds, you may recall him being Dan Patrick’s tag-team partner on ESPN radio, and others remember him because he famously brawled with manager Lou Pinella in 1992.
Two lines we thought we’d pass along, from a recent chat Dibble had over at the Baseball Think Factory:
Bizzy: a lot of people don’t give Jeter the credit is due in my opinion, and one of the reason is because his ops is so low
RKD49: Bizzy, Jeter has more hits then Babe Ruth and Joe Dimaggio and Mickey Mantle, only Lou Gherig stands in his way as The Yankee with the most hits of all time….As far as Jeters greatness, how about most hits,runs,and total bases in postseason history…OP? OPS was made up by espn, it means nothing to me.
Bizzy: I know it doesn’t, I’m just stating what sabermetricians that I talk to say about Jeter, I believe he’s a great hitter, you have to be when you pass the likes of Joe D, Mantle and Ruth
RKD49: I’m not down of you Bizzy, I love numbers and stats too, but Keith Law saying Jim Rice would be the worst outfielder in The HOF because his OBP on the road is low is a joke, anybody who faced him says he’s a HOFer, Keith Law played how many games in The Big leagues?…Sometimes numbers get in the way of common sense, that’s what I’m talking about….Rice was awesome and who cares what Keith Law thinks anyway, he needs a good beating from Rosie O”donell
Wow, Dibble’s all over the place here, kind of like Rick Ankiel was when he pitched. In typical neanderthal former-athlete fashion, Dibble wants us to disregard what ESPN’s Keith Law thinks because the guy never played the game. Regardless of what you think of Law (he was totally wrong about Gavin Floyd, but that’s neither here nor there), that logic is worse than Dibble’s other premise: the insinuation that pitchers who faced Jim Rice “say he’s a HOFer.” (Worth noting: Dibble never faced Jim Rice.)
So now we’re polling pitchers to find out who is worthy of the HOF? Well then we should just ask Dave Stewart, Roger Clemens, Jimmy Key, Bert Blyleven, Mark Gubicza and Randy Johnson about Don Mattingly and the HOF. He batted over .300 against all of them.
OPS? We’ll leave that one to the pros.
Intern Bill greatly contributed to this post.
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September 11th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
I’ll have to see if Keith Law addresses this in his Facebook status
September 11th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Rob Dibble is Intern Bill.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
OPS was made up by espn
This and many other things.
BTW.Dont you hate when you go to Taco Bell and they don’t give enough sauce. I order 3 Items I only got 3 sauces…bullshit
September 11th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Who the F is Bizzy?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
i have a problem with this:
Jeter is overrated, not underrated. He’s been given his due and some of everybody elses.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Marge Schott would not approve of Dibble talking to Bizzy Bone
September 11th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Keith Law isn’t the best analyst around, but holy shit is he better than Rob Dibble.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
The stat that most interests me is BRAA because it sounds like bra.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Bizzy Bone?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
How the hell is Best Damn Sports Show still on the air?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
please tell me how jeter is ‘overrated.’
are you comparing him to someone else? what is the overrated cutoff line?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Although Dibble never faced Jim Rice, he has likely talked to people that have. Some of those pitchers say he is the best hitter that they have ever faced.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Re: Rob Dibble
No mas…
September 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
is Baseball Think Factory a Yankees blog?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Kanye West Arrested
http://www.knbc.com/entertainment/17447333/detail.html
Marge Shott now forgives Dibble and pets her dog
September 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
TBL-agreed hes the ultimate team player hes balls out for the team and hes from michigan…good guy
September 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
who are these pitchers? have people really spoke glowingly about jim rice’s ability to hit?
the man had a .298 career avg and one season over .300 after the age of 30. he couldn’t hold paul molitor’s dick
(slight exaggeration, but it sounded cool. right?)
September 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
“you may recall him being Dan Patrick’s tag-team partner on ESPN”
I always knew he switched his monicker to DP for a reason
September 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Derek Jeter is not overrated. He is perhaps more famous than someone of his skills generally would be, but having soccer Mom’s in Iowa know who you are doesn’t mean that the general populace who evaluate baseball players have a misperception of you.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
boy, the Jerks will love this post…
September 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
+1 cool rick, now he tag-teams with olberman. DP always DPing with someone.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
ESPN is now “reporting” that Beanie is now doubtful after experiencing soreness in his foot.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I hope the Yankees keep playing Jeter at short for as long as possible. Id rather not see them in the playoffs for awhile.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
jeter is not even the best ss on his own team.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
ESPN is now “reporting†that Beanie is now doubtful after experiencing soreness in his foot.
Spencer is on suicide watch. USC-45 OSU-21
September 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
where at Rex? The website or TV? Fucking Collision at the Colliseum Pete Carroll Bukkake Fest!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Rob Dibble smash!
September 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Tampa Bo, I hope you’re right. I’d love to see OSU get destroyed.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
is pryor going to lineup at tailback now?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
what was the line before this announcement? will be interesting to see how it changes today.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
ESPN is also reporting that while the Cleveland Browns will field a defensive line Sunday, people watching the game will not be able to tell.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Dibble was the boss in RBI Baseball.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Dibble was the boss in RBI Baseball.
Eckersley was better.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I don’t know that he’s overrated, but obviously overhyped (as is typical for NYC). Certainly one of the top shortstops of his generation, though not of all time– the reverence the media treats him with is Favre-like.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
The fact that he has won multiple gold gloves makes him pretty overrated.
Coaches don’t even know how bad he is.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
And Gavin Floyd still sucks. He’s, at absolute best, an average pitcher.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
His average pitching has served me well in fantasy this year.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
but he doesn’t commit errors! so what if he is like Zoolander and can’t go left.
/stoking fire
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I think Favre’s a pretty good comparison. Joe Buck is to Derek Jeter what John Madden is to Brett Favre.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
NickP-Gavin Floyd is a fucking beast.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Gavin Floyd needs to lay an egg tonight.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
ESPN.com says Wells is 75% and probable. Is this a Herbstreit breaking news story?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I’m making flashcards for the 20 different amino acids.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
fucking fantastic
September 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
But wait last week it was all, we have amazing backup RB’s, we don’t need Beanie Wells to beat USC. What happened to that?
September 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Lance-doin the same thing but with CAPM.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
we don have good RBs but still would like out best RB to play
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Jeter’s greatest asset has been his consistency. He was in the top 4 in RC/27 for shortsops each year from 2000-2007 (I am a little too lazy to look up before that, but I would imagine he was in the top 4 from ‘97 on.) Even this year he is still #1 in the AL. And yes his fielding is probably average at best, but there aren’t a lot of players at any position who can show that kind of consistent output. The hating on him is a bit crazy.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
*our
September 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I seriously think the company I work for time delays the internet. Is that possible?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
one of the best reponses i’ve ever heard from a sports radio caller:
fox sports radio host: are you into stats?
caller: i’m more interested in what happens on the field.
bravo!
September 11th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
@ Tampa: where do you go to school?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
No.
We do. We’ll still win.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Lance-Im done with school. Im taking a Project Management course at Techskills. What about you?
September 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Good, then don’t be worried about Beanie being out.
/sincere
September 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
UT-Austin. And I was looking forward to the game all week (season ticket holder). It’s now going to be the same weekend as the Austin City Limits Music Festival, which means this town is gonna swell with people. Glad I didn’t buy a wristband this year (did for the previous 4 years, but this year’s lineup is just weak). I have class now so I’ll drop by if I can.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Careful, Leitch may issue a hit on you for talking shit about Ankiel
September 11th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I wish former athletes would just keep their traps shut more often…
September 11th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Two hundred hits in a season could mean 200 singles. Yeah…hits is an important category, Dibble.
Jeter has also had the benefit of an EXTRA ROUND in the playoffs. MORON.
And Gavin Floyd sucks, TBL. Would you say he’s a top 50 pitcher in the AL? Probably not. Thus, I don’t think Law is wrong in calling him average.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
I guess the best way I can think of putting it (and I realize that this isn’t the most apt comparison for some since not everyone follow soccer) but Jeter is overrated/hyped much the way that David Beckham is. Most soccer fans realize that Beckham is a good-great players but far from one of the all time bests. They acknowledge his superior skills (his services) as well as his faults (lack of pace, blowing a fair number of PKs). Jeter is much the same. He’s been a very good-great player throughtout his career. He’s a good hitter as evidenced by his career line of .316/.386/.458 from the SS position, but like Becks, he has his faults, namely his utter lack of range.
The fact that they both played on the biggest teams in their respective leagues (yes ManU wasn’t always the biggest, but it certainly became such during Becks’ years there), as well as having sex appeal that allowed them to ascend to even higher levels of fame combined with the fact that they dated hot, famous celebs led them to being overhyped beyond their abilities. In the eyes of less informed fans, they were viewed as among the best in the game and among the best all time, yet those who followed the sport more closely knew that they were merely just very good. Throw in the fact that there hasn’t been the slightest mention of Jeter with steroids, the fact that he has a flair for the dramatic, and the fact that “plays the game the right way” and you see why the media love slurping him which has increased the backlash against him. I think it’s gotten to the point, for both Beck’s and Jeter, that the backlash against them has led them to being slightly underrated by some (but obvs still being vastly overrated by many).
September 11th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Jeter is a bad defensive shortstop – the Gold Gloves he won recently are not supported by any statistical evidence or from watching Jeter play. What Jeter – who is unarguably a great offensive shortstop – gains from are a handful of memorable plays (diving into the stands, relaying the throw to tag out Giambi) and the fact he plays in NYC. If Jeter had come up and spent his career in Seattle and produce at a similar rate, I doubt many people would be as fawning of him as it seems they are. In fact, there is a whole cottage industry built up around defending/attacking Jeter. The fact that Jeter’s team won a lot of games is not due to Jeter alone, but he will garner the most attention and beatification from the recent Yankee run (Mariano Rivera was more important to that dynasty, by the way).
All I know – Jeter has a most impressive resume of girlfriends and lady acquaintances.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Oh, and the chat was not at Baseball Think Factory, but done at Foxsports. The post is merely linking to the BTF (you may remember it as Baseball Primer back in the day, excepting Intern Bill, I’d wager).
September 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Agreed Chips, plus the fact that Joltin’ Joe played in a time with fewer games and when offensive numbers were suppressed more than they currently are. They have the same 162 game average for hits even though Joe was hitting in tougher times.
Comparing him to Babe Ruth is ust dumb because Ruth has 1041 more walks as a Yankee than Jeter (and Mantle has 900+ more for what it’s worth)
September 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Rob Dibble makes my head hurt with his dumb-ness. You know who else has accumulated a lot of hits over the past decade? Juan Freaking Pierre. He has also been a bad outfielder and almost always is very poor at getting on base. Oh, and don’t forget that while he is constantly amongst the league leaders in hits he is also always right there in outs created. Dibble, you are truly a jackass.
September 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Quick, who led the American League in hitting in 1953?
/hoping somebody else has seen Spies Like Us
September 11th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Jeter is so overrated and overhyped that he has a chance to break Rose’s hit record and has won 4 titles and made the playoffs every yr.
Yea, hes so overrated.
September 11th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
and he did it all by himself.
September 11th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Rob Dibble thinks O’Doyle rules.