On ESPN, Society, and the Double Standard on Adolf Hitler References
ESPN, Media Gossip/Musings October 20th. 2008, 12:15pm
If you were in a drunken slumber all weekend, you may have missed this: ESPN’s Lou Holtz made the unwise decision to invoke a Hitler comparison (seen here first) Friday night while talking about the first-year struggles of Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez. We’re not here to judge whether or not ESPN should reverse course and suspend/punish the old codger the way it did ESPN.com writer Jemele Hill when she dropped the H-bomb earlier this year. That’s obvious, of course it should.
What’s really confounding is the fan reaction. Or rather, the lack thereof. Remember how unruly Boston fans were so worked up and angered by Hill’s words that they called radio stations to vent about it, and then posted Hill’s phone number on the internet? One could argue that the mob mentality against Hill is the reason ESPN reacted with a suspension.
How come nobody’s giving the same treatment to Holtz?
Let us guess, you’re going to say it’s different - Holtz screwed up on live TV, and talking heads get a break because of the immediacy of TV (tell that to ESPN’s Shaun King, who was suspended from the Arena League Championship after using the word “wife beater” to describe an undershirt; Sportscenter’s Stan Verrett was not); Hill talked about “fans,” whereas Holtz directed his comment at a coach; it took place on a Friday night, which is a graveyard for viewers (and amazingly, there’s still no video); and of course, Holtz is a 71-year-old man, so even if he was born in West Virgina (where Rich Rod used to coach) and he became a legend at Notre Dame (which hates Michigan), show the man some sympathy!
Excuses, excuses. We have no stake in this race. We’ve poked fun at Holtz a couple times, and gently prodded Hill. It’s the double standard for Hitler references that is most disturbing. Maybe you can help us: Why was everyone so outraged when a black woman invoked Hitler’s name, but nobody was outraged when a white man did?
Lou Holtz Compares Rich Rodriguez to Hitler While Discussing Leadership (Michigan Sports Center)
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October 20th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
He is a senile. Compared to his analysis this is on the low end of gibberish to come out of his mouth.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
I never could understand what Lou Holtz says.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
The fact that Holtz has about 50 years of public speaking with no major gaffes helps his case.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Holtz is a mumbling, retired coach that has no business speaking on television. Hill is a long time journalist that has been in the middle of a few shit storms. I could care less that either used hitler as a reference, just shows how stupid both are. I don’t think Hill should have been suspended and neither should Holtz.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
That’s our word, you can’t use it.
/white people
October 20th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
black people are allowed to use the n word and white people are allowed to talk about hitler, i believe vatican II decided that
October 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
“Why was everyone so outraged when a black woman invoked Hitler’s name, but nobody was outraged when a white man did?”
No clue. Several scholarly professors are vigorously researching the different applications off Godwin’s Law and the subsequent results thereof.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Because Hill implictly trivialized WWII and Hitler’s world impact by equating rooting for a basketball team to rooting for the extermination of millions of people.
Holtz, while ill advised, didn’t put abything in that sort of pick a side rhetoric.
Oh and more people like the Celtics than RichRod right about now.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Hitler is an historical figure - who cares if either mentioned his name? Are we just supposed to imagine he never existed? Should Spielberg and Lucus go and edit out the scene in “The Last Crusade” when Hitler gave Indiana Jones his autograph…
Wait, don’t give the two of them any more ideas.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
ESPN’s Lou Holtz made the unwise decision to invoke a Hitler comparison (seen here first) Friday night while talking about the first-year struggles of Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez.
Dear lord. Michigan is really that bad huh.
Lou Holtz>Don Vitto.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Yeah. Why else would there be a Hitler Week on the History Channel.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Should Spielberg and Lucus go and edit out the scene in “The Last Crusade†when Hitler gave Indiana Jones his autograph…
NO but they should stop raping Indiana Jones.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
michigan sucks…ann arbor swallows.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Shaun King got suspended for describing a shirt as a “wifebeater”? That’s hilarious. No post on that?
Doesnt help your double standard argument though - Verrett isnt white, is he?
October 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
How about the fact that everybody hates Michigan…and Lou is a cranky old bastard. Americans love cranky old bastards.
Spencer - OSU will also suck and swallow.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
It’s a double-standard, though I think it became such a big deal with Hill because of her history of writing about race. They both should have known better, but she REALLY should have known better.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Boston is better at whining about it than Michigan was, and ESPN worships all things Boston.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
I’m not sure how Lou Holtz is even equating Rich Rodriguez to Hitler. Everybody knows that Hitler was good in the beginning but he just went too far. Rich is sucking right from the start.
/Marge Schott’d
October 20th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
wouldn’t a better historical equation for Rich Rod be the titanic? you know…big expecations…sinking for assorted reasons…all that goodness.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
What I really want to know is if people (and the media) would get so bent out of shape over a Hitler reference in sports if Janet Jackson wouldn’t have exposed her boob during the Super Bowl.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I’ll tell you what bends me out of shape, people bitching about seeing a boob. That baffled me. Who cares? I mean really? We all know it’s there.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
you see plenty of folks around here in wife beaters. i can’t believe they suspended king for that.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
didn’t even hear about it until this post.
TBL - your statement about it being said on a friday is probably the biggest reason this is not getting the coverage you want it to.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Perhaps, but no way does Titanic lose to a MAC school at home.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Billy, it was an exposed breast that lasted for 3 seconds tops, and most of the people who saw it weren’t even sure if they were really seeing an expose breast! You would think they just showed Oprah giving oral to the president with the way everyone carried on!
October 20th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I want to bang Janet Jackson.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
why don’t they show breasts on TV anyways? they’ll have a shirtless dude and not care, but a topless chick? what’s wrong with taht? everyone loves some boobies.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
You got that right sportsgal. It was cutting to commercial. I didn’t even mention it to my buddies cuz I didn’t think I just saw what I had in fact seen. Although, the thought Oprah was giving oral to the retard, albeit hilarious, just made me vomit in my mouth a little bit. Ugh.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Sorry for the Oprah BJ reference so close to lunch time.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Why was everyone so outraged when a black woman invoked Hitler’s name, but nobody was outraged when a white man did?
There are a lot of factors, and you’re lying to yourself if you think race isn’t one of them. Hill is young, black, liberal, and outspoken. And the folks who call into local sports radio shows in Boston ARE NOT the kind of folks who share those traits.
Holtz is an old man, and he’s kind of a punch line to a joke at this point. That’s a factor. He also said it on a Friday night. No one was watching, and weekends are not a time for a buzz to begin.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Exactly spence, who doesn’t love boobs? I know I do. Speaking of which, The Tuxedo is a terrible movie, but Jennifer Love Hewitt looks fantastic the whole way though. Nice set. When she looks good, she looks great.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I want to bang Michael Jackson.
October 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Touch her boob? That’s assualt brotha
October 20th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Do you double dog dare me?
October 20th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
mama-You forgot the /Billy Madison’d
October 20th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that not as many people know about Lou Holtz’s reference. I didn’t until like two minutes ago.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Lou Holtz sucks. He should be fired for this comment
October 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
This comment could just be used as cause. I don’t think this solitary comment should result in his firing, just his incredible stupidy and inability to form coherent sentences…and speak in English.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Lou Holtz sucks. He should be fired for this comment
come on. those pregame speeches he gives are pretty sweet. and that lisp, how isn’t that lisp worth it alone? it brightens my day so wonderfully.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Irsh, gotta disagree. People should never be fired for offensive remarks, unless they use words that the FCC don’t allow or they affect the company’s bottom line. There’s no right in this country for people not to be offended.
October 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
@cursed- How is Holtz any different than Jemele hill? I at least think ESPN should apologize they did for Hill. I dont know if they have
October 20th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Irish, could point..it’s not that drastically different. I was upset about that as well when it happened. It should absoultely be ok to reference Hitler - as another poster here said, we can’t ignore or trivilaize his impact.
I still don’t understand why Hill used that as her reference, which was also my complaint at the time. That had be scratching my head..but for people to get upset about that is ridiculous.
Maybe we have progressed a little. When Kramer went on his rant, most African American I knew weren’t offended..they actually laughed at what a fool he made of himself. We have to stop giving power to words that don’t deserve it .. The “N word” is now a working euphamism for the other word.. And is now being given power as a phrase (some groups have come out againsat the term “N word”.. EMBARRASSING.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@cursed- this is probably the comment above that you agreed with
Hitler is an historical figure - who cares if either mentioned his name? Are we just supposed to imagine he never existed? Should Spielberg and Lucus go and edit out the scene in “The Last Crusade†when Hitler gave Indiana Jones his autograph…
Wait, don’t give the two of them any more ideas
horrible. Did George Lucas compare someone to Hitler? nope
Lou holtz compared Rich Rodriguez to Hitler. see the difference?
i dont know why i keep commenting on this. I really dont care. It would be nice to see holtz fired though
October 20th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Gotta watch what you say on tv.. i found that out the hard way last week!
October 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
ESPN has managed to turn me off of its coverage of college football, courtesy of the derived tension between May and Holtz. Neither one is fit for the studio.
May is inept at his job, which is to discuss college football in an expert fashion based on factual information, usually gained during the week prior by talking to coaches and players and other notable experts. May does none of that.
Holtz is worse because he should be able to talk about football on his achievements alone. However, his senility (and lithp) takes away any credibility he once had. The Hitler comment is just one of many this year that proves he has no business on live television of any sort.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
I think his Pep talks were.. and his Dr. Lou segments are.. entertaining segments. It’s different, which is hard to get these days on TV. I have no problem how the man talks, seems like an easy excuse for crticism though. He’s nowhere near as senile as you guys are making him out to be. You’ll have to trust me on that..
October 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
@cursed- look at you. Was that your ex girlfriend or something that left you that?
October 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
She did sound kinda hot didn’t she? That’s how you know she wasn’t my gf.
October 20th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Isn’t this the second time in a week that Lou Holtz has done some extra bad on live TV and had to apologize?
It was Hitler last FRiday. A week ago he was bitching at Rece Davis about Colt McCoy. The cameras were still rolling and Holtz dropped “hell” and “damn” a few times. He apologized the next day.
I understand the random slip up, but c’mon, this guy needs to be disciplined.
October 20th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
+1 to TampBo for the South Park reference.
-1 to Sportsgal for the Oprah/oral… ugh.
Holtz can get away with it because he is more popular than Jemele Hill. And he’s old enough to have went to school with Adolf. Besides, who here hasn’t compared a Big 10 football game to the holocaust?
October 20th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Here is a thorough account of The Media Hit Job on Jemele Hill:
October 21st, 2008 at 7:20 am
Talk about a tempest in a teapot. It was a throwaway remark meant to make a point. A leader is supposed to motivate and encourage his supporters, leading them in a common direction. Based on that definition, Hitler was a great leader. A great EVIL leader, yes, but a great leader nonetheless.
My question is, if I shouldn’t make Hitler references, what historical figures can I use? Are Attila the Hun references bad? How about Stalin? Mussolini … he made the trains run on time … is he OK? Jimmy Carter? Henry the VIII? Which ones?
October 21st, 2008 at 7:42 am
Piston - that’s not really the issue. the issue is that the public reacted one way to a Hitler remark … and then another way to another media member who made a hitler remark.
and then, of course, ESPN’s inconsistent stance on the issue, which is laughable.