Game Five Suspended, Advantage Rays
Baseball October 28th. 2008, 10:00am
Well, this discussion should be interesting: Did MLB commish Bud Selig further taint his stained legacy by suspending the first World Series game in baseball history?
One vote for yes (along with the laughable news that the World Series starts next year on October 27). Another vote for yes. And a vote for no! Here’s what everyone can agree on: “Baseball is unsalvageable.”
Tough for us to drill Bud on the call – his rumpled press conference appearance, though, is fair game – especially when he knows that another night of baseball is good for the few fans who are paying attention, and of course, the sport’s pockets. (After peeking at doppler though, that night could actually be Wednesday, which might be a good thing on the ratings’ front, since the NBA season begins).
Hate to get into what-if scenarios, but … what if the Rays hadn’t scored? What if the Rays took the lead? Basically, Selig got lucky. BJ Upton saved the game, the series, and probably millions for FOX and MLB with a steal of second, and then hustle to beat the throw home on Carlos Pena’s single.) The losers in this are clearly the Phillies.
The city was buzzing with the anticipation of celebrating its first major championship in 25 years … and it is ruined by rain. The Phillies have their best pitcher in the series-clincher … and now it seems unlikely we’ll see him again, unless maybe he’s forced into Game Seven action on three days’ rest, assuming rain prevents the teams from playing tonight. Some folks try to say momentum doesn’t apply to baseball, but try telling that to the Phillies’ bats, which found a groove late Saturday and didn’t stop until the rain began last night.
Umpires in Spotlight for the Wrong Reasons (NY Times)
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October 28th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Some folks try to say momentum doesn’t apply to baseball
Who says that? The Colorado Rockies?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:04 am
To whom? Non-baseball fans? Sure, ok. To those of us that love baseball that is complete bullshit and you only perpetuate that sentiment by continually addressing it in your “blog site”
October 28th, 2008 at 10:04 am
selig is the worst commissioner in the history of organized professional sport.
this cannot be debated.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Did he really have a choice? When Upton slid into second it looked like he was on a slip and slide. I don’t like Selig, but I think it was the right call and probably should have been made earlier.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Did MLB commish Bud Selig further taint his stained legacy by suspending the first World Series game in baseball history?
Taint Stains are pretty gross especially when Bud Selig is involved.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am
What else could he do?
The real mess would have been if it stayed 2-1. But it didn’t. So I guess I don’t understand what the problem is.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Spence, Gary Bettman? It’s close.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
yes…this game should’ve been postponed from the start.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
did you read the link?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Spence – worse than Finchem or Bettman?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Oh – and don’t forget Isiah’s stint in the ABL. His leadership led to the actual bankruptcy/dissolution of the league. Selig hasn’t accomplished that yet.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am
@TBL
Yes, so the game can’t be played in the rain? Who gives a shit man? So they had to potpone a game… I am actually suprised it has never happened before.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am
hockey was already dying and never considered the primary sport in america.
baseball, when selig took over, was un-fuck-up-able…and selig fucked it up.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Do the fans who paid to watch last night’s game get in free tonight? Fox is essentially getting double recovery, wonder if the teams are too.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Not sure what other choice could have been made. MAYBE the game shouldn’t have started. Of course, it hadn’t started raining yet. If the rain never materialized, Selig would look like a dope.
Upton and Pena definitely bailed them out. I was rooting for the Rays to score just so this could happen. It got them out of a mess. It would have been better if it had started pouring in the 3rd so that they could have just called it off until tomorrow.
This is most definitely not on the commissioner. He might not be the brightest bulb in the bank, but this one is not on him. Bettman is worse, by a LONNNNNG shot.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:13 am
only in philly could this happen
October 28th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Roeth…tim finchem is pretty bad too. actually…no, selig is still worse, but finchem is pretty close.
finchem actually managed to alienate golf’s core audience while aleinating a possible audience at the same time…that’s pretty impressive.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Aren’t all sports niche sports in a way? Don’t kill me, but I hate NFL games. I haven’t watched a full one in years (unless I am at the game). So what does that mean? Doe sthe mean the game is dying? No. It just means some people don’t like it. Just as is the case with all sports. I don’t get the “ratings are down so the sport is dead” argument. It does not make any sense.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Passan is an assbag. He’s claiming it’s a disaster because of a rainout and cowbells/mohawks. If he doesn’t like the fact that rain is somewhat unpredictable and makes conditions unplayable and that Rays fans have cowbells and mohawks he can feel free to go fuck himself.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:16 am
People, stop saying they wouldve been in trouble if the Rays hadn’t tied it up. They wouldn’t. They had decided beforehand that the full 9 innings would be played no matter what. They could’ve suspended the game after 5 innings at 2-1 and they still could have resumed tonight. Why they played the top of the 6th I have no idea.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:16 am
mags…i kind of hear you, but seeing as my 2nd favorite sport is golf and im watching it in it’s death throes that result from poor ratings, the ratings thing makes perfect sense to me.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Cracker jack – they didnt tell anyone in the media or the fans
October 28th, 2008 at 10:19 am
You have a whole network for golf! It is called the golf channel… I seriously don’t get the argument. If you like a sport you will still like it even if others don’t. Basbeall might contract, it might not be on NBC or ABC, but that does not mean it is dead or dying. It just means it is being directed at its core audience just as everything else is.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Ben60657 +1
October 28th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Yeah that was the messed up part. Maddon didn’t even tell his players, they were playing that 6th inning afraid that if they didn’t tie it they would lose. I dont understand why they didn’t tell the rest of us what the circumstances this game would be played under.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Free Taco, 2-6 pm today
October 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am
it means you’re a disenfranchised Lions fan.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I didn’t really believe though that they would just call it and that would be it..Since BJ stole last night does that mean another day of tacos?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Thanks for the reminder Irish
October 28th, 2008 at 10:24 am
and where are said free tacos located?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am
the bell of the taco persuasion
October 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am
no it’s not.
hockey was never as popular as baseball once was prior to selig taking the reigns.
just a brief rundown of selig’s achievments:
1) canceled a world series.
2) interleague play.
3) calls an all-star game a tie.
4) has an exhibition game decide home field advantage for the world series.
5) getting slapped with racketeering charges for his debacle with the expos (settled out of court).
6) turning a blind eye to steroids.
7) refusing to allow weekend world series games to start at a respectable hour.
just to name a few.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:26 am
1989 thinks 2008 is a pussy
October 28th, 2008 at 10:28 am
the last year or so the nfl as a whole has become dreadful to watch.
when that pittsburgh-new york game played sunday is considered “great,” it just shows how low the nfl has sunk.
sure, more people are going to baseball games then ever before and the sport is otherwise healthy. but i believe this is in spite of selig, not because of him.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am
how do you settle racketerring charges out of court? Is Selig John Gotti?
October 28th, 2008 at 10:30 am
jimmy…agreed. college football is a much more entertaining, though, when the NFL has great games, like the super bowl last year, shit, it’s tough to beat.
then again, i subject myself to torture every sunday watching the browns.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am
He’s awful, no doubt. The thing that irks me the most (besides ‘94) is the fact that baseball takes so much shit when one guy MAY have taken steroids, but when 8 guys in the NFL test positive, it gets a 5-second blurb on ESPN. Selig gets an unfair shake in that game in my book. Though it’s still his fault for the steroid problem in the first place.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I agree that seems like what the plan was. But I’m pretty sure that the players didn’t know. Every player that was asked about this knew nothing. And watching Hamels throw over to 1st 4 straight times and step off the mound when Upton was at 2nd made me think he was trying to stall enough to get a delay that probably would turn into a rain-shortened win.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am
i know what you mean. i too think college football is significantly more entertaining. and once in a while you do stumble onto a “great” nfl game that is truly a fantastic thing to watch.
last year i almost came to the conclusion that i wasn’t going to re-up my nfl sunday ticket. i did. this year i’m starting to think the same thing.
alas, come next september, i’ll be watching an out of market game on my directv just like the pawn i am.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Wasn’t attendance up at almost every park this year? I thought I heard that, but don’t have the time to research. If so, that certainly seems salvageable.
What would help is shortening the season by say 15 games so the playoffs don’t go so late. But good luck getting that by the owners who are used to 162 games of revenue.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am
Roethlishotdog, Issiah is offended you can’t keep his story straight. What is this ABL of which you speak? I think you mean the CBA. Now was that before or after his stint with the Raptors? I know it was well before his gig with the Pacers and Knicks.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am
It would have been unconscionable for the game to end at 2-1 after the 5th, and now it seems that it never would have happened that way… so why do the Rays get an at bat when there is no prayer of a pitcher throwing anything but fastballs? McDuche said last night “wet bats dry balls – advantage pitcher” that’s BS. Nothing was dry. Can’t throw a breaking ball or a curve ball, and fielders are at a clear disadvantage on anything but a line drive right at them – it is absolutely advantage batters.
Props to Upton for stealing under terrible conditions and to Pena for being clutch, can’t take anything away from the Rays. But it is absolute BS the way this was handled. And the Phillies clearly got the short end.
I don’t buy in to curse, or poor us (comes from moving out of Philly very young, I suppose) – but while I agree that suspending the game was the right thing to do, I give no pass to MLB or Fox or anyone for the way it was handled.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am
TBL just surpassed MikeNYC as my favorite reactionary.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am
what would truly help would be starting the games earlier, say, mid march, with northern teams travelling south or to domed teams to play in acceptable weather.
then the WS would start in early october, like it did in the past, and weather would be much less an issue.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:40 am
that’s a no-brainer yet selig would come up with some whacked out reason not to.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Bring back double headers
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not a porn joke
October 28th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Jax I was thinking the same thing watching it last night..Sure, Rick, sure..
October 28th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Thanks for the shout-out, Hef!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:45 am
what would truly help would be starting the games earlier, say, mid march, with northern teams travelling south or to domed teams to play in acceptable weather.
then the WS would start in early october, like it did in the past, and weather would be much less an issue.
So northern teams would go on a two week road trip to start the year? Not likely.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:46 am
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October 28th, 2008 at 10:46 am
i was watching MNF last night and i heard them say the game was officially postponed and i had no idea they even started the game. i thought it was postponed from the start. still don’t really care who wins/loses…
October 28th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I would have liked to seen the awkward, anticlimactic reaction of a “called game, World Series Victory” celebration though, especially in Philly.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:47 am
is there that big a difference between a 2 week road trip then and a 2 week road trip in mid july? if anything, the warm weather would be welcomed rather than playing in freezing rain.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Just kidding, Mike. You’ll always be my fave.
/terrorist fist bump!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am
i wish the “called game, World Series Victory” actually happened. it’d just be a great wait to taint their title.
/ha i said taint.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:52 am
I’m not proud….I’d take it.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Bsanders-”Sarah Palin wants to own your Womb”.WOW.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I’m not proud….I’d take it.
sadly, as a clevelander i would do the same if it happened to the indians. its better another 50 years of not getting it done.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:59 am
I don’t understand how the douchewad on Yahoo can call the WS “unsalvageable” because this happened. What would he be saying if the game had ended 2-1 after 5 1/2 innings?!
October 28th, 2008 at 11:04 am
so the players in chicago, minnesota (new outdoor stadium), detroit and cleveland would rather play with flurries falling than in miami, st. petersburg, san diego, los angeles et al?
or st. louis, washington, baltimore or cincinnati where it might be in the 50s?
they have to play on the road at some point, better to start the season on the road with moderate weather than start at home where it’s frigid and then later in july when they roast in places like st. louis, miami, washington.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:07 am
clearly the need to make next years game 4 mean something…
I’d like to hope they would realize making the games even 30 minutes earlier, say 8 pm game time instead of 8pm Jeanne Zelasko time, 8:30 game time, not as many people would bitch about the lateness of games.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Ha Hef. You crack me up.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:10 am
so the players in chicago, minnesota (new outdoor stadium), detroit and cleveland would rather play with flurries falling than in miami, st. petersburg, san diego, los angeles et al?
or st. louis, washington, baltimore or cincinnati where it might be in the 50s?
they have to play on the road at some point, better to start the season on the road with moderate weather than start at home where it’s frigid and then later in july when they roast in places like st. louis, miami, washington.
I don’t think they would rather play in the cold. In fact I agree that they would rather play in mild weather. But, in large part, players don’t perform as well on the road. The reason for that may simply be that players are more comfortable at home or more familiar with the park. I just don’t think players would line up to start the season on the road for what could be a two-week slump, no matter how nice the weather was during those two weeks.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:12 am
i don’t get passan’s column. what was baseball to do? force philly to build a dome? play the world series on a neutral site in, say, san diego?
just reading between the lines, it seems passan is just bitter that he had to travel to st. petersburg and philly instead of chicago and boston so every game could have been played under idyllic 75 degree sunny skies and been 4-3 games and he still would have been pissed.
i mean, if the postseason started two weeks earlier, how does he know a weather pattern would not have hit philly like this? he doesn’t. no one does.
when passan figures out how to control the weather, he can make a helluva lot more cash and never have to worry about rain in philly or cowbells in st. petersburg the rest of his life.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:12 am
@Jimmy,
You make a good point, didn’t they do this a couple years ago when snow cancelled a bunch of games, they moved them south and into domes?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Some of us will always watch the World Series. More people would rather watch a meaningless MNF game. This WS isn’t going to change either groups of people.
If TB had not scored, I believe they would have kept playing. If they had taken the lead, it probably still would have been stopped where it was.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Wow. Jay Mariotti either changed his name to Jeff Passan or Passan is the biggest idiot alive. Wow. Talk about crap… seriously, what was baseball supposed to do? Make it not rain? I really don’t get it. Meanwhile, the NFL has players ‘rioding it up, getting people shot, and assaulting women… but it’s cool. Oh and then there is Brett Meyers in this WS… but no, let’s bitch about the weather. Sport journalists are stupid.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Oh and to the anti-Bud crowd, baseball was the #2 sport when he took charge with the NBA fast on baseball’s heels. Now baseball is the clear #2 sport in this country.
I can’t believe Bug is getting blamed for it raining.
If anyone is to blamed for the game to be played it’s FOX. They made the call there even if no one will admit it.