So Brady Quinn Slays the Broncos, Right?
NFL November 4th. 2008, 12:00pm
Unseen, Monday in Cleveland: Sometime after Romeo reversed course and notified Brady Quinn that he’d be the starter against Denver, the former Notre Dame QB sought out Braylon Edwards and silently nodded his head and mouthed “thank you.”
Two fourth-quarter drops by Edwards – one seemed like a certain TD – led to Derek Anderson forcing a bad pass under duress that turned into a pick six, sealing Cleveland’s loss to Baltimore and vaulting the second-year pro Quinn into the starting job. It’s been a mystifying season for Edwards, who leads the NFL with 13 dropped passes. (Unrelated: Is this his girlfriend?) Tough year for Michigan. Tough year for the Michigan grad. But in an ironic, unintentional twist, a Michigan guy helped a Notre Dame guy get a job, which is something Dana Jacobson could probably do to get in the good graces of Charlie Weis.
Did Anderson get shafted? Well, he had recently beaten the defending Super Bowl champs and he won at Jacksonville, but the Quinn fans will say that Eli lost the game for the Giants, and the Browns survived the Jags because Matt Jones couldn’t haul in a TD pass with less than 10 seconds left. What’s undeniable is Anderson’s completion percentage, which is a laughable 49 percent, otherwise known as “JaMarcus Russell territory.” JT O’Sullivan is having a better season. So is rookie Joe Flacco. And Kerry Collins. And Gus Frerotte.
Gosh we hope Brady Quinn outplays the overrated Jay Cutler this week. That would be fantastic. A solid 20-for-30 for 275 yards and two picks TDs and no interceptions would totally make our weekend. Here’s hoping Cutler has as good of a game as he did at home against Miami (ha) or Eli had in the Dawg Pound.
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November 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
no comment
November 4th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Anderson is 30th in the NFL in passer rating. Add back 10 completions from drops (maybe 1 or 2 TD) might move him to 29th.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Two picks AND no interceptions would certainly be an accomplishment.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Happens all the time actually. Those losers don’t even know simple math.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
isn’t a pick an interception?
November 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Well, maybe now we can see why this douchebag has more commercial endorsements than every quarterback in the NFC South combined.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
like it even matters, but i wouldve benched DA after the redskins game. but since he wasn’t, i don’t think this is the right time to bring in quinn…i would’ve waited until after the buffalo game.
my team is beginning to look like a mess…savage can draft well, but whoever the president is needs to get their shit together.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Wow to picks an no interceptions. Quinn truly is the golden child.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
“Now I’m Done”
/myoplex’d
November 4th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Where are these “ratings” coming from?
November 4th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Garcia = too freckly, balding
Brees = birthmark
Delhomme = talks funny
Ryan = dumb nickname
November 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
To picks or not to picks, that is the question.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
I’ve seen Brees on an ESPN commercial. Del… no… Garci… noooo. ummm Vick? yes, Mkie Vick used to have PLENTY of commercials! What ever happpened to that guy.
/unabashed Falcons hater since 1987
November 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Same place he got the info for this post
November 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
what is Matt Ryan’s nickname?
November 4th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Matty Ice
November 4th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Matty Ice sounds like a cheap beer for gay people …
/nttawwt
November 4th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Braylon went to Penn ST.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
i have to agree with spence. the timing of this move seems like a knee jerk reaction to the fans desire BQ. and i am really starting to lose confidence in the organization as a whole, too much dysfunction out of a seemingly solid franchise on the rise at the end of the year last year.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
you mean to tell me after the 3-0 start the ‘pundits’ weren’t proclaiming cutler a top 10 QB?
November 4th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
This has got to be the worst football season of Spence’s life. Honestly. tOSU, Derek Anderson’s return to nobody-ness. And now the inevitable letdown that is Brady Quinn.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
the overrated Jay Cutler
FAIL. The kid can’t do it all on his own, and I think his finger is still busted-up from hitting a defenders helmet earlier in the year.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
I remember hearing and reading a whole lot about Cutler and Rivers being the future of the league… people jumped all over Brady being out and Peyton being not himself and were looking to annoint the next golden boy.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
hardly. there’s nothing as bad as having your team ripped away from you. it really makes you appreciate having any football at all.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
and he still is a top 10 QB. all that means is he’s better than 1/3 of the QB’s in the league, which he most certainly is.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Brees
November 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
He’s Top 10 currently and will be Top 3 in a few years. He’s only 25, remember.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
ding, ding ding
a few years, maybe. but the way he’s played this season, i dont know that he’s top 10. big ben, campbell, rodgers, brees, romo, warner, rivers, pennington, eli, mcnabb, orton … all of those guys have a) a better QB rating, and b) (almost all) have a better completion %.
and i didnt even include peyton. again, that’s only through half the season.
November 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Orton!
November 4th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Aaron Rodgers?
November 4th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I would even put Trent Edwards on that list TBL.. most underrated QB in the league.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
big ben, brees, warner and eli you can have. campbell hasn’t been spectacular…getting stats, but no TD’s. mcnabb has been equally up and down as cutler. orton is meh. and romo hasn’t played in 2 weeks so how can he be on there at all?
and don’t use QB rating that statistic is terribly, terribly skewed.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
im joking. I think rodgers is good.
most underrated QB in the league
Edwards has been playing like crap lately. give him another year
November 4th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Eli belongs nowhere on that list.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Cutler’s stats are very comparable to Cassel’s.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
irish: Agreed on Edwards. He was the most underrated QB in the league until 2 weeks ago. Now, not so much. He (the whole team, actually) need a redemption game in Foxboro, which is usually a house of horrors for them lately
November 4th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
big ben QB rating = 79.6, compl. 57.6%, 10 td’s and 8 ints, sacked 26 times.
Cutler QB rating = 86.9, compl. 62.3%, 15 td’s and 10 ints, sacked 5 times
Try again TBL
November 4th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
NFL: And Then There Were Four
NFL TheBigLead September 29th. 2008, 8:45am
Kansas City 33, Denver 19: Jay “Top Five QB†Cutler looked shaky against the 24th-ranked D in the league (only 29-of-49, two ints), and the fraudulent Broncos defense gave up 198 yards on the ground to Larry Johnson.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Mike et al – I’m not saying Cutler is BETTEr than all those players. BUT, TO DATE THIS SEASON, all those players are having a better season than him. And most of those guys have nobody NEAR the caliber of B Marshall.
Eli is mikstake prone, and yeah, the defense has been sick … but you are aware that Cutler is 3rd in NFL with 10 picks, right? That’d double the # Eli has thrown.
Statistically, Cutler has had a bad half season of football.
i just dont see how you can say otherwise.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
look at how progressively worse his stats have gotten this season.
Mike, i know you love cutler, and the scouts do to, and maybe next year he throws for 40 TDs and 4500 yards.
but he’s been average or below average this season
November 4th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
62.3%/7.2/15 TD/10 INT/5 sacks
61.2%/6.9/12 TD/5 INT/10 sacks
Add that Eli has the best offensive line AND best running game in the NFL, and has a stud WR of his own … well, Cutler >>>>> Eli.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
i will gladly yank big ben. my error. i will say, though, that you can’t count “sacks” against him, but rather the o-line. cutler having a better season than Big ben, no doubt.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
The only stat he’s struggling with is interceptions. Every other statistic has him in the top half of the league, if not top 5.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Oh, and the Giants have a Top 5 defense while DEN has a Bottom 5 defense.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
fixed…but eli’s OL and running game are both top 5.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Orton > Cutler
November 4th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
ORTON!!
November 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
SG-High Five!
November 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Anyone who has watched the Steelers can easily blame Ben for a lot of those sacks. He completely freezes in the pocket.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
i dont love eli. if you want to give cutler the nod, i dont have a massive problem with it. eli has played error-free football though (except cleveland), which gives his team a chance to win.
but go ahead and yank Eli, and i’ll add trent edwards. bad game against hte jets, and who knows, he could fall into an abyss the next two weeks …
November 4th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Culpepper > Cutler
November 4th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
And a chest bump, Tampa!
November 4th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
that’s horse-shit.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
And most of those guys have nobody NEAR the caliber of B Marshall
Warner: Fitzgerald, Boldin
November 4th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
qb rating?
ints?
completion percentage?
he’s top 10 in one of those, that’s for sure.
again, im not saying cutler is shit … but at this point in his career, im not sold. why is he making so many bad decisions? he’s had a poor first half of the season.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
you don’t count sacks but you count these two WORTHLESS stats? come on, TBL.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
He’s 4th in yards, and 3rd in TD’s. But we’ll leave those off. For the sake of your argument.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
spencer – how are sacks an indictment totally against the QB? ints are meaninless? QB rating is worthless? please, spence, tell me what QB stats matter. i’ll hang up and listen.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Every QB stat is somewhat dependant on other players. You can’t leave out some and not the others.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
the most important stat for a QB is wins! you can look at big ben’s stats all day and say they are down this year. the point is that he’s taking a shaky offensive line to a 6-2 mark. some QB’s just find ways to win…or ways to not lose…
November 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Players who have a better career QB rating than John Elway:
Culpepper, Pennington, Garcia, Bulger, Garrard, Delhomme, Brunell, B. Griese, B. Johnson, D. Huard, Leftwich.
Okay, I lied. Leftwich is .1 points behind Elway.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
/ Vince Young’d
November 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I only look at a QB’s VORP, personally.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
i’ve made my argument. statistically, i dont think he’s been among the 10 best QBs in the league in the first half of the season. it is subjective, as are all these disagreements.
too many errors (picks), poor QB rating, and low completion percentage. has fallen off significantly from two good games to start the season. the broncos were 3-0 and are now 4-4 with 4 losses to KC, Jax, Miami and NE. how many of those teams have a winning record?
for the sake of argument, here are the defensive ranks of those teams (vs the pass): 26, 21, 22, 17. in the four losses, he has 6 TDs and 8 ints.
against below average defenses. i know he misses Scheffler … and now i await your counter argument.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
exactly…those stats do not matter. what matters is that he won when it counted..
November 4th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
And against the #6 pass defense (Bucs), he was 23/34, 227 yards and a TD. Pretty good line.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
TBL, your discussion points are valid, but as the owner/operator of the site, you should probably cut back on the smart ass, quasi-sanctimonious tone with which you’ve ended your last couple of posts.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
In all the Superbowls he lost before Terrell Davis got there, you mean? Those didn’t count?
November 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
very good game vs the Bucs. and his best two games (saints, chargers) came against two of the worst pass defenses in the NFL.
Ben – no sanctimonious tone at all. i like engaging in this subjective debates that are simply back and forth opinions. that’s all. there is no ‘right answer.’ speaking of … how come you always chime in with only negative comments? what’s up with that? i can’t remember the last positive or non-judgmental comment i’ve seen from you.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Typically, it’s because I’ve been very sporadic with my appearances and my point is usually made my some of the regulars.
That said, I think this particular argument is very difficult to make one way or the other because I think that both sides are very close. Those that claim he’s top 10 are probably trying to sneak him into the 7-10 range and those that think he’s not top 10 would probably agree he’s top 15. It’s not a very wide window and there are statistics that support both sides, neither conclusively.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
To expound on the first part, I’m not the first person who has noticed a change around here in the last month or two (unsure as to exact time) and my snarky comments are quick hit ’suggestions’ and nothing more.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
2 Superbowls with T. Davis >>>>>> Zero Superbowls in the state of Ohio
November 4th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
no..just the two that he won.. O, and ‘the drive’ in 1987 against the great bernie kosar..that was a great game
November 4th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
..seems like someone is a little bitter about those back to back AFC championship games
November 4th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
nice ending…
but sacks are the QB’s fault twofold…if a lineman gets beat physically, that’s one thing and it’s pretty rare considering the best pass rushers beat their man 8-10x over the course of the season, but it’s the QB’s job to call out protection schemes and notice where the pressure is likely to come from. second, it’s on him to get rid of the ball in time…look at peyton and brady, they never get sacked, they also never have the ball in their hands longer than 3 seconds.
take david garrard for example…he threw a handful of passes deep (20+ yards) last year…and that’s being generous. he had no int’s because he didn’t move the ball downfield, he had a high number of TD’s because of a strong running game and didn’t have that many attempts. of course he’s going to have a higher rating than someone like kurt warner or brett favre, but those guys actually put points on the board. QB rating lionizes QB’s who don’t take risks and don’t win for their teams rather manage the game. if you like trent dilfer as your QB, by all means, use it as a stat, but if you want a QB to actually do something for you, then there’s better metrics.
and PERSONALLY i don’t think INT’s are that big of a deal.
November 4th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
oh, and sorry for the late reply…i was being a good ‘merican.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
i guess being a horse-face coat-tail rider is much better than having class.
/just salty, actually like elway
November 4th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
i dont/cant read all the comments, so i really am not sure what you’re talking about. if it is the political posts, then i get it. the election is today, so that’s over with. if you want to blast me, just email me. much easier that way.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
spencer, I couldn’t agree more. David Garrard is the poster boy for high rating not meaning a hell of a lot.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Triston = Maggs?
November 4th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
spencer … so you’re saying Cutler isn’t a good risk manager? And what metrics are a good use for evaluating a QB?
i dont have a top 3 or anything, but i’m guessing it is some form of …
completion %
TD-INT ratio
wins
November 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
yards per attempt is the benchmark rather than completion % because you can check down all day and have a great comp %. TD’s are obviously important. INT’s depending whom you ask. yards but that’s a little redundant.
really there’s no good metric for football because it’s such a team dependant game, so really, it just depends on ambiguous stuff like how well they can read defenses and make adjustments and how poised they are. terrible answer i know, but it’s better than just saying “eyeball test.”
November 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I think the point is that if you have a great team around a quarterback and he doesn’t have to take risks to win games, then he can have a good rating but not really add much to the offense. Those that have to take risks (poorer supporting casts) will inherently have a lower quarterback rating.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
No.
2 SUPERBOWLS WITH T. DAVIS >>>> ZERO SUPERBOWLS IN THE SHIT HOLE STATE OF OHIO.
Yes
November 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
and im saying that cutler is an aggressive QB who’s going to put himself in riskier positions throwing downfield than someone like pennington or rivers who don’t have the arm strength to really stretch the field.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
whoa there Triston…the broncos ripped out our hearts twice…no need to start calling state’s out like that.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Sorry spence, that was maggs’d. And you can only blame the Broncos for 1 of those. Byner should catch your wrath for the other.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Ohio is where Michigans poop goes.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
/Maggs’d
November 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
so then why do you take it back?
/charles woodson
November 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
-Gutting out tough wins by making big plays at the end of games despite having a terrible offensive line and 4th string running back
-Single handedly losing games with terrible picks and poor decision
The Cutler love of some of you people is fucking ridiculous.
And Spence is right, YPA is a huge stat that has an extremely high correlation to win percentage.
November 4th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
TBL–
I agree in the general sense (Cutler was a bit overrated thanks to the Broncos’ hot start), but QB rating is the most useless garbage “stat” ever devised, for the reasons spence said earlier. It’s basically a rich man’s completion percentage–it hides more than it reveals.