Ten Things We Think We Thunk After 12 Hours (Roughly) of Watching Football Sunday
NFL November 10th. 2008, 9:00am
1. You Play to Win, Obviously: We commend the ballsy 2-point attempt by Herman Edwards in the Chiefs’ 20-19 loss in San Diego. The play call wasn’t terrible – Shaun Phillips simply kept containment. If the NFL employed college OT (it should), then KC kicks the extra point.
2. Big Ben as Jarret Lee: Gotta love how, in the same week the highest paid players in 2008 list is released with Ben Roethlisberger at the top ($27.7 million), the Steelers’ QB cost his team a crucial game against the Colts. He threw a terrible pass at the end of the first half that let Indy get a late TD. And then he threw another bad one late in the fourth that led to Indy’s eventual game-winning TD. Monday, on the 6 pm Sportscenter: “What’s wrong with Ben Roethlisberger?” Don’t try to blame the o-line, Mark Schlereth – he wasn’t under duress on either pass.
3. Statistical inequality: Minnesota won total yards against Green Bay, 361-184. Rushing yards: Minny 220, Green Bay 74. Time of possession: 36-23, Minnesota. Other goodies: Green Bay was 0-11 on third-down conversions, scored just one offensive TD, and gave up two safeties. Final: Vikings 28, Packers 27.
4. Titans 9-0: Kerry Collins attempted 41 passes on the road, completed 30, and didn’t throw an interception. The Titans rushed for a mere 20 yards and still beat the Bears. Perplexing, huh? About as quizzical as what CFL team Sage Rosenfels will be playing for next season. Saskatchewan is lovely this time of year.
5. Offensive Rookie of the Year: Joe Flacco has officially made it a three-player race. Atlanta’s Matt Ryan is your leader, closely followed by Flacco and Tennessee’s Chris Johnson. Denver’s Eddie Royal and Chicago’s Matt Forte have also been impressive. Is New England’s Jerod Mayo the defensive leader?
6. Jarret Lee Impersonation Day: Drew Brees threw three picks (loss). Gus Frerotte threw three picks (win). Ben Roethlisberger threw three picks (loss). Jake Delhomme threw four picks (win). Sage Rosenfels threw four picks (loss).
7. Monday Monday Monday: Because we’re enormous fans of Jordana Brewster, here’s the TV plan tonight – Chuck at eight, and then watching Gossip Girl on tape at 9. Arizona vs San Francisco does nothing for us, though we are mildly curious about whether or not the Leinart beer bong photos will be shown. 
8. Thanks for Nothing: Sebastian Janikowski hit the crossbar on a 58-yarder with less than 20 seconds left that would have given us the cover at +10. They needed two scores, down 17-6, so thanks for at least trying.
9. Missing in Action: Tomlinson hasn’t scored since Sept. 28, and has just two 100-yard games this season. Trent Edwards, during Buffalo’s three-game losing streak against AFC East foes, has been sacked nine times and thrown five picks. Jeremy Shockey of New Orleans has played in six games and has fumbled three times and not yet scored.
10. When you’re wrong, you’re wrong: We had Baltimore winning maybe four games. They have six. Everyone missed Atlanta, so we don’t feel that bad. Way off on the Giants. And that Colts-are-done pick that was looking prescient two weeks ago when they lost at Tennessee, has been hampered by a dumb penalty on the Patriots last week, and two massive Big Ben miscues Sunday.
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November 10th, 2008 at 9:02 am
while he makes stupid decisions regardless, i would imagine having a separated shoulder makes it hard to throw accurately 100% of the time.
he shouldnt have played this game, bottom line.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:04 am
It wouldn’t kill you to give them some credit for winning those games, would it? I mean, I’ve never heard you talk about how bad calls cost them the Jags game.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:04 am
fuck you Aaron Rodgers. enjoy that contract extension.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Could/should the Eagles replace the most successful coach in franchise history?
Between those two challenges and the unforgivable play calling, forget the fan base… I wonder if the locker room has much faith in Reid any more.
Keep in mind the defense, which had gotten mauled all night, got a huge stop running on fumes in the fourth. Then they had to watch Reid make the same play calling mistake he made against the Redskins and Bears — running the ball for short yardage when you’ve repeatedly shown no ability to do so. Devastating.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:06 am
I’m not saying Ben isn’t making some poor decisions, but on every interception Santonio is running the wrong route or making a terrible play on the ball. He needs to help his QB out, and he’s not.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Mayo is neck and neck with Chris Horton for defensive ROY…at this point, I think Horton has the edge, though.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:07 am
didn’t see the jags game. i know you’re a colts guy … but how lucky have they been this year? Don’t forget the Houston comeback. And yes, it’s better to be lucky than good sometimes.
if they were 4-5, they’d be “unlucky”
November 10th, 2008 at 9:07 am
favre wouldn’t be able to stop the run for you, it’s not rodgers’ fault.
this NFL season has sucked, royally.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am
I don’t love Big Ben giving away games. Coop is right on the second pick, Santonio made zero effort to get to that ball.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:11 am
We didn’t know you played to win. We thought it was the opposite.
/Lions Management
November 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Statistical inequality: Minnesota won total yards against Green Bay, 361-184. Rushing yards: Minny 220, Green Bay 74. Time of possession: 36-23, Minnesota. Other goodies: Green Bay was 0-11 on third-down conversions, scored just one offensive TD, and gave up two safeties. Final: Vikings 28, Packers 27.
i believe peterson had more rushing yards than the entire packers team as a whole.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am
He doesn’t throw the ball away when there is no play to be made
November 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am
With as many dropped passes, dumb penalties, tipped interceptions, freak injuries (they’ve lost TWO starting corners to “holes in the turf”) and disappearing DT’s (one abruptly retired, the other smoked himself off the team) as they’ve had – not to mention the league’s last-ranked running game – I’d call the Colts anything but lucky.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Spencer this season sucks so bad Tom Jackson said Kerry Collins has a shot at MVP.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:17 am
spencer, i know Favre wouldn’t have stopped AP. no one would’ve. but 1 offensive TD is unacceptable. and they had gone 8 quarters without scoring a TD before that.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
If the Giants and Titans make the Super Bowl we may not see 30 passing plays total. Springsteen would likely be the most exciting 10 minutes of the evening.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am
@molemaninthemorning :
I agree that they should’ve rested him. But I’m thinking once Parker went down they felt more urgency to play Big Ben rather then give him a much need weeks rest. Either way it was a terrible loss, had that game in total control. No matter how poor his pass on the pick before half, should’ve never been throwing there, 3rd and 2 – 1:30 left. Run it damn it!
November 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am
We get it, bsanders. Colts are the best team in the history of ever and have fought adversity that has never before been imagined.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:20 am
wow, ravens actually getting some love for once. maybe the might move above 20 in the power rankings? not gonna get my hopes up though.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:20 am
There’s no way it’s Ben Roethlisberger’s fault! He’s one of the top-5 quarterbacks of all-time!
November 10th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Colts are so fucking lucky.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:23 am
But they’ll never Rex Grossman under center. And for that I’m eternally grateful.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Technically that’s a typo, but I think Rex Grossman’s ineptitude at this point qualifies him to noun status. “Aw shit, I really Grossmaned that test today.”
November 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am
I didn’t say it wasn’t his fault CRM, but watching every game I’ve notice Santonia is never where he should be. I would love to see a stat of how many INT he has when throwing to a specific receiver.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Tampa, you’re absolutely right. Those two tipped passes that Reggie Wayne caught could easily have been intercepted, instead one of them goes for a TD.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Bsanders, that would be a verb.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:31 am
bsanders- Rex Gross man is a POS and there is nothing I can do but only wish and hope for Physical Harm to be done to him. Orton is gonna be back next week. “Aw shit, Marvin Harrison really Grossman’d that catch”
November 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
benji
Sustained.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Fuck you Trent Edwards. Bring back Alex Van Pelt damnit
November 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Ding ding ding.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Tampa – Yeah, Harrison is done. I really wish they’d slide Gonzo over to that spot. The sad part is that Harrison either gets separation and is wide open, then he either can’t catch up to the ball or he alligator arms it because he doesn’t want to get hit. He’s never been a physical WR, but it’s been especially bad this season. Sad to see one of the best go out on such a sour note, but most of them tend to.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:36 am
I disagree that the OT should be decided College style. I love Sudden death and I love that the defense can make a play to win the game. That is what everyone neglects to mention that you can pick 6 a victory. You can’t do that in College OT. To me that is more exciting than some contrived garbage.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Wow, a call for ALEX VAN PELT? At what point do the Bills fall into fraud category? Tremendous hype three weeks ago, and then 3 straight losses to league foes.
Im just glad the college fans aren’t reading this one – figured i’d get heat over the Jarret Lee digs.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:38 am
What an atrocious weekend. PSU loses, Steelers lose, both of my fantasy teams will lose (despite having the 2nd and 3rd highest point totals), my HDTV went on the fritz.
And just about everyone in here is right:
1) Ben refuses to throw the ball away. Plus, when was the last time he actually took off and ran? I’d rather have a 3 to 5 yard gain with a hook slide than some forced pass.
2) Most of the picks do seem to be aimed at Santonio
3) The Colts WERE lucky yesterday with the tipped passes, dropped INTs by the Steelers, etc. Still, if the Steelers don’t throw the picks deep in their own territory and/or score on the goal line, the luck factor is moot.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Bills = Super Fraud
November 10th, 2008 at 9:42 am
That wasn’t necessarily directed at you Coop. I was just defending one of the top-5 quarterbacks of all time. Roethlisberger should have a lifetime pass after he singlehandedly led the Steelers to the Super Bowl.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:43 am
@TBL- Buffalo played w/o two of their top defensive players, Whitner and Schobel. Evans was held to 2 grabs for 22 yards and Lynch had 47 yards. At least they have Brady Quinn to beat up on next week
November 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
has lynch ran for over 100 yards a game yet?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
i thought i was the only one who liked college overtime better than nfl overtime? is the college overtime perfect? no. but at least both teams are guarenteed a possession.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
You can pick 6 a victory in college, can’t you?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
As an Evans fantasy owner who was watching Bears-Titans at the time, exactly HOW did the Pats secondary hold him to 22 yards, again? That shocked me.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Nick..I thought you couldn’t. I thought a Pick just ended the possesion
November 10th, 2008 at 9:46 am
@mole- 83 yards is his highest
November 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Dropped passes and penalties now fall under the “lucky/unlucky” category?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
When’s the last time that happened in an NFL OT? It should either be like college or maybe even an additional quarter. Hell, it doesn’t even have to be that long – make it 10 minutes. Sudden death sucks goatnuts.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:49 am
You can pick 6 a victory in college, can’t you?
In regulation Yes.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
It just ends the possession in OT? Anyone confirm?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Mike NYC
- Apparently so. If a tipped pass goes for a TD, it’s lucky. But if a tipped pass is intercepted, it’s normal procedure. Personally, I think tipped passes are more akin to fumbles in that where they end up is more chance and tends to be cyclical. Sometimes you get ‘em, sometimes you don’t. The Colts had two passes tipped for INTs in the Pack game and two more in the Titans game. I suppose they were due.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Turnover ends possession. Either the game ends or the offense takes the field at the other 25
November 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
It just ends the possession.
/Myles Brand’s Book of Science
November 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
“Our defense is designed to stop one aspect of the opposing team’s offense while ignoring the other. If we stop the run, the QB will look like Steve Young. If we stop the pass, the RB will look like Walter Payton. It’s a system that has worked in the past and we’re sticking with it.” – fake quote by that motherf#cker Lovie Smith
November 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Depending on the situation. You can run a 2-pt conversion back in college though.
Also, who takes two safeties? In a single game? Honestly?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Oh shit, Circuit City’s filing for bankruptcy.
November 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Didn’t the Cardinals beat the Cowfags with a blocked punt in OT this year? College Football takes away Special Teams and Defensive scoring to determine it’s games. So refs now look at Pass Interference even harder because in reality the defender doesn’t have the same right to the ball. Why not just end the game with a field goal kicking game? The NFL’s is the best way
November 10th, 2008 at 9:55 am
I cant wait for the black friday sale after Thanksgiving
November 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
It prefers African-American Friday.
/looking out for Bo
November 10th, 2008 at 9:58 am
irish you ever stand in line at one of those places (best buy or circut city) to get the black friday deals?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Aren’t most NFL OTs decided by a march for a 35 yard field goal on 3rd down?
November 10th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Early Bailout move
November 10th, 2008 at 9:59 am
The Vegas over/under on the Ravens was 5 so don’t feel too bad TBL. Bettis hit it on the head last night, the Ravens right now have a better QB and running game then Pitt. I still think our banged up secondary is our achilles heel but the best front 7 in football(sorry Ten) has covered it up. Should be a physical bloodbath this Sun in NY.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Cyber Monday > Black Friday
/don’t have to wake up early and shop with smelly people
November 10th, 2008 at 10:03 am
i stood in line at the state college best buy last year, it was like 20 degrees outside but it was great. got there at like three and just talked with strangers in line the whole time. totally worth it even though i was only there to buy a bunch of dvds
November 10th, 2008 at 10:06 am
@mmonasty- two years ago i did for LCD TVs. Last year, i got the Wii for the kids. Of course i buy one extra and sell it. This year im going for blueray DVD player. It isnt like i have to stand in rain, sleet or snow. cant beat FL
November 10th, 2008 at 10:07 am
its a great thing to do if you spend thanksgiving alone (fuck driving 500 miles for turkey dinner). just get tanked all day thanksgiving, take a late nap, wake up and keep drinking, head out to best buy. if its cold as balls, bring a thermos full of bourbon and hot tea
November 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am
i did i 2 yrs agi fir a digital camera, and i was gonan go last yr but i noticed lines were forming around 2pm…no chance then for any deals
November 10th, 2008 at 10:30 am
just curious…what bad calls cost the colts the game against the jags?
November 10th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Umm… I called this when they were 4-0. They beat a bunch of garbage teams, end of story.
HAHAHA Irish, you sir sound like a delirious Bills fan.
Schobel is overrated as hell, he wouldn’t have made a significant impact on yesterday’s game. He is not, never has been, and never will be a game changing D-end.
Lynch had 47 yards rushing because the o-line is trash. They have no tenacity and poor schemes in the run game. That line won’t be good at run blocking until both of those things change.
On top of that, Dick Jauron is a mess and poorly coached another game. Enjoy that contract extension.
@bsanders: Don’t worry man, easy schedule here on out. Peyton is finally getting into form. The running game will follow. If Sanders and Freeney are healthy the rest of the way, Colts are gonna be a force in the AFC playoffs.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:50 am
From the Coffedork this morning:
is it just me or have plenty of players have had 10 tackles in a half before?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:00 am
is there a worse short yardage team in the NFL than the Eagles?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:04 am
@phatjohnson- sorry im not a negative prick like yourself
November 10th, 2008 at 11:06 am
id rather have jauron then romeo…
and irish…next week’s the big week.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:16 am
@irish – there is a difference between being negative and realistic. This goes back to why I think Bills fans are idiots because they have no perception of reality. Every time the Bills win a game the phrase “Super Bowl” is uttered. Its ridiculous.
@spencer – Browns vs. Bills on MNF is going to be a shitfest. I almost bought tickets for $95 and i then realized that I would want to be put out of my misery at halftime and decided to skip. After all, I saw Bills play Dallas last year for MNF and boy was that a fuckin joy to watch!
November 10th, 2008 at 11:17 am
@spencer- going down buddy
November 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I think they were ranked 30th in short yardage situations going into last night. But in terms of short yardage when the game is on the line, no one can possibly be worse.
What is unforgivable about this is that Andy Reid fails to recognize it, even after heart breaking losses to the Bears and the Redskins. If you’re going to lose the game against the Giants on that final drive you can’t let it be due to the same, terrible mistakes you’ve made all year.
The Eagles have a defensive tackle (Klecko) playing fullback, and their best O-lineman (Shawn Andrews) has been out all year.
When the game is on the line, common sense eludes Andy Reid.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
They can’t be worse than Redskins fans in the DC, Maryland, Virginia region.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
an epic one at that…i fully expect the browns to dominate the first three quarters, then completely blow it…again…just like they did against the shitty ravens (who are truly shitty) and the shitty broncos (who are just a tad shittier).
November 10th, 2008 at 11:21 am
@phat- i respect what you are saying. I never once uttered the words “Super Bowl” regarding the Bills.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:27 am
@irish – I hope not. You did however use Aaron Schobel’s injury as a possible explanation as to why the Bills blew ass yesterday. He is very overrated by Bills fans.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
He is very overrated by Bills fans\
2006,2007 Pro Bowler is overrated? ALL Pro is ‘06 is overrated?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:38 am
1. Lions suck
2. Daunte Culpepper sucks
3. Stanton was a 2nd round pick?
4. Zero = number of 2008 draft picks playing for the 2008 Lions
5. Lions suck
6. The NFL sucks
7. Can’t they play NCAA football on Sundays?
8. These guys aren’t even trying
9. Charles Woodson is awesome
10. Kerry Collins deserves a Super Bowl ring and good luck to him
November 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
watching gossip girl is unequivocally gay
November 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
@irish – The Pro Bowl selection process is very flawed. You know who else is a two time Pro Bowler? DeAngelo Hall… nuff said.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:42 am
well said
November 10th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Poor Jarret Lee. Not that he does not deserve it, because he does. But he is becoming a household name for all the wrong reasons.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
@irish – The Pro Bowl selection process is very flawed. You know who else is a two time Pro Bowler? DeAngelo Hall… nuff said.
after last week, I’ll just that one go (nothing w/ you phat, btw). Some of you will know what I’m talking about
Disagree slightly about the Bills. Overrated early, not enough national understanding about what’s going on now (ie a lot of ESPN people picking Bills to beat NE, where they haven’t won in forever). Schobel, McGee (now back), Whitner, DiGiorgio and Youboty out on D has hurt. Plus, add two starting OL out, plus your “best one” (Peters) playing like shit most of the time leads to problems (ie running game). Not enough depth to overcome the injuries (which IS on them to overcome, and they haven’t).
November 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Zero = number of 2008 draft picks playing for the 2008 Lions
Really? None? How is that possible?
November 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
@jpq – I don’t know if you are backing up my D. Hall statement or going against it by saying that. Either way, I think the Pro Bowl selection is a process is a joke and I doubt you could sway me there.
Furthermore, my argument is that injuries to Schobel, McGee, DiGiorgio, and Youboty shouldn’t be an excuse for this team. I honestly don’t think any of these players are guys who are necessary to win. DiGiorgio and Youboty are backups. yes it hurts the depth but shouldn’t matter that much.
Schobel and his 2 pro bowls are overrated, covered that.
I think McGee is a serviceable second CB. The Bills act like he is amazing. I feel like McGee, Greer, McKelvin, Youboty, and Reggie Corner are all the same guy. None of them are very different physically or skill wise. McGee has more experience but other than that, you aren’t talking about a top 10 or 15 CB in the league so his injury shouldn’t be so damaging.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Regarding the Giants, if they manage to clinch the #1 seed in the NFC at least they will have earned it. I predict they will lose one of the next three, probably at Washington, but they could lose any of them. The Eagles will probably win the next three, meaning it will be 10-2 Giants against 8-4 Eagles, think that game is moving to prime time Sunday night?
November 10th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Roy Williams, the safety, is a perfect example of the flaws in the Pro Bowl process.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
@phat: completely agree w/ you on D hall (http://thebiglead.com/?p=9022#comment-292671) and comments following. I just don’t want to start another shitstorm like last week w/ one guy on here. I’m not lowering myself any longer-lol.
Agreed on excuses, I said that also. They should overcome them, and they’re not. My point is media not knowing that they have no depth, and really aren’t good enough to overcome them yet, but still saying, “what’s wrong w/ the Bills?” I wish they were 7-2 or 6-3, but there’s still 7 games left, and a lot can change in those seven weeks. that’s all.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Sorry, I just don’t get the Herm going for 2 thing. His offense sucks, and they barely made it into the endzone on 3 trys. Sure your defense sucks, but so does your offense. That is why you are 1-7. Take the free points, hope you win a coin flip, and maybe Tony G can play RB. Stupid move, Herm is an idiot. It’s not like it’s weak 17, and nothing matters.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
ahahahahahaha I remember that argument. It just didnt click til i looked at the post again. I wouldn’t get into anything like maggs… dudes got issues. I just get hyped up when i hear stupid Bills fans. As I’ve said before its because I’m local to Buffalo and its ALL I hear so it hurts my feelings extra when national outlets are as dumb.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I know. From Buffalo too. Live in SoFla now (went to Fins/Bills debacle. Watch the games on the Sunday Ticket (ready to cancel subscription now-lol)