Is Derek Lowe The Best Value Free Agent Starter?
Baseball November 19th. 2008, 1:00pm
The Yankees went all in early during free agency, offering CC Sabathia a gobsmacking six-year $140 million contract, potentially the largest ever for a pitcher. The offer presumably rules out other clubs, unless the Mets, Dodgers or Angels can conjure a reasonably close deal.
Boras-client Derek Lowe, the next step down, won’t come cheaply. Though, even if Boras gets his price, $15 million per season according to the Boston Globe, Lowe likely comes in a more manageable three-year $45 million or four-year $60 million package.
What’s interesting are the projections for next season. Here are the Bill James lines.
Sabathia: 240 IP, 3.48 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 205 SO
Lowe: 206 IP, 3.60 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 132 SO
Assuming James’ numbers are reasonably accurate, there isn’t much difference between these two. Sabathia will throw more innings. Lowe will have fewer strikeouts as a sinker ball pitcher. Sabathia has a slightly better projection. He’s younger (27) than Lowe (35). But Lowe is not three hundred pounds and didn’t pitch until his arm died the past two seasons.
A.J. Burnett, who may cost $16 to $18 million per season, has a strikingly similar projection to both Lowe and Sabathia.
Burnett: 224IP, 3.62 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 218 SO
Burnett is no sure thing. He will be 32. The innings projection of 224 seems a tad optimistic, considering he’s never pitched that many in his career. In eight seasons in the rotation, Burnett has made 30 starts just twice.
Though the projections for the three pitchers have marginal differences, they are quite similar pitchers in production terms. Â Sabathia has longevity, mitigated by long-term conditioning concerns. Â Burnett has ability, but has never consistently stayed healthy. Â Derek Lowe comes with the lowest cost and the least physical risk without losing much value from the other two. For a team trying to win next season, Lowe makes the most sense.
The argument however, may be pointless as Hammerin’ Hank may crack open his man-sized piggy bank to buy all three. As a devout Red Sox fan, nothing excites me more than a huffing and puffing Sabathia, the Derek Lowe face and an injured Burnett rolling into Fenway Park at the cost of about $60 million per season.
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November 19th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
How can they project the ERAs if they don’t know what team’s defense will be backing him up? Are those based on league average?
November 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I’m not sure how they determine that. I just had it in there for a point of comparison that, under that projection, they are about equal.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
That’s right, Hef. Most projection systems are based on some FIP-ish (luck/defense neutral) metrics. Once you know what team the player will be on, you can then make a league adjustment, too. (Generally 0.5 higher for AL)
November 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
from Ken Rosenthal on Fox Sports - “Boras, according to executives with two different teams interested in Derek Lowe, is telling clubs he wants “a Zito-type contract” for the free-agent right-hander.”
I think Boras is gettin crazier as he gets older
November 19th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
At any rate, it’s probably more objective than me looking over their numbers from the past few seasons and pulling projections out of my ass.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
You got to believe those numbers for Lowe are calculated as if he is playing in Dodger Stadium and that would be a significant factor
November 19th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
I would take Lowe in a heartbeat for 4/$60, especially if Dempster basicaly just got the same thing (4/$52). I don’t see Sabathia outperforming (or even performing to) the contract after year 3 or 4 (like Pedro), and Burnett is almost certain to underperform to the contract like he did every year except this one (contract year).
Sabathia = Bartolo Colon (great beginnning,then ate himself out of the league
Burnett = Carl Pavano (solid contract year w/ Marlins, then vanished)
November 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Those ERAs seem pretty optimistic for both Lowe and Burnett, especially if they will be playing in the AL.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Burnett vanished? He pitched great for Toronto for 3 years. He got hit with the injury prone label, but last 3 years 135, 165, 221 innings. Seems healthy now.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Texiera will be best value. CC has thrown so many innings the past two years, I just think that a long term deal (although he deserves it) just isnt worth the money. Downside with Texiera is that he seems to not really care about teams and/or leadership.
Maybe there should be something like term-limits imposed on contracts.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
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now realize this was starting pitching value. sorry. In that case, CC for a 2 year 60 mil deal
November 19th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Like all groundball pitchers, Lowe is only as good as the defense behind him. If you have a top 10 defense, $60 mil over 4 years is a hell of a deal.
You know what you’re getting from Lowe year to year. I don’t think you can say the same of Sabathia or Burnett.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Bill James predictions for 09:
Jon Lester: 12-11/4.02/1.40
Phil Hughes: 9-5/3.35/1.25
November 19th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Pecota, prior to 2008, puts the 2009-2011 projected VORP at
Lowe - 53
Burnett - 75.2
Sabathia - 114.6
Not sure what the projections will show now (all will probably go up a bit),and it is only one metric, but this suggests it is very likely that Sabathia will be significantly more valuable.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I don’t think Burnett was labeled as injury prone. He’s been a full-time starter for eight seasons. He’s pitched 200 innings three times, made 30+ starts twice.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Is CC dead? When is he going to sign that contract.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
AJ Burnett is injury-prone. By an amateur’s count, Burnett has been on the disabled list about 20 times. Many of his injuries have been of the hand, arm, and shoulder variety, (including Tommy John in 2003), increasing concerns of clubs around the league. He’s only pitched over 30 games in a season twice in his career, meaning that he’ll never be the innings-eating horse that teams covet to go deep into post-season play.
Not sure where this come’s from, but yes, he has been labled injury prone.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Probably not for a while I would suspect. If the Brewers were willing to go, 5-years $100 million. You would have to assume that someone would be willing to go to the 6-year $130 range. It doesn’t sound as though he’s enamored with New York, so that may make it justifiable for him to turn down the Yankees’ offer.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hernia, i still don’t think he is going to take that. Last time i checked, NY isn’t the west coast and they don’t bat the pitcher in that league. CC might be the first guy to turn down the overpayment for happiness, depending on the drop off to the next best contract.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
As a Yankees fan, I can only pray that he turns the contract down.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
I hear that and Ty’s points too, but since there will be no Red Sox or Mets bid, I just don’t see any team that plans to make him an offer going over the $115 million range, and while that’s an assload of cash, it’s still a pretty big gap.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Is this for real?
November 19th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
It seems like Hank is more of a checkers than a chess man. Combine that with Brian Cashman’s astute pitching contract advisory team and look out.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
The player’s union will bear down on CC to sign Yankee contract so to keep contracts inflated.
Isn’t greed grand?
November 19th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
I don’t think Burnett was labeled as injury prone. He’s been a full-time starter for eight seasons. He’s pitched 200 innings three times, made 30+ starts twice.
Maybe I didn’t state my point about Burnett very well. While he was with the Marlins, I saw probably 75% of his starts, and, to this day, his biggest problem is that he is “maddening”. Almost all MLB scouts and GM’s say he has “electric stuff” and is a “#1 Type starter”. Problem is, other than last year, he is a 500 pitcher (69-66 in 9 years). He just always seems to “throw” not “pitch”. When the Marlins won in ‘03, McKeon made the stadium people turn off the MPH signs because he (and Beckett) would get hung up on speed and trying to overpower the hitters.
That’s all I got to say about that
November 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
@spalding: that’s already happening. but CC is 6′7″ and will put a beat down on Donny Fehr is he keeps getting all up in his bizniss.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Is CC dead? When is he going to sign that contract.
He better sign that contract ASAP!!!!
Regards,
Mama Cass’s ham sandwich
November 19th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
WHAT!?!?! sure sabathia probably will be a little worse this year, but he’s had two cy young caliber seasons in a row and has made steady improvement every single year he’s played. how can you say you don’t know what you’re getting? especially considering he’s never really been injured?
November 19th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
This is actually ideal. Someone make this happen.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Zippy chance Lowe gets 15 Mil/yr deal. That would be the worst pitching move evAr by a club (excluding Zito and Hampton).
November 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
I’ll take that bet.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
You’re right, Nick. It will happen. Some dumbass GM will think that a 35yr old over the hill pitcher is worth 15 mil/yr at the end of his career.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
I’ll guess 3/50, 4/65
November 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I really hope that the Yanks don’t sign either Burnett or Owen Wilson.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
I would go with three years, but at no more than 10-12/yr.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Also, you have to remember that the contract is for more than one year (Pertaining to performance, not money) You give 6 years for Sabathia and he’s pitching for you until he’s 33, as Lowe is already 35 and wants a 3/4 year deal. Sabathia has pitched two straight Cy Young caliber seasons.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
what is this, “as a yankee fan i don’t want sabathia”? talk, or even AJ Burnett for that matter? AYFKM, what alternative do they have right now? They have two starters slated for next year, Wang and Chamberlain, and Joba already is a risk with his tendinitis. You want another year of unready Hughes and Kennedy? They have nobody else ready to pitch. They could re-sign Andy Pettitte, still leaves two spots and even he is a bigger question mark. They can absorb the cost of the contracts if all goes wrong, but Sabathia has had success in the AL, he had a bad start to last season. He was pitching well prior to the trade. They need to sign at least one of these guys.