Would You Let Incompetent San Francisco Giants GM Brian Sabean Manage Your Money?
Baseball December 5th. 2008, 3:00pm
Being a baseball GM is a great gig. What other occupation would allow you to remain employed after commandeering hundreds of millions of dollars of your boss’ money and, essentially, flushing it down the toilet? San Francisco Giants fans know this all too well.
Under Brian Sabean’s tutelage, the Giants just signed SS Edgar Renteria to a two-year $18.5 million deal, with a third-year option. Â How does someone logical make this decision?
Renteria had a .699 OPS/84 OPS+ season for the Tigers last year. That’s not a fluke. It is characteristic for him. An average player has a 100 OPS+, Renteria’s career OPS+ is a slightly below average 96. He has six seasons below 90 and just three above 104. His spectacular 2007 season with Atlanta (.860 OPS/125 OPS+) is an outlier.
By reputation, Renteria would balance his hitting with the glove. I’ll concede if someone can prove his worth with better fielding statistics. But, a shortstop who has not ranked in the top ten in MLB in either range factor or zone rating since 2004, probably is no longer an elite fielder.
Renteria turns 34 in the middle of next season. He was so bad in Detroit that GM Dave Dombrowski publicly admitted trading for him was a mistake. He’ll probably bounce back a bit next season, but even generously, that’s to the league average. That’s about $20 million to stay equidistant from a World Series.
According to a team source, “experience†motivated the Giants to sign Renteria.
But a team official, explaining recently why the Giants were pursuing an older shortstop, noted that it would be tough on the team’s young pitching staff to have an infield consisting of four rookies or second-year players.
Yes, signing all of those veterans to stock up on experience has really worked well for the Giants the past few years (high-76 wins). It was those damn kids. If only they’d kept Matt Morris instead of shoving that Lincecum fellow out there before he was ready …
This spurious intent comes from the same luminary that gave Barry Zito $126 million, bid against himself for Barry Bonds, awarded Aaron Rowand $60 million, and traded Francisco Liriano, Boof Bonser and Joe Nathan to the Twins for A.J. Pierzynski. Just in this paragraph, he squandered $200 million, and surrendered two all-star pitchers for one-year of a mediocre catcher. What does Brian Sabean have to do to get fired?
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December 5th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
WTF is this?
December 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
brian sabean is the joe morgan of general managers.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
TyDuffy – regularly comin through with this site’s best longform.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Now that Peter Magowan is out of Power in SF, my money is Sabean is on a short leash
/uninformed opinion
/or is it?
/it is
December 5th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
@roman- where the heck have you been? hope all is well
December 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Ty, BP has a good (and free) measure of defense for each player under their DT card. I can’t access it now, but you can check his fielding runs above replacement player stat over their.
/nice work
December 5th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
/stigs’d
December 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
I wouldn’t let Brian Sabean wash my car.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Irish…I have decided to expand my horizons and look to different flowers to get my sports/entertainment nectar
/I am really busy at work
December 5th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Fetch..what if he gives you a multi year deal that blows all other car washes out of the water and gives you the delux service even though you drive a 95 Cavalier and are looking for a regular wash?
December 5th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I think you’re better than this, tyduffy. Just look at his w0BA expectations and Chone defensive projections. You’ll find that the deal is pretty fair. It’s pretty hard for a league average bet at SS to be overpaid at only $9.5 M per year.
You can’t use one year to make a projection, which you seem to be doing.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
bat* not bet.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
This signing doesn’t make much sense to me. I am sure that the Giants could have gotten a much cheaper “reliable” fielder to play SS.
Bartlett from the Rays is being shopped around and he is a pretty good fielder that would be cheap and yet a good fielder.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Roman, if he overpays me by about 8 million, sure why not.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
At least he’s hanging onto Tim Lincecum, for the moment.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
What does this have to do with Kenny Williams?
December 5th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Oh and PS, they don’t necessarily need a top fielding SS, seeing as almost every pitcher on their staff is a strikeout/flyball pitcher. Hell Derek Jeter would make sense on that team.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I’ve liked most of the moves Sabean has made this offseason. The Giants could contend for the NL West title, since that division is so awful.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I hate the Giants. I think Sabean is a moron. Thank you for giving the Dodgers Ned Colletti. That said, not everybody thinks this signing is bad. And I have to say, he kind of makes sense.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
I don’t know much about stats but if Sabean uses a Razr, he must suck.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
@bsanders
Don’t know what it is, but the female lead is smoking. Unfortunately Indian movies don’t have gratuitous nudity.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
@tyduffy — I’m a Giants fan who is against the signing, but it’s not as bad as you make it out to be.
I am against it because Renteria is a below-average defensive shortstop, and our young pitching staff is going from Omar freaking Vizquel to this guy — not good.
On the other hand, consider the following: The Giants have no prospects at shortstop, so he’s not blocking anyone (that includes anyone who is a plus defender).
It’s not an outrageous contract, and Renteria was quite solid from the plate the last three months of the season (because he finally got in shape). If he actually comes to spring training looking less like a pig this year he could have a decent year.
The Giants also have no legitimate prospects at second base, where he could presumably play as well if someone in the Giants’ system surprises.
And as I said, Renteria’s contract is not unmanageable, and he could look attractive to a contender looking for some trade (again, if Renteria hits like he did the last three months of the year).
Not a great deal, not a terrible one.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
i still can’t believe sabean is employed.
as a baseball general manager that is.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
My wife had one, and I couldn’t stand the delay on the keypad. Unbelievable that they had the technology to make such a thin phone and yet couldn’t get the buttons to respond when you touched them.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
@Quiz and Quon — Ha, just read Law’s column and he’s more or less thinking the same thing.
The Giants’ are in terrible shape in the middle of the infield. Absolutely no one with any kind of pop. Burriss isn’t anything special defensively, so he’s hardly the answer (unless he gets a lot better, which is possible but not probable).
December 5th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Never saw Burriss play that I recall. Law seems to think he isn’t likely to replicate his numbers from last year again. I don’t know, I haven’t looked at his stats or his peripherals. At any rate, I tend to agree with you, not a good signing but not all that horrible.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
So why is this signing illogical?
It’s not like the GM is blocking a prospect that can play SS anywhere near Edgar’s level in the next two years anyway by signing him. Sure, Renteria isn’t all that at this point in his career, but he should at least be an upgrade over keeping a 42-year-old Omar Vizquel.
December 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I still can’t get over what a pimp Sabean is.
December 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
why would any self respecting GM/person be seen using a Razr?
December 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
agree with NickP. a league average hitter is above average for shortstop. and as KLaw mentioned, he’s not blocking anybody and wont cost picks to sign so it’s not an anti-youth move. $20m is a shit load of money but thats what is costs to sign a player like renteria for 2 years.
sabaen does blow but i cant fault him for this move.
December 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I don’t think it’s as bad as some of his other deals, but signing Renteria is still devoid of inspiration. He should be better than he was last year in Detroit. But that’s still likely below league average. The Giants aren’t ready to compete next year. If you are going to get a stopgap, get a cheap one and redirect the resources into a power hitter, signing draft picks, anything.
December 5th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Didn’t go to a single Giants game last year for the first time since they opened the new stadium… my own personal protest for them to get rid of Sabean – the guy has been just killing me for the past few years. At least he didn’t trade Lincecum, albeit not for lack of trying.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
I read somewhere (I think over at FanHouse) that CC may be headed toward San Fran and that moves like Renteria were supposed to show Sabathia that they were trying to get more vets and less kids. If you have a rotation of Linecum, Sabathia and Matt Cain, it doesn’t matter who will be hitting. They only need about 2 runs a game. That rotation wins the NL West.