On Blogs and Bill Simmons
Uncategorized July 3rd. 2007, 5:28pmIn the world of sports writing, there may not be a more polarizing figure that ESPN’s Bill Simmons. Hate him, love him, whatever, he does massive numbers for ESPN.com and the guy’s got enough F U money not to care what you think.
But will he care what someone at Sports Illustrated thinks? Gelf Magazine interviewed SI’s Jim Gorant, who had some interesting thoughts on blogs and the success of Simmons. His words and our analysis after the jump:
One thing I’ve noticed is that in the age of blogs and ESPN, everyone is an expert and the experts are idiots. Everyone presents his opinion as the only opinion and any contradictory opinion as idiocy. There’s very little wiggle room; either you agree or you’re a know-nothing moron.
As for the Sports Guy, I’ve only read him four or five times, but my take is that he’s basically a comedy writer working within the realm of sports. I’ve had dozens of people recommend him to me, and when they do, they always say, “you have to read this guy, he’s hilarious.” It’s not “he’s interesting” or “intelligent” or “provocative” or “supplies really original insights and reporting.” It’s simply that he’s funny and makes a lot of cultural references that resonate with people of a certain age. Having said that, you’d be a fool not to recognize that he’s touched on something that really works as a form of entertainment. It’s something like a traditional column mixed with a diary. Whatever you want to label it—comedic-op-ed, blogging, stream-of-consciousness—the key in the end is that it’s done well. He is funny. My sense is that a lot of people out there have tried to duplicate the formula, but none that I know of have succeeded.
We wouldn’t go as far to say the ‘experts are idiots,’ but he’s onto something. One thing we see less and less of are the ‘experts’ actually quoting general managers or coaches or owners. And really, why give quotes to the paper that could twist them when you can go to the team-friendly website and put out a press release disguised as a story? This makes us wonder – are the ‘experts’ watching the games on TV just like we are, and offering their opinion? Or are they behind the scenes, working the phones and actually gathering information? This we wonder. All we’re sayin’ is that there should be more outstanding pieces in Slate like this that talk about how infrequently the ‘experts’ are quoting folks. Because in an era where writers are increasingly shuttling between radio shows and TV appearances, you’re seeing less quoting and more opinion.
As for Simmons, for the longest time, we were like Gorant in that we never read him. We’ve begun to read him more recently, but only because so many readers email us with strong opinions about him. We’ve never been one to hang on the every word of any writer (fine, maybe Norman Chad or Kornheiser in his early 1990s, pre-ESPN prime), so we probably aren’t the best ones to critique his writing. His NBA draft diary was a fun read and made us wonder … given a night to focus on just the NBA draft and being as funny as you can … couldn’t Yahoo or Sportsline or SI have hired some blogger to give that a stab? But therein lies the rub – anyone who even remotely attempts humor is a ‘copycat’ and obviously will be ridiculed endlessly. Still, seeing the success of Simmons, it appears as if the smart move would be for a rival outlet to give somebody a year to prove him/herself as a comedy sports writer. Problem is, too many places will want to pull the plug after two months if traffic isn’t through the roof. Imagine if we pulled the plug on this bad boy after two months? It’s as if the sporting media treats writers the same way sports teams treat coaches – the quick hook.
One Sports Fan’s Dream Year (Gelf Magazine)
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July 3rd, 2007 at 5:32 PM
People can try to marginalize Simmons all they want. The guy is a pioneer, end of story. Just don’t tell the guys at KSK, lest they have a heart attack.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 PM
Simmons is great. He is what he is, and usually when people critique him it’s off basis. Kind of like when people critique the Daily Show for being irresponsible in their reporting. It’s the freaking Daily Show. It’s a comedy show. Simmons is very similar, and I think he’s great. I’m surprised it took as long as it did for someone to do what he does.
That said, I’ve read a bit of Dan Wetzel on Yahoo, such as with his round by round analysis of the recent NBA draft, and I think he’s a pretty funny dude as well based on what I’ve seen.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:51 PM
With Simmons, I feel his column works because he has sports knowledged to go with his comedy. I think this is what makes him polarizing. It is not that he just spews jokes and the end…most of the times he uses his jokes to supplement his point. When you don’t agree with the point or like the jokes then you don’t like the guy. But there is obvious talent because it works…as many people read him because they like him as well as because they don’t. I read Mushnick for the same reason…he is an old crankpot I rarely agree with BUT because I don’t agree with him and he angers me I always go back fo more. As for the columnists that do the work..I read Peter King and Jon Heyman every week in SI, I’d read Gammons and Buster Olney more but I don’t feel like paying, and there are others…I read those guys because you can obviously see that they go and do the research and make the calls. I can watch a game and form my own opinion, I think these guys know that and go get the extra nugget in each column that puts them above and beyond…which unfortuantely is what they are supposed to do and that is their jobs.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:52 PM
I’ll read every single Simmons column… but it’s clear he lost his fastball sometime around 2003. He’s been a caricature of himself since then.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:53 PM
“The guy is a pioneer, end of story.”
Actually I’d say that’s where the story begins.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:54 PM
And just because we mock the Sports Guy at KSK doesn’t mean that we haven’t read and appreciated his work.
July 3rd, 2007 at 5:59 PM
I think Gorant is spot on that Simmons is a comedy writer working in the sports ‘verse. He has a particular ‘voice’ and is good at it. He hasn’t changed much in the 5 or 6 years I’ve been reading him. And he shouldn’t. He’s funny, he knows enough about sports to be relatively thoughtful, he’s passionate about sports and he cranks out material. I couldn’t ask for much more out of my free entertainment.
He’s wildly successful for a few reasons:
* He’s legitimately funny. Humor is entirely relative, so this doesn’t mean he’s funny to everybody. But to his audience of 30-something white guys like me, he is honestly funny.
* There really aren’t many actually funny writers out there as competition, particularly in the sports world. Off the top of my head, Norman Chad is the only other sports writer I’ve ever laughed out loud to. For a counter example, read some of Jay Mohr’s stuff on SI. He’s a professional funny guy and writing about sports just doesn’t come naturally to him. It ain’t funny.
* His timing was excellent. He hit the wave in a period where sports fans started looking for something different. He provided it well and has built incredible momentum. Don’t underestimate the power of just being out their early and building some success before anyone else is in the same playground.
* He generates alot of content. I come back to The Big Lead multiple times a day because of a good amount of content, for example. Nowadays people want more than just a poorly written sports column once or twice a week.
For someone else to really break out, they’re going to have to be Funny Sports Blogger in their own way. Copycats will flame out. Take the Deadspin monolith as an example. It’s the gorilla of sports blogging with thousands of little monkeys hoping to get a link. A new sports blog isn’t going to succeed by trying to be Leitch Light.
For instance, I think The Big Lead has built some momentum by taking a different angle on things. I only have two sports blogs RSS feeds in my reader: Deadspin & TBL. TBL offers industry gossip, musings on the business side of sports, the personalities of those that make a living off of sports, etc. That is the competitive difference that separates them from the typical “Look at this video; go to this link; here’s my lame/un-funny sports thought” sports blogs that you see out there.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:02 PM
Someone further down the chain will give the reasons why Simmons is mediocre, so I won’t bother.
I will say that he would fit great in a magazine like FHM or Maxim – something that is read by 15 year olds. One of the previous posts compared him to the Daily Show. I could not think of a better comparison. Both are tired, and watered down.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:11 PM
I really didn’t know it was possible to bring up Simmons on blog sites anymore without slamming the hell out of him. This is refreshing
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:12 PM
I’ve never understood why people blast Simmons, under the guise of such things as “He’s a national sportswriter!” and “He’s not an expert on anything!” Simmons is NOT an expert and I have NEVER perceived him to be one, and if you do, you’re an idiot. His whole schtick is that he’s Some Guy, Joe Sportsfan, and he’s supposed to represent that perspective. Granted, that schtick has taken a huge hit in recent years due to his quasi-celebrity status these days, not to mention the insane amount of money he must be making, but still, I don’t perceive him to be any different than any of my friends that talk sports, or any people on this blog for that matter, who also make the same dumb jokes all the time, who also throw out wildly irrational trade scenarios, who also blather about their fantasy baseball/football teams, etc etc. That’s his appeal to me, and I always gathered that that would be his appeal to anyone else.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:19 PM
is that refreshing like a cool drink of water or refreshing like a cool summer’s breeze?
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 PM
Simmons is great. Between his NFL picks and Greenburgs, I do rather well just picking against them.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:21 PM
I personally enjoy Simmons’ columns, because he is funny. He’s not a journalist, nor, to my knowledge, has he really claimed to be. He writes the sports equivalent of Op-Ed Columns with a bit of humor mixed into it.
The only people that really seem to get apoplectic about him, or bloggers in general for that matter, are newspaper hacks, the very people whose job and relevancy are threatened by the advent of this.
The proverbial guy sitting in his underwear feverishly typing away in his parents’ basement now has access to virtually all the information one could want about a given sport.
The newspaper hack will claim authority because he is actually there hanging around the locker-room, but how often does that make them any more insightful? Does hanging around a team’s locker-room on an everyday basis give one greater knowledge or alternatively does it put the blinders on so one gets this information sans context(see local baseball announcers)?
The local columnist does not have a monopoly on knowledge and has therefore lost a lot of cache. But, the ones who are actually halfway decent writers are still successful.
The reality is it is sport, not nuclear physics. These guys are not going through 10 extra years of school to learn about basketball or baseball to grant them official “expert” status. If you want to keep your relevancy, write something decent rather than spouting off about your claims to inside knowledge and how ESPN is destroying your world.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 PM
Simmons is good….when he’s not talking about the Patriots or hating on the Colts.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 PM
In my opinion, the general criticism of Bill Simmons has become that he hasn’t changed or developed and his jokes are the same as they were 5 years ago. It’s not that he has crazy opinions or he’s not an expert. It’s the fact that you can predict what he will say and what types of jokes he will make. Take for example the fill in the blank Simmons column that some blog put out there. His writing has boiled down to a formula and the fact that he still gets all of this publicity makes him polarizing. He could have an intern do his columns now and I really don’t think we would see a difference.
I still read him because he can still write some good columns. When he does that, they are really good. But, they seem to be fewer and farther between nowadays.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 PM
This doesn’t exactly read like “appreciation” to me:
http://tinyurl.com/nskmz
Not that you’re the only blog that’s done it, obviously. Simmons does his thing and gets paid a lot for doing it. Good for him. I’m still wondering why this is all so “polarizing.”
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 PM
No, I’m sorry, but Simmons is NOT simply a comedy writer. Beneath the shtick and the pop-culture jokes, the man takes himself VERY seriously. He thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, and he writes like he does, too, but if anybody calls him on it, then he’ll hide behind the whole “But I’m just a comedy writer!” routine. Don’t be fooled. (The Daily Show has a similar racket going.)
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 PM
For another viewpoint, check out http://www.sonsofthesportsguy.com
I find myself reading him less and less. I read the Vegas column in 2001 – what’s the hook now? I don’t care what he and his friends think of anything really. As for his knowledge of sports, I couldn’t tell you if he knows anything aside from his obvious New England bias.
Is he funny – I don’t think so, but I don’t watch Real World or the other tripe reality shows that he does. It’s clear he has a large audience that apes him relentlessly and that can’t be discounted.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:41 PM
I agree with rjp, there are too many sports blogs out there to actually read, so I stick with Deadspin and TBL…and TBL actually distances itself because of the great female photos/links that are added a couple of times a day…to think I would have never known who the hell Kim K is without TBL…actually I really dont know WHO she is or WHAT she does, just that she is banging
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 PM
Wow, KSK, sure does a little more than “mock” the sports guy on that link. My thing is, if you hate Simmons so much, just stop reading him.
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:54 PM
He’s funny, which is a niche not often seen on the national stage other than Rick Reilly. (that I can think of now)
Dave Barry did it, and its Simmons turn. Shoot, many of the people who comment on this board could be up next for a decent three-year run.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 PM
Simmons is not a sports columnist. I started reading him because I nearly wet myself laughing at his fantasy draft diaries. He has a following because we would love to have his job. He bascically gets to talk about whatever he wants, as long as his readership keeps up. My one complaint about Simmons, (I have dropped the New England bias complaint basically because I realized he was never going to get over it) is that he doesn’t follow through with projects. He will start a series of articles and never finish them. I have serious doubts that his podcasts will make it through the summer. If you have read him through the years you know what I mean. When was the last time he did one of his sports movie reviews?
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:08 PM
I read Simmons, but what irks me is that he seems to try to give off this man’s man persona when everything points to him being a pussy (From his voice to his build to his choice of shows to watch). That is my only complaint.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:10 PM
TBL said, “And really, why give quotes to the paper that could twist them when you can go to the team-friendly website and put out a press release disguised as a story?”
I won’t go so far as to worship Simmons by calling him visionary. He definitely gained from this turn of events, though. Team news doesn’t come exclusively from the local or national newspaper with word limitations anymore. Rob Neyer picks up readers by being ridiculously analytical of men using a stick to hit a ball. Simmons gains his readers and attention by being entertaining.
In my RSS, I have the Cubs, Bulls, and Iowa State official releases, Deadspin, Cobra Brigade, Chicago Sports Review, KSK, and Simmons’ updates on ESPN.com. I’ve pulled up the .com homepage once in the last month, after switching to Yahoo! for general sports news.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:25 PM
Mike- did you read Drew’s first line?
“I’d be lying if said that, at least up until now, I wasn’t a huge Bill Simmons fan.”
Just because he went off on a rant about Simmons’ smug attitude doesn’t mean he hasn’t appreciated him in the past.
or perhaps the very end…
“This is a satire site. That means everyone gets made fun of. Including, and especially me.”
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 PM
I’ve bashed Simmons in the past, but I still read him. When he’s not blathering on about the Pats or Sox, he is entertaining. Sure, his columns can become somewhat rote, but he can still hit one out of the park when he writes about something in his wheelhouse, such as the NBA. Simmons was the right guy at the right time, and he capitalized upon it. More power to him.
Here’s another vote for Dan Wetzel at Yahoo. His running diary of the first 2 day’s of the NCAA’s, always done from a bar, are highly entertaining. He’s one of the best of the younger, Simmons like columnists.
As for blogs, I’ve found myself drifting farther and farther away from Deadspin. When they first hit the ground running, I was thrilled by their content. But I don’t spend nearly as much time reading Leitch as once did. The comments have become Fark-like pissing contests. Gawker FUBARed up the site only to encourage more click throughs. There are now plenty of places to get the same, if not better, content than Deadspin. Sure, I love getting the occasional link from Deadspin, who wouldn’t? But I don’t blog for the sake of just getting attention from the 800 pound gorilla of sports blogs.
when it comes to SI’s Gorrant, and his comments, it just comes off as more whining from the old guard journalists who just don’t get it. How many bloggers actually consider themselves “Experts?” We’re just fans who aren’t getting the info we wanted from our local or national MSM. Are bloggers as good of writers when compared to those who get paid to do so? Probably not. But for the most part, bloggers are hella more entertaining.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:35 PM
I haven’t read a Simmons column in almost two years because, as The Fan’s Attic pointed out, his pop-culture references and jokes haven’t changed since he started. Comparing the 1972 Celtics to the latest episode of 90210 was funny the first time I read it. The 20 times following? Not so much.
He really did nail that niche market when he first started at ESPN and I’m all about giving kudos where they’re deserved. But I noticed towards the end when I quit reading him, Simmons started becoming more and more about being another ESPN “celebrity” and not the average sports fan he started out as.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:35 PM
I like Bill Simmons just fine, but his wife is hilarious too. Have you read her on ESPN? They should make her a regular.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:37 PM
My only problems with Simmons are:
1. He uses the same jokes, and the same format over, and over, and over, and over. It’s not cool. Come up with some new stuff.
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2. He thinks he’s a total expert on all things basketball. When someone says that, I think they give up the right to play the “don’t bash me guys, I’m just a comedy writer” card.
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:44 PM
Gotta agree with Big Al. Deadspin’s new layout is totally unfriendly and I “only” end up going there 2-3 times a day instead 5-10 like I used to. Take that for what it’s worth.
Re: Bill Simmons: Right place, right style, right time. I’ve heard somewhere that comedians have usually a 5 year lifespan unless they totally change their schtick (i.e. George Carlin 1960s, George Carlin now). In that regard, they are a lot like quality running backs. Only the really great ones last.
I’ll admit, I used to be all over Simmons in college. Like the female writers of my college newspaper who wanted to be Carrie Bradshaw, I wanted to be the FSU Bill Simmons. Now, if I miss an article, oh well, but I catch him when I can. Similar to my opinion on the Daily Show.
I did make an interesting connection the other day, if anyone would like to opine. I compared Bill Simmons to Joe Bob Briggs, formerly of TNT’s MonsterVision. If, you are not familiar with Joe Bob, nevermind. But if you did see, does that comparison hold water?
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:56 PM
The only reason we pick on Simmons so much is because it bothers him so much.
Oh, and because he’s an arrogant fuckface.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Unsilent Majority…so that rant was just “making fun” of Bill Simmons? That blog had more hate for the Sports Guy than John Rocker does for a gay black man. It was ridiculous. You call him smug, but what about KSK spending 73 freaking pages worth of posts about its own “birthday?” And what was up with the ending? He’s mad because Simmons doesn’t drop the F bomb? Ok…
Look, everyone – maybe everyone outside of Mass. – gets a little tired of his references to Boston teams. BUT HE’S FROM FREAKIN BOSTON!! Shouldn’t that be expected? He still talks about a wide range of sports teams/players, but he makes references to people like Bird and Brady because he’s from that region and those are the teams and players he knows most about. I don’t mind some of the stuff KSK does, but that unhealthy hatred for one writer that you could just easily ignore is pretty sad
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Dagger!
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:08 PM
Did anybody read Simmons’s last Vegas column? The first half is him talking about how great he is since he drove there. I know he was trying for something different with his Vegas column, but damn was that the most boring thing I’ve ever read. It’s a shame because his original Vegas columns were one of the things that got me excited about me first trip there.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 PM
There were 73 pages of KSK birthday shout-outs?
I think I only saw 25 or so. Damn, now I have to go back and see the rest.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 PM
‘You call him smug, but what about KSK spending 73 freaking pages worth of posts about its own “birthday?†‘
They’re jokes. We made up a bunch of fake birthday greetings. In case you hadn’t noticed we make a joke out of everything, including our glorious birthday.
We called Simmons smug after his dismissive comments regarding the blogosphere. Unlike just about everything we say, he was serious. Seriously douchey.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:19 PM
Yes, I understood they were jokes. But why is doing as many of those birthday greetings as you did funny – good stuff by the way – but when Simmons has running jokes it’s just tired? I know I’m going to sound like a hypocrite here for bitching about one damn post, but like i said before if something is so terrible, why keep going back? And as far as his dismissive comments regarding the blogoshphere, what do you expect when most bloggers just constantly rag about him? You want him to praise those bloggers? He said one little subtle thing about bloggers, and that led to that huge rant. It’s the same idea.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:31 PM
But why is doing as many of those birthday greetings as you did funny – good stuff by the way – but when Simmons has running jokes it’s just tired?
Because we haven’t been doing it since the late ’90’s!
I think it’s ridiculous for Simmons to thumb his nose at blogs and their readers because we’re doing what–some would say–he started. Mocking TBL and it’s alleged 3,000 readers is just pathetic for a guy who came from humble beginnings. He’s not a journalist, he’s a fan who can provide opinion and humor who happens to write for the WWL. For a guy who probably writes most of his stuff in his underwear he sure is quick to mock bloggers.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:32 PM
I’m not really a big fan of Simmons. He’s okay, but nothing I’d be dying to read everyday.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:33 PM
Simmons is funny for 30-somethings who like their pop culture references laid out like cadavers on gurneys. Hit me with the reference; don’t explain it to me in the very next sentence.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:36 PM
Gee, Steve, if you don’t like it, then don’t read KSK. There’s something called “choice” out here on these durn Internets.
Simmons was great. Simmons has lost his fastball. He’s not what he used to be. But even so, he’s still better than almost anything out there in the mainstream when it comes to writing entertaining columns on a regular basis.
He’s not, however, a writer. And he has no accountability. The number of flat-out errors that he prints are embarassing. I’m not talking spelling blunders; I’m talking straight-up factual errors. But when it comes to mixing sports culture and pop culture, he’s the flagbearer.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:40 PM
The problem with Simmons is that, outside of the NBA, he doesn’t know shit about sports.
I like his writing and I think he’s funny, but he uses anecdotal evidence as some type of actual analysis when it comes to athletics. That’s not groundbreaking. That’s just being a hack.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:45 PM
So him being successful since the 90’s is a bad thing? In a span that long there is going to be SOME repition. And you’re right Nuke, it is about choice, but I don’t hate KSK as a whole. Deadspin, TBL and KSK are three sites I visit numerous times on a daily basis. I just think the whole “I used it love Bill Simmons but now I hate him and I’m going to post an enormous blog about it” is getting really old. It would be nice to go a day or two without reading about that. Oh well, no one is changing anyone’s mind here I guess, so I’ll keep reading him and looking forward to the jokes he has that are funny, and people who hate him can keep hating him.
July 3rd, 2007 at 8:58 PM
I think Deadspin is the most successful sports site since Bill Simmons’ original stuff on the Internet, and it mostly comes down to talent. Simmons and Will Leicht are doing different things, but being topical is what makes both of them relevant.
The Daily Show is more than comedy, and so is Simmons. Deadspin is, too. My concern with Simmons is that he seems to be pandering to a larger audience. Believe it or not, when Jim Rome started on the radio back in Southern California in the mid 1990s, he was great. He was smart, funny, even refreshing. As demand for his show grew, he seemed to get away from the stuff that made it good. And I swear I’m not trying to be a hipster here – I like plenty of popular things. Jim Rome is no longer relevant in sports, but Simmons certainly is. I just hope that Simmons is able to grab ahold of what’s really made him obscenely popular and focus on that. The Vegas stuff was great, but I refuse to believe he’s a one-trick pony.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:11 PM
yea he is a regular on my blog
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:17 PM
The reason everyone (myself included) thinks Simmons has lost his fastball is because his stuff isn’t as fresh anymore. Back in ‘01, his writing was innovative and funny as hell. Now there are so many people doing humor/pop culture/sports. I don’t think his writing has necessarily gotten worse, it’s just that we’ve gotten used to it and his schtick has gotten a little old. I still read everything he writes though.
And I must be a one of the few around here who can’t stand Deadspin. The comments constantly seem to be amateur stand up comedy hour. It’s like the guy posts something, and all the commenters trip over themselves trying to come up with the “snarkiest” one-liner about the topic. Seems like sports are never discussed there. Got old for me quick.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:18 PM
I think turning yourself into a “brand-name” by getting in early and being different are key. Simmons is the Coke of snarky sports writers. I still like him and Coke, but neither of them are going to change.
You can see the same thing happening in the sports blog ‘verse, which I think is fascinating. Deadspin has made itself the brand name. In my opinion, the site is kind of “bleh”, but I still check it out. It’s mostly a circle jerk for a bunch of spare commenters to see who ends up eating the soggy biscuit. If I didn’t know Deadspin was the big dog, I wouldn’t think it was much special. But, it got out there early and is huge. And that kind of momentum feeds upon itself.
If a sports blogger is just looking to talk sports and get a comment here or there, that’s easy to start up. If you have any aspirations of success (financial or otherwise), you have to stand out. I think TBL has been somewhat successful with that and I think KSK has as well. KSK took the “Watch me spooge on this chick’s face as I talk about sports” approach and it was different. And they were good at it. I took them out of my reader because I got bored of it, but there’s an audience for that and they nailed it.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:21 PM
Yeah. I didn’t say the commenters were talented. Leitch is. And I realy don’t like the Deadspin sub-culture nearly as much I like Leitch’s ability to set the table. Ironic, since I’m commenting here, but I don’t think commenting makes much sense at all. There’s got to be a better way to do feedback, doesn’t there? It’s just not possible to keep up with stuff this way.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:25 PM
I like reading about what people think of Bill Simmons WAY more than actually reading anything Simmons writes.
July 3rd, 2007 at 9:38 PM
Sports Guy Mailbag > deadspin commenters
SG needs more mailbag and rumblings. When he ‘blogs’ now is when he seems to be at his best.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:01 PM
“When he ‘blogs’ now is when he seems to be at his best.”
The ironing is delicious.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 PM
I’m over people criticizing everything: Simmons, TBL, KSK, Deadspin, etc. It reminds of a moment in the ‘Homerpalooza’ Simpsons episode:
Teen1: Oh, here comes that cannonball guy. He’s cool.
Teen2: Are you being sarcastic, dude?
Teen1: I don’t even know anymore.
I’m not sure what everyone wants. A perfect sports site/blog/writer that’s funny and fresh but also has expertise and inside scoops that will post 15 times per day and is formatted to your liking? You can find all of that if you expand your feed readers to more than TBL and Deadspin.
I prefer to enjoy everything for what it is and take it post by post. Sometimes I enjoy it, sometimes I don’t. Such is life. But it’s rarely something to get worked up over.
One of the great parts of the rising popularity of blogs is that if you don’t like something or you think you have something to offer, you can try to do it yourself.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 PM
I agree with Casey’s take. For whatever reason, Simmons generates highly passionate responses from online readers. Hearing people discuss him is more entertaining than actually reading him.
I’ve never been too impressed with him, but I have also never followed him too much. The few times I read him, he comes across as either a) nerdy or b) a “funny guy” who operates under the same system as the national media. It’s like if he writes a column comparing NBA teams to sitcoms, he ACTUALLY believes what he’s saying.
At times, I think he really believes everything he says and forgets what his original point was.
July 3rd, 2007 at 10:50 PM
It isn’t Simmons’ fault that he found a successful niche and now there are a million guys trying to emulate it. Like most, I get a little tired of hearing about Pop Simmons or The Sports Gal or how big Tom Brady’s bowel movement was this morning, but you take the good with the bad. As one of six NHL fans in the US, I got a kick out of his NHL entry draft blog.
Ditto about the tiresome commenters on Deadspin and their +1 circle jerking.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 PM
“KSK took the “Watch me spooge on this chick’s face as I talk about sports†approach”
I’m afraid you have us confused with Woody Paige’s conversations with his makeup artist.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:05 PM
A great point was made earlier. Simmons is a pussy trying to fool you into thinking he’s a man’s man. The over/under on his getting arrested in drag is six months.
July 3rd, 2007 at 11:06 PM
One guy from ESPN that I do despise is Skip Bayless. A buddy of mine just told me to check out his Wikipedia page. Check it out before they remove some of the edited content. Pretty funny stuff.
“In the segment, he constantly bashes the best superstars in sports with absolutely no basis or backing. In 2007, he became the official spokesperson for Haterade.”
July 4th, 2007 at 12:13 AM
Jesus, Steve. I swear everyone will stop making fun of Sports Guy… if you just tell us what his spadge tastes like.
July 4th, 2007 at 12:22 AM
It’s interesting to watch things unfold as people continue to realize that the internet is an entirely new medium for news, sports, commentary, and the like. Bloggers and people like Bill Simmons realized that a long time ago, and they have altered their style and content accordingly.
Sure, many “sports writers” these days don’t go to the games or actually talk to the athletes they quote, laud, ridicule, etc. But increasingly, “average joes” in the blogosphere are doing a better job of publishing news and commentary out in a timely manner and in a style that makes people want to read it. That’s what puts the daily newspaper in a bind.
Having said that, I don’t think good journalism in the classic sense is going anywhere. Writers that emulate Bill Simmons and the like will continue to emerge, and they will gain popularity. But the Jim Murrays, the Rick Reillys, the Steve Rushins of the world will never be without a job either.
July 4th, 2007 at 1:42 AM
Simmon’s column on the anniversary of the death of Len Bias remains one of my favorite pieces of sportswriting. Plenty of his stuff doesn’t do it for me, but I check him out now and then for a laugh. And at least he throws some theories and ideas out there to think about and doesn’t just bash everyone else’s.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:54 AM
quick thought I had while reading through the comments…
Ever think the WWL is forcing him to be repetitive?
There is no doubt in my mind that he’s been directed to keep his tone/running jokes/shtick the same as it’s been. ESPN is run by corporate fucktards whose only concern is generating revenue, not keeping it fresh and experimenting. In their mind, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. for every long-time reader that gives up on his endless parade of pop culture references there are 3 fresh faced readers to take their place…
Maybe I’m giving him too much credit, but I honestly think he is smart enough to realize that people might get tired of the same j-bug anecdotes but there is simply nothing he can do about it, he’s handcuffed.
July 4th, 2007 at 3:58 AM
Seeing as we’re talking about the mass masturbation antics of Deadspin commenters, did anyone catch the overwhelming hypocrisy over the horrible Daulerio piece about the Benoit case? That shit exposed Deadspin as a place for utter wankers.
They, the commenters seriously defended the comedic value of a joke laughing at the weakness of a murdered seven year old. They managed to disappear up their own postmodern arses.
In contrast KSK is a breath of fucking fresh air compared to the tired sitcom references that pass as commentary on Deadspin (by the way tired sitcom references are Simmons’ thing, KSK comes up with its own shit).
July 4th, 2007 at 4:03 AM
First good job TBL you are not scared of deadspin, because 98% of the other blogs would have taken the comments talking bad about deadspin down. They know what leitch and his sheep can do to destroy a blog, just ask CSTB.
Bloggers can’t take a joke. I have been to blogs where guys have said SG sucks and lets fuck with his wife. Then they expect him to be nice. Do a google search and you will find it.
SG is just like all the blogs, they are all arogant and act like their opinion is the only one that matters.
July 4th, 2007 at 2:18 PM
you know, si.com hired jay mohr for maybe a year to write a weekly column (as guess it was a takeoff of simmons, who i loathe) and that was hysterical.
i guess the difference was that mohr was actually funny, well-written (to be kind, subject matter aside, simmons will never let anyone forget john grisham) and mohr didn’t write about the same three subjects over and over and over and over and over again.
and again.
July 4th, 2007 at 6:09 PM
TBL is one of a handful of sports blogs that I enjoy reading. I don’t know who these guys are but they speak in a very distinct voice that I’m feeling. I get my news from OutSports as well. A lot of the sports blogs out there (75%) spend a lot of time translating cultural nuances of, for example, Black athletes for the white guys who only know black folks on tv, so I miss a lot of their points and humor (s’okay, different strokes for different folks). I enjoy the fact that this blog is so well rounded and inclusive without losing any of its hetero-sports swagger, but they’re not racist or homophobic (unlike 75% of Deadspin comments, in my opinion).
July 4th, 2007 at 9:41 PM
I read Simmons until his bashing of the Colts hit an all-time high this past season. The Pats beat Marty Shottenheimer and it was a great comeback. The Colts beat the Cheifs and its because Herm is a horrible playcaller.
July 4th, 2007 at 10:46 PM
I gotta say, I appreciate what a breath of fresh air this blog is. It seems like one of the few blogs around where honest to God intellegent commentary on sports and sports media/biz takes place. I’ve been checking out different blogs for about 6 months now and this has to be the first time I read a post and and commenter discussion where the name “Bill Simmons” could be uttered without the words “fucktard,” “pussy,” “douche bag,” or “queer” popping up in the same sentence in the vast majority of cases. It’s much appreciated and it’s one of the reasons I stick with this site (along with the smokin’ hot girls).
As for my take, I think the reason Simmons is so polarizing and draws such strong responses from readers doesn’t really have anything to do with him as much as the fact that he is by far the M.S.M.’s most prominent and most widely read writer on the internet. Because of that, less talented blogers trying to make names for themselves are quick to play the “Us vs. Them” card and and take blind shots at him just for the sake of falling in line with the common idea of the M.S.M. being the hated enemy and he is in a sense their leader since he’s their biggest name. I bet a lot of people that bash him out there don’t even read him. I can’t read minds and I could be wrong, but that’s what it feels like in a lot of cases.
But, that doesn’t mean their points don’t have some merrit. There’s no doubt that Simmons is not the writer he used to be. If you go back and read his older stuff, a good example would be his Sox book, rarely a column would go by that I didn’t find myself laughing out loud. I devoured that book and loved it, and I’m a Yankees fan for God sake! In contrast, take a look at some of his newer stuff, even within the last six months. It’s just not the same. I still read his stuff regularly and there are still be laughs to be had, but they are not nearly as hard of frequent as in the old days. The best example is his latest Vegas column a few people have mentioned here. That thing was awful! I can’t help but wonder if he was aware of how much of a bomb it was or if he legitimantly thought that was a good column.
July 5th, 2007 at 6:56 AM
As far as Simmons goes, I don’t agree with everyone that jumps all over him. I think the reason that happens is because Simmons has a very focused audience; 30 something sports fans. His references make them laugh, and there is nothing wrong with that. The people that bash him are the generation slightly after his own, the 20 something (and younger) sports fans, to whom his references just aren’t as funny. Those same fans though, happen to be the ones writing blogs, so Simmons gets ripped in them all the time. Simple as that. Now a caveat; I do think a lot of his actual sports stuff deserves to get ripped. Like his crazy NBA playoff restructuring ideas. Those ideas were just poorly thought out, and David Stern himself destroyed Simmons’ logic on them on the BS Report that week. What shouldn’t be so sternly ripped though, is his schtick. I personally am not crazy about it, but the guy has a target audience that enjoys it, and he is looking to please that audience, so more power to him.
July 6th, 2007 at 3:33 AM
How many postings does the TBL and those of their ilk have to run on Big Billy Simmons? You guys are starting to come off like the jealous indy emo band who’s pissed that some other indy emo band got signed and paid. Billy pioneered a form of sports writing on the internet of comparing sports happenings to everday life and current popular culture which basically means he bent over ah la Ms. Spears and squeezed your turds out like a lincoln log giving birth to an ungrateful bastard child biting the hand that feeds him. I enjoy the Big Lead, the different perspectives your postings provide and the ease of navigating it without all the problems surfing for porn causes… I just think you oughta lay off bashing Big Ballsack Boston Billy Superbowl Sleepin Probably Cheats on His Wife With Multiple Women Simmons as filler… Run some more boring baseball talk zzzzzzz…. I ran out of herb and i need a nap….
July 6th, 2007 at 6:06 AM
“the guy’s got enough F U money not to care what you think.”
Really? Do you have a number or are you just speculating?