Death Threats from Jose Lima and a Writer Who Enjoys Blogs – An Interview with Yahoo’s Jeff Passan
Uncategorized November 21st. 2007, 11:55am
Consider this an appetite to turkey – an interview with Yahoo baseball writer Jeff Passan. Prior to venturing into the online world, he interned at the Washington Post and worked in Fresno and Kansas City. He’s into Scrabble, In-and-Out Burger, and of course, is against a salary cap.
Q: Fresno, Washington, Kansas City. Three cities you’ve worked in. Care to rank them in terms of a) having a life and b) journalism hotbed?
I love Kansas City. I met my wife there. I really learned how to be a journalist there, too. Mike Fannin is an absolute titan, and no one recognizes him as such because he works in Missouri. Give him a paper in New York, and it’ll be the best in the city within a year. Guarantee it. He gets what we do. He thinks in story. When he edits one — and even though he runs the sports and feature sections at the Star, he manages to get his paws on raw copy — it’s always better in the end.
In the last two years, he has sent Wright Thompson and Liz Merrill to ESPN.com, where they’ve brought a real storytelling flair, and Jason King to Yahoo!, where in two months he’s established himself as a preeminent voice on colleges. Joe Posnanski is among the best writers in the business, Jason Whitlock is a must-read columnist, and both of them have stayed in Kansas City because, among other things, their loyalty to Fannin. He’s a kingmaker, and I owe a lot to him.
Fresno gets a bad rap. It’s three hours from San Francisco, a little more than three from L.A. and within driving distance of Vegas. I had a great time there.
I can’t speak authoritatively on Washington because I spent only three months there as an intern. The city is obviously the best of the three. And it is the Washington Post, one of the few places that lives up to its reputation. Mike Wilbon constructs an opinion better than anyone, Eli Saslow is brilliant, Dave Sheinin is the best pure writer covering baseball today, Barry Svrluga epitomizes baseball beat writing and Dan Steinberg is one of two or three newspaperpeople who legitimately gets blogs. It’s a great staff. I have nothing bad to say about the Post, other than I was bummed that they didn’t hire me after the internship.
Q: At one time, Fresno was known for having a solid pipeline of journalists. It was a launching pad of sorts for writers. There’s your Yahoo counterpart Woj, the Washington Post’s Eric Prisbell, and ESPN’s Andy Katz. Do you guys keep in touch? What do you think made the environment so conducive to journalism success?
About two months before I started at the Bee, John Canzano had left to take a job in San Jose. Someone told me to read his farewell column before I started. The lede captures the essence of Fresno: “Outsiders will not believe me. They will wave their hands at the whole thing. The stories. The characters. The wild twists and unpredictable turns things in Fresno always seemed to take. All of it fiction, they will say. You and I know better.”
Now, when your sports section covers an athletic department that’s been systemically corrupt for ages, the stories will be there. You’ll have your academic fraud and your alleged point-shaving and your illegal phone calls. But a basketball player wielding a samurai sword? A women’s basketball coach with implants who has a Botox billboard around town — and it turns out she’s abusing painkillers? A cold-blooded murder?
I covered a player named Terry Pettis. He was a bright kid with a lot of anger who got caught up in drugs. He beat up his girlfriend and vandalized her car, got arrested and was reinstated. Fresno State was the worst enabler I’ve ever seen. About three months later, Terry tried to rob a drug deal inside a car and shot a 18-year-old girl in the head. He received a life sentence. Not even Rae Carruth got life.
Even though Fresno State is a huge part of the community, the Bee doesn’t discourage the pursuit of stories bound to generate controversy. It let Eric go after the school for academic fraud. It helped Adrian and John and John Branch develop their voices as columnists, and they’re all great at it, and great guys to boot. We’ve got a bond, sure. When you’ve lived in Fresno, you’re bound to.
Q: What’s the biggest difference between writing for a website such as Yahoo and writing for a newspapers? Are there pros and cons?
Eyeballs. At Yahoo!, we get tens of millions of readers. The biggest newspaper in America has 2 million. And it’s not like our growth is stagnating, either.
There are so many pros: No worries about travel budget, deadlines that allow you to really write, greater interaction with readers, the ability to live wherever. Then there is Yahoo!-specific stuff like the autonomy, the camaraderie in spite of physical distance, the fact that making the front page of sports is a legitimate challenge because we’ve got such a talented group.
Cons? Um … bad press box seating? I mean, seriously, that’s the worst I can come up with. It’s not even a con. So long as you work for a site with a boss like Dave Morgan, who has great vision, and the kind of staff we’ve got, the Web is Valhalla.
Q: Were there any writers you looked up to while you were high school or college?
I grew up in Cleveland, so I read The Plain Dealer, which means I got exposed at a very early age to the way bad management can foster mediocrity. My dad worked there for 41 years, as a writer first and then an editor. He was my first teacher and my best, a role he continues today even in retirement.
In college, I studied the usual suspects: Gary Smith, Steve Rushin, Bill Plaschke, Mike Vaccaro. More than any of them, though, I read the guys at our college paper. Pete Thamel, who does such a great job on colleges at the New York Times, was my first editor. Greg Bishop, who now covers the Jets for the Times, was my right-hand man when I was sports editor, and we had a pretty unbelievable staff: Eli Saslow, Chico Harlan (who’s living and writing in Sydney), Dave Curtis (Orlando), Darryl Slater (Richmond), Pete Iorizzo (Albany), Chris Carlson (Berkshire, Mass.) and Chris Snow (who covered the Red Sox for the Globe and could be running a hockey franchise any day now). It’s been a pleasure to see so many of those guys succeed.
Q: We feel strongly that baseball needs a salary cap. One of our baseball buddies argues that there shouldn’t be a cap, but a minimum spending threshold. Where do you stand on the issue?
No cap. Why restrict the free market? If the last seven years have shown you anything, it’s that the biggest payroll guarantees nothing. Huge-money guys, by and large, do not work out. Look at the $100 million-plus contracts in baseball. A-Rod? Traded. Jeter. Good. Manny? Good, but Boston still tries to trade him every year. Helton? No. Hampton? No. Giambi? No. Griffey? No. Kevin Brown? No. Soriano, Zito, Beltran and Carlos Lee are still up in the air, but all leaning toward no. The only no-brainer yes for the money is Pujols. And since signing those contracts, how many of them have won World Series? Two: Manny and Pujols. Winning in baseball, as in all sports, is more smart management than money. And it’s not like a salary cap prevents the Patriots, the best team in football, from signing the top free agent on the market, Adalius Thomas, and trading for a physical freak who catches four touchdowns in a half.
As for a salary floor: Great idea, never will happen. The union won’t let it. Once there’s a floor, the argument goes, it’s only a matter of time before a ceiling is set. I guess I understand the sentiment. I just wish there was more accountability for guys like Jeffrey Loria, who is an absolute embarrassment.
Q: The two biggest baseball stories this offseason have been incredibly negative to the sport – the greed of Scott Boras and A-Rod, and the indictment of Barry Bonds. When you couple that with the boring postseason and World Series, plus the impending release of PED users from the Mitchell Investigation … where’s the good news? How much does the bad news hurt?
One thing I noticed over the course of this season was the surplus of young talent. By young, I mean 25 and under, and when you go through the list, it’s incredible to think these guys are all a few years away from the primes of their careers. The everyday players are ridiculous: Hanley Ramirez, Jose Reyes, Grady Sizemore, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Prince Fielder, the Upton brothers, Joe Mauer, Ryan Braun, Russell Martin, Troy Tulowitzki, Billy Butler, Robinson Cano, Alex Gordon, Dustin Pedroia, Matt Kemp, Jacoby Ellsbury, Yunel Escobar, Delmon Young. The pitchers aren’t quite as good, but still: Fausto Carmona, Felix Hernandez, Justin Verlander, Cole Hamels, Joba Chamberlain, Scott Kazmir, Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Phil Hughes, Yovani Gallardo, K-Rod, Manny Corpas.
Baseball has a new generation of players, most of whom weren’t even in the minor leagues when all the steroid nonsense began, so why not market them? I’m not naive enough to believe all of the guys on the above list are clean, but I do think it’s a lower percentage than the game’s older generation. When these guys get older and their bodies start breaking down, maybe that will change.
Bad news is bad news. Baseball absorbs its fair share, and people keep going to games, revenues keep growing and owners and players keep getting richer. There’s going to be a tipping point with ticket prices and salaries. It’s not close yet. And the day will come when these 9 p.m. Eastern starts to the World Series come to roost. But for now, and for the foreseeable future, baseball is a very healthy game.
Q: Athletes are notorious for dugout blowups. Ever have anyone go off on you?
Jose Lima threatened to kill me once. That was a good one. It was for the most benign thing in the world, too. I needed an off-day notebook lede, and Lima was starting. It was April, the Royals were the worst team in baseball already and Lima went off on the team for being too uptight. They didn’t take too kindly to it, because Lima was pretty much the worst pitcher ever that year. Seriously, his ERA was 6.99, which is the highest in history for a full season.
Unfortunately, I was upstairs when the big blowup happened. A radio reporter came up and told me that Lima was saying I’d misquoted him and that he was going to kick my ass. So I went downstairs, walked up to him and told him I’d be happy to play him the interview on my tape recorder. He said he didn’t want to hear it and that I was a piece of shit and that was that.
We made up later in the week. Lima Time’s a good guy. He just loves the sound of his own voice.
Oh, and Terry Pettis threatened to kill me, too, when he saw me walk into his girlfriend’s apartment after she agreed to talk with me for a story. In hindsight, I probably should have been more scared than I was.
Q: Blogs are known to take shots at writers – some fair, others not so much – and we’re curious a) how you handle them, and b) if writers know.
I love it when blogs smoke me. It means they’re reading. And as a writer, that’s all I care about. They might love me, they might hate me, but they’re clicking on that hyperlink even though my byline is on it.
Sometimes they bring up good points, too. I appreciate a good fisking. Fire Joe Morgan eviscerated me when I argued that Omar Vizquel is a Hall of Famer. A lot of what they said made sense. But they’re also so single-minded when it comes to their baseball analysis — numbers, numbers, numbers — it borders on obnoxious. It’s sports zealotry.
Their kind of arrogance poisons the blogosphere. It should be the marketplace of ideas personified. Instead, rather often it devolves into a spiteful place where people, unbending in their ways, turn a conversation into a shouting match. Like, if you’re not with us, you’re our enemy.
Five quick hit questions:
Best bar in whatever town you live in? – Marriage and fatherhood have rendered me a complete homebody since coming to Chicago. I’m moving back to Kansas City in the near future, and I can say unequivocally that it’s a place called the Quaff. Must’ve closed down the place 100 times in my two years in KC.
Reaction to Rick Reilly’s move to ESPN? – No sportswriter is worth $2 million a year.
Favorite board game? – Scrabble. NERD is only 5 points.
Ever been in a fight? – Third grade. On a soccer sideline. He got in a good shot but I broke his glasses.
Fast Food Chain you’re most likely to be seen eat in. – In-N-Out burger. Double-double animal style. Heaven.
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November 21st, 2007 at 12:09 PM
good stuff
November 21st, 2007 at 12:12 PM
Hmmmm. FJM’s “arrogance” is borne of annoyance with analysts that spout off stupid things in order to garner page views. Like, for example, saying that Vizquel should be in the hall of fame.
November 21st, 2007 at 12:22 PM
Wow. I assumed that FJM’s article would be good, and boy howdy. Witness the arrogance:
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2006/05/dont-forget-experts-know-better-than.html
November 21st, 2007 at 12:23 PM
I liked the interview — good stuff. Never read Passan before. Dude looks like he is a college intern.
November 21st, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Nice interview. I’m going to have to check him out. I agree with him on the KC Star and the shout out to the Quaff.
November 21st, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Marty, I LOVED that link you posted. I thought Omar should be in the Hall, but that link may have changed my mind.
November 21st, 2007 at 12:34 PM
Did Passan get stuck for his Apple iPhone, and have to log in to read this?
November 21st, 2007 at 12:39 PM
I actually give you kudos, Jeff Passan, for the restraint shown in this clause. Look at all the excuse-me phrases and words in here: “acquitted himself,” “well enough,” “consideration.” It’s almost like you just checked the numbers for the first time and realized maybe this article wasn’t such a great idea after all, but hey, what the hell, he still merits “consideration.”
FJM is great.
November 21st, 2007 at 12:42 PM
Omar should be in the HOF, and FJM can suck my balls. Yeah, I get it. Red Sox and math are awesome. Hopefully one day we can eliminate humans and just have computers run the games for us!
November 21st, 2007 at 12:52 PM
9: You convinced me. Let’s let anyone that generates good copy be in the hall of fame. How about that David Eckstein? If you could measure hustle, he’d be off the charts…and he’s damn sure not a computer!
November 21st, 2007 at 1:05 PM
I often sit back and think of all the great copy Vizquel generated over the years…like that one story about his defense? Awesome! Great copy.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:05 PM
FSRN, like it or not, baseball is a game best measured by numbers. If you can measure a person’s value to a team, wouldn’t you want to do so? Just because you ‘feel’ a person is good, doesn’t make them good. That’s the basic premise of FJM. Well that, and Joe Morgan is an insufferable and horrible baseball commentator.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:09 PM
In my opinion, Passan is the best national baseball writer. He always finds interesting topics – not just the usual Verducci/Gammons/Heyman slop of BS trade rumors and statements of the obvious. If you don’t read his stuff, you should.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:19 PM
I am in a group of 8 season-ticket holders for the A’s; have been for 8 years now. 5 of the guys love Moneyball, Baseball Prospectus, and Bill James’ nuts. 2 of us hate it (one owns a bar and doesn’t give a shit). I obviously am one of the two. We argue constantly about shit like VORP, WORP, EvQ or whatever. I just like to needle the nerds about their numbers. Like when they all figured Soriano would suffer when leaving Texas to go to RFK…how’d that work out?
November 21st, 2007 at 1:28 PM
FSRN, it’s all about trying to predict based on past performance and certain conditions. Using numbers is certainly a better way than just pulling a prediction out of your ass, like some, ok a lot, of sportswriters do. I can’t speak for everyone who sees the value of these stats, but it’s not as though I sit at a game and crunch the numbers in my head (partially because I suck at math). But when evaluating players, I’d prefer numbers based upon reason and logic rather than some schmuck writer’s usually uninformed opinion.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:33 PM
MS, that is the same argument my buddies give me, and it’s a good one. However, I still like to hate on it because I like to be a cock from time to time. I will never accept PECOTA and VORP into my life, just like I will never accept more than an index finger up the ass from my girlfriend during sex. What am I, gay?
November 21st, 2007 at 1:38 PM
FSRN, fair enough. And thank you for that visual. When I read that I couldn’t help but think of that scene from Team America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M-VKVitOuA
November 21st, 2007 at 1:41 PM
FSRN, Speaking of PECOTA, how about the time PECOTA predicted the White Sox to win 72 games in 2007, and Kenny Williams said: “That’s a good sign for us because usually they’re wrong about everything regarding our dealings,” general manager Ken Williams said. “What can you do? We put the best team together we can, and we think we’re going to end up somewhere in the mid-90s, although there are all kinds of variables off that.”
How many games did the Sox win in 2007?
Yeah, we can do one-off things like that all day, and it doesn’t mean much. Even if you hate stats, though, you have to appreciate a site like FJM, since they continually expose the idiocy that passes for sports commentary in traditional media (and in Joe Morgan’s head).
Oh, and I like Passan, but he deserved to be torn apart for that article. Even if you think Vizquel deserves to be in the Hall, you have to come up with actual reasons, and not a lot of misty reflections.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:05 PM
Passan was a hero when he exposed the absurdity of the baseball blackout system. He needs to get the ball rolling on that again. Definitely a good writer.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:28 PM
The only cool thing PECOTA has ever done is get Prof. Farnsworth and the Young bros. together to combat the evil Scott Boras and David Wineglass.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:49 PM
I like Passasn when he does the pieces like the blackout rules and other features. I hate when he tries to break the game down. But definitley a good feature writer.
November 21st, 2007 at 3:08 PM
i miss the dugout…
November 21st, 2007 at 3:38 PM
Jeff Passan
November 21st, 2007 at 3:43 PM
That was weird.
Their kind of arrogance poisons the blogosphere.
If by “poisoning the blogosphere,” you mean slamming your point of view in hilarious fahion, than sure.
November 21st, 2007 at 5:50 PM
he’s a butt-chin. you couldn’t find a more flattering photo of the kid? on the beach, sun half in his face and his hair messed up? no way i let you interview me now.
November 21st, 2007 at 6:05 PM
In the picture, I think Passan was going for that sophisticated, arrogant, douchebag look.
FJM is the shit and the Vizquel article was Godawful and needed to be shredded.
November 21st, 2007 at 8:06 PM
Nice interview.
And I’m glad he gave Fresno some credit. Despite a relatively crappy reputation, there are plenty of good things about the area, and the newspaper has produced some top shelf writers in recent years. You mentioned a number of them, and I appreciated Passan’s point. With all the crazy, crazy stuff that goes on around FSU, there’s plenty of good stuff to write about.
November 21st, 2007 at 9:20 PM
“In the picture, I think Passan was going for that sophisticated, arrogant, douchebag look.”
This pic of Passan was taken at his wedding, i.e. the happiest day of the dude’s life. He’s a good dude, a better person than writer. That should say a lot because he’s a great writer.
If you’ve never been to the Quaff, the Pop-a-shot battles are legendary. The only thing is that you’re guaranteed to leave smelling like smoke from three days ago.
November 21st, 2007 at 11:15 PM
Great interview, TBL. It was definitely one of your best.
I really like Passan’s stuff on Yahoo!, and his interview make me think more of him–seems like a good guy. I especially agree with him on the salary cap issue: There shouldn’t be one in baseball. It’s easy to say, “Oh look at the Yanks and Red Sox.” There’s more to it than that, though. There’s already revenue sharing in the game and taxes. What more can they impose? It’s the one issue I’ll commend Selig and Fehr on.
Anyway, hats off to Passan and TBL. It was a good read. And Fire Joe Morgan’s rebuttal on Omar really takes some of their credibility away in my eyes. Defensive ability can never be accurately measured by any metric. And all of these metrics should be backup in proving points on players, not the sole criterion. Those who love Sabermetrics and are intrigued by numbers needn’t be so afraid of some classic scouting and watching player’s mechanics in person.
November 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Come on TBL ——- I told you to stop doing nonsensical pieces on these journalistic doofuses. Panda Marchand, Junior Feinstein and now this sophomoric creep? Stop denigrating this site……
November 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 AM
Good interview, and Passan seems like a smart guy. But that Vizquel article is pretty weak, and it seems silly that he chooses to take a shot at FJM simply because they criticized something he wrote.
November 22nd, 2007 at 2:15 PM
So instead, reporters should analyze athletes based on their friendliness. Oh wait, they already do.
November 23rd, 2007 at 12:04 AM
Terry Pettis was a huge star here at Minneapolis Patrick Henry High School. Really wierd to have a guy I admired watching play point guard in high school end up a crazy murderer. Anyway, really entertaining interview, I used to be a big fan of Fire Joe Morgan and am finding it more and more mean spirited everyday.
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 AM
FJM is great and all, they’re funny, and they make good points. But Passan has one thing right- they are arrogant as fuck. It bugs me a lot, really limits my ability to read them. I have no problem with their ideas; I just all too often find myself hating the way they present those ideas.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:39 AM
Arrogant like … pretty much every single big city sports columnist (Plaschke, Simers, Muschnick, Shaughnessy, Mariotti, Le Batard, Kornheiser, Vecesey, etc., etc. etc.)
Got to punch the bullies, in order to shut them up.
November 24th, 2007 at 9:34 AM
Hey, Tom_Servo22 — you think the FireJoeMorgan guys are “arrogant as fuck,” but your link takes me to “FireJayMariotti.com,” where you rip off their site wholesale. WTF is wrong with you?