Roger Clemens Vis a Vis Brian Roberts
Baseball, Drugs, Mitchell Report December 19th. 2007, 12:19pm
Must we? Before we get into Clemens, a reader sent us a primer on Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts. Ready? Day after The List was revealed, Rick Maese (who’s usually good) penned this awful column about how Brian Roberts was wrongly named due to scant evidence. You see, the media loves Roberts, an undersized “heart” guy who willed his way into the bigs, he’s the son of a coach, blah, blah. He’s Eckstein with biceps. Even admitted cheater David Segui came out and defended Roberts! The Orioles went further – they took shots at the Michell Report after 19 O’s were named, and really were upset with Roberts being “lumped in” to a group of cheaters. Well, as we all know, Roberts came out Tuesday and admitted he used steroids.
This is why we don’t care for the statement Rogers Clemens made Tuesday. If Roberts was the only guy defended after The List was made public, and then he admitted to using, then it’s safe to assume everyone listed is guilty. NOBODY has raced to Rocket’s defense. No former teammates in Toronto, New York or Boston, and no front office types, either. Dan Wetzel drilled ESPN for its handling of Clemens (especially the name-calling of the trainer who fingered Rocket) and Sally Jenkins at the Washington Post made a good point here: So can we expect a subpoena for Roger Clemens? (Answer: Maybe!) We’d love to hear Bud or George Mitchell respond to it. But we won’t. In summation: F Clemens, he’s a cheater and shouldn’t be a first ballot HOFer (ditto for McGwire and Bonds), and let’s move on to the next topic. Some solid Mitchell-related reads below, including this line: “Every number in every box score is tainted — if we tried to adjust or nullify certain statistics, Bill James would end up in a rubber suit reading cereal box tops near a Wichita bus depot.”
It’s Time to Turn the Page on Report(Washington Post)
Nitkowski – tempted but clean – deserves your respect (CBS Sports)
ESPN Columnist lacks perspective (Naughty American)
Photo: Andy Altenburger/Icon SMI
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December 19th, 2007 at 12:27 PM
Roger Clemens should be getting raked through the coles as much as as Barry Bonds was.
And Brian Roberts only did it once, jeez. (sarcasm)
December 19th, 2007 at 12:29 PM
as a yankee fan, i was so pissed the day he got signed to that prorated big contract. he was nothing but a waste of money and waste of media coverage.clemens name has been involved in the talk of steroids for a long time. with his so called best buddy coming out and saying he did it twice for injuries, bs, makes the rocket even more guilty i presume. dont you think if you were accused of something that will tarnish your reptutation for life, that you would of came out publicly, w/o a lawyer and speak about the accusations. the rocket is hiding because he knows he got caught. he knows he is deep shit and is no doubt thinking how he can get out of this mess.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Congress is going to grill Clemens. Does he take the McGwire 5th? Or did he pay for his juice with cash and make sure there was no paper trail so he can deny, deny, deny?
December 19th, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Don’t you think this is most likely the last we will hear from Clemens.
I feel like if he were truly going to fight this, he would have something in place right now. My thoughts are he can’t actually respond due to the fact it could open him up to an actual investigation. What happens if he has to talk to congress, or worse a grand jury. Then he gets into Bonds territory. Perjury. He is much safer making these comments behind his lawyer and press releases.
I am inclined to think he is/was a juicer until proven otherwise.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:34 PM
I am not saying any of this due to any allegiance but isn’t it ALWAYS a safer bet to simply deny any and all allegations? I am pretty sure if at any time in my life I am accused of ANYTHING the only word coming from me would be “lawyer” I have watched Cold Case files on A&E enough to know that talking or admitting to anything just makes it easier to be found guilty. Also, with all of these players allegedly juiced, does that mean the ABSENSE of any allegations should vault you higher in HoF votes? I am just curious if anybody has looked at that angle yet… like Smoltz, Pedro, Glavine, Maddox are now probably even more great due to no steriod allegations. Thoughts?
December 19th, 2007 at 12:36 PM
throw steve avery in there magglio and you are right on about greatness of those aces
December 19th, 2007 at 12:39 PM
@ irishmafia
Well yeah, I am just saying even bubble guys HAVE to get in now if they didn’t juice right?
December 19th, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Is it wrong for me to be perversely disappointed that Eckstein wasn’t on the Mitchell Report? I guess Brian Roberts is as close as we’ll get. That’s funny stuff.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:51 PM
It honestly still cracks me up how many people are still surprised at what goes on with the PED’s in baseball. They are here to stay in one form or another.
If anything, “heart” guys like Roberts or more likely to use in my opinion just as Tia Tequila is more likely to get a boob job considering “she looks like a Munchichi”…taken from my favorite comment of the day on this site hands down.
December 19th, 2007 at 12:57 PM
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December 19th, 2007 at 12:58 PM
C’mon, Wichita did NOTHING to deserve that.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:07 PM
Maybe it’s just me, but…I don’t care.
I had stopped believing what 95% of the MLBers were saying and doing years ago. The whole generation is under suspicion and will remain so because their union put an iron curtain in front of the weak-willed owners and commish over testing…which no one wanted as they kept getting richer and richer.
There’s this tinge of nostalgia and “innocence” over baseball that hasn’t been there in over thirty years, but it’s kept alive by old sports writers who refuse to believe that maybe…just maybe…baseball’s just another sport.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:11 PM
Why can’t we believe any of these guys? I really want to believe Clemens, but my instinct is to call BS. Why can’t we believe them when they say “I didn’t do this.”
December 19th, 2007 at 1:12 PM
I agree with Fredo. Listening to the players about this is like listening to an NFL coach at a press conference… nothing but empty cliches, tons of promises and strong words that ultimately mean nothing, only once in a while, emotion (or conscious in baseball’s case) takes over and someone finally snaps and says the truth.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:13 PM
@Magglio
I don’t think the absence of any allegations should or will make those guys even more likely to get in to the HOF.
Voters and the general public should just acknowledge that this was the steroid era, take that into consideration, and adjust their votes/fans perception of greatness accordingly. The rest of the clean guys should be held to the same historical standard. Not Pedro is even greater because he didn’t juice; just that Clemens isn’t AS great.
Re: HOF and fan perception: I think McGwire is a good example. Nobody is taking away his records, nobody is denying how great 1998 was and what it did to the sport, just that the steroid cloud hangs over his head and thus affects his HOF chances and “greatness.”
December 19th, 2007 at 1:25 PM
goose are you defending Mcgwire?
are you defending the steroid era?
maybe the players should acknowledge that they cheated to get ahead and to get bigger salaries. the only reason why McGwire doesnt get bashed that much, is because the STL fans, and they hae a huge fan base, love his crater face. He brought a lot to that city, but he brought negative news to “Americas Favorite Pastime”.Mark McGwire should be hung. He is a disgrace to the irishmafia.
December 19th, 2007 at 1:34 PM
It doesn’t sound like The Goose is defending anyone. He’s just offering his opinion about how he thinks Clemens, et. al. will be viewed by fans and HOFers in the future. (I agree with him).
By the way, not saying any of the commenters here are guilty of this, but it will be funny to see the same good ol’ boys who wanted to deport Bonds to Sweden say “OK, fine. Clemens cheated. I don’t care. He’s confronted his demons. What more do you want from the poor guy???”
December 19th, 2007 at 2:06 PM
There are steroids in pro sports???
Yawn.
December 19th, 2007 at 2:14 PM
Marion Jones called. She wants her denial propaganda angle back.
December 19th, 2007 at 2:32 PM
I agree with Mag. Put something in the HOF where it talks about the steroid era and then vote on who we think were the best of the era.
irishmafia – I thought someone put out a fire on McGuire’s face with a pitch fork. Thats not how he got the crater face?
December 19th, 2007 at 7:12 PM
While I’m not condoning his steroid use, nor exonerating him for his admission of guilt when he could’ve let the matter rest, Roberts has been more of a man about this than Clemens. Well, that’s what Joey Harrington told me anyway.
But seriously, Roberts’ inclusion in the report was sketchy, and now that he’s admitted he used once in 2003…I mean, they are different degrees of guilt. I doubt the B-Rob you see today is still the benefactor of one steroid injection (back before there was a testing program, for what it’s worth). Suspend Roberts for 15 games like Jose Guillen was–another guy who I’m dubious on condemning–if you want to set an example. Otherwise, you’ve got virtually nothing on him compared to hard core PED users compared to Bonds or Clemens.
This would have been a lot easier if the Mitchell Report had, you know, been conducted with subpoena power. If there’s one thing idiot congressmen can agree on, it’s penalizing baseball players for ruining our national innocence. What a lovely fucking country.