Yes, Memphis Choked. Sorry, That’s How It Is.
College Basketball April 8th. 2008, 9:03am
There was 2:12 left on the clock, and a resigned serenity washed over us – it was over. And this wasn’t an attempt at applying the reverse jinx. It was over. Billy Packer-first-half-UNC-KU-Final-Four over. Down nine? The way Kansas had shot three’s? The way Rose handles? The way CDR had shot free throws lately? Done.
After a long Darrell Arthur jumper – “the worst shot you could possibly take,” Packer called it – Sherron Collins, he of the eyes that explode with wrath, stole an inbounds pass and drained a three. Hope was alive! Down nine to down four in mere seconds. It was at about this moment that the CDR clang show began, and although our rooting interest was for Kansas, it was impossible not to feel for the kid. All the talking heads who were certain Memphis had found a panacea for its foul line woes watched in abject horror as the charity stripe became a sinkhole of false promises. At this moment, it must have been debilitating to be rooting for Memphis.
More confounding disappointment soon followed: Collins darted down the floor in the waning moments and mysteriously wasn’t fouled (Calipari claims that was the plan, but kids mentally freeze up, like C Webb did in ‘93), and then Mario Chalmers got the ball and he wasn’t fouled either. His improbable, leaning, triple swished through the net. Bedlam and ballgame. Overtime was to follow, but KU fans could have started rioting in Lawrence at this precise moment. Pity Derrick Rose (full post coming on him, so save your breath).
So we’re two major sporting events into 2008, and we’ve seen two colossal chokes. Though some refuse to admit it, the New England Patriots – two touchdown favorites – gagged against the Giants. The Tigers, up nine last night with 122 seconds left and seemingly a lock to sew up the school’s first title, choked. The Masters is this weekend – wouldn’t that be something if Tiger faded down the stretch? The NBA playoffs are on the horizon (anyone smell a LeBron or Kobe choke?). Wouldn’t you just love another epic Yankees or Red Sox postseason collapse? We’d try to think of a similar fate unfolding in the Olympics, but we can’t name an athlete or a sport that’s taking place. As of now, 2008 is the Year of the Choke.
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April 8th, 2008 at 9:06 AM
I hate to agree with you TBL, but they sure did choke. I want to place the blame on CDR and Rose for not making those when they count, but if it wasn’t for those two the season would have been over a long time ago
April 8th, 2008 at 9:08 AM
FOULLLLLLLLLLLLL?!?!?!?!? you put them on the line and make them hit the free throws and have to get the ball back with under 3 seconds. i will never understand why they didn’t foul.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:08 AM
why do you hate to agree with me?
Because i went 3-for-3 at the F4 and cleaned up?
Because i predicted a 73-67 final and it was 75-68?
I apologize for the glee, but it’s a good morning here, despite the lack of sleep and my blasted Sirius radio signal fading in an out.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:08 AM
While I understand the nature of the “choke” talk, and I see it is pointed at CDR and Coach Cal, you do realize that Rose missed the biggest free throw of the game right? If he hits his two free throws, Chalmers shot only gets Kansas within one and Memphis wins the NC. If anyone choked, it was Rose. I still don’t think it was a choke job though, just a great great comeback by Kansas.
I would consider it choking if Memphis was down two with 1 second remaining and CDR missed the two free throws badly, or they had 5 turnovers down the stretch, etc. They missed a couple of free throws, but Kansas made some great plays. You play the same scenario 10 times, Kansas probably comes back just that once.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:08 AM
You foul when KU reaches half court. With two guys if you have to. Completely inexcusable.
Congrats, Jayhawks fans.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:09 AM
Whoa. Nice call on the score TBL. You soothsayer.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:09 AM
Total choke job by CDR and Rose you gotta make those.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:09 AM
@TBL- at least you won some coin. I lost 5 bills last night and have to actually work today. sucks
April 8th, 2008 at 9:10 AM
I can’t wait for Billy Packer to die.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:10 AM
I’ve never understood how a guy can hit a jump shot from just about anywhere on the court with three defenders around him and absolute chaos everywhere, but yet can’t make a set shot from 15 feet away with nothing between him and the basket, and no defenders around him.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:10 AM
Frauds. No bones about it.
@cursed: Re: last night’s thread — How can you possibly make a comment about FT shooting late in a game being random, then say with certainty, “You knew Lamar Odom was missing that FT” or “Lebron blah blah blah.”
So it’s random…unless it’s a player you think sucks…then it’s not?
April 8th, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Did coach Cal really say the kids were supposed to foul but froze up? Way not to throw the kids under the bus. what an ass!
April 8th, 2008 at 9:17 AM
I give up. After the Bucksx3 and the Indians 3 game choke I thought I could maybe enjoy some personal glory, winning my pool I set up every year, and lose, every year. But alas, no. Debilitating is a perfect word for what happened after that steal. I had started turning out the lights, was about to take the dog out, and all of a sudden it wasn’t over. I ended up on the couch watching in horror. I didn’t even want to watch OT, what was the point? Ugh. Sports can really suck sometimes. I don’t mind watching someone win a game against a team I am rooting for. But how many times do I have to watch my team lose?!?!?
April 8th, 2008 at 9:17 AM
No, Coach Cal didn’t say the kids froze up; i did.
re: Choke
It’s a choke, I think, ONLY because Memphis clanged all those FTs. That’s the only way KU hung around. If Memphis had drained the shot clock each time and simply missed a shot, and KU rallied, it would have been a comeback.
I think UNC coming back Saturday night was a comeback and not a choke. Sure, Kansas was playing foolish, and made plenty of mistakes, but they weren’t sitting there at the free thow line, where they DOMINATED all week, and then went brick city.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:18 AM
i hope CDR comes back for his senior year. i feel for the kid, but if you want to be in the NBA one day(ALdridge) you have to make the free throws.
im starting to not like when teammates come and give you a knuckle bump at the line. It fucks up the rhythm of the shooter.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:19 AM
I said this after the Super Bowl. The Pats did not choke against the Giants. Was it on the great upsets in SB history? Yes. Did they underperform and disappoint? Yes. Were they out coached? Absolutely. But they did not choke. If they had blown a late lead, then it would qualify as a choke.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:21 AM
@st. bear: Isn’t that exactly what they did? Eli “the people’s QB” Manning drove them to victory in the 4th quarter.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I think Rose is gone except for the missed free throw he stepped up big in the second half.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:22 AM
All of the “experts” said before the tourney started that Memphis’s free throw shooting would hurt them, and at the worst time possible, their free throw shooting hurt them. And yes, that is the definition of choke, they had it won and pissed it away, choke.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:23 AM
Calipari made me laugh as he continued saying throughout the tournament that his team’s free throw shooting was not one of his top concerns. Looks like Coach Cal may have lost a few brain cells when Coach Chaney submitted him with a choke hold and a death threat.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:23 AM
What time does KC resident check in? Noon? Is anyone in Kansas not hungover today?
If I’m a bar owner, and Chalmers hits that three, I give out a free round of shots. F it. We’re talking about one of the most clutch shots in Final 4 history.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:23 AM
I’m pretty sure that everyone will choke at the Olympics. Chinese air pollution will do that to you.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:25 AM
TBL: I see what you are saying, but I still don’t think they choked. I mean, CDR missed three free throws the entire game, and Rose missed one. I don’t think that is brick city (it’s actually 70%). Granted, a couple were late in the game, but by saying Memphis choked, you are kind of taking away from the fact that it was a great comeback by Kansas. Far more-so than a choke by Memphis, in my eyes.
I just think people throw around the choke tag way too easily these days. Anytime someone loses, even when it’s a great game including a great comeback, they choked. Sometimes you just lose.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:25 AM
Keith Smart clutch TBL? i think so
April 8th, 2008 at 9:27 AM
The missed free throws finished Memphis, CDR’s determination to ‘take over’ (i.e. completely waste about 6 of the last 7 or 8 possessions) was the unforgivable part to me.
I bet coach Cal wanted to kill CDR after he made those first 2 free throws in OT. ‘Oh yeah NOW you hit free throws ya *$&@& $#@& ^%(&%^$^ &$%#!’
April 8th, 2008 at 9:27 AM
As a lifelong Pats fan (now quite bitter–feels comfortingly familiar, actually), I will say all day, every day and twice on Sunday, that the Patriots choked. They got put back on their heels early, and didn’t know how to handle it. It began early, and snowballed throughout the game. They panicked, abandoned the style had got them there in the first place, and allowed the Giants to dictate the course of the game. That was one massive hairball that NE gagged up.
But I’ll bet that Belichick would have gone at least 3-for-5 from the stripe in the final 2 last night. Yeeeouch.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Gotta say, tho they were up 9 and were in position to win and should’ve won, CDR was completely non-existant in that game in the last 13 minutes of regulation. He took 1 shot, had 2 points and 4 missed free throws. Yes, they were winning despite him, but strange that he was no where to be found, until of course he clanked his free throws. Plus, no doubt, gotta foul there, and how do u throw away that in bounds. I refuse to call this game a classic soley based on the last 3 minutes. 30 turnovers combined, terrible 3-point shooting and not much of a flow, both teams were consistently out of control.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:34 AM
You could see this building throughout the tourney. CDR and the rest of the Tigers were boasting how they shot over 80% of their FT in these games. Cal saying that it wouldn’t matter. Its one of the the largest cases of hubris I’ve seen in sports. Can you think of any player/team who when confronted with a weakness so defiantly said that it wouldn’t matter because…? This would not be a story if Cal said “It’s something we will work to be better at” or something. This is a text book case of a tragic flaw right out of high school English class.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:34 AM
Good prediction, TBL. I had Memphis winning 72-60 and if they had all their free throws, it would have been close. Didn’t have a horse in this race and enjoyed the game.
As far as the choke/no-choke. It was choking only if making those FT’s were the norm for that team…and it was not. If they had clanged those FT’s in a regular season game, the headline would be “missed free throws catch up to Tigers” not “Memphis choked”. This is their MO and it really bit them in the ass last night.
BTW – I thought it was sportsgal who did the choke job last night.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:42 AM
I agree with Sean Jean that the word “choke” is often overused. However, there are ocassions — like last night — when it applies. Memphis missed four of its last five free throws in regulation … and at least one (maybe two) were the front ends of 1-and-1’s. The lazy inbounds that was stolen to set up the 3 was a brain fart (and a good play). The lack of game awareness to foul before Chalmers’ shot. If any one of those things doesn’t happen, Memphis wins.
Bottom line: This was as big a choke job as the one the Arizona Cardinals pulled against the Chicago Bears a couple of seasons ago. The only thing missing was Calipari screaming, “If you want to crown their ass, crown their ass. But they are who we thought they were … and we let ‘em off the hook!”
April 8th, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Great game to watch last night. Thought I would root for Memphis since KU took out my boys but in the end I was rooting for Kansas. Whoever the Kansas point guard is was driving me crazy all night, but they dominated the paint and as TBL said Memphis definitely choked. After Rose made that crazy two that was first ruled a three I thought there was no way Memphis would lose that game.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:49 AM
= 10 pistol pete
April 8th, 2008 at 9:50 AM
+ 10 pistol pete / fixed
April 8th, 2008 at 9:51 AM
I think I just have a different definition of choking in my head. Choking to me is clearly succumbing to the pressure. It is giving the game away or losing focus due to the pressure. Memphis just made some mistakes down the stretch that ended up costing them, although it wasn’t obvious at the time. Some very great plays had to be made from Kansas for that to happen. I agree with what everyone is saying, it is maybe just a matter of the actual semantics of the word being used.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:51 AM
John Calipari feels everything happens for a reason, and it wasn’t God’s will that he teach his players how to shoot free throws.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:57 AM
Not to pick on you Sean Jean (after all, your avatar is the beautiful T of my beloved Vols), but I’ve always thought missed free throws and mental miscues were obvious signs of succumbing to pressure … hence “choking.” It’s not like Joey Dorsey was at the FT line late in the game and missing them. It was CDR and Rose (for one missed FT) who were clanking them.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:58 AM
@ Sean Jean…It was a definite choke, esp by your definition
1.) Succumbing to the pressure (shooting 80% when up 20, shooting 20% when up 4)
2.) Idiotic plays-not fouling, Dorsey picking up foolish fouls (which cost them in OT)
3.) CDR and Rose, the best FT shooters on the year taking the shots at the end, and missing. Memphis made 5 in a row before the monumental clank job.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:58 AM
If this is the year of the choke, then how can Latrell Sprewell be out of a job?
I don’t know if it’s completely a choke–when you’ve got a lead late, you ice it with free throws. Memphis is bad at free throws, we know this. If anything, we should have been surprised that they were hitting free throws early.
April 8th, 2008 at 9:58 AM
I hear you Pete. I can see the argument either way, I just don’t like throwing the c word out there when Kansas made such an improbable comeback to win the game. I think it was more a great comeback than a choke. It seems you can’t have one without the other anymore. I’m sure I’m in the minority though.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:02 AM
Nick P, you can’t possibly be serious equating an NBA regular season game with guys who have played thousands more games and an NCAA title game where you’re dealing with 18 and 19 year olds. I know what Lamar Odom’s going to at the end of a game because he’s got a pretty substantial trackrecord… college kids just do not.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:05 AM
And speaking of choke, somewhere in the netherworld, Michael Hutchence is getting aroused.
What, too soon? It’s been 10 years!
April 8th, 2008 at 10:07 AM
I think the term “choke” is lazy thinking, in as much as it detracts from what Kansas, the New York Giants and most underdogs or comeback kids manage to accomplish.
Kansas was up by 5 at the half. Sure, Memphis had them by 9 late, but that freaking steal by Collins — jumping out of bounds, passing it in, getting it back and draining the three — was amazing. That guy made a great play, it wasn’t Memphis tripping over their own shoelaces.
If Memphis had 1) called a timeout when they were up 3, and 2) fouled before Kansas could shoot the game-tying shot, they would have won. Those decisions fall squarely on the coach.
Hey, I’m glad Kansas won. I won my pool and $400. But to say Memphis choked is pretty cliche. .
April 8th, 2008 at 10:10 AM
I don’t like the term “choke” because given the right circumstances, anyone who’s ever picked up a ball have or will choke. It can actually be a pretty random thing, and go against the grain of all probability (although last night, it went with the probability).
April 8th, 2008 at 10:12 AM
And sorry TBL, I’m not buying your gloating this morning. You came on here after the semifinals, and pretty much laid out a scenario where you couldn’t see Memphis hanging with Kansas. Bill Self said this morning on the Yawn and Yawn show that these teams would split 10 games. These were pretty much two dead even teams. But you made it sound like KU had the edge at almost every turn. They didn’t.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:22 AM
As a resident of Kansas City, MISSOURI, last night was just about the worst thing that could have happened. First, the Cardinals win the World Series, killing our 1985 mockery of them. Then, Kansas gets a BCS game over Missouri even though Missouri was higher ranked in the BCS AND beat them head-to-head two weeks prior to the selection. Now, Kansas wins the title, killing our Jayhawks are chokers and could only win in 1988 b/c they cheated and were put on probation.
Trust me TBL, if you haven’t ever been around Jayhawks fans, they are the most insufferable people on earth. Every basket is celebrated like a game-winning shot and every foul against KU is clearly b/c the refs are “screwing them again.” This is a dark day for Kansas City, Missourians…I for one almost took a sick day.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Memphis did choke. And, the Tigers, by doing so, hid a gag job by Self and his coaching staff. KU was up 47-46 and decided to go with a Box and 1. This move coincided with Rose absolutely tearing KU to pieces. Why on Earth would Kansas switch to a garbage zone when they were doing a spectacular job defensing the only 2 offensive threats for Memphis (CDR and Rose)? That was a terrible, unnecessary coaching adjustment that should have cost KU the game. Instead the Memphis FT woes finally came back to bite them in the tail…
And, +69 to Sportsgal and her fixation last night… Hope it went well…
April 8th, 2008 at 10:31 AM
Are any Memphis fans bothered by the fact that their team had an obvious deficiency when it came to free throw shooting and their coach downplayed it and didn’t work to improve it?
Not saying he really could have done anything but it seems to me the job of a coach is make his team better, not just accept that they suck at something.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:40 AM
CBH49er, I normally agree with you, but in this case, I hate you. I’m not sure how Cal was supposed to answer those repeated questions. Is he supposed to say “Yep, we’re screwed?” He justifiably downplayed it in my opinion. And I’m sure they worked on it just as much as anyone else.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:43 AM
Crookednose and Cleveland are correct in some regards. The word “choke” is lazy and overused. However, just because something is overused doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Yes, Kansas made some great plays and took advantage of the Memphis’ gag job and they deserve a lot of credit for not quitting. But to deny the fact Memphis made some colossal blunders and played a large part in its own demise is ignoring the obvious.
That said, I think we can all agree Don Dekinger choked in the 85 World Series to allow an inferior Royal team to beat a superior Cardinal squad.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Sure he’s going to downplay it, but he also upplayed it (invented word!) after they made a bunch of them up 20 in the previous couple games.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:46 AM
No problem with the uplaying. I think people just don’t like Cal and that’s why they’re going after thim. Perhaps he just pays more, and that’s how gets these players – sour grapes if you ask me!
April 8th, 2008 at 10:51 AM
He gets those players because he runs a pro-style offense and says, “If you want to play in the NBA, come here.” That’s not hard to understand, and I don’t blame him. I’d rather have a good recruiter than a good coach, 100 times out of 100. (Go Thad)
April 8th, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Haha Cursed, I didn’t mean to make your opinion of me slide so far down.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Did they choke? Yes. But I think this goes down as horrible, terrible, lazy coaching. Rose and CDR choked, but only because their coach put them in a position to do so.
Calipari knew his team was awful at FTs. So that should have meant EVERY DAY after practice, THE WHOLE TEAM practices FTs. 30 minutes, an hour, whatever. In the college game, dealing with kids, the coach is responsible for getting them up to snuff. While every team is going to have a 40% clanger, for a Top 5 team to be at what 60% for the season is inexcusable. As someone above said, it’s an uncontested shot from 15 feet you have 10 seconds to take, and you shoot it the same way every time. Practice practice practice. But not for Memphis.
Arrogance comes home to roost.
April 8th, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Love Thad, but I think they’re screwed next year w/o KK (I do think he’s gone – to play overseas). He can’t get caught in the rut of recruiting guys who are good enough to leave, but not good enough to make a difference. But at least Diebler is staying…he’s not a one and done, he’s a four and (needs) more (I coined that phrase).
April 8th, 2008 at 11:00 AM
tuckpendleton, turns out you’re the arrogant SOB. How the hell do you know they weren’t doing that, because they didn’t make them? Ask Shaq about the correlation between practice and games… or Tim Duncan. In fact, the Memphis beat writers have said that they have worked on free throws as much as anyone. You’re assuming, and you know what that means.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Why would he play overseas? He’s 21 on ESPN’s “big board,” so I’d think if he wants to play pro, he’ll just enter the draft.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Nick P – message board speculation is running rampant on the OSU insider boards. He still has a larger contract offer in Greece than what he’ll get in his first two years in the NBA. So who knows.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:31 AM
Is anyone in Kansas not hungover today?
At least in my office: no. But a hangover has never felt so good.
Trust me TBL, if you haven’t ever been around Jayhawks fans, they are the most insufferable people on earth. Every basket is celebrated like a game-winning shot and every foul against KU is clearly b/c the refs are “screwing them again.€ This is a dark day for Kansas City, Missourians…I for one almost took a sick day.
Yay for generic bitterness! Seriously, though, I’ve met plenty of fellow Jayhawks who are exactly as you say. But every team has a chunk of “insufferable” fans like that.
Anyway, that game was tremendous. I still cannot believe what happened those last two minutes — Sherron’s steal and 3 (but then the ill-advised lay-up attempt). Memphis’s two big starts missing free throws. And Mario’s shot. What is there to say? Truly a miracle.
I’m good for at least a decade.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Sure, that’s what Syracuse fans said in 03, now they want Boeheim gone and they’re as bitter and broken as it gets
Ans as an OSU fan, that 10-year grace period lasted roughly 4 years, two championship game blowouts later and I’m as far from “good” as it gets.
April 8th, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Sure, that’s what Syracuse fans said in 03, now they want Boeheim gone and they’re as bitter and broken as it gets
That’s pretty silly, though one could say the same think about our bitterness over Roy. That demon has been exorcised, to say the least.
Sure, it’ll be disappointing if we struggle the next few years, which is very possible with most of our roster leaving and also the possibility of losing self. And I’m sure I will be “devastated” by a few losses here and there. But I will forever remember Mario’s shot. And this championship, and that’s enough to keep me happy for a very long time.
April 8th, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I haven’t slept for 36 hours.
Just awesome.
April 8th, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Thats ridiculous. I haven’t heard one rational SU fan say they want Boeheim gone. Not one. We are definitely not bitter and broken, but I guess the SU fans you hang out with are. Check out how excited the fan base is for next year. If thats being broken then fine. The people that are bitter and broken are probably the same ones that want one of the greatest coaches in college basketball history to be fired.
Ridiculous.
April 8th, 2008 at 12:51 PM
rs27, I also went to Syracuse, and all I’ve heard for the last three years is how out of touch Boeheim is. Fair or unfair, that’s what I’ve heard. Any other Big East Coach would be under heavy duty scrutiny with the Orange’s post championship run.. (I’m not saying it’s fair).
April 8th, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Hey Cursed-
I know they weren’t practicing their free throws because they shot 60% for the season. I don’t know what other proof you need.
Division I basketball players, with that level of ability and athleticism, should be able to perform a relatively easy task with enough practice. As I said in my post, I’ll grant every team a clunker, like Shaq in your example. And being a great free throw shooter certainly doesn’t mean that you’ll always make them when it counts. But 60% as a team, for a top 5 team? Ridiculous.
If the Memphis beat writers are right, that they practiced free throws as much as anything (which I find extremely hard to believe) then the coaches should have the wherewithal to find another way to teach it to them, because it wasn’t working.