LOST: This Show Should Never End
Television April 25th. 2008, 9:51am
We should just get to the jump, right? The episode was incredibly action-packed, stunning on multiple levels, and informative. The EW recap? Cant say the same. We feel cheated – this is the one show where we don’t want spoilers – and yet the writer has probably seen the next three episodes, and you can tell that in his writing. Boo. Spoilers after the jump.
It’s a game, right? Ben vs. Widmore. Just like Risk! The quest for world domination, which apparently begins and ends with time travel. We really hope it ends with Desmond saving Penny and killing Ben. Random musings:
* It sucks that Claire will probably die. (The bastard at EW infers it, and of course Baby Aaron gets off the island, but Claire isn’t one of the Oceanic 6.) Why must she die? Is the goal to kill off all the attractive women? Maggie Grace and now Claire?
* So Ben goes into this room and: A) Talks to Jacob, B) Talks to Black Smoke Thingy, C) Travels in time somewhere to do something, D) Jacob is Black Smoke you dolt.
* When was the island Widmore’s? He said, “It was mine, it will be mine again.” Does this mean that back when Ben was a kid and arrived on the island … that’s when Widmore “owned” it?
* Ben is pretty bad-ass. He jacked those two dudes in the desert and was hiding a gun in the piano. That’s gully.
* This Jack/appendix bursting storyline appears weak. Almost forced. It’s probably something to draw Jack and Evangeline Lilly closer again, but the whole love storyline slows things down.
We absolutely have to reference the Office now; what an episode. Dwight was tremendous, first with the hobbit stuff, and then with the female basketball players. Pouring out the drink was awesome. Just a guess: the temp goes into drug rehab, and Jim has to switch branches to take his place, putting the proposal to Pam on hold. Perhaps we haven’t seen the last of the gorgeous Karen Filippelli? Thursday is easily the best (only?) night of TV. Now only if Gossip Girl could get moved to 8 p.m. …
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April 25th, 2008 at 9:53 AM
I have been an ardent supporter of LOST, but last night was a little frustrating. I agree it was action-packed as hell, but I’m starting to fall for that “It’s not solving anything! When it gives us an answer, it spawns 20 more questions!” school of thought. I feel like I’m considering cheating on my wife just by thinking this…someone talk me off the ledge!
April 25th, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Great post…until you reminded us of your Gossip Girl obsession.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:56 AM
I’m digging this season of very little Jack. I think the writers realized his character is unbearable to watch. Unfortunately, that means less Kate.
I’ll go with Widmore possessed the island and Ben took it over after he gassed everyone that wasn’t on his side.
I was really worried after the first Office with the dinner party. Terrible episode. Things of come back around. Very awesome last night.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Widmore owns Dharma — people that were there way before Ben. Then Ben “purged” them and took over, remember?
I agree w Atlanta, too much going on last night. Who does Ben think he is, James Bond? And the smoke thing was kinda lame, though I like how Ben kept saying that “they changed the rules.” How about Sawyer? Change of character for him, caring about Claire and Hurley’s well being.
RISK … Ukraine not weak!
April 25th, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Nice Seinfeld play in.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Ben is definitely not James Bond, didnt you see how easily he was spotted by the guy he was trailing. Ben’s just as awkward off the island as on it.
Widmore can’t be killed off the island right? Can Ben? Can any of the Oceanic 6?
Hugs. How….Ethnic.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:01 AM
TBL, you still watch that show? Come on, the writers are totally winging it at this point. That show embodies the age-old saying, “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
April 25th, 2008 at 10:01 AM
“And the smoke thing was kinda lame,”
I’ve always thought that as well since the first season. I keep waiting for some sort of reasonable explanation, but we always get this hokey pokey nonsense.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Ahhhh, the Sawyer note is a good one. It’s clear he’s changing … and at the same time, Kate feels Jack is the guy for her. But then, changed Sawyer will swoop in!
So Ben purged Dharma and then Widmore’s people just couldn’t find the island?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:04 AM
Sawyer hates Ben, and is probably still bitter about Locke’s father. It doesn’t surprise me that he turned on them.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:04 AM
How did the mercenary not die from the smoke monster? Did it only kill a couple of the camo guys?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Office + 30 Rock >>> Lost + Gossip Girl.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:07 AM
JJ Abrams is one of my good friends and he told me that (brace yourself) Widmore is Ben’s father*.
*probably not true
April 25th, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Daniel Faraday is starting to remind me of Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.
“What are they gonna say when he dies? They gonna say he was a kind man? He was a wise man? He had plans? He has wisdom? BULLSHIT, MAN!”
April 25th, 2008 at 10:14 AM
I think Ben allowed that guy to catch him in Iraq, so Sayid would kill him. It was Ben’s plan all along to recruit Sayid to help him, but he had to make Sayid want to join him
April 25th, 2008 at 10:14 AM
He got spotted on purpose, so Sayid could kill him. If he wanted to kill him himself, he could have, but this was how he “hooked” Sayid to do his bidding in the future.
TBL: What makes you think he was time traveling when he went into the room?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Double teamed Hef. Eat that, d00d!
April 25th, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Lost + TBL > Irish + NBA post
April 25th, 2008 at 10:16 AM
I actually agree with that due to the smile on his face after Sayiid agreed to be his hired goon. Plus, if he can’t be killed (which I think he can’t) off the island, then who gives a shit who sees him?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:16 AM
Hey, Nick, great minds think alike.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:16 AM
that hurts kfceater. how many comments are on this thread? lol
April 25th, 2008 at 10:17 AM
just kiddin’, irish. loved your moneymike work on the draft post yesterday.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Wow KFC Eater = new poster. Welcome!
Why do you think he’s alive Is he?
It can happen anywhere, right?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:18 AM
I’m not reading the recap because I hate spoilers.
But why does Ben tell Widmore that he “can’t find the island?” He’s already been there, and his ship is sending people there daily. And didn’t the island appear on the radar when they didn’t enter the code?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Didn’t you get the impression that he left and returned in that brief time? It felt like he was gone for more than the actual 30 seconds. In fact, I think he was in Tunisia at that moment. It’s time travel dude, expand your mind.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:20 AM
TBL, personally i love the spoilers, it helps in trying to figure out all of the nuances of the show. but it was a great episode. with jack getting sick, it’s going to make his camp vulnerable, and it could be the reason why he is one of the Oceanic 6.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:20 AM
I just thought that he called up the smoke monster. I’m sure it takes a few minutes to “summon” one of those things. Of course, I’m not talking from personal experience.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:21 AM
The Mercanary appears to be alive because it looks like he chases after Sawyer’s crew in the preview for the next episode.
Ben said he doesn’t kill innocent people, but he killed all of the Dharma people. Does that mean Dharma is really evil? Especially if Widmore is behind them.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:24 AM
“But then, changed Sawyer will swoop in!”
And then get killed.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:25 AM
See what die_eagles said.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:26 AM
oh shit, you’re right. I forgot mercenary guy was in the next episode. Good catch.
Since nobody confirmed it: Is Jacob the black smoke?
April 25th, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Ok, so Widmore had the island before and he made his money from knowledge of future events. Sounds reasonable. Then why can’t he find the island anymore, or what has kept him from returning? Why did he have to buy the ledger to the Black Rock, and who got it off of the island to begin with?
Ughh, brain hurting.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:27 AM
i’m with Jay. i think he went into that cave and talked to smokey and got him all riled up to kill the mercenaries
April 25th, 2008 at 10:28 AM
Jack needs to just die already. His pained facial expressions are ridiculous.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:29 AM
thanks tbl!
April 25th, 2008 at 10:29 AM
I’d agree with this sentiment.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I think kfceater needs the colonel as his gravatar.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:32 AM
I’m thinking that future Widmore gave past Widmore an almanac full of sports scores, and he was able to use that information to win a fortune gambling and then create a casino empire and buy his future wife a nice rack.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Hurley said something along the lines of “Australia is the key to the game” while playing Risk.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:35 AM
“Jack needs to just die already. His pained facial expressions are ridiculous.”
Mr. Papageorgio, I could not agree with you more. Did you know that Jack was supposed to die in the first or second episode of the series? I’ll admit, his character was very good the first season, but lord almighty, after last season I just wish he’d die.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Clown – do we need to start quoting BTTF again today? I think Widmore invested heavily in Hill Valley development from 1955 to 1985.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:40 AM
@Clown, Roeth – For Widmore, finding the island is his density.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Smoke monsters, time travel, mercenaries…seriously?
PS3 >>> Network TV
April 25th, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Send Desmond your questions!
April 25th, 2008 at 10:53 AM
oops
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/04/23/DI2008042303354.html?sid=ST2008041102667
April 25th, 2008 at 10:54 AM
I am sick of both Jack and Kate, especially Kate, she is hot but she is a selfish bitch
April 25th, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I don’t mind either Jack or Kate. I haven’t quite understood the Jack hate that goes on…it seems like because he’s more often the subject of the “drama” part of the story. I think even the most action-packed show has to have some drama to balance it out. Of course, to each his own.
And I could NEVER get sick of Kate. It’s an instant chub when she shows up on screen.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Wait a minute, Doc. Ah… Are you telling me you built a time machine… out of a island?
April 25th, 2008 at 11:24 AM
I’m pretty close to just not watching Lost anymore and waiting until the entire series is over just to see what happened. From one episode to the next, the ever-changing storyline, theme, subjects, and plot just gets old. You bounce from one storyline to the next, one character to the next, with no climax or closure or answers for any of the previous ones you have become invested in. I used to defend it in the past against people who said this, but I’m starting to tire of it myself. I mean what is even happening anymore? What show is this? And anytime another dramatic or love-connection type scene or episode peeks it’s head out, I almost gag. I can’t stand those.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Last night, someone on another board(yes, I’m a dweeb like that) made mention of the possibility that Ben killed Sayid’s wife for the express purpose of using Sayid as his hired gun. Makes sense to me, or at least as much sense as anything else. And when Ben said, “He changed the rules”, I knew he was talking about Widmore, and the last scene confirmed my suspicions.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Marty, you’re not thinking 4th dimensionally.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I thought the conversation between Charles Widmore and Ben at the end was interesting for the fact that Chuckles seemed to imply that Penny was on the island.
He told Ben he’d never find Penny, then they both exchanged the “you won’t find the island” rhetoric. To me that implied that because Ben and Charles won’t find the island, Penny won’t be found by Ben. Seems reasonable.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Terrific episode. I admit I couldn’t follow the show week-to-week the first three seasons because I felt like they didn’t know where they were going. But now that they have a predetermined end point, every big moment matters.
For example, if the “Jack’s appendix burst” story line might just be weak attempt, as some have suggested, to get Kate and Jack closer, but it also might be crucial to his story (i.e. how he gets off the island). There’s just no time for stand-alone stories any more. Everything that happens now will move the story forward.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Penny isn’t on the island. Why would he hide her on an island that he can’t find?
April 25th, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Sayid seemed awful quick to believe Ben’s explanation of how Nadia was killed. He shows him a picture of the guy supposedly taken by a traffic camera in California and that’s somehow supposed to be proof?
April 25th, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Huh? Ben won’t find the island? Not sure where your head is at, but that makes no sense at all.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:13 PM
What I’m getting at is that Charles seems to be under the impression that Ben will have as much trouble getting to the island as he is.
As far as Penny, she seemed to have her own agenda outside of her father’s control, so I don’t think Charles is trying to “hide her” there, but that she somehow got there.
Then again, your adamancy about my cluelessness is persuasive.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Who are all these people Ben needs dead with the help of Sayid? I do think Ben killed Nadia to rope Sayid into his life.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Unless Ben’s time travel machine breaks down, I’m not sure how he would have trouble getting to the island.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Yeah, that’s true. I may have misinterpreted that particular line about Ben never finding Penny. But something about him saying that brings up some interesting questions about WHY he thinks Ben will never find her.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:23 PM
I think it was a smoke machine starter, not a time maching, if it wsa time machine, why would he come back?
April 25th, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Because things in his time line need to play out correctly for his future to run smoothly
April 25th, 2008 at 12:31 PM
i think ben went back in the past and killed each of the freighter guys, so now when he comes back to the island time they are all killed by the black monster b/c they arent now suppose to be there b/c they’ve already died
this show is just crazy and i’m addicted to it
April 25th, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Where are these theories coming from? All evidence has only pointed to being able to travel to the future.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:50 PM
I thought of it more as Sayid just wanting to believe any story so he could snap. He searched for her for a while, then the whole stuck on the island thing, then he finally finds her and she dies. If Nadia was all he had and he spent everything finding her and then lost her, fuck it, might as well do what you do best and start killing fools.
April 25th, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Desmond traveled to the past. Remember, he went to the earlier point in his life where he was in the army and when he first left Penny.
April 25th, 2008 at 1:07 PM
I love the show and enjoyed this episode but after it ended I couldn’t help but feeling that the writers were winging it for a big part of season 2. What happened to Alex last night renders the whole Danielle story line pointless & that was a big part of season 1 and 2.
I read an interview where Ben was originally only supposed to appear in 2 episodes. I feel like they kept adding things in as they kept him around longer and longer. Once they got the end date they were able to finally plan the ‘finish’.
April 25th, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Where are the spoilers in Jensen’s EW article? I think he did a good job of NOT telling us what he knows and he never infers Claire is going to die.
“while Claire’s house was obliterated by a rocket, though Aaron’s mama herself survived. Kinda hard to believe, but I rolled with it. (FYI: A scene in which Claire experienced a hallucination/prophetic vision was shot for this episode but cut for lack of running time, but I’m told we can expect Claire intrigue to ramp up next week.)”
That infers she’s going to die?
TBL- You’ve lost you mind.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:16 PM
I heard rumors that the Lost writers didn’t really plan anything, especially during season 2. They literally were winning it because they thought it was better.
@ Flying, they never get into Danielle, and what you say makes sense. Rather than explain anything with her, just cut ties with the storyline.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:17 PM
His consciousness time jumped, not his physical body.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:22 PM
I wish this was definitely the case, but I think it’s uncertain at this point.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:33 PM
I wouldnt say Claire dies.
Shes def on the island when the Oceanic 6 go off. With Jin and Sawyer.
Remember one of the keys to the show from Seas 1 is that Claire has to raise her child. Has to. The psychic said a lot depends on it.
Killing her off now? No chance. Shes a big part of the show since shes also Christian Shepards daughter.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:37 PM
The liking of Gossip Girl does make the head wonder.
It is obviously not in the same league as 90210. Too much of a chick show.
April 25th, 2008 at 2:51 PM
this week’s LOST audio podcast is up on itunes already.
April 25th, 2008 at 3:48 PM
@Jake- then how do you explain Kate having Aaron in the future?