“You’re Like Jimmy Olsen on Percocet” and Bob Costas’s Feeble Attempt to Destroy Blogs
Media Gossip/Musings April 30th. 2008, 8:59am
Back in March when we reported that Bob Costas was putting together this “State of the Sports Media” panel, our initial reaction in the comments section contained these phrases: “Lion’s den” and “recipe for disaster.” And this was before we had ever seen author Buzz Bissinger speak in a public setting. As blogs gain traction among sports fans, and newspapers continue to bleed circulation, the mainstream media has felt like it needed to take a lamb (in this case, a blogger) out on national television and attempt a slaughter. We can imagine Bob Costas getting on a conference call with his mainstream media cohorts, Mitch Albom and Mike Lupica, clasping his hands like Gargamel and frothing: “Yeah, let’s get Deadspin’s Will Leitch out there. If we cut off the head, blogs will die! Bwwwaaaahhhhhh!”
How else should we react when Costas’ first line to Leitch last night was – paraphrasing here, but we’re sure there will be video, eventually – “I find you much more palatable in person,” which is a nasty backhanded compliment. Bissinger, a popular author who wrote the book Friday Night Lights, decided to be more blunt, cutting Leitch off a few sentences in to blurt out, “I’m sorry, but you’re full of shit.” Ambush? You bet.
Reaction today will be all about perception. If you’re in the radio industry – which was crushed harder than the blogosphere – you will be outraged. We look forward to reading about blogger reaction – we’re certain there will be anger. Anyone who has yet to bail from the sinking ship also known as a newspaper industry (though USA Today and the Wall Street Journal get free passes) must have been severely depressed to hear Selena Roberts’ thoughts on access and Michael Strahan and Tiki Barber’s musings on the media in general.
Some of last night’s Townhall Meeting made for riveting television – Strahan hurling verbal knives at radio guy Chris Russo throughout his segment; Wilbon and Whitlock discussing race and the media; Fire Joe Morgan’s great line: You don’t have to go to school to say I think the Indians should have pulled Carmona in the 8th; Dan Patrick lobbying heavily for a TV job – but the blog segment left something to be desired because Braylon Edwards was over-dressed and Bissinger’s shouting drowned out all of Leitch’s salient points.
Here’s our quick breakdown of the highlights from each segment:
RADIO
First question, for our Chicago readers: Who is Mike North? The man looked downright foolish in some taped footage that was shown. You know how everyone wants to ask what credentials bloggers bring to the table? Well what the fuck has Mike North ever done? His wikipedia says that he was a hot dog vendor and in the military. Hmmm. No mention of college, studying journalism, or anything of the sort. Interesting. Hey mainstream media: If you’re going to call bloggers uninformed, basement-dwelling louts (in our underwear, of course; ACTUALLY, Mitch Albom had the only basement/underwear comment of the night, and it happened at 10:14 pm) who haven’t “studied” anything resembling journalism, will you make those same arguments against some of these radio hacks, who are also devoid of “training?” Or do you give this North clown a pass because he’s been on the radio for 15 years, and bloggers have only been pecking away at their keyboards for a few years?
Same goes for Chris Russo. We enjoy his work on WFAN in New York, but it must be said – he’s no more informed than bloggers. He watches sports. He talks about them. The man is on Letterman because of his antic-filled entertainment value, which largely relies upon him attempting to be funny by waving his hands around like a school crossing guard. Which is why, when Michael Strahan ripped into him last night – really, the video will do monster numbers – it was priceless. As Strahan tells it, he went on their radio show as a fill-in for the head coach about eight years ago. Russo and Mike Francesa were nice to him, but the second Strahan hung up, they trashed him for an hour. He called it cowardice and vowed never to do the show again. Later, he had a great line: “I don’t need you to do my job, but you need me to do yours.” Later, this gem: “The last time you had a uniform on was when your mom took you trick or treating when you were five.”
Mitch Albom: “There needs to be a minimum standard to report. Joe Fan shouldn’t be on the level as Joe Reporter, who is trained for the job.” Mitch – we went to college, had two newspaper internships, was on staff for and freelanced for plenty of newspapers, and freelanced for ESPN.com and the Magazine. Does this pass your “test?” And if our brother starts a blog tomorrow, but he studied marketing in college, will you say he can’t blog? Just wanted to run that by you.
Costas got huffy that some sports radio hosts were playing “who would you do” and the females in question were all TV sports reporters/studio hosts. He quickly made note that HBO also televises G-string Divas and Cathouse.
INTERNET
Bissinger, for reasons we still cannot fathom, invoked the name WC Heinz. Huh? His argument is that people would rather read WC Heinz than some blogger. “Who has a better ability to evoke a game or a moment” – his voice raising with each word, like your dad shouting at you – “WC Heinz or a blogger?” Then, he decided to not take the words of Leitch, but rather AJ Daulerio’s and commenters at Deadspin, and scream them on TV to make Deadspin look bad. (We should add that we have never met Daulerio, but if pressed, we’d have to say he is the funniest blogger on the web, narrowly edging out Fire Joe Morgan. And yes, it’s probably because of the dirty banter.) Bissinger kept mentioning the phrase “Balls Deep” (later, Joe Buck did, too). Other Bissinger phrases: “[Blogging] really pisses the shit out of me. It is the dumbing down of our society.” Newsflash, Buzz: Skip Bayless debating anyone about anything on ESPN or reading another FIRE HIM! TRADE HIM! column from Jay Mariotti is doing much worse damage to society. We are certain of this. Bissinger, it should be noted, didn’t make note of one thing Leitch actually wrote.
Bissinger: You posted the photos of Matt Leinart “to humiliate him!” He did say there were some ‘good blogs’ but said they were “few and far between” and that the “quality of writing was despicable. I think the future in the hands of guys like you is going to dumb us down from a degree we won’t recover from.”
Braylon Edwards, dapper as hell, made a few comments that aren’t worth noting here.
TV
Probably the weakest segment, only because a) Joe Buck kept trying to be funny, b) Dan Patrick kept trying to be funny and c) Mike Tirico, perhaps the most milquetoast voice at ESPN, has never taken a strong stand on anything, and he wasn’t going to do so last night.
Dan Patrick: “I’m not on TV anymore Bob, why am I on this panel? …”
Mike Tirico on ESPN’s annoying debate format: “I think there’s enthusiasm and energy to those shows. Sometimes, when we put these two together, there’s excess. Sometimes, I change the channel.”
Joe Buck’s only good line: “How do the guys get points on these shows? Woody Paige or whatever his name is … how can any group of supposed grown-ups have strong opinions on 15-16 topics a day?” Zing! Later, he told Dan Patrick that Dan “had a great voice.”
Highlight: Al Michaels, who spoke in a taped segment, presumably from his house, looked as if the questions were giving him agita. He kept rubbing his temple and putting his hand on his head. Perhaps he was ill. On ESPN’s “debate” shows: “Gasbags on parade.”
ATHLETES/MEDIA
John McEnroe spoke first, and he’s so awful at public speaking, that it nearly crushed the entire segment. Selena Roberts was solid: “Money builds a higher wall around the athletes.” She told a tale of a recent attempt to get an interview with LeBron James, and having to go through many layers before ultimately emailing questions to someone who emailed them to LeBron, who recorded his voice on an audio tape and emailed it to her. “Access to athletes has been lost [for many reasons] … TV has gotten huge, and there are more of us than ever before. What’s lost is that human connection. Nobody’s having dinner with Ali. I don’t know anything about Tiger Woods. He’s got news to break and he’s going to his website. He’s going to make me totally unnecessary.”
Tiki Barber was good, too, and spoke about how athletes distrust the media. He made it seem like the media had ulterior motives: “[Some reporters] think they can make a name for themselves by having inside access to an athlete. Writers have become ambitious outside of their job.” He made it seem like members of the media latch (our word) onto some athletes to become ‘their guy’ (our words). It seemed like a thinly-veiled shot at a New York writer. Or perhaps writers.
Don’t kill us for this: Curt Schilling made a few good points about the media in a taped segment.
RACE
It stinks this segment was cut short due to time, because it elicited some of the strongest opinions. Cris Carter was terrific. So were Wilbon and Whitlock (his calling out of Kellen Winslow’s dad was great). Perhaps the best story came from Wilbon in a taped segment: He told of the time he was in the media room after a college basketball game when George Michael (Sports Machine, not the singer) walked in and shouted, ‘where are all the black people?’
Costas was at his best in this segment, because he feels race is an issue that needs to be discussed, but he laments the fact that he, as a white guy, cannot start them. Wilbon dropped the n-bomb twice. Whitlock’s last line was something to the effect of, (paraphrasing here) “I got run off of ESPN for talking about the mistreatment of Barry Bonds.”
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April 30th, 2008 at 8:59 AM
For the record, it took us all morning to write this up, and we haven’t read the other reaction. We have seen the emails, though. We’ll link them up in the PM roundup, or if we do another post on this subject.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Solid coverage, TBL. Can’t wait to see the video.
My take on Sports Radio is that it’s the same thing as blogging. People who watch sports, have opinions on sports, talking with a group of like minded individuals. Sometimes you have a theory; sometimes you get an interview; usually it’s a recap and some coverage of a news story that a lot of other sources are covering. What’s the outrage?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:13 AM
i kinda wish i had seen this.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Why not have a newspaper writer (Roberts, random beat guy) in the panel on the internet segment? Who cares what a novelist thinks regarding the issue, when you are taking the place of beat reporters with posts like Ballin, Top Shelf, etc. and columnist with other posts (Im using you as an example).
I thought Edwards made some decent points about having to watch his back around anyone now b/c everything he does can be photographed w.o. him knowing. He could lose lots of sponsor dough if a couple mid-western moms dont approve of him dancing with a chick at a bar. He’s right that it doesnt benefit him to open up like athletes used to because of whats at stake.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:17 AM
It’s always funny to me to hear the reaction of most MSM re: bloggers. It’s so obvious that they’re trashing bloggers because MSM are afraid of their own jobs becoming obsolete…and they feel bloggers are to blame. It’s all so childish.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:19 AM
Like so many in “old media” who criticize blogs, Bissinger gets part of it right. Aside from unfairly slamming Leitch, who actually runs a quality site, Bissinger is dead on with this quote (above). Most sports blogs are terribly written, with grammatical and factual errors carelessly strewn throughout. Most of the sports blogs are a cross between Fark, the old alt.fan.howard-stern newsgroup, and Cracked. All three are entertaining enough, sure, but you’re not going to any of these sources for real news or informed analysis.
This is not to slam all blogs, as this site, Leitch’s, ProFootballTalk.com (which I suppose is considered part of the genre), and a handful of others actually do bring something to the table. At the moment, however, too many of the blogs are about regurgitating the same memes of sports blogs: drunken athletes, hot chicks, and hate of all things ESPN. There are just alot of angry, horny guys out there who have no talent for writing, but want so desperately to be Bill Simmons (and yet, they continuously read his column to tell us how badly it sucks).
Is this on YouTube yet?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Copied from yesterday’s topic:
I only watched the first two segments, but segment two happened to be about us. Well “us†as in bloggers. On the speaking panel was Leitch (pro-blog), Buzz Bissinger (anti-blog), and Braylon Edwards (pro-football…or something). I’ll be honest with you, if I was an outsider looking in and I was unfamiliar with blogs as sports news medium, I would have said that Bissinger won the argument and Leitch made us all seem like a bunch of childish morons.
I realize that Deadspin is the most-read sports blog out there, but there has to be some perspective there. Confusing Deadspin as a legitimate source of sports news is just wrong. And I would assume that the comments that follow each posting aren’t meant to be taken all that seriously. And yet Bissinger grouped us all (by “all†I mean sports bloggers) together as a bunch of morons who can’t get our point across without using profanity, if we had a point at all to begin with. First of all, Bissinger can go fuck himself (smiley). Second of all, that’s an awfully large brush he’s painting with.
I think we all would have been better served if a different blogger was on that panel. Maybe someong from the Mariners blog. Or A’s Nation. Or the Mets. Or Baseball Prospectus. Having Leitch was cherry-picking IMO. I like Deadspin, but it’s more of a tabloid than anything.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:22 AM
I’d like to amend my previous statement. I think that blogging has so many unique advantages to radio and newspaper simply because it’s so hypertextual. We can link to information and allow the reader to investigate it on his/her own. Plus this space allows us to access information quickly to use as evidence in our arguments more immediately and with greater credibility that newspapers or radio because of the speed and proximity we are to these other sources. People who hate blogs usually don’t read blogs and just assume everyone’s asshole (which is only mostly true).
April 30th, 2008 at 9:22 AM
Because beat writers are invisible. Nobody knows who they are. Costas must think viewers are more likely to tune in for Roberts, Albom, Wilbon, etc than some guy who is on the Texas Rangers beat.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:22 AM
there are some pretty shitty books too, written by authors who have no business writing, so does that automatically mean the medium is garbage?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:26 AM
It’s ironic that Bissinger accused anyone of intentionally trying to embarrass Matt Leinart. Isn’t he the guy who moved to Odessa and pretended to be everybody’s friend, then a wrote a book for his own personal profit about how backwards and racist everyone in Odessa was?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:27 AM
Well I would say there are some “good papers” out there but that they are “few and far between.” I don’t marginalize the entire industry because the majority of the newspapers put out are unreadable. I read the best and ignore the rest, surprisingly enough the same can be done with blogs.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:28 AM
quick post:
one of the best sports radio guys out there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zuUMw7fdPOI
April 30th, 2008 at 9:31 AM
In the year or so Ive been visiting this site, I’ve learned alot of stuff I would have never got from the MSM, especially concerning college football. Plus, where else can you get discussions on 4th round draft picks, Stacey Kiebler and what is the best live album of all time? (for the record it begins and ends with ABB @ the Fillmore). Its all entertainment to me, Costas and the rest of the members of the holier than thou media should get a grip and realize they arent as relevant as they think.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:33 AM
I wish I’d known Buzz was going to be on this show….I’ve heard him several times on the local sportsradio and used read him in “Philadelphia” magazine when he used to contribute there, and I could vouch for his ability to be completely irrational and combative when he thinks he’s right.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:35 AM
One more thing concerning Joe Buck. Nothing irritates me more than a sportscaster who openly bitches about his job, Skip Carey is guilty of this too, always talking about how tough it is to be away from their families, the travel, the bad food. Tough shit. I would bet many on this site would gladly trade places. Buck always comes off as if he is doing me a favor by broadcasting the game. In the words of Robert Montgomery Knight, “you got a ways to go to be as good as your Dad”
April 30th, 2008 at 9:35 AM
if i was leitch, and bizzinger kept interupting me and saying i was full of shit, i would have said, “since we’re going down in the gutter, i might take you seriously if you would remove your nose from larussa’s ass.”
April 30th, 2008 at 9:37 AM
precisely why i can’t stand those two. they THINK they are funny. they are not rodney dangerfield, they are not artie lange, hell there’s not even jackie martling or even carrottop!
they are just have self-inflated egos.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:39 AM
ABBA played at the Fillmore? Did they do Fernando?!?!?!?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:40 AM
@Hef: Thanks for that link. Up to this point in my life, I had no idea what hypertext was. I’ve been living in a haze.
/Cincy Kid strikes again!
April 30th, 2008 at 9:40 AM
The beautiful thing is as much as these guys hate bloggers, we aren’t going anywhere. And they are clearly going by the wayside…so, we’ll get the last laugh in the end.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:41 AM
Keen observation.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:41 AM
I hope that was sarcasm, TBL.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:41 AM
I’ve emailed him for an interview, and this will be one of the questions, should he respond.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Nope. Serious.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Was this televised? Man, I wish I had enough money to afford cable. Of course I could say the same thing about Scheifers Bar Cheese. I love that stuff.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:44 AM
I did not watch ( I will soon) but it seems people are against the people behind the blogs than blogs as a medium to give information. The Albom comments are the craziest. Writing is not structual engineering. If the writing sucks no one dies. The fact that people have a following and viewerships says something.
Most newspaper articles, tv shows, movies, songs are too… Maybe not grammatical errors but you get the point. And I don’t think ‘blogs’ are trying to replace reputiable sources of information. Just as magazines dont replace scholarly journals.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:45 AM
@Nick: You didn’t think it was meta, being linked to the definition of linking. I blew my own mind with that one.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:45 AM
@TBL: Isn’t it pretty common knowledge that’s what the majority of sports blogs are? IMO, the only really insightful sports blogs have to do with statistical analysis in re: baseball and basketball. The rest are just dick jokes. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. I love reading them. But they’re more entertainment blogs with a sports flavor than truly sports blogs.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:47 AM
@Hef: I wish I could link to the actual post I was writing…as…I…write…it!
But alas, I can only link to 4girlsfingerpaint.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:47 AM
I would describe this blog as covertly anti-ESPN. Until Jay comes around and then it’s like, whoa.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:47 AM
Interesting stuff…
Bob Costas cements his legacy as a weasel.
Buzzy Bissinger loves amphetimines and doesn’t realize bloggers saved his vastly overrated (sorry, TBL. I know you like it) TV show.
Will did a stand-up job under the ambush.
“He quickly made note that HBO also televises G-string Divas and Cathouse.” Costas
Cathouse was on immediately after last night. Pure Comedy Gold.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:47 AM
Mike North is an idiot. At one time, he was a decent radio guy, but not any more. He became somewhat famous in the area for asking tough questions to athletes, coaches, owners, etc… However, now, he asks questions, but thinks he knows the answers, and keeps interrupting and re-asking the same question. It’s terrible.
Also, he doesn’t talk sports anymore, but maybe 50% of the time. He’s always talking local politics, 50’s music, old movies, etc…
April 30th, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Nick – I’m sure you’re saying, ‘but you have hot chicks on your site all the time!’
That is true. However, we’ve tried to class it up a bit – fewer and fewer bikini shots out front – and sure we could abolish the women altogether. Problem is, I can’t possible care about straight-up sports 24/7. Can’t. Guess I’m not wired that way.
We often are mocked for it, but that’s why I’ll throw in a link to gas prices, or the economy, or the housing situation, or politics. I find that stuff interesting, and i enjoy seeing the occasional banter about it here.
I just can’t be a sports guy 24/7
April 30th, 2008 at 9:48 AM
I would love to see a true study on this. Observationally its true because that is what we like spend quick time on. Just like I bet more people have subscriptions to Maxim and FHM than Harpers or the Atlantic
April 30th, 2008 at 9:49 AM
@Nick – I am of a different opinion. I appreciate the stat analysis blogs as well, but I also like to read the other sports blogs for their local fan reaction/knowledge. For instance, as you and I were talking the other night about Josh Childress, the majority of sports fans outside Atlanta don’t know how good/valuable he is. Everyone in Atlanta does, though. And if I were an outsider, and wanted to learn more about the Hawks, I’d go to an Atlanta fan blog to get their take (for their opinions), in addition to going to the local newspaper (for the basic knowledge).
April 30th, 2008 at 9:49 AM
I don’t buy the “regurgitating” argument. Depending on the size of the newspaper, sometimes close to 75% of the stories are straight off the AP wire. So regurgitating AP news is OK, as long as you do so in an office building and not from your moms basement.
All mediums steal from every other medium and call it news. Papers watch the news, TV people read the papers. I love how journalists rip blogs yet will happily steal any actual news when they see fit. The Leinart thing started on a blog but made its way to every form of MSM.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:50 AM
i bet bob costas cheats when he plays golf.
YEA, HOW’S THAT BOB? YOU FUCKIN LIKE BLOGS NOW? UNSUBSTANTIATED BULLSHIT LIKE THAT IS WHAT MAKES THE WORLD FUCKING TURN BOB. NOW GO GIVE YOUR BOY ALBOM A BEEJ WHILE HE WRITES WEDNESDAYS WITH MORRIE.
sorry, tourette’s will get you.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:51 AM
when bizzinger does something as journalistically solid as florio did with the michael vick case, call me.
where was the MSM when vick nearly skated? florio’s series of articles exposing vick was nearly as good as what the san francisco chronicle did in exposing bonds.
yet the MSM either turned the other way because they were financially in bed with vick (BSPN) or were too busy having someone on staff covering the all too important prep volleyball beat.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:54 AM
I used to love Deadspin, but it is true that the Daulerio stuff takes away from the site’s integrity and as the volume of the Daulerio stuff increases the frequncy of my visits decreases. TBL has really replaced Deadspin in my internet rotation because it strikes a better balance between for me between sports and the extracurricular stuff. But here’s the thing, it’s the better balance for me. It’s not an objective standard. I don’t love the “balls deep” stuff so I don’t go there as much. If these MSM guys don’t care for that stuff either, they can do the same.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:54 AM
Did Albom mention that the minimum standard of reporting is making stuff up?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Nah, that’s not what I’m saying. I think this blog is entertainment first, sports second. And I love that. When I say entertainment, I don’t mean Hollywood. I mean entertaining to the visitors.
@atl: Fair point, but it should be noted I learned about Childress from Wages of Wins, the best hoops blog IMO. He’s been the best Hawk for the last 3 years. I could go to fan sites to learn about them, but most fan sites suck. There are obviously exceptions.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:56 AM
which is what makes this blog great.
“people like to look at pretty girls, what can i say?” howard stern circa 1998 on why his E! Network show always had skin of some sort.
pretty girls = hits.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Here is the thing, the only person I would deem a journalist in that show you mentioned is Selena Roberts. And as she becomes more and more of a columnist and less of a reporter and story teller she will cease to be one as well. Every other person is paid for their opinion so prety much they are fighting each other on who’s opinion is more valid and why it is more valid and how the medium they work for makes it more valid. The argument a blogger needs to make, and is not making, is that most of these big names are now middle age millionaire white men (not all but most) and how does that identify with 99% of their readership? The bloggers are closer to the “common person” than the columnists that are condemming them and one day as the best bloggers make their way and get paid the next group will come after them. These columnists forget what it was like starting out and were in their day most likely put down and abused by the big deal columnists of their day…its life but at least acknowledge it not don’t condem the new medium because of insecurity.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Of course not. Costas and Albom are buddies. Or, maybe Bob didn’t think it was that big a deal.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:59 AM
In many ways, sports are a microcosm of society. The drudge report and smoking gun could be considered blogs at their inception. Both have broken/reported major stories before MSM. If I’m not mistaken, drudge broke the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal before MSM had the balls to do it. Newspapers are becoming the cassette tape to blogs’ cd in the sports world.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:59 AM
I just can’t be a sports guy 24/7
And that is the point. The state of the MSM shouldn’t be bloggers are crashing on our parade. It should be the MSM isn’t doing their job correctly. They fail to adapt to the changing world, and think everyone should be best friends with Arod in order to talk about him. Attention spans are short, and sports 24/7 isn’t going to catch people’s attention.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Jimmy, ESPN was fanatically in bed with Vick? Really? We’re bloggers and commenters all bitching about ESPN’s overkill of the issue? Remember them getting blasted for the town hall meeting?
This sort of backs up the ‘bashing all things ESPN’ comment above.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:01 AM
*weren’t bloggers…
I need to proofread
April 30th, 2008 at 10:02 AM
“clown Says:
April 30th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Did Albom mention that the minimum standard of reporting is making stuff up?”
Hoo Haa!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 10:03 AM
@ justinsands ESPN is bashed because ESPN is continually putting out a crappy product.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:04 AM
I wonder what Mike NYC thinks about all of this
April 30th, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Bissinger reminded me of a Yankee fan after the collapse against the Red Sox. Grasping for anything.
Bitter, angry, confused, enraged.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:05 AM
Yes, independent blogs aren’t the only ones misinformed, with grammatical and spelling errors. Here’s an article from Forbes where the writer/editor (I fear for the children knowing that this clown is an editor) clearly has never watched hockey before writing this p.o.s. He spelled Gretzky’s name wrong hours before it was fixed. And he doesn’t know how old Sid Crosby is. And accused him of something that didn’t happen in the game:
http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoneyblog/2008/04/sidney-crosbys.html
Its worse that some blog “regurgitating” material, which coop points out nicely with newspapers and the AP.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:06 AM
Where’s SVP Style been? He usually has some insightful and witty analysis.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:09 AM
TBL – That was not a shot at you, by the way. I continue to read come back to your site because, while you also have those things (i.e., dbag jocks, babes, WWL criticism), your site goes well beyond these cliches.
Not that I particularly mind seeing the ladies. Keep that coming!
April 30th, 2008 at 10:09 AM
mizerle06 is SVP style and he’s playing that game like in Arrested Development where he hangs around the water cooler.
“That Funke is quite a leading man.”
“That Funke is so clever”
April 30th, 2008 at 10:11 AM
costas — whom i like a great deal (still) — wonders why there is so much anger in sports radio, blogs and fandom?
when athletes lie like dogs daily…
when far too many athletes are overpaid hoods…
when far too many athletes in college, given an education most of us paid through our nose for, treat college like some sort of forced probation…
when college and professional athletes are busted daily for concealed weapons, beating girlfriends and drug use…
when athletes get passes from cops and judges for shit we’d be doing hard time for…
when our taxes are rasied to build stadia so millionaire owners can become billionaires while schools are being closed and teachers laid due to a lack of funds…
when players cheat constantly and become indignant when caught…
when athletes think they are above the law…
when the MSM tries to constantly tell us what we should consume/read/watch…
when BSPN slaps sports fans in the face dozens of times a day…
when cable companies gouge us constantly yet won’t give us networks we want in a scam of a poker game…
when owners lie to us all the while grabbing our wallets…
when ushers/goons treat fans like chattle at games (after dropping a chunk of our mortgage to attend)…
i could go on and on and on. and costas wonders why there’s a general anger among sports fans???
c’mon bob, you cannot be that detached from society?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Another thing, who cares about the state of the media. The whole point of the athletes was that media is not the story. The sports are the story. With self-serving pretenious people like Costas, Buck, and Bissinger, they are the exact thing that is wrong with media.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:12 AM
Also a thing that appeals about ‘blogs’ is that they do not have someone to answer to in most cases. TBL is not worried about bashing the NBA because it might lose its friday night games contract. The Dallas Morning News reporter is not afraid to bash Avery Johnson because of potential loss of access…oh wait thats why they made the blogger do it.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Did Albom study journalism, creative writing, or broadcasting in college? If he is going to say there needs to be a minimum standard of training to report news (a college degree in journalism, I assume), doesn’t there need to be a minimum standard of training to write saccharine, treacly books? Or a minimum standard to be a radio host?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Die eagles, I’m not saying the don’t deserved to be bashed because of a failing product, but jimmy was arguing that they were too cozy w/ vick and under-reportecd the study when practically everyone on this site and others were complaining of vick overkill.
I was just showing that, often, ESPN gets bashed no matter what they do: either they did too much or not enough. Its a lose-lose situation for them at times.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:16 AM
baloney!
bspn didn’t do squat about vick until they had not choice otherwise they’d be a complete laughing stock of an operation. hell the nfl network was running vick stories before bspn did.
and then, of course, bspn went overboard as it always does.
florio forced everyone else’s hands with his reporting. don’t believe me? read leitch’s book. it’s all well-documented. (please find a tape, any tape, of a report shown on espnews that mentioned the words in succession: “ron mexico.”)
oh, and guess who was on the cover of espn’s football video game when all this shit was happening and bspn was looking the other way? i’ll give you a hint: the guy is now behind bars in a federal pen.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:16 AM
No I’m not. (SVP Style was the best thing to happen on the internets.)
April 30th, 2008 at 10:17 AM
I would have to agree with TG on his assessment of North. He never really takes phone calls anymore and makes off the wall claims such as Luol Deng being one of the top 5 players in the league before the season started. With that said, I listen to him almost every morning because he’s pretty funny and I can’t stand Mike and Mike in the morning.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:19 AM
When was this on? Will it be shown again/
April 30th, 2008 at 10:22 AM
cjzimm -
It’s HBO. It’ll be replayed 27 times this week, I’m sure.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:24 AM
The beauty of the internet and the rise of the blog is it allows for debate on subjects that most of us can not have with the people we interact with on a daily basis. I am just not sure how many of my co-workers care about the transition of news and media. But the question I have is whether anyone on this panel talked about the 800 pound gorilla in the room, advertising revenue. The fact is the only publication I know about that is supported by subscription alone is the Economist magazine, and that may have changed recently as my source at that publication left for Conde Nast. The fear that MSM has is no one will pay them a six figure salary to go to sporting events and that is the real problem. Not the blogs.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:26 AM
It seems the media is making blogs the scape goat in their frustration in the technology changes that have taken place and have cost them money. Our bad. Why spend $ on a local paper when all the info we need is free on the net?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:27 AM
ding… ding… ding…
April 30th, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Good point Kid…MSM is the one in trouble, not blogs. Athlete’s think MSM are just as much spin artists as bloggers, if not even more. Most athletes probably don’t even read blogs, or are bloggers themselves.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Nick – I’m sure you’re saying, ‘but you have hot chicks on your site all the time!’
That is true. However, we’ve tried to class it up a bit – fewer and fewer bikini shots out front – and sure we could abolish the women altogether. Problem is, I can’t possible care about straight-up sports 24/7. Can’t. Guess I’m not wired that way.
We often are mocked for it, but that’s why I’ll throw in a link to gas prices, or the economy, or the housing situation, or politics. I find that stuff interesting, and i enjoy seeing the occasional banter about it here.
I just can’t be a sports guy 24/7
I’ll probably get crucified, too, but to be honest, part of what appeals to me is the random pop culture stuff.
Too many bloggers — and sportswriters in general, I suppose — forget that there’s more to life than sports, especially the sports they cover. That’s one of the appeals of blogging in general: There’s more acknowledgement that sports isn’t the end-all, be-all.
Just about any “How to blog” manual tells you that it’s not only OK for a blogger to share his or her personality on their blog, it’s preferred. There’s nothing wrong with having a conversation that doesn’t revolve around who the third most likely candidate for the Knicks coaching job might be.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:38 AM
So THAT’S why teachers are banging students so much…
April 30th, 2008 at 10:39 AM
Did anyone find it odd that in the same show where there was an entire segment on racism is sports, much of the previous segments involved painting large groups of people will a single brush? Costas got caught in this trap prior to the show and was careful to say there are some good bloggers but others took shots at entire groups be it radio hosts, bloggers, or – from Tiki and Strahan’s perspective – members of the media out to make a name. Costas and the like need to look in the mirror because you can find shitty content EVERYWHERE. It doesn’t matter who is signing your paycheck or what stage of dress you’re in when you write it.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:40 AM
Jay Mariotti’s column is a radio talk show. I couldn’t believe he was the voice of reason in the radio segment.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Come on, man. If you don’t want to live in a capitalist country, Russia awaits your arrival.
Citizens have to vote on all those stadium funds. If they don’t want them, vote no.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:42 AM
provided they can read. i know, cheap shot. no more so than bizzinger.
warren sapp, a grade-a jerk if there ever was one, summed up what most athletes think of print reporters: “thieves in the night.”
sad but true, there really isn’t a compelling for a jock — unless he (she?) wants to get into the broadcast business or is trying to sell something — to give two minutes to reporters.
when you are pulling eight figures a year, what’s the point?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:44 AM
We need to have our own forum and talk about Bob Costas et all. Actually, if we wanted to get snoody about it, there are plenty of people on the website with advanced degrees and accomplished resumes. The idea that we are operating out of our parents basements is hilarious.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Jason…while you are checking in…Did you ask Bob Costas how he picked people for each segment? I understand you and Wilbon in on the race discussion considering what you have doen with a lot of you coulmns over the last year and a half, but how does Braylon Edwards and Buzz Bissenger qualify to discuss blogging? Would it have made more sense to put a newspaper guy in that spot? Or did Costas just throw the leftovers in the Blogging segment>
April 30th, 2008 at 10:46 AM
@Sadly, that’s not too far from life on Around the Horn, either.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Nice summary. Agree, the race issue at the end was best…and Bob promised an entire show on the issue at a later date. Kudos, Bob, for raising the issue of the inability (lack of credibility or “body of work”) of the white journalist to “parachute” into the issue.
PS – Whitlock rocks.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:46 AM
I truly don’t understand why blogs, and bloggers, are hated so much by the sports media. The blogs I choose to read are funny, and they give me a platform, as a fan, to express my opinion. Why is that such a bad thing?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:47 AM
@Nick P.
Popular votes ain’t worth shit.
/Al Gore
April 30th, 2008 at 10:47 AM
please don’t misunderstand, i am far from one of these “they build stadiums but not schools” radical. but when owners start pulling stunts like jimmy dolan in new york, vince naimoli in tampa, bill bidwill in three cities, etc., etc, that’s when i get outraged.
the least owners can do when they get stadiums built by you and i is they treat people with respect and be upfront and honest. what the dolan’s or the world and bidwill (and many others) are doing is what i call slapping the hand that feeds you.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:48 AM
The Mariotti selection, I mean.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:50 AM
that’s the best analogy i’ve read. that’s why “whitlock is whitlock.” :^)
April 30th, 2008 at 10:51 AM
I also love the pop culture stuff. I don’t closely follow every sport so I like the mixture of stuff. I get my best laughs(especially during a crappy day) reading the guys comments about godzilla biscuits and such..
April 30th, 2008 at 10:51 AM
We’re going to have 2 more posts on this topic later today, so stop by!
/weak plug
April 30th, 2008 at 10:57 AM
@sportsgal: Because you’re supposed to get your opinion from Costas, Mariotti, myself, and the like. You’re certainly not supposed to form your own opinion. You get it from us.
/Asshat ‘Journalist’
April 30th, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Jimmy, I agree with you about the owners thing. Naimoli basically said I am building the crappy ass Trop so give me a team. It is a bad location with not much around. I hope and pray they get the new stadium(which looks great). Stupid St. Pete is worried that the new stadium will affect views on one of it’s streets and the parking will be a problem. These days new stadiums get the All-Star game. Don’t they realize how much money they could get from that???
April 30th, 2008 at 10:59 AM
every excuse someone has for not building that stadium — which won’t raise tax a dime *if* the numbers are actually correct — is weak.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:02 AM
TBL, great piece. You and Fire Joe Morgan really did a fine job of putting together cogent* responses to that traveshamockery**.
*$5 word derived from a $100k education dedicated to Buzz
** Irresponsible, made-up word, dumbing down society, to counter “cogent”.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:04 AM
just remembered: i know of a couple of longtime chicago beat writers who aren’t journalism majors: phil sullivan (tribune) and mike morrison (sun-times) who are english majors.
by bissinger’s logic, both should be run out on the first train leaving union station.
(rick telander doesn’t have a journalism degree either).
April 30th, 2008 at 11:05 AM
CORRECTION: mike mulligan (not morrison) with the sun-times.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:06 AM
I’m suing Buzz for using my blogoname w/o expressed written consent. He used implied oral consent.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:08 AM
The whole “you have to have a journalism degree to be a journalist” argument is incredibly stupid. I have a pre-med biology degree and I work at a telecom company, does that mean I’m incompetent at my job?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:14 AM
If I may offer a couple of tips and suggestions on the subject:
Try and keep your feet on the little footstep, if they give you one. That takes the weight off your shoulders, which will help, trust Me.
If they tie you to the cross, see if you can work your arms so the ropes end up supporting most of your weight. If not, insist they tie it super tight. You might lose some circulation, but the ropes may end up supporting your weight for a time. Every little bit helps.
If they nail you to the cross, well, you’re in for a long painful spell. Make sure they nail you through the wrist and not the palm. The wrist has enough meat to support you for a little bit. But your palm, nothing but blood vessels and flesh. Eventually your hand will start to tear away and it hurts. A lot.
Try not to drink the vinegar soaked rag they offer, either. It just makes you more thirsty.
If they use a crown of thorns, it’ll hurt and the blood will probably run into your eyes. If they crucify you on a sunny day be prepared for the blood, sweat and tears.
Try to avoid the spear thrust in the ribs – it’s going to hurt.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:14 AM
sportsgal, you can pre-med my telecom any time, darling
April 30th, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Oh, and regarding the topic at hand:
Um, I guess I really not fussed one way or the other on all of this. Sports are a pleasant diversion that some people take way too seriously. People reporting a pleasant diversion should be taken less seriously. You have the ability to choose and if you don’t like something, try something else! Free will!
April 30th, 2008 at 11:21 AM
The editor of the WSJ’s Opinion Journal, who writes Best of the Web Today (a daily must read), never graduated from college. No one accuses him of not being a journalist.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:22 AM
@clown – I think the anatomically correct phrasing would be for you to pre-med MY telecom, not the other way around.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Jesus, Any tips on carrying the cross? do you drag it or try to plant the center of it on the shoulder blades and carry it?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Is it just me or did Buzz Bissenger come across like Lewis Black on steroids, and in the process, make a total ass of himself?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:31 AM
@RomanWarHelmet:
First of all the cross was a solid piece of wood and very heavy. And having beaten and tortured before being hand a solid piece of wood to carry made it a little difficult. And yes, I did have some help (which was much appreciated).
My best advice would be to put your shoulder hard up against the juncture and look sharp as you walk through town. Some people might think crucifixtion is a doddle, and yes you are out in the open air, but it’s a burden.
Or drag it. What do you care, they are going to crucify you anyway.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:33 AM
nor did peter jennings i might add.
and, oh, isn’t costas still four credit hours short of a degree from syracuse?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:34 AM
My 2 pence for now:
I look at blogs as the next progression in journalism. That’s what’s got guys like Costas, Lupica, Albom and Bissinger in such a tizzy.
Let’s face it: why would folks wait an entire day for news, analysis and opinion when it can arrive in their e-mail boxes mere hours after an game or an event? It’s why magazines and newspapers have blogs now. They know their readers don’t want to find out tomorrow.
The other beauty about blogs is that they can be as wide or as narrow as the writers choose it to be. You have all-sports blogs (like TBL), sports-specific blogs (Basketbawful), even team-specific blogs (Hornets247 or the Arseblog).
Guess the old MSM will just have to adapt or get left behind.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Jimmy beat me to it – no, Costas does NOT have a college degree…hilarious irony.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:41 AM
I enjoy Leitch’s perspective on a lot of things. I have not yet gotten a chance to watch the show, but I have it saved on my DVR. I’m certainly looking forward to seeing it now. But I would like to add, nobody has a more vested interest in stirring up the Blogger v MSM debate than Leitch. He’s the one getting the publicity and driving traffic. I think he’s a smart and talented guy. But it’s important to note that this whole thing is part of the daily conversation at Deadspin (and the rest of the Interwebs). At some point, it becomes sort of like watching an endless loop of Terrell Owens coverage on ESPN.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:45 AM
it is clear that no one over the age of 40 has a love for fantasy sports… joe buck tried it, lost, stopped playing…
April 30th, 2008 at 11:47 AM
[cough]Chris. Post it to piratebay[/cough]
True or False:
Bloggers are to MSM as Piratebay is to Blockbuster
April 30th, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Will should have responded to Costas’s palatable remark with “I find you much shorter in person. Did Papa Smurf dress you this morning?”
April 30th, 2008 at 12:00 PM
as i stated before, i like costas a great deal. still do.
bissinger, well, i won’t be buying any of his books. you have to wonder about any hint of objectivity coming from him after last night’s display.
i stated yesterday leitch was being set up. it was as clear as crystal. and that’s exactly what happened. how many reporters/writers did costas have on there? yet he had just one blogger? you mean he or his producers could not have invited TBL or one of the guys from firejoemorgan.com (gasp! they want to fire someone) or maybe brooks?
not even florio??? (of course, he’s a lawyer and likely would have blown them all of of the water in that format. scratch him off the list).
it was a set up from the word “go.” let’s face it, outside of leitch, none of the guys on there (best i can tell) are making less than six figures. (well, maybe whitlock is pulling $85-90k).
how exactly can they relate to joe sixpack pulling $27k at some shit job with lousy bennies and a week’s vacation a year, busting his tail to pay his $900/month mortgage, car repair bills and dropping $60 each time he has to fill up the tank when these guys have two or three houses and jet off to the bahamas or boca in the winter? (nice run-on sentence, huh?)
and yet they can tell joe sixpack how he should think, what he should read and how he should live his life.
and last night after the taping they likely drank cocktails at a posh manhatten pub, talking about buying that cool BMW that’s rolling off the lot this summer.
give me a friggin’ break!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:02 PM
@ sportsgal: I wont pre-med your telecom on a first date
April 30th, 2008 at 12:09 PM
THERE ARE SMART PEOPLE IN COMMENTS SECTIONS!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:09 PM
“best i can tell) are making less than six figures. (well, maybe whitlock is pulling $85-90k).” Jimmy
Lead columnist for a major award winning sports page? Try doubling that amount. TBL would have better insight on salaries in newspapers.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:10 PM
The second date then clown?
April 30th, 2008 at 12:14 PM
FOR STARTERS, MIKE NORTH IS A CLOWN and he is not taken seriously by anyone in Chicagoland that listens to the ole AM.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:17 PM
guinnessGirl: absolutely. Although I’ll make a first date exception if you are involved.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:17 PM
@TBL – don’t give me the “smart” label, I can’t take the pressure! For God’s sake, I wrote “cood” in one of my comments!
@guinness – there better be, if he knows what’s good for him! HEY OH!
April 30th, 2008 at 12:36 PM
“Tiki Barber was good, too, and spoke about how athletes distrust the media. He made it seem like the media had ulterior motives”
Despite my loathe for Tiki Barber, he’s right. Because none of us should trust the media these days. It’s a control.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:40 PM
@ TBL
Just finished. Nice piece brotha. I’m glad I have onDemand so I can watch this in full later today.
Joe Buck hugs nuts.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Oh yea, I’m a teacher, with a History degree, speak two languages, and have certificates to teach spanish, english, history, and biology. I’m not that smart, but I’m not basement-dwelling mole peeple.
April 30th, 2008 at 2:02 PM
Do I need to list My qualifications? Really?
April 30th, 2008 at 2:11 PM
@Jesus: Hef’s not impressed.
April 30th, 2008 at 2:23 PM
It’s nothing but the current idiots with the power trying to hold on to it by shouting everyone else down. There’s a reason that I go to either TBL or Deadspin first and THEN ESPN.com every morning for my sports news.
Newspapers felt the pinch first from sports radio, and now the internet. They used to be the people (newspapers) who got to shape public opinion and deign to express their opinions from on high. They don’t have that absolute power anymore. It’s as simple as that. And the bad thing is they don’t seem to get that when they lash out at bloggers and their fans, they’re turning more people off. I bet there are fewer people that are Bob Costas fans today because of it. They just don’t realize their opinion is the minority opinion.
April 30th, 2008 at 2:24 PM
id rather watch The Office on TBS
April 30th, 2008 at 2:31 PM
…Every other person is paid for their opinion so prety much they are fighting each other on who’s opinion is more valid and why it is more valid and how the medium they work for makes it more valid. The argument a blogger needs to make, and is not making, is that most of these big names are now middle age millionaire white men (not all but most) and how does that identify with 99% of their readership? The bloggers are closer to the “common person†than the columnists that are condemming them and one day as the best bloggers make their way and get paid the next group will come after them. These columnists forget what it was like starting out and were in their day most likely put down and abused by the big deal columnists of their day…its life but at least acknowledge it not don’t condem the new medium because of insecurity.
@ RomanWarHelmet: Those are the most insightful words Ive read on this topic all day!
Also, Awful Announcing has a great post up as well.