Why Does Everyone Hate Willie Randolph?
Baseball, Race May 21st. 2008, 6:00pm
We’ve sort of ignored this story for a couple days, just it seemed too silly to believe. But Willie Randolph, the embattled manager of New York Mets, popped off recently to one-time TBL interview subject Ian O’Connor on the subject of race and coaching in New York. In a candid interview, Randolph ripped SNY (the team’s network), and chided fans who have been booing the Mets since the season opener. Then, he some racial beef off his chest:
“I don’t know how to put my finger on it, but I think there’s something there. Herman Edwards did pretty well here and he won a couple of playoff [games], and they were pretty hard on Herm. Isiah [Thomas] didn’t do a great job, but they beat up Isiah pretty good. … I don’t know if people are used to a certain figurehead. There’s something weird about it. I think it’s very important … that I handle myself in a way that the [African-American managers] coming behind me will get the opportunities, too … .”
We’ve actually got zero beef with anything Randolph said. Herman Edwards did a fine job with the Jets until the fans turned on him for various reasons (most of them unreasonable, but you can’t expect anything less from those guys). Fans are quick to point out his poor clock management skills, yet refuse to accept that he guided the Jets to the playoffs three times in five seasons, and he actually won two playoff games. Without getting into an entire song and dance about his last season here, the Jets labored through numerous injuries at all the significant positions and went 4-12 before he wisely bailed on an injured-plagued team for what he thought were greener pastures in KC.
Randolph? He’s actually had a similar tenure in New York to Jim Leyland’s in Detroit. In 2006, Leyland guided the Tigers to the World Series, where they were pummeled by the St. Louis Cardinals. In 2006, Randolph and the Mets reached the NLCS, but they lost in terrific game seven at home to the Cardinals. Both teams followed that up by missing the postseason; the Tigers finished a distant second to the Indians, while the Mets suffered an epic collapse and narrowly missed the playoffs.
This past offseason the Mets added the best pitcher in baseball, Johan Santana; the Tigers shook up baseball by dealing for one of the best young hitters in the game, Miguel Cabrera. The Mets have started slowly, and are 22-21, just 2.5 games behind the Marlins in the NL East. Detroit? It had one of the worst starts in baseball, and is now 18-27, good for the worst record in the American League, already 6.5 back of the White Sox. Leyland is damn near losing his mind.
Have Tigers fans been calling for Leyland’s head? Have Tigers fans been booing since opening week? This is more about insufferable, idiotic Mets fans than anything else. At the risk of breaking out the broad brush – Mets fans seem to be a clueless bunch, full of unreasonable expectations, and too much penis envy for the Yankees. Get a fucking clue, people. It’s mid-May. The Mets are in the hunt; the Tigers probably aren’t. Is Randolph the reason Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado aren’t hitting? Is Randolph the reason Pedro’s arm is shit? Is Randolph the one who signed Luis Castillo?
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May 21st, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Phillies fans love willie randolph
May 21st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Minaya, Beltran, Delgado, Martinez, Castillo. Sounds like them Latins are the Mets’ real problem.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Fixed?
May 21st, 2008 at 6:13 pm
To take it on a quasi-related rant:
New Yorkers are insufferable, elitist, self-absorbed ass clowns? You don’t say!
May 21st, 2008 at 6:14 pm
By the way, that’s been one of the more interesting subplots in baseball that (maybe) has gone underreported. With so few black ballplayers, now it’s the white guys vs. the Latinos. Do white guys hate salsa music that much?
May 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
If Willie had a blowout and started rockin’ A/X gear, he would be loved like Sinatra and DeNiro combined.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:16 pm
who is the big mets fan, roman? I know Mike is back in a few days after his month-long bet, but im curious to hear from Mets fans what their beef is with willie.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:21 pm
@TBL
This may be one answer.
I don’t think it’s directly about race, but I think a lot of criticism of black coaches/managers has a little racial edge to it.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:24 pm
As a Mets fan I’m sick of Randolph not showing any emotion whatsoever. He never gets angry at the team for anything. Its unreal. Wagner is the only one with balls to say anything. That should be the manager’s job.
The issue I have with that interview is that Randolph made it seem like a race thing when NY boos managers. Really? Joe Torre won 4 WS and people wanted him out. Giants fans hated Coughlin until they won the Super Bowl. Fassel was run out of town besides going to the Super Bowl. Think of everyone else thats not black… Bobby Valentin, Dallas Green, Don Casey. The list goes on.
There is no reason to make this a race issue. Its a fickle NY issue. For a guy that always says, “We’re getting there, we’re getting there,” He seems to have a lot to say about this topic.
I’m sick of his passive agressiveness when dealing with everything.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:28 pm
This is an interesting role reversal.
Black guys manage like this…..
White guys manage like this!!!!!
May 21st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
And Latin guys manage like this ~~~~~~~~~~
May 21st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
The real problem is Anna Benson
oh she’s gone now? sorry
May 21st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Torre won his last in like 2000, and after six years without a title (but with playoff appearances) the idiotic fan base felt that joe was the reason. also, torre rarely showed emotion – as if yelling and cussing and pumping a fist matters. ozzie guillen shows a lot of emotion. what’s it gotten him in the last two years? (and if you say he won a title BECAUSE of the emotion …)
emotion. right. girardi has made a huge difference.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:42 pm
willie costs us games. he can’t handle a bullpen, and it has already cost us this year. doesn’t get guys up in time, take em out in time. that and he has the personality of a wet blanket, he isn;t entitled to anything and he acts like he is. does the buck not stop with him? he sohould be canned before we are 50-48 and complaining that he can’t motivate anyone…
May 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
So how’d he get them to the NLCS? Where’d the 88 (or whatever) wins come from last year?
May 21st, 2008 at 6:54 pm
TBL- Torre won a title in his second year in NY so he has free reign. When your manager refuses to go out and stick up for the team it gets ridiculous. Delgado has a HR taken away on Sunday and Willie just sits there and his bench coach gets thrown out. I’m not saying he has to go crazy but come on. Do something.
And again explain to me how this is a race issue? Because you said you have zero beef with what Randolph said when Willie doesn’t even point out how this same thing has happened to white coaches.
I love how everything has to be a race war.
I stood by Randolph last year but the way the Delgado fiasco not coming out for the curtain call, the ridiculous way he handles the bullpen, and the way he he never says anything is his fault is old.
And how can you use Girardi as an example when you say its “It’s mid-May.” Man keep speaking out of both sides of your mouth but attacking people’s opinions. Thats cool.
May 21st, 2008 at 6:56 pm
TBL: they blew it last year, remember. I think the argument is that willie costs them wins. This 88 win team should be a 95+ win team.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:12 pm
@ Hef
Sorry, that’s bogus. An average manager doesn’t win or lose a team 7+ games a year–if they made that much of a difference, they’d get paid a lot more.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Is this Willie’s first time in New York? The guy played almost 15 years in the Big Apple, you’d think he would have had an inkling of what he was getting in to. Go manage the Royals or Pirates if you can’t handle the heat.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Why should this team win 95 games? HOw can you say that about any team? Maybe you THINK they CAN win 95, but to say they SHOULD win 95 is another animal.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:34 pm
And it might not be Randolph’s fault that Los Mets don’t like sticking around the clubhouse after a loss, leaving Wright and Wagner to answer to the media, but he could do something about it. Besides standing there with a blank look on his face or bitching about (then back tracking) how the racist media has mistreated he and Isiah.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
I am a die hard Mets fan…..and I cant stand Willie. He’s an atrocious in game manager and has zero communication skills and no idea how to interact with his players (friend of mine worked in the clubhouse). How he still has a job after the collapse is a joke. He can’t motivate anyone.
May 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
…and I also hate him for saying he helped bring us Mets fans out of hiding and telling me the real reason I dont like him cuz he’s black.
May 21st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I don’t think this year’s team “should” win 95 games. I think last year’s team should have won more than 88 and should have won the division. In playing devil’s advocate, it becomes apparent that the fine people of NY in all of their baseball wisdom expect a lineup of Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Delgado, Alou, Castillo, Church, et al to win on a consistent basis and I don’t blame them for thinking these things. That’s a potent fucking lineup right there that is being out played by a rag tag bunch of fat kids. It seems as if there are problems in the clubhouse that Willie is either unwilling or unable to solve and that is his job to do so.
Frankly, I’m glad the Mets are blowing up because it’s one less “good” team that the Dbacks have to worry about in the playoffs.
May 21st, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Mets fan here, I don’t necessarily hate the guy. but there’s a problem when a team with that much talent and that huge of a payroll is floundering at .500 since last year’s all-star break. Some games they pretty much look like they aren’t even trying. Granted it’s not all his fault. They’re just a frustrating team to watch – I can say I’ve never hated a favorite team before this year’s Mets. Since you can’t fire the players, Willie is getting the heat.
May 21st, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Listening to disgruntled Mets fans on WFAN is pretty amusing. A good number of them try to subtly play the race card, but can’t pull it off very well. Hard to believe there are people booing Santana already. The group that amuses me the most are the ones that still dislike Delgado for the whole “not standing during the Anthem” thing.
May 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Countdown on scoop putting 5000 words on this begins now…
May 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pm
I’m a Met fan, and I’ve never been so embarassed by my brethern.
Is isn’t Willie’s fault Delgado is done, or Castillo got 4 years when Earl Campbell has better knees. It isn’t Willie’s fault the Mets depended on Pedro and El Duque to take up a bunch of innings. It isn’t Willie’s fault that Wright is the only power hitter they have who is not a member of AARP.
And the idea that he has to jump up and down to manage is ridiculous. If the true measure of a manager is how many time his tirades get shown on Youtube, call Larry Bowa’s agent and bring him in, I’m sure everyone will be thrilled with him when he drives Wright out of New York like he did with his last young third baseman.
Cole is on the right track; last year’s collapse has put the fanbase in a foul mood that only a 100 win season could fix. The fans don’t like the team and the team doesn’t like the fans (expecting Delgado to run out of the dugout for a curtain call after being booed to Doug Sisk levels may be asking a little much).
As for Willie thinking the dislike is on racial lines, he is wrong. Of course, hearing call after call on WFAN bemoaning the number of Latin players Minaya was bringing in (which is like a fan of a soccer team complaining about the number of Brazilians coming in) could cloud someone’s judgement.
It doesn’t matter. Willie will be gone by the Fourth of July and the Mets won’t get any better.
May 21st, 2008 at 8:59 pm
I just hate it that when a team coached by a black man struggles and fans are irrational and call for his firing some idiot pops off that there are racial undertones.
this time its the actual manager and it just sounds like some bullshit deflection strategy.
So fans want you to win you dont and you get booed it happens. You are the manager of a team that has spent big money and has underperformed. Your situation is not unique
May 21st, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Hey TBL, i have no problem with Willie (favorite player growing up), but you are completly off base on Herm. it wasn’t just his horrible clock management, it was his AWFUL in game coaching. he’s great monday through saturday, but come gameday he is terrible. the first playoffs they backed their way in, and the second time they should have beaten the steelers. but he was the only person not to know that NO KICKER ever reached from the yardage he kicked from. he actually cost the team yards by taking two knees. defend Willie all you want, but before you go saying about Jets fans “but you can’t expect anything less from those guys” get your facts straight.
May 21st, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Fire Dusty!
May 21st, 2008 at 10:13 pm
There has always been a tinge of bias with the NY media between Black and White. Whether they were referring to the Knicks as the Niggerbockers, or all of a sudden discovering Mike Tyson’s character flaws only after he dumped Bill Cayton and Kevin Rooney after making him a media darling while having the same information beforehand. I believe the angle they took in the whole Isiah/Marbury/Larry Brown saga was racially tinged. While Brown was being his usual snakish self and contacting GM’s from other teams behind Isiah’s back, he was being portrayed as the victim. The treatment and perception of Dave Winfield compared to Don Mattingly is another example, especially during the batting title race in 84. People talk about Herm Edwards but he got that historically bum ass organization to the playoffs 3 times in 5 years.
May 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm
No offense, TBL, but as a Jets fan, I can say without hyperbole that this is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read.
May 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Sorry, but the Mets just aren’t that good. Sure, they have a clubhouse chocked full of name players, but this isn’t a terribly productive group of guys. Randolph may or may not be part of the problem, but this Mets team isn’t going to go far with even the most flawless managing.
May 21st, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Tigers will turn it around! Leyland is fine.
May 21st, 2008 at 11:38 pm
I still think the Tribe is much better than their record to date, but I don’t foresee anyone running away with the AL Central. So, yes, if the Tigers pitching comes together they have a shot. But, good God…the Tigers pitching staff is abysmal!
May 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 am
that team shoulda won more games… they woulda won with anyone at the helm…coulda…is that wrong?
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 am
I can only say this about my fellow Mets fans: they’re retarded.
I felt that once they decided to bring Willie Randolph back, we had to give him the year. Not April. Not “until it’s convenient”. A year, and those that agreed with me – there were a few – agreed with that sentiment too; we brought him back, give him half a chance.
But the media has been stroking their record, stroking it, stroking it, and idiot fans that call into WFAN keep stroking it, stroking it, lighting that fire, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s bullshit. It’s gutless. If the Mets turn it around under Willie, he’ll be the talk of the town again, everyone will be riding his dick like a Macy’s float, and since the internet and radio afford comfortable anonymity, everyone will forget that they were a bloodthirsty rabble a few months prior when they dragged every shitty name out of a hat they could to replace Willy (Valentine! Hargrove! Alou! Dallas Green! DALLAS FUCKING GREEN!?).
Mets fans almost make me wish I rooted for the Royals sometimes.
May 22nd, 2008 at 8:41 am
It’s always racism if a black guy doesn’t do well. How about winning? The guy choked a series against an 80 win team in ‘06 and had the most historic collapse in baseball history in ‘07. Thats racism that hes not liked in Queens?
May 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 am
TBL…in all due respect but take your “broad brush” and shove it straight up your ass…Mets fans are different and they are more enlightened than you realize or Mike and the Mad Dog tell you they are…because the minority gets on the radio and don’t know what they are talking about (us real people have jobs that do not allow us to sit on hold to talk to Mike and the Mad Dog)…as for Willie…I tend to like Willie more than some other fans, there is a percentage of the fan base that will hate you as long as you are Mets manager, forget race or creed, and there are others who never warmed up to Willie over bad bullpen decisions, stupid line up changes and other minute things like having the PA announcer bring out the team as “Willie Randolph’s New York Mets” or just being a former Yankee. What I liked about Willie is he was a winner, he was aggressive with the team and he pushed his younger players…that was 2005 and 2006. Now everyone loves to gloss over the last month of 2007. It happened 6 months ago..it’s an open wound and the team has not shown anything to show they are better than what happened. Is that all Willie’s fault, no, but the things Willie was good for he has gone away from. He has alienated Jose Reyes, he has shown no support for his young starters Perez, Maine and Pelfrey, yanking them before they can show something. He over uses his bullpen, never defines roles and then beats the same guys over and over because they have “good stuff” Last year it was Mota, this year it was Sosa and it is Heilman and it will be Wise. The one other thing Willie was good for was being bland with the media and not stoking the flames. Keep down the distractions…Guess what..he made himself the distraction. He called out the fans. He called out the Network the fans watch. He mentioned race where, in Willie’s case, I don’t see race as an issue. If this team actually played hard it would not be an issue. The accountability is gone. David Wright is jogging. Castillo gets excuses for not running shit out. Delgado has been a disgrace but Willie does not rest him. He had Angel Pagan start off hot, bad mouthed him and pulled him out of the lineup before Alou came back. He had a lineup that worked and won five straight, was about to sweep the Phillies but he changes the lineup and they lose the Phillie game and 4 out of 5. His team can’t beat last place teams. They look dead. Now is this all Willies fault, no, but I can’t fire Beltran or Reyes or Wright. I can’t get rid of Luis Castillo. Omar Minaya is to blame as well and if Willie goes he is next on the radar screen. If you watch this team on a night in night out basis (you watch Gossip Girl so you don’t) you would see this team is fading, they win in spite themselves and that is not acceptable when you have 3 All-Stars in the lineup, an A+ Ace and a Stud closer….it is not acceptable at all. So firing Willie is more about trying to jump start the team and if that is what needs to happen I am all for it. I am also for cutting Delgado, it’s his last year; to prove a point…everyone is too comfortable in their losing…it’s time to prove a point. That’s why you fire the Manager…he is hired to be fired.
May 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am
As the saying goes, best to be thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Some people, well, some NY fans need to get a clue. Some of us think we are entitled to winning by virtue of our geographic location. The biggest problem with my douchie met fan friend is that he gives absolutely zero credit to the opposition and he has to put a face to the problem. He simply cant stand that his favorite team is not as good as he thought. Jose Reyes isnt hitting because Luis Castillo doenst provide enough protection; or the Mets collapsed and Wille sat back and did nothing. Give me a break. Anyone who thinks Willie Randolph is responsible for the Met problems is clueless about baseball. And with regards to not being able to handle a bullpen!?!? Give me a break people. He goes to the people that his general manger has provided him! He manages in the national league and is forced to make pitching moves constantly and this just in, he cant got to Feliciano (A LOOGY) and Joe Smith every freaking night. He needs Heilman and Sanchez to get their collective arms out of their asses. As for emotion: Please. You are all kidding yourselves if you think we know everything that goes on. Most fans get what the TV shows them or what they read. We have NO IDEA what really goes on in a clubhouse. In the past few weeks Wright, Chruch and Randolph himself have come out and said there are the occasional table flips and they do nothing. Ranolph had a point when he said the fans only get to see what SNY wants to show. So give me a break met fans; stop looking for a scapegoat. In the immortal words of Don Corleone, “YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN!”
@ TBL : Yankee penis envy – great call bud!
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
WANN…so why have a manager if there is no accountability…I watch this team..I don’t need to read or listen to anyone to know that they are playing like shit. It is not like firing a manger hasn’t worked in the past, teams like the Marlins won a World Sereis because a change in manager changed the style they play. As for protecting Jose, he had Ryan Church do it and they won five straight games, but chose to take the protection away and both Reyes and Wright slid down hill…Ryan Church didn’t remove himself from that spot…the manager did. With that said I still like Willie but I understand that something needs to happen. As for Yankee penis envy…go Fuck your self…I am mad we are losing to our biggest rival..the Braves in awful embarrassing fashion…not because the Yankees won some World Series last decade. If you didn’t go through last year..you don’t know..so Fuck you..this is my anger this is my team and I can think and feel how I please…the ownership is feeling the same way..calling meetings with Willie and Omar telling them things must change…I expect things because this team has shown it before…not just because they spent money…
May 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 am
@Roman’s first post:
I’m not sure the situation could have been explained any better.