NBA Finals: A Plea to Root for Boston
NBA June 5th. 2008, 1:00pm
Not from us, but sometime-TBL contributer Dan Lamothe of Red Sox Monster. He makes a solid point: Why, historically, have fans wanted to ‘win one for [insert title-less veteran here]‘ but nobody feels that way this year for KG, Pierce and Ray Allen? Is it because sports fans simply hate all-things Boston?
I’m sorry.
At some point, we Boston sports fans are obligated to say that, aren’t we? At least, that’s the general consensus around the Internet, as angry sports fans from Philadelphia to Northern California tell us we haven’t earned the right to have three teams competing for a world championship within the same year.
The thing is, they’re all right. Massachusetts has had an embarrassment of sporting riches for years now, and you sure as hell don’t need me to tell you that.
The sad part? The 2004 Red Sox were historic and the 2001 Patriots were underdog specials, but the 2007-2008 Celtics have largely been reduced to a punchline in the blogosphere. Thanks to our fanbase’s always-blossoming reputation for idiocy, insufferability and all-around lack of situational awareness (“Dooood! Did you see what they did with Welkah!?!?”), one of the greatest NBA stories of the last decade — three frustrated future Hall of Famers potentially busting through to finally win a title — is overshadowed.
What a shame.
It didn’t have to be this way. Once upon a time — oh, say 2003 — sports fans tended to rally behind longtime stars like Kevin Garnett, rooting for them to win The Big One for the first time. In the NBA, fans have done it for everyone from David Robinson and Charles Barkley to Reggie Miller and Clyde Drexler in my lifetime alone, and the reasoning has always been somewhat the same: “Yeah, man, but I’m kinda pulling for _____ to get one this year. He deserves it.”
Think Garnett/Pierce/Allen get that same kind of support? Hell nah, man — the more likely scenario is that as the NBA Finals begin tonight, there will be a massive anti-Boston contingent out there who would chew their own arm off while hanging out at a New Kids on the Block reunion concert than watch any Boston team win anything, ever again.
Celtics fans, meanwhile, are faced with a choice: Mute their excitement to an unreasonably low level for a team that hasn’t sniffed a championship in two decades, or risk being labeled as That Guy: the insufferable Masshole sports fan who believes it is his God-given right to watch his teams dominate in the playoffs every year.
Taking all that into account, here’s one thing I desperately ask for, on behalf of a difficult-to-love fan base: Consider giving the Celtics a shot.
Root for them just through this series, as they take on another Lincoln Town Car franchise that has tasted success far more frequently over the last 20 years than the Celts probably ever would have, even without Reggie Lewis’ untimely death. Root for them because they are most assuredly not a dynasty, but primarily a group of hard-working veterans with a small window of time to pull the whole thing off.
Most importantly, root for them because if you block your ears just long enough, it’ll make you feel good about yourself if they can pull it off.
I think so, anyway — after all, the Red Sox did just pull back into first place.
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June 5th, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Yes.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Boston will be lucky to win one game
June 5th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Massholes says it all
June 5th, 2008 at 1:04 PM
NEVER!!!!!!!
/Anti-Boston
June 5th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
i will go in on something with you if you think the lakers sweep. in fact, i will give you odds. interested?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
/fixed
June 5th, 2008 at 1:07 PM
This argument would work better if the Celtics hadn’t already won 16 titles. Granted, they haven’t won since the 80’s, but I’ve heard plenty about Larry Legend, the Gahden, Russell, Cousy, and Red. If Garnett and Allen had joined the Sixers or the Wizards or a team with a less glorious history (to say nothing of the proximity and shared fanbases of the Red Sox and Pats), this argument would be more persuasive.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Is Ray Allen really a hall-of-famer? Serious question.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Let’s see some action, boys. I think irish should get one post a week for a month.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:08 PM
LA Lakers path to the NBA Finals: Denver, Utah, and San Antonio
Boston’s path to the NBA Finals: 7 game series with ATL, 7 game series with Cleveland, and Detroit in 6
The LA Lakers have crushed better opponents than the Boston Celtics already. This matchup favors the Lakers with ease
June 5th, 2008 at 1:08 PM
No.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:09 PM
No way is Allen a Hall of Famer. Not even close.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:09 PM
@TBL- LA wins tonight, Boston wins Game 2. Back to LA to finish them off with a 3 game sweep. I dont think they will sweep
June 5th, 2008 at 1:10 PM
I’m rooting for Boston. Laker fans booing KB24 on opening night, and now hanging from his balls is just one group I can’t do.
For the record, I’d boo and still boo. Let’s see how Kobe reacts if things go badly this series…think he’ll play nice then?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:10 PM
most players who get that treatment dont quit on their teams
several years ago KG was one of those players
now he isnt, im not pulling for someone who quit on their team to get a ring now that theyre on a stacked team. i sure as shit didnt ever pull for vince carter to win with the nets and wont with KG either
June 5th, 2008 at 1:10 PM
Here’s a counterplea to Boston and all of its whiny, self-important, bandwaggoning residents: drown in quicksand.
Oh, and since when is Ray Fucking Allen a Hall of Famer?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:11 PM
I’m rooting for the Lakers and the best player on the planet. (Yes I went there)
June 5th, 2008 at 1:11 PM
At least Allen has that MTV Movie Award nomination to hang his hat on.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:12 PM
sports fans don’t hate boston. sports fans hate boston fans.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Ray Allen a Hall of Famer? i want some of your pot
June 5th, 2008 at 1:16 PM
I bet my buddy any team but the Lakers to win before the conference finals. Therefore, I’m now stuck rooting for the Celtics.
/wondering if the money is really worth cheering for a team from Boston..nope, it’s not
June 5th, 2008 at 1:16 PM
irish…screw that, i got some chronic that’ll make you think Sebastian Telfair is a Hall of Famer.
id root for the celtics if they still had Al Jeff instead of KG. im not anti-boston, per se, more anti-KG and PP.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:16 PM
what are your terms for irish, tbl? perhaps he’ll consider.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:17 PM
I truely just wish the worst for the city of Boston.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:18 PM
@TBL- will you take a 4-1 series instead of 4-0?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:20 PM
i refuse to root for a guy who pounds his chest when he’s beating teams by 20 and plays hot potato with the basketball when his team needs a basket. also, the bill russell kevin garnett interviews on espn took all the pressures of kg winning a ring away. didn’t russell promise him a ring?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Generally speaking, fans want to see a title-less veteran win it with their longtime team, not with the team they were gifted to by the GM’s former teammate and buddy. Lots of fans wanted Gary Payton to get a title with the Sonics, but when he won it with Miami, did anyone really give a shit?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:22 PM
alowaish – perhaps said removal of pressure will prompt KG to not play “hot potato”
June 5th, 2008 at 1:22 PM
allen is not a hall of famer and even pierce is borderline IMO. Lakers in 6, I hate the Celtics. I actually root for the Red Sox because how can you not like Manny Ramirez and I loathe the Yankees so that helps.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:23 PM
msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/8213226/College-baseball-shares-many-of-college-hoops’-ills
^^ Yo Did you guys read this Whitlock story? *daps all around*
June 5th, 2008 at 1:23 PM
i think it goes to 7 – david stern never passes up an opportunity for good PR
June 5th, 2008 at 1:25 PM
David Stern is Illuminati?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:27 PM
he is on this
June 5th, 2008 at 1:27 PM
Really damn…
June 5th, 2008 at 1:28 PM
So the fact that the Celts won 12 titles before I was born means something? For the same reason I make fun of Yankee fans for bringing up all the their titles from the 20’s, I don’t think it’s relevent to bring up the Russell/Cousy/Havlichek titles.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:29 PM
kfceater- yeah, fat chance that happens..
June 5th, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Way to go guys… a guy basically begging you to stop hating us, at least for this series, and you respond with “we hate you”. Is there anything Boston fans can do from here until eternity that will suit you? I almost liked it better when we were losing and people liked us.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:31 PM
@TBL- do we got a bet? i say Boston wins one game, Lakers win 4-1
June 5th, 2008 at 1:32 PM
your plea has fallen upon deaf ears.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:32 PM
its not that we hate you cuz ur winning.. its that u rub our faces in it like u did it all the time… its been 21 years since the celtics made the finals, yet you guys are acting like you get to the finals every year
June 5th, 2008 at 1:33 PM
This is going to be tough watch for me. I hate the Lakers….especially Kobe Bryant.
I’m on board hoping the Celtics win, but I’ll be holding my nose in doing so.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:33 PM
i don’t hate boston fans. i don’t even hate boston teams. i just hate bill belichick (just kidding, i don’t hate the man – i don’t even know him! but i do hope the patriots go 0-6 in the east this year)
June 5th, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Charlie Sheen is a new kind of RAW. He told his ex Denise Richards the following in a text:
“I hope you and your worthless retarded father get cancer and join your stupid mom (who died of cancer). Rot in hell…†[What did they do?!?!?!]
June 5th, 2008 at 1:35 PM
@johndewar-no wonder you made that hate comment about Kobe winning the MVP.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I dont like people who root for Boston after their team lost , WTF is that??!!?? I am putting half a knot on the Lakers tonight 2.5 point underdogs I think
June 5th, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I don’t understand why Boston fans get so upset about being hated. I’d relish that hate if the Titans won the Super Bowl, Vanderbilt won the CFB Nation Title and The Grizzlies won the finals…
on second thought I’d be very scared that the universe was about to end.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:36 PM
Here’s a clue: stop bitching about how people hate you.
It stuns me that despite all the success they’ve had in the last decade, Boston fans still carry around their inferiority complex. It’s not enough for you to win, you have to win and be universally beloved. Get over yourselves.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I can’t hate Boston fans for rubbing it in our faces. God knows if Philly wins a title, you will NEVER hear the end of it from Philly fans.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:36 PM
I wonder who you hang around with? I can only speak for myself and the other Boston fans that I know (all of my friends and family), but the prevelant feeling is that we’re relieved to make the Finals, because anything else would have been a huge disappointment.
You people make things up to justify your misplaced anger. Or latch onto to whatever Simmons is writing as gospel truth, which is much worse.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:37 PM
I am going to blind fire this, cuz I aint got time to read about how some boston fan thinks everyone is rooting against his team. I am not rooting against the celtics….I think that the Lakers are going to win because they are a better team. Their bench actually pushes the lead when they get on the court, unlike Boston’s, which barely sees the court all together.
It’s not even about fans disliking boston, or liking the lakers. The celtics have a shitty coach and a shitty bench. Plain and simple.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:38 PM
I went to the Footie Match last night Argentina vs Mexico here in Diego and wow was it getting ugly for the Argentian fans. It was like Revolutionary Mexico up in Qualcomm and Argentian fans were the Spaniards getting doused with Beer and everything else
June 5th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
oh yea, I hope that the big three of the celtics do win a title…I think they have put themselves in position to win one, but they just happen to have bad timing, that’s all.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Hey If you’re Doc Rivers son and your pops just bought a Suite is there anyway you dont live it up Vegas the whole summer …..
June 5th, 2008 at 1:40 PM
@August
If this is criteria for the end of the universe, I feel very safe.
/see you in November
June 5th, 2008 at 1:40 PM
one more thing….
Go Magic!!!
June 5th, 2008 at 1:40 PM
i hope fans of american sports never get as crazy as soccer fans
June 5th, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Check out the youtubes on here I pulled from KG’s old teammate at Farragut who was arguably better then him, and completely rediculous:
http://chicagobull.blogspot.com/2008/06/ronnie-fieldswho-knows-how-good-he.html
June 5th, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Dear Boston:
Jump off a fucking cliff.
Thanks,
Reds/Cavs/Bengals fan.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Ronnie Fields
June 5th, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Ronnie Fields and Michael Wright played with KG …..Yo Ronnie never developed his game he balled in the CBA for awhile… Remember Taj McDavid?
June 5th, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Chicago BallPlayers > _________
June 5th, 2008 at 1:44 PM
I want in on this Lakers sweeping bet, dammit. I don’t see boston winning one either.
In other news…did I actually see someone here actually say that Ray Allen is a hll of famer….serioulsy, if he is then by god Derrick Coleman is to. No fucking way allen is a hall of famer…so what he’s the best pure shooter in a very long time. That’s all he’s got.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Who was it the other day that said TBL commenters are kind of, um, angry?
Yeah, that guy had a point.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:46 PM
chicago ballplayers > d-leaguers, maybe
June 5th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
The guy was a complete sicko.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:49 PM
Yeah he played in the CBA for awhile, but after that car accident that had in him in a halo for a year I think (can’t remember) he was never the same after that. I can’t think of any high school player who got his own highlights segment every night on the 10 o’clock news like Fields. He was incredible
June 5th, 2008 at 1:49 PM
@ mizerle06: that’s about the only cosmology I can rely on to make sure I’m here tomorrow.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:51 PM
angry? where the fuck do you see anger on this thread? i think we’re being pretty fucking generous, since this guy is actually asking us to give the cetlics a shot at winning.
/Buzz Bissinger
June 5th, 2008 at 1:53 PM
Also, this post is not asking people to give the Celtics a shot. It’s asking people to root for the Celtics. Two very different things.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:53 PM
@August: I guess I could say the same about my beloved Vols; they’re looking to be on track for a long period of upper echelon mediocrity.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:55 PM
you’ll be lucky to get that mizer, as long as fulmer is at the helm
/go gators
June 5th, 2008 at 1:59 PM
Little late here but vanillablue said it well, you root for veterans with no title but who try to get their on their team. KG spends like 12 years in Minny but now we are supposed to remember him as some Celtic great, fuck that. I was so happy when that 2004 lakers team with Payton/Malone didn’t win it all.
As for HOF, Ray Allen – no fucking way, PP – maybe but not yet, KG – unfortunately yes.
June 5th, 2008 at 1:59 PM
@kfc: No, I’m fairly certain Fulmer’s middle name is mediocre and his coaching credo is “Don’t fuck up too bad.”
/go to hell gators
June 5th, 2008 at 2:01 PM
He used “give a shot” and “root for” in back to back sentences, you can’t really separate them now. I don’t think there is an overwhelming amount of people out here rooting for one team or the other. I think this a way for boston fans to come up with a contrived way to boost their team. All I have seen are people mentioning that the Lakers are clearly a better team with a better coach. I think that all of us can agree that the Celtics have a chance on the fact that they are an NBA team, they have talent.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Who ever said that KG was a “Celtic great”?
June 5th, 2008 at 2:06 PM
TBS and ESPN did when they forced as many halftime interviews as they could with him down our throats.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:07 PM
St. Bear, this has been the feeling of all the Boston fans down here in South Florida. Granted, that is a small, mostly douchy part of the population, but that is the feeling around here.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:09 PM
If you judge these Finals (or any sports match-up for that matter) on the puff pieces that ESPN puts out, than you shouldn’t be on this website because you’re just a casual sports fan. Nobody in their right mind would consider KG a Celtic great.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Um…have you seen that pathetic interview with Bill Russell?
June 5th, 2008 at 2:13 PM
@alowaish- where you in south florida? im in sarasota county
June 5th, 2008 at 2:14 PM
i think the saddest thing about these finals, comedy wise, is that bill walton will not be anywhere near the broadcast booth. i think he would ejaculate on national television if he was doing the play by play…
June 5th, 2008 at 2:15 PM
irish, miami beach… dade…
June 5th, 2008 at 2:17 PM
very familiar with that area. good stuff
June 5th, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Last comment on this, fans are going to root for their teams. Coming out and asking the fans that don’t have a team in the race anymore is kind of douchy. Real fans of the NBA, that don’t have a team in the finals, probably aren’t rooting for one team or the other. They are probably just hoping for a good series that plays out well on TV. Don’t come out and ask people to root for your team just because your guys haven’t won a title. Give us something else, like, don’t root for the rapist, or root for us because we need to overcome our shitty coach.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:19 PM
root for us because we need to overcome our shitty coach.
the same shitty coach who will probably get a contract extension after this season, seeing as though he took the team to the finals…
June 5th, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Amen.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:23 PM
A team with talent on the first team like the celtics can overcome a shitty coach during the season, and during the playoffs against teams like the hawks (sucked), cavs (even shittier coach) and the pistons (even shittier coach than the cavs), but they can’t overcome SAM CASSELL, or a team with talent of the same level ro greater, and a hall of fame coach.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:25 PM
I’m with coop. People don’t want to root for them because they changed teams. People didn’t want to root for Payton and Malone with the Lakers because it felt dirty for them to change teams just to win a title. It changed them from a guy you wanted to root for to just another mercenary. That’s what’s happening here.
Sure, people hate Boston and that helps, but really it’s the mercenary thing.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:28 PM
“I can’t hate Boston fans for rubbing it in our faces. God knows if Philly wins a title, you will NEVER hear the end of it from Philly fans.”
BINGO! Completely agree, which is why I’ve been rooting for at least two titles from Philly sports. I’d love to pass along the hate torch. Can’t we just all agree to root against the rapist?
June 5th, 2008 at 2:35 PM
I manage to hate Philly fans despite the fact they’ve never won anything. It’s all about effort people, you can hate whoever you want.
June 5th, 2008 at 2:43 PM
“It stuns me that despite all the success they’ve had in the last decade, Boston fans still carry around their inferiority complex. It’s not enough for you to win, you have to win and be universally beloved. Get over yourselves.”
So we are hated for being cocky and self-conscious simultaneously? I guess we really can’t win!
June 5th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
@ cracker jack: there are a lot of people out there, man. We all hate Boston sports/fans for different reasons, but the important part is that we all come together, pick sides, THEN hurl insults.
/koom-bya played in Drop-D tuning.
June 5th, 2008 at 3:09 PM
That pretty much sums up my feeling too!
@TheGoose: Ray Allen should thank the stars he is not stuck in Seattle playing second fiddle to Kevin Durant. Allen is no Hall of Famer! In fact during these playoffs, he hasn’t even been the third-best player on the Celtics. Rajon Rondo has been a much better player.
June 5th, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Hey, it’s Dan here. I’m not seeing what the stink is about me considering Ray Allen a future Hall of Famer. He’s got more than 18,000 career points and a few years left in the bank where he’ll probably get 15 per. That’s 21,000-22,000 by anybody’s count — and much like 500 home runs that pretty much guarantees induction.
June 5th, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Would somebody please think of Luke Walton?!?!!?
June 5th, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Luke is the shit on ncaa march madness 2003
June 5th, 2008 at 3:46 PM
I hate the Lakers and Kobe Bryant. But I hate all Boston sports even more. So this “OMG NBA DREEEAM MATCHUP” will only be catching my interest if the Lakers appear on the verge of sweeping, which would be hilarious. People hate Boston sports teams because people hate Boston sports fans. People hate Boston sports fans because they are entitled douchebags who think that everyone should treat their teams like lovable underdogs even though they have every practical advantage that the teams they call “evil empires” have. Douchebags.
June 5th, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Ray Allen is a HOF’er? Nah, brah. Not close. Sure, KG is, but I’m not sure I’d say Pierce is. He’s close at best.
June 5th, 2008 at 4:03 PM
Is Reggie Miller a HOFer? How do those two matchup?
June 5th, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Reggie Miller is a Hall of Fame flop artist
June 5th, 2008 at 4:30 PM
TBL, you can’t even compare the two. Ray Allen was a compiler, never in any big games, never having a moment that you remember years later, never taking over games.
Reggie Miller was unbelievable at times, he played huge in huge games and has the stats to back it up. Thats what a HOFer without a ring looks like.
Name me one Ray Allen moment….I can’t think of one. I can remember 10-15 Reggie “moments” that are burned into my memory.
June 5th, 2008 at 4:33 PM
why are Ray Allen and Reggie Miller even mentioned in the same sentence? If anything, Ray Allen is a rich man’s Dale Ellis. I agree with coop; Reggie Miller was unbelievable at times, he played huge in huge games and has the stats to back it up. Thats what a HOFer without a ring looks like.
June 5th, 2008 at 4:51 PM
By the way, I think the best way to end this post is with an UBUNTU! Another reason why I refuse to root for Boston.
June 5th, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Sort of.
Boston fans still act like they’ve never won anything, like their teams “deserve” championships, like they’re the most long-suffering and dedicated fans in sports.
+1 to Jack: like I said before, it’s not enough for Boston teams to win; they have to win and be underdogs, overachievers, lovable losers, teams that “play the right way,” ad nauseum. It’s not enough to win, the rest of the country is supposed to embrace the Red Sox (we haven’t won in forever!), the Pats (wouldn’t it be cool to see a 19-0 team? and isn’t Tom Brady handsome?), and now the Celtics (KG’s a nice guy, isn’t he?) and concede that Boston “deserves” sports success.
News flash: after 5 titles in 10 years, you don’t “deserve” jack shit and no one is pulling for you. You’re no different from New York.