Comments on: Schilling May Be Done Forever

By: Maddie

Maddie — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:04:18 +0000

No Hall. No Way. No how. If he makes the Hall it would only be because of what he did in Boston. Period. I think the standards of the Hall of Fame and voting BBWAA will see the difference in a good pitcher and a Hall of Fame pitcher.

By: wilhelmreems

wilhelmreems — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:30:39 +0000

in all fairness to Bert B, we are in an age where the media plays instant historians every chance it gets, so anyone that shows any inkling of being really good is called an all time great way before their career has finished.

In reality, there are very few all time great players on the field now that will be mentioned in every conversation about the game in 10 years.

By: The412

The412 — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:26:24 +0000

@ ATL – I agree that a “solid” career shouldn’t make one a HOFer. This is why I don’t think a guy like Blyleven should be in. The man has stats, sure. But, did anybody ever watch Bert Blyleven (who was a member of my beloved ‘79 Buccos team) and say “There is one of the all-time greats”? And yet, Schilling–with far lesser career stats–is most definitely among the “all-time greats”.

By: wilhelmreems

wilhelmreems — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:19:52 +0000

@ grunge

I see what you’re saying, but with all the animosity a lot of writers had towards players connected with steroids, and lots of those writers being assholes, i could see them vote a player who was never questioned for steroids in ahead of them.

By: atlantasportsfan

atlantasportsfan — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:18:53 +0000

@412, I should also add that I tend to have very high criteria for the HOF. I don’t think a “solid” career warrants the HOF. Obviously, the criteria are subjective as hell, but that’s just my opinion. Morris was definitely solid, and turned in one of the best postseason pitching performances of all time. But I don’t think he’s HOF material.

By: atlantasportsfan

atlantasportsfan — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:16:40 +0000

@412 – perhaps I should have said “should be close to the top of the league.” But either way, Pedro was just that from ‘97-’05. And obviously I’d make exceptions for guys like Koufax where someone was absolutely dominant for a shorter period of time.

By: The412

The412 — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:14:45 +0000

Oscar Gamble deserves a spot in Cooperstown as well.

By: atlantasportsfan

atlantasportsfan — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:13:05 +0000

They should open up a whole wing at Cooperstown for mustaches, called The Pete Vuckovich Showcase

By: The412

The412 — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:12:52 +0000

HOFers (at least in my opinion) should be at the top of the league for a solid 10+ years.

How many players–even players with really solid careers–are truly at the top of the league for 10+ years? Using this criteria, even an indisputable great such as Pedro Martinez wouldn’t qualify. And, Koufax just had the 6 years where he was dominant.

By: sparty

sparty — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:00:37 +0000

but the stache ATL, thats a Cooperstown stache!