What Are the Chances …
Numbers, Other College Sports July 1st. 2008, 4:30pm
… two college athletic teams with the same nickname could reach the sport’s championship? It happened last week at the College World Series when the Georgia Bulldogs faced the Fresno State Bulldogs. What are the odds? This is a question for one man: Our numbers specialist, Max Wasserman. Just missing out on the numbers gig: Us. In third grade, nobody beat us in multiplication tables. Ever.
After last week’s surprise championship victory by Fresno State in the College World Series, the college sports season has officially come to a close. For me, basketball and football aren’t all college sports have to offer in terms of enjoyment. I also follow college lacrosse, hockey, and wrestling, although it helps that those are the sports my school (ever heard of it?) is most competitive at. But even for the collegiate sports that I don’t have an investment in, like baseball, I still take pleasure in following them. And with last week’s College World Series final, watching it gave me the idea for this post.
As was mentioned several times during the three games of the CWS final, both teams involved, Fresno State and Georgia, had the nickname “Bulldogsâ€. Two teams with the same nickname meeting in a college tournament final does not happen very often. It’s only happened twice in Men’s Basketball, in 1951 (Kentucky over Kansas State) and 1997 (Arizona over Kentucky). This begs the question, what are the odds of two teams with the same nickname meeting in a collegiate tournament final?
To find out, I looked at the nicknames of Division I championship-eligible teams in four sports: basketball, hockey, baseball, and lacrosse. I also looked at D-I football teams in both the FBS and FCS subdivisions, as well as men’s volleyball, which only has one championship for all three divisions. I only looked at men’s sports in order to avoid complications with a school’s women’s teams having different nicknames than its men’s teams. Then, assuming everything random, I found the probabilities of two teams with the same nickname meeting in a championship final.
I actually found two different probabilities of same-nickname finals for each sport. The first probability strictly adheres to nicknames being exactly identical, so a NC State Wolfpack-Nevada Wolf Pack final would not count. The second probability is more lenient in terms of pronunciations and adjectives. In the latter case, NC State-Nevada would constitute a same-nickname final, as would a Baylor Bears-Cal Golden Bears final.
Anyway, here are the numbers:

Anyone else not surprised that a cold-weather animal is the most popular nickname in D-I college hockey?
Obviously, assuming everything is random isn’t the most accurate predictor of finals pairings. We’ll be crowning Ronnie Belliard the National League MVP before we see an NCAA Basketball Championship game between Detroit Mercy and Cal State Fullerton. (Note that there still could be a future Ronnie Belliard.) But a more accurate probability cannot be calculated without predictions of each team’s performance. Which is why you can expect a revisit to this topic when more betting sites put out odds on college football teams reaching the 2009 BCS National Championship game.
One more thing about college nicknames. In my research for this post, I found what I believe to be the collegiate conference with the coolest nicknames. It is the Summit League and it consists of:
Centenary Gentlemen
IUPUI Jaguars
UMKC Kangaroos
North Dakota State Bison
Oakland (MI) Golden Grizzlies
Oral Roberts Golden Eagles
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
Western Illinois Fighting Leathernecks
And best of all, the IPFW Mastodons!
Should IPFW make the NCAA Tournament, the CBS graphics department must include a clip of Zack Taylor becoming the Black Power Ranger.
A team should really change their name to the “Sabre-toothed Tigers.€ I mean, what’s a Purple Ace anyway Evansville?
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July 1st, 2008 at 4:32 PM
yawn..
July 1st, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Really, TBL?… REALLY?!
July 1st, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I beg to differ TBL.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I don’t even care…but come the fuck on..where the hell is the Hockey Free Agency Post…
July 1st, 2008 at 4:35 PM
That was pretty cool, even got an NDSU shoutout huh? And an all Husky final is never gonna happen.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Really, TBL?… REALLY?!
oh boy
July 1st, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit?!
July 1st, 2008 at 4:37 PM
The Wildcats are the most common name in FCS…..
Who are we? THE WILDCATS…….Who are we going to beat? THE WILDCATS….
July 1st, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Gold jacket, green jacket, who gives a shit?!
Well played sir.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:40 PM
TBL I can relate, I was the shit at the multiplication game in 4th grade where you went around facing all your classmates. Then I got to middle school and my math skills disappeared.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:41 PM
I wish someone had given me the memo that it wasn’t alright to like Power Rangers in middle school. Would have saved myself a lot of jokes at my expense.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:41 PM
The gauntlet is thrown down TBL!
July 1st, 2008 at 4:42 PM
At least he’s not as bad as intern bill (who’s worse than hitler).
July 1st, 2008 at 4:43 PM
is there another hockey team called the eagles? because that’s the only way it’s happening in hockey…
sha-zing!
July 1st, 2008 at 4:43 PM
TBL, a big F YOU for not having a hockey free agent post. Dick.
Nice pick up by Chicago for Huet, hopefully they didn’t pay him Khabibulin scratch as we all saw how that turned out.
Still waiting to see where Sundin goes. Mole, you said someone offered him $10M, why hasn’t he taken it? Do you not think he’d take less to play for a good team (i.e. the World Champion Detroit Red Wings)?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Well if it isn’t little Lisa Simpson, Springfield’s answer to a question nobody asked!
July 1st, 2008 at 4:44 PM
yeah those 2 titles really are tough to live up to. The extra 4 we have are weighing us down.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:45 PM
I went to Cornell – ever heard of it?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Where does Auburn fit in since they can’t seem to decide on a mascot/nickname?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:45 PM
TBL, a big F YOU for not having a hockey free agent post. Dick.
How come you didnt write one up yourself and send it to him?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:46 PM
/fixed. had to bust SG’s proverbial balls.
Why would Vancouver blow that much money on David Backes? He’s good but, not over 2 million a year good.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:47 PM
/clown’d
July 1st, 2008 at 4:47 PM
3 titles.. you forget what happened this year?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:48 PM
No hockey post AND no mention of Canada Day? I think it’s obvious how TBL feels.
/ USA USA
July 1st, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Ithaca > Cornell
July 1st, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Rob Neyer just had an orgasm.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:49 PM
A few reasons, irish:
1. I sent him an e-mail today regarding the inevitable NFL lockout in three years and he didn’t respond.
2. I had a meeting with my boss today that required me to do work before hand, which meant limited TBL access.
3. I’m heading out of town tomorrow and Thursday so I couldn’t dedicate enough time to write a hockey post as I was busy preparing for my vaca.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:50 PM
bc-yea that was a typo, my bad. hence the 4 extra comment.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Sportsgal, please don’t say the NFL lockout is inevitable. It upsets me greatly.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Not sure where you guys have been all day, but TBL has had a hockey post up all day long.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:54 PM
+1, Nick P., and agreed.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Nick, fantastic.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:54 PM
sportsgal..there will NOT be an NFL lockout in three years…don’t sweat it…Goodell just laid out the middle ground..rookie salaries
Oh and Ithaca Sucks…IC SHIT
/Cortland Grad
July 1st, 2008 at 4:55 PM
good find AZ hawk… got 99 of 100 in 90 seconds… booyakasha
July 1st, 2008 at 4:55 PM
It’s like I’ve truly died this time.
/4Reelz
July 1st, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Rex..I am over your death..we have a new guy now…RexDangerKramerSeeker…he is way cooler than you ever were
July 1st, 2008 at 4:57 PM
What in the hell are you doing here? You’re not supposed to be typing.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:58 PM
That is impressive. I got a disappointing 79. It had more to do with my lack of keypad skills more than anything.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Listen, when you have Gene Upshaw as the leader of the NFLPA, and you have a bunch of greedy fucking bastards for owners, there’s gonna be lots of problems during negotiations.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:58 PM
NHL hockey sucks donkey balls. In no other league do the rules change so drastically from the regular season to the playoffs. Clutch and grab makes for some boring ass hockey.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Yeah I had too much trouble tabbing so I quit.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:02 PM
did you guys do “around the world” in your class? you would go head to head and yell the answer out when you knew it. i think i went a whole quarter w/o losing.
/possibly true, but probably not
July 1st, 2008 at 5:02 PM
SG..Upshaw will not be there when it’s go time
July 1st, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Thank you Benji, that’s what it was called, I owned at that game.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:04 PM
SG please dont try to shit on the NFL because NO ONE cares about the nhl.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Christ almighty, I forgot 9 X 7. How depressing.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Never heard of “around the world”…and still waiting for TBL’s multiplication results.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:08 PM
TBL you better get it to him ASAP or COB, whichever is first.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:10 PM
JB, I’m not shitting on the NFL, asshole. It’s called living in the real world. You have veteran players who feel they should be offered guaranteed money, you have rookies making bank even though they haven’t set foot on an NFL field, and you have a bunch of greedy owners who control the money. It’s a receipt for negotiating disaster.
Best elementary school computer game – Oregon Trail
July 1st, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Where in the World/USA is Carmen Sandiego > Oregon Trail, although you cant go wrong with either.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:16 PM
SG…why you should not concern yourself with the NFL labor situation because in three years the World Champion New York Football Giants and the Jets, Dallas, SF and Indy are opening new stadiums. Chicago, Arizona, Seattle, Denver among others are paying their’s off. They will need the revenue, especially the Jerry Jones of the world who use football as their primary income. Now Tagliabue to Keep the Peace gave the Players 60% of the profits. It was 56%. Now teams like Buffalo, Jax and Cincy who stay under the cap to begin with now have to increase spending are not happy. The big guys don’t care. The hope was the NFL Network would fill in the gaps. It didn’t so Goodell says Rookies make too much. Well Rookie money ranges from 2-5% of a teams cap. SO cap the rookies and keep the veterans at the same level it knocks down the revenue to the players to about 58% which gives the smaller guys breathing room and doesn’t effect the veteran player. Instead of 60 mil to the number one pick he gets 40 mill. They will go back and forth but it will get done. Especially if the owners put the other Stadium revenue (non football) into the players coffers (2%?) They are not too far fundamentally to blow this thing up.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Fact!
July 1st, 2008 at 5:21 PM
all of the “Munchers” games were really good too.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Wow SG I thought I was being very polite no need for name calling and personal attacks did you not read the CBR.
All good points there Roman. Now if only my 49ers can put a winning team in the new stadium.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Roman – you and your fellow Oregon Trailers suffered cholera and were attacked by wolves. -250pts
While Gene Douche Bag Upshaw many not have his job in 3yrs, you can expect the new NFLPA head to have a similar reaction to Goodell’s statement on rookie contracts. Not to mention the fact something will have to be worked out for retired player benefits. I don’t think it’s going to be an easy negotiation.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:26 PM
I just realized I wrote “receipt” instead of “recipe.”
How is calling someone an asshole a personal attack? Calling you a name, yes. Attacking your person, no.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:30 PM
SG..no one said easy..but it is all conjecture. Why is the NFLPA president get all worked up about rookie salary when the guys paying him (current players) want the status quo and agree that the rookies make too much? Contracts are guaranteed with Signing bonuses so players will accept that. As for the veterans…the current players have a really good retirement plan, the problem is getting the old players the same benefits and the players today have to be willing to give more (it’s their pension fund) I think what is going on sucks but both the players and owners are responsible. It is not a big negotiating ploy which is why it was put down the last two contracts. One last thing, both sides want you to think that a strike/lockout is inevitable, it makes bargaining in a timely manner possible..it scares us in to swaying one side or the other until someone folds. Both sides consist of businessmen…this will be settled.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:36 PM
Sportsgal, that’s the very definition of a personal attack. You called him an asshole. You didn’t disagree with his opinion or idea, you attacked him personally.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:43 PM
JB, in my opinion, was being an asshole, so I called him an asshole. Get over it.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Keep on waving the classy flag.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Sure thing, Emily Post.
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:17 AM
Damnit, why does the drive from Ithaca to Bethesda have to be so long?
So, I’m here everybody, what’d I miss?
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 AM
I got 100 out of 100 with 53 seconds to spare
/around the world king in elementary school