Remembering the Seattle Sonics
NBA July 8th. 2008, 2:31pm
Not sure if it’s the summer heat, the post-holiday doldrums, or the unabashed joy that has swept over the masses thanks to our new and improved server, but the email bag is getting lit up today with some thought-provoking questions from readers. Here’s one from a passionate Seattle hoops fan that immediately caught our eye:
.. our team is leaving, and nobody cares. Our team was hijacked and it could happen to any other NBA team whenever a certain owner decides he’s not making enough money in a city, and is willing to commit perjury in a federal trial to move said team. Come on guys don’t drop the ball on this, we need as much support as we can. For christ’s sake The Oklahoma team is taking all of our retired jerseys and our 1979 championship trophy and calling it their city’s championship! Thats like saying Dale Earnhardt won 7 Nextel cups.
[Astute goolgers did the homework we didnt: Nothing historical goes to Oklahoma City. Get your Sonics gear while it lasts!] We’re not entirely sure what the Dale Earnhardt line means, but can Oklahoma really hang a Seattle Championship banner in their arena? That’s something we never even considered, and actually sort of messed up.
Little-known fact: Seattle is one of our favorite cities in the country. Went there over a decade ago and absolutely fell in love with the place. You really can’t beat the picturesque mountains and the Pacific Ocean. And we’ve always considered ourselves fans of the Sonics, a team with neat colors, a history of sweet shooters (Dale Ellis), tantalizing dunkers (Shawn Kemp), and one of our favorite NBA players of all-time, Xavier McDaniel.
(At the risk of rubbing salt in the wound, who’s the asshole that dealt the draft rights of Scottie Pippen for Olden “I’m not a police officer, but I play one in the streets” Polynice? And while we’re twisting the knife, one of the NBA’s landmark moments in the last 15 years came at the expense of the Sonics: When Seattle became the first 1-seed to lose to an 8-seed in 1994, with the lasting memory being Mutombo on his back after the final buzzer, crying and holding the ball aloft in a state of euphoria that will have the same visceral effect in 20 years as it did 14 years ago.)
Problem is, we’re not really sure where to go with this. Is it a travesty that the team was hijacked? Certainly. When we think of Oklahoma and basketball, don’t we think NBDL? Without question. But the move is happening, there doesn’t appear to be anything that can be done, and the only question we’ve got: Are the new owners going to keep the team colors green and white? [No.] That’d be a fantastic start to keeping tradition. Can they keep that Chewbacca figure that pumps up the crowd, too?
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July 8th, 2008 at 2:33 PM
this clevelander has sympathy for you, Seattle fan…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:34 PM
Sam Perkins, Detlef, the Glove, Hersey Hawkins, and the “Reign Man”. that was my favorite lineup
Are the new owners going to keep the team colors green and white? That’d be a fantastic start to keeping tradition
summer league unis were black
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Wait I thought the deal was OKC could have no ties to the Sonics in any way? That their franchise history would begin this year?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 PM
Yeah my White Sox almost moved to St. Petersburg in 94. It’s totally a kick in the groin for Seattle fans, especially since they could have been watching Durant for the next 15 years.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:35 PM
to be fair there were two very well written pieces on espn.com about how badly seattle is getting screwed and the fucked up precedent this sets for the league.
there shouldnt be basketball in oklahoma city, it doesnt seem right
July 8th, 2008 at 2:36 PM
Come on Seattle, doesn’t Shawn Kemp have enough kids for you guys to get like 5 teams going up there. Call him up, I’m sure he would be willing to help out his old city.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:36 PM
I definitely know they aren’t allowed to have the same colors as the SuperSonics.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:36 PM
though the sounders will totally make them forget about the nba
July 8th, 2008 at 2:37 PM
dale won Winston Cups, not Nextel Cups.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Okleyhomies are already the Land Thieves – why not Team Thieves, too?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:39 PM
BTW, besides for MJ, Kemp was easily the coolest player of the 90s.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:40 PM
Bullshit on taking the Sonics team history to OKC. That should never happen. It’s a dumb as having a team in Utah call itself the “Jazz”.
Loved the X-Man in “Singles”, but I felt myself get a little bit older as I noticed how dated some of that movie felt when I saw it. Cliff Poncier and Citizen Dick are still big in Belgium, at least.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:40 PM
I’m getting a little tired of this “They’re taking our team and nobody cares!” bit. Sorry for you and all, but it’s not like Joe Sports Fan (hey! that’s a blog!) can do anything. Become a fan of Sacramento or something.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:41 PM
Colors, records, and the team name Sonics all stay in Seattle. They won’t get banners, or retired numbers, and their team history starts this year.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Seattle has a history of almost losing teams, and now they’ve actually los one (I’m not counting the Pilots or the Seattle Totems because there really wasn’t much history there). The M’s almost moved to St. Petersburg in the early 90’s and Ken Behring actually moved the Seahawks to LA for a couple of days in the mid 90’s. Somehow I never thought this would happen to the Sonics though. Guess I was just being naive.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:43 PM
It was my understanding that the history of the Sonics stayed in Seattle, the colors, the trophy, the records, etc.
Living in a city with an NFL team that took everything when it moved here in 1984, believe me, Ive heard it all.
If Bud Selig pulled something like this, dont you think he would be burned at the stake?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:43 PM
Xavier McDaniel doesn’t want you cumming too soon, yet everyone is upset because Seattle is going too soon. That’s poetic or something.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:43 PM
/clown’d
Irish, you can’t seriously be watching summer league, I mean I love the association, but damn man, summer league is like watching people at the Y play.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3471503
This article answers all the questions. Come on TBL, do some research!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 PM
Tough to disagree.
Any linkagae on this?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 PM
I’m from New Orleans. Every year being a Saints fan is hearing the question “Will the Saints move to a bigger market?”. After Katrina, I just knew they were gone, even went as far a serching for another team to cheer for. It’s a terrible feeling having a team hold your city hostage(Louisiana pays the Saints millions every year to keep them there). A part you wants them to leave, but you know you won’t be the same without them.
Just like marriage. About the same amount of winning seasons as well…
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 PM
so does seattle get the next team that moves or something or is there plans for expanding at some point?
or are they just fucked?
i liked the owners argument that them leaving wouldnt hurt the city financially, but OKC residents would be glad to welcome the team because it would boost their financial situation. so …. it helps to have one, but somehow doesnt hurt to lose one? makes a lot of sense. dick.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:44 PM
he shouldve been burned at the stake a long time ago.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:45 PM
ALL, read the link I posted.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
moleman…they’ll probably get Charlotte’s franchise when they go bankrupt in a handful of years. why the NBA moved back there, ill never know.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Spencer:
I cant stand Selig either. Just making a point that Stern has become the “Teflon Commish”
July 8th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Irish, you can’t seriously be watching summer league, I mean I love the association, but damn man, summer league is like watching people at the Y play.
i was considering going to watch a game tonight. All the summer league games are in Orlando. I love hoops
July 8th, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I’m sorry, but I was expecting more insightful analysis than this post.
I’m disappointed that the Sonics are leaving. But it points to the way professional sports leagues now operate.
Before, it was to get into large markets for the television revenue. Now professional sports leagues have to have more than just a large market going for it. They also need support from government (stadium financing), local business (sponorship and luxury suites), fans (season ticket revenue) and local radio and television revenue.
Basically, the NBA is saying they don’t care how large the market is, if they don’t get their stadiums with the sweetheart lease, they’re gone (no matter how much smaller the new market is). The economic model for professional sports is broken and we’re asked to bail them out.
The only question I have left: what team’s next to move?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:48 PM
Memphis Grizzles. Easy.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:49 PM
i moved to charlotte in 94 and loved going to games. shinn made the people turn on that team, but any fanbase that cant come close to a sellout in a playoff game is just pathetic regardless of ownership (at least for a 17k person arena). the bobcats are poorly run and the city is not too terribly interested in a losing team, oh they love when a teams is winning, but boy are they bandwagoners.
plus side, whenever i go home to visit family i get to see minor league hockey games in a badass new arena … which doesnt care if you bring in liquor bottles.
there was always talk there of getting a baseball team. that city can barely support a losing football team, imagine a shitty baseball team in a midweek game against the royals or padres? 2k people max
July 8th, 2008 at 2:49 PM
When will the football posts start? August? End of July?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:50 PM
thanks, CBH. link added. when that kind of news happens on a holiday week, it barely causes a ripple (at least with me)
SG – Football post coming at 4!!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:50 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! Football!!!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 2:50 PM
beasley put up 28 last night, which is cool, i think those games would be fun as hell to watch
July 8th, 2008 at 2:50 PM
I was considering following the NBA again, lightly, but this whole Seattle move has turned me inside out. Franchises move, but the specifics of this one are particularly disgusting.
I really do like basketball, but the fact that the league commish was a driving force behind this turns my stmoach. I won’t watch another NBA game ever again (not joking)
(Yes I realize the slight irony behind the fact that my favorite team, the Avs, moved from Quebec, but the circumstances of the move are incredibly different. I have no problem with teams moving, but this case was just slimy.)
July 8th, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Anybody want a Skybox Kemp Rookie card?
July 8th, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Yea it is fucked up that the sonics are leaving Seattle. Couldn’t oklahaoma have just taken the Raptors from Toronto. Fuck Canada.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:52 PM
IUGrad…i agree. Stern isn’t nearly as great a commish as he was even a few years ago. he’s slipped big time and this ref scandal shit is only going to keep discrediting him. it’s a joke how he doesn’t try to cover any attempt to promote the teams he wants to at the expense of others (yes, im talking about how he just ignores the obvious collusion between Jay-Z and LBJ) and is so obviously slanted with league policy.
fuck stern.
goodell is the shit.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:53 PM
speaking of the hornets. my dad used to work across the street from the hornets arena and one day we were driving to lunch and stopped at the light in front of the arena, almost plastered mugsy bogues who was running and left the curb a bit too early. good times.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:53 PM
beasley put up 28 last night, which is cool
summer league is no regular season
July 8th, 2008 at 2:53 PM
Here’s the thing that troubles me about the settlement and I realize it’s a little attenuated, but while it’s great that the city is getting up to $75 million to make it whole from the lost rent, etc., what about all the business owners, servers, etc. that have relied on Key Arena as a driver of business. I know that this move has more or less been in the cards for a couple of years, but those people aren’t going to be made whole.
Also, how does this
As a result, the SuperSonics are headed to Oklahoma City with Bennett leading the way, leaving behind the team name, colors and 41 years of history.
jibe with this
Bennett said his franchise would create duplicate championship banners and trophies, leaving one set in Seattle and using the second set for undetermined purposes in Oklahoma City.
To me that seems like part of the history. I’m probably just bitter.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
i know, but still it was cool to see, plus the bulls’ guys were talking about how they couldnt guard him worth shit.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:54 PM
Truehoop has more info on the details of the Sonics colors/history/etc.
Damn, TBL, I was actually going to click on an ad, but now I can’t find the ad again.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:55 PM
beasley did look good
July 8th, 2008 at 2:55 PM
That is absolutely true. Stern’s power trip that started with the dress code has gotten way out of hand. Now he’s a class A assclown.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:56 PM
as spencer said earlier clevelanders can relate to this…sucks having a team you love taken away
then have that team and its cocksucking owner win a superbowl
July 8th, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Greg Oden looked great when he got 10 fouls.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:58 PM
What’s a goolger?
/I’m an ass.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:58 PM
i enjoyed the nba because of the hornets, i rocked my hornets starter jacket in middle school like a mofo and had my grandmama’s. but once they left i did lose interest, and the bobcats have done nothing to peak that interest. shitty owner, HORRIBLE name and color scheme, and the theory of bringing in unc players? brilliant. jordan is a fucking fraud at anything front office and johnson bringing him in was just another sign that the organization had no clue. hey lets bring in another unc guy who has no loyalty to teams and doesnt really care about building young players into stars… hm is larry brown available? fuck.
sad as it is to say, johnson got that team because of his race, and it has backfired so far.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Stern screwed Seattle for his OK buddy, Bennett, who Stern introduced at his induction into the OK Hall of Fame.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Stern orchestrated a finals that included both the Lakers and the Celtics. Let’s see if Goodell can pull that off…”
/ Simmons
July 8th, 2008 at 3:01 PM
moleman, you’re from Charlotte? I thought you were Canadian this whole time.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:02 PM
Sadly there are no innocents here. The Sonics were sold by Schultz to Bennet with the blessing of Stern for this specific purpose. But why did Schultz sell in the first place? Because the Seattle politicos refused to play ball regarding a new arena. And that’s the price to have a team.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:02 PM
David Stern didn’t screw Seattle, Seattle screwed Seattle.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:03 PM
hahahahaSHUTTUP
born in chicago. moved to indianapolis when i was three. moved to charlotte when i was ten. have been bouncing around college towns for the past seven years.
ive got weird sports allegiances because i started following different sports at different times, and for a lack of hockey and baseball teams in indianapolis
July 8th, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Chalmers owned Rose again last night. Chicago is going to regret that pick.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:04 PM
Stern is to blame somewhat, but its the owners who voted for this save Cuban and Allen.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Haha, that’s the stupid thing I’ve ever read. You’re going to regret that comment.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Agreed CBH.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:21 PM
When did Seattle stop being the SuperSonics and just become the Sonics? Was this ever official or did people just become lazy?
Will the same thing happen to the Portland TrailBlazers, which they soon be just the Blazers? Actually, they should be, that would be very appropo for a team in Oregon to be the Blazers.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:39 PM
At least Seattle fans will now know what it’s like to be a sports fan living in Portland during the Summer and Fall. At least you still have your Seattle Storm! HA HA HA HA
July 8th, 2008 at 5:35 PM
There is plenty of blame to go around on this. Schulz had to know that Bennett would move the team at the first opportunity. His lawsuit is all about his image. The state drug their feet when they had a chance to allow the city of Seattle to extend an existing special tax to remodel Key Arena. Stern didn’t seem to care much unless somebody other than the owner of the team was willing to pony up some cash for a new/better arena. This is the same Stern who went on about how great Key Arena was when it was remodeled in 1996. I realize that is a few years ago now, but it’s hard to believe it can go from state of the art to an outhouse in 12 years. Bennett may be a world class asshat, but it’s hard for me to see how he is the one most to blame. It’s disappointing to lose the team you grew up cheering. It’s one more thing that makes following sports less fun than it used to be for me.