Has Johan Stolen Lincecum’s Cy Young?
Baseball September 24th. 2008, 6:15pm
Two months ago, it seemed certain: Not only was Tim Lincecum (17-5) the best young pitcher in baseball, but he was going to win a Cy Young award at the age of 24 pitching for an awful San Francisco Giants team that reeks offensively (last in the majors in homers; third to last in slugging). But he’s “stumbled” down the stretch, losing his last two and watching his ERA “balloon” from 2.43 to 2.66 in the last four weeks as the Giants meander through meaningless games.
Santana (15-7), meanwhile, has been the $137.5 million man Flushing desperately needed – he hasn’t lost a start since the end of June, and in his last 10 outings, the Mets have won nine and Santana’s got six wins. (If not for a bullpen less reliable than our 1997 Mazda Protege, Santana would probably have 20 victories). And his ERA has dipped below Lincecum’s (2.64). If Ryan Howard is in the MVP mix because of a ridiculous September, and Carlos Delgado’s being considered because of a torrid last two months, and ditto for Manny, since the trade … does Santana warrant serious consideration?
As of this moment, the case could be made that Santana’s the primary reason the Mets are a game up in the wild card race with five to play. It seems unlikely that Santana will pitch again in the regular season – if he does, he’ll only be available for one game in the NLDS. So if you’re punching a ballot, is it Lincecum or Santana?
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September 24th, 2008 at 6:19 PM
1993 NBA finals game 3 is on Jordan shits on Barkley in OT
September 24th, 2008 at 6:23 PM
There is a 22 game winner that would like to have a word with you
September 24th, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Brandon Web is so damn inconsistent
September 24th, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Still goes to Lincecum. He’s dominated the entire season for a very shitty team.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:34 PM
He is going to finish with 23 wins. He is consistently winning
September 24th, 2008 at 6:34 PM
Stats for consideration:
Player – Record – ERA – WHIP – K/9 – K/BB
Lincecum – 17-5 – 2.66 – 1.182 – 10.31 – 3.07
Santana – 15-7 – 2.64 – 1.167 – 7.87 – 3.28
Webb – 22-7 – 3.24 – 1.197 – 7.21 – 2.79
I honestly don’t know who should win.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:36 PM
I think Lincecum should get it, but the Giants shouldn’t have the satisfaction for how shittily (is that a word?) they handle him.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Hi, I’m Brandon Webb/Carlos Zambrano/C.C. Sabathia, and I take issue with this post.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Santana’s got one more start, right? If he can sew up a pennant berth with it, won’t the powers that be be paying more attention to him, in the major media market, than poor Linchy in SF?
September 24th, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Hi, I’m CC Sabathia, and I have no say in this discussion.
/Same for Carlos.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Hey, Nick, if C.C.’s in the NL the whole year or Zambrano’s healthy the whole year, don’t they end up with better stats than the three above? And what about Rich Harden?
Victims of circumstance, and I understand that ruling them out for the Cy, but people are putting weird campaigns together for less.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:45 PM
Lincecum pitches in a park that really kills left handed batters, which makes his numbers look considerably better than they would otherwise be.
That said, I think he should still win it. Even accounting for that, he’s been the best pitcher.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:50 PM
There is no way Zambrano should get it.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Nick- his division also has 2 of the best hitters parks in baseball, and one that isn’t too bad. That said I don’t know how many of his starts are at home vs. on the road.
September 24th, 2008 at 6:53 PM
@tampa: Neither should dempster. It’s amazing listening to who some of the people on baseball tonight are saying should win these awards. I can’t watch that show for five minutes any more its so bad
September 24th, 2008 at 6:54 PM
He’s got PetCo park in his division, too. Pitcher’s paradise.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:00 PM
Lincecum: 2 starts at PETCO
2 at Arizona
1 at Dodger stadium
15 at home
Others of note: 1 each at WAS, PHI, and OAK
So he has had some pretty good parks to pitch in.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:02 PM
That’s why his FIP is misleading.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:05 PM
Who gives a shit where he has pitched doesnt matter Jake Peavy pitches at Petco and sucks.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:07 PM
Webb: 2 starts at Petco
15 at Arizona
2 at Dodger Stadium
others of note 1 each at: Was, Phi
/Winner Webb
September 24th, 2008 at 7:10 PM
Well Webb is a ground ball pitcher, so it’s a little different with him.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Webb has a better pitching staff behind him than Johan. Johan could probably have that many wins if his pen didnt blow it. Im not familiar with Lincecums staff other than Wilson who has a fucked up ERA. But Lincecum and Johan have lower ERAs than Webb.
I dont know who should win but this seems obvious Santana/Lincecum>Webb
September 24th, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Lincecum!
First, I’ll say that Santana and Webb are deserving. Johan should have more wins, the Mets offense was terrible for him the first half of the season. He has been dominant, his biggest issue was giving up too many home runs.
Webb is a freak of nature. He basically has one pitch, but it’s virtually impossible to get a good piece of it. He’s awesome.
But Lincecum is just completely dominating. He’s had to be to win any games, as the Giants are simply awful. He leads MLB in K’s, and he rarely gives up a HR (11 all season).
September 24th, 2008 at 7:27 PM
A few weeks ago I cared about this, but I’ll take comfort as a Giants fan knowing that if I could choose any pitcher in all of baseball to start a team with, it’d be Lincecum. Of couse, now we just need a lineup to give him some run support.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:30 PM
sportsdork- But for being a FB pitcher, although not an extreme one, is HR rate is pretty low. That more than likely will go up, although I don’t think too much
jaywashere- Agreed. The Giants have a pretty good farm system going for themselves now, so they should be on the rise. Of course it will be interesting to see how Sabean messes it up.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Unlikely to who? Santana is pitching Sunday and might come out of the bullpen on his “throw day” Friday or Saturday.
But other than that that sentence was correct.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:38 PM
It’s been Webb’s to lose all year, and I don’t think he has done anything to lose it.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:41 PM
fetch — I actually should have typed “untimely” instead of “too many”, with reference to Santana’s HR totals.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:44 PM
sportsdork- I was referencing Lincecum’s
September 24th, 2008 at 7:55 PM
the mets off to another terrific start …
September 24th, 2008 at 7:56 PM
I tell ya who’s not winning the Cy Young, and that’s Brett Myers. That wife beating cock sucker is single-handedly ruining my fantasy team in the last week of play. Fucker.
September 24th, 2008 at 7:56 PM
Die eagles: he lost it when he blew those two starts against the Dodgers last month.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:07 PM
Did you guys hear about Matt Millen? I guess he’s out. Here’s a link.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:08 PM
wow cursed I knew he was fired but you fooled me.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:12 PM
Nice 9 pitch at bat by DW to draw the bases loaded walk.
Shame on the person that clicks on a commenter link without looking at the URL preview at the bottom of the page.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:15 PM
Nice inning by Zambrano.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:17 PM
About Howards MVP . . .
September 24th, 2008 at 8:18 PM
Hey remember this that sure was funny.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:24 PM
no way. if the mets are up 2 games there is no chance he’s pitching sunday. none. that will mean he can’t open the NLDS. the mets will have to make a decision sunday based on the standings.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:25 PM
OT – Been reading about the bailout all night. I’m so f’ing worked up that i’m going to email my congressman right now. never done anything like this, but i need to vent and let this chump know what’s up.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:31 PM
TBL, haven’t you heard the one about “How many pages does it take to respond to concerned constituent?” Come on TBL, you’re from around the beltway..
September 24th, 2008 at 8:32 PM
Make sure you frame the boilerplate reply you get back from his staffer while your congressman is at Morton’s getting wooed by a lobbyist.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:36 PM
i clicked on the ‘don’t want a response’ box.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:36 PM
Make sure you frame the boilerplate reply you get back from his staffer while your congressman is at Morton’s bathroom getting
wooed by a lobbyistblown by a hooker.September 24th, 2008 at 8:38 PM
Im watching tru tv right now most daring mayhem is on and Chinese protesters have a homemade flame thrower.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:40 PM
/likelier
September 24th, 2008 at 8:41 PM
Nice job by Myers. 8.1 IP, 15 ER, 23 baserunners in his last two starts. Good thing he doesn’t pitch for Ozzie Guillen, or he’d hear about what a gutless, choking pansy he is through the media too.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:42 PM
TBL- Get Rex to photo shop a picture of the congressman naked with Brady Quinn. Rex is good it might get the ball rolling on this bailout bullshit.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Tampa, TruTV was on last night while i was at the gym. i was running and saw this reporter get jacked by a woman and her husband. it was way funny.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:46 PM
how sad is this? wifes not home and im watching top model and preparing the blog for tomorrow. there’s some serious talent on this show. wednesday is a wasteland for tv
September 24th, 2008 at 8:48 PM
this is better video.
September 24th, 2008 at 8:49 PM
very sad, but not surprising.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:04 PM
benji-Thats crazy that reporter got fucked up. He was just trying to help a brother out.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:09 PM
i only saw it with the captions on. so i just saw the lady throwing water on the reporter than the other guy roll up in his car and throw down. i don’t know what the fight was about.
after that, i saw a guy in a busy downtown area (not sure what city) with a big samurai sword. he was swinging it at people til the swat team showed up. they attacked him with hoses and finally subdued him with one of those nooses used to catch alligators.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:16 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhh
swingers on HDNet
who wants to be cool and sign this?
http://www.stopthehousingbailout.com/
September 24th, 2008 at 9:17 PM
TBL — This bailout situation is beyond words.
Did you see today that Palin and others in the McCain camp were claiming imminent Depression with “12%” unemployment?
And the Democrats are believing this “EVERYBODY PANIC!!!” nonsense coming from the administration, per usual. The only thing they are worse at than being the minority party is when they are the majority.
The next administration, which at this point is likely to be an Obama one, is going to have a budgetary mess on their hands of epic proportions. We are all going to be paying for this for years.
Nice stunt by McCain today. What a mess.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:22 PM
Another exciting game for a Met fan! After being up 5-1 they are now tied 5-5 heading into the bottom of the 6th.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:29 PM
FYI — Giants, Dodgers, and D-Backs fans…
If the choking Diamondbacks can manage to make the NL West pennant come down to the last day, it will be Lincecum v. Billingsley on Sunday.
Now that could be fun.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:32 PM
I was watching Swingers last night.
“Let’s get out of here. This plays is dead anyway.”
September 24th, 2008 at 9:32 PM
So you’re saying it’s likely the Mets are up two games on Sunday? I’m not sure which Mets team you’ve been watching.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:36 PM
Have faith RS, Argenis Reyes is up with a guy on third and two out, a hit and the Metsies take the lead. A lead they can promptly blow in the top of the inning.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Nevermind big A struck out. Him and Nick Evans made Neil Cotts look like Norm Charlton circa 1990.
September 24th, 2008 at 9:40 PM
/fixed
September 24th, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Tbl sons of anarchy at 10 is pretty good…its on fx
This bailout is such a joke…and mccains bs cancel the debate just makes me more pissed…they should keep the debate just change the format from national security to economy.
But john wont do that because he will get smoked. Him wanting to “suspend his campaign” has more to do with his slumping #s than anything else
September 24th, 2008 at 9:44 PM
The Mets are the first playoff contender ever to use the whole 40 man roster in every game the last week of the season.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:07 PM
Sons of Anarchy is a great show, but the best new show is Fringe, by far.
Also, W-L record in Cy Young voting=pointless. Like it was going to kick ass while pitching for SF anyhow.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:11 PM
FNMA = broke
Freddie Mac = broke
Social Security – broke
Big Oil – private and rich.
The moral of this story is that the govt cannot run industry. How do you think the universal health care will fare looking at every govt run entity? Not to mention it will take 6 months to see a doctor.
The bail out is bullshit.
Govt cannot manage our lives. Remember: the more govt gives you the more they can take away.
The GOP is in favor of pass/fail for a business. All the S-Corp small business that make over $250K will get hammered by taxes and they will not hire people. The more I study Libertarianism – the more it makes sense. Hey Dems…..how would it feel to have John Edwards on the ticket this year? Strong character guy.
Good noght and have a nice flight for anyone flying Denver to Washington DC on United tomorrow morning. Stop by the cockpit and say hello. I am a fan of TBL and enjoy conversation. By the way….the FAA is govt run and it is so antiquated that Flock of Seagulls is NEW versus our transportation system. Good night.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:11 PM
mmonast-McCain is a great debator, Obama can’t limit his answers to under an hour. Neither of them are strong on the economy; Biden is a lame-duck VP; Palin was a good choice before the economy crashed, and now it looks like he should have chosen Romney; both want to blame the other party for the economy, and they’re both right.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:15 PM
Can we stop confusing clintons universal healthcare plan (think canada) and obamas where he aims to keep costs down and makes it more affordable for business to cover employees
Clintons plan would never in a million yrs get passed here(i dont like it anyways)
September 24th, 2008 at 10:27 PM
When i said he will get smoked i guess i should have said the perception he carries re the economy will bury him. He even said economy isnt his strong suit. How many times will that be said 10? 15? Security is his wheelhouse and the economy (perceived or real) is obamas
September 24th, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Lets be frank….no one is strong in economy unless you have years and years as an economist or a financial executive. I know in my case if I run into a problem I ask for help from a mentor who knows what the hell is going on. Both guys need help in the economy. Obama has basically seen his economic plan say bye bye with this bail out. My thought is the more the private sector can run business the better.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:36 PM
Of course neither obama or mccain are experts on the economy(its all about the people they listen to) but thats not what the public thinks and right now, thast all that matters
September 24th, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I am with you mmonast. Lets just hope that things work out. There is no doubt that the tipping point has come and gone and things will not work the same as they did (i.e. golden parachutes). I just can only hope that Washington will not start mandating behavior.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:46 PM
“The idea of a government bailout in which we’d entrust $700 billion to one man without Congressional oversight or accountability is absurd. My party or not, that is insanity and I believe unconstitutional.”
September 24th, 2008 at 10:48 PM
@Mike NYC – we need to have a beer. For as much time as I spend in NYC – I need to meet more people like yourself. Well said. You are “on fire” as as Marv says.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:51 PM
Brandon Webb will win the CY.
September 24th, 2008 at 10:54 PM
@mikeNYC that part of the bailout baffled me…why on earth would paulson include that? Makes 0 sense
September 24th, 2008 at 10:59 PM
Here in Denver Letterman gets such a small rating…who cares if he filets McCain. That guy (Letterman) was over 10 years ago. Cant wait until his son gets busted for DUI and knocking some broad up. Oh wait…that also happened to Gore, Jr. Letterman is yesteryear. Fuck him.
I just cant stand by and watch people like him smear the GOP. Pussy.
September 24th, 2008 at 11:01 PM
By the way..please fasten your seat belts and put the tray in the upright position.
September 25th, 2008 at 9:47 AM
So again, when you have all these lock-down pitchers in the National League… is it that they’re all that good, or is it the lack of hitting, too?