Why do the Pete Carroll’s Trojans Keep Choking?
College Football September 26th. 2008, 11:45am
Despite all the pomp and circumstance surrounding the California-cool Trojans, their insane recruiting hauls year-after-year, and the countless magazine covers, let’s take a look below the surface: Since winning the National title in 2004, the Trojans have consistently choked. As favorites. Against unranked opponents. With the National title on the line. With two or more weeks to prepare.
Is coach Pete Carroll to blame for his inability to win in the clutch? If Oklahoma’s Bob Stoops gets trashed for his inability to win a bowl game … what about Carroll?
2005: With what many were calling one of the greatest college football teams ever*, USC lost the Rose Bowl to Texas, 41-38. Both teams were unbeaten, but the Trojans were 7-point favorites.
2006: With two weeks to prepare for unranked Oregon State (4-3), previously-unbeaten No. 3 USC lost, 33-31.
2006: With a berth in the National Title game on the line, No. 2 USC lost to unranked 6-5 UCLA, 13-9.
2007: Facing an unranked 1-3 Stanford team at home as 41-point favorites, No. 2 USC lost, 24-23.
2008: Two weeks to prepare for 1-2 unranked Oregon State. Went in as 24.5-point underdogs and ranked No. 1. Lost, 27-21.
* From wikipedia: “ESPN analysts Mark May and Kirk Herbstreit declared, before the 2005 Rose Bowl had even been played, that the 2005 USC Trojans were the 2nd best college football team of the past 50 years (May placed them behind only 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers; Herbstreit behind only 2001 Miami Hurricanes). Stewart Mandel of Sports Illustrated later observed that .. the team “may have had the greatest set of skill players in history.”
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September 26th, 2008 at 11:47 AM
DAMN I can’t believe I missed the line on the game last night! That would have been some easy money for sure.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:48 AM
Because they’re only college kids?
That 2001 Miami team will never be topped.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:51 AM
still would take 1994 PSU.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:51 AM
It looked like a case of too much talent and not enough chemistry last night. Oh, and extreme laziness.
The worst part of all of this is that USC is going to run the table and still be in the national title conversation. Wasn’t it just this past week some coach in the Pac 10 was bitching about there being more MWC schools ranked than Pac 10 schools? This is why. The Pac 10 is attrocious.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:52 AM
1995 Huskers were a fun ass team to watch.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:53 AM
Another post pointing to the fact that all Vince Young does is win football games.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:54 AM
when you have a week off after SMOKING the no. 5 team in the country and everyone’s praising you and youre the toast of LA, it’s kinda hard to focus when you’re facing a 1-2 team.
must be hard to keep all these 5-star recruits focused during shit like that.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I think Penn State would have beaten Texas in 2005. VY broke tons of tackles downfield. Tackling machines Poz and Dan Connor would have had him under wraps.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:54 AM
These days, great teams still lose provided they play in even vaguely competitive conferences (lookin’ at you Big 10) … after all, last year’s BCS champion did lose to a mediocre Kentucky team.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:54 AM
I’m just glad most people have stopped saying the 2005 team was going for a three-peat.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:55 AM
It just doesn’t make sense, its one thing to lose to Oregon or Cal, teams that, while not as talented, are at least pretty good. But to choke against Stanford and OregSU is just indefensible. Every team has games where they come out flat against weak teams, but good teams find a way to win them, great teams wake up and blow you out in the 2nd half.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:55 AM
ohio state actually WOULD HAVE IF FUCKING TRESSEL KEPT IN FUCKING TROY SMITH INSTEAD OF THAT ASSHOLE JUSTIN ZWICK.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Petey is a great college coach. He gets kids to come there because of his laidback attitude, his penchant for getting guys to the League, and for allowing his kids to actually HAVE FUN while playing football.
This type of laissez faire attitude has treated Petey, his players, and USC very well over the last 7 years. However, when a team comes out smoking against them as Oregon State did last night, they have a hard time facing the adversity.
The Trojans have EASILY been the most talented school in college football over the last 7 years. It just shows what college football without a playoff can do… knocking out the best teams in the country during the regular season.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:57 AM
I would like to know what the record of the home team playing on Thursday is. Without looking, I am guessing that it is well over .500. Always a solid bet.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Wait, are you saying they haven’t won the past 5 titles, because that would be news to me. Greatest team ever, every year.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:57 AM
holy shit…i just blew my mind…troy smith:pryor::zwick:boeckman
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 AM
/USC’d
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 AM
‘95 Huskers. And it’s not that close.
Beat Arizona St. 77-28
Beat Michigan St. 50-10
Beat #8 Kansas St. 49-25
Beat #7 Colorado 44-21
Beat #10 Kansas 41-3
Beat #2 Florida 62-24
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Went in as 24.5-point underdogs and ranked No. 1.
Brainsplosion!!!!!!!
95 Huskers were the greatest team ever. If they play 01 Miami it would have been 62-24 Huskers.
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 AM
But PSU beat OSU that year, Spence, in a fantastic game
September 26th, 2008 at 11:58 AM
@spence – What does that do? Does that blow your mind? That just happened!
September 26th, 2008 at 12:00 PM
1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers. It’s not even up for discussion kids.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:00 PM
That ‘95 Huskers team was a monstrosity.
/Gators fan
I think the greater point is that no team is immune to upsetitis.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:02 PM
A post about USC and Spencer makes it all about Ohio State. Shocker.
Well, I gotta give you this…the topic was choking, so I guess OSU isn’t too far off base.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Husker fans are so proud of their Lawrence Phillips-led team.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Perhaps familiarity with USC breeds a certain amount of confidence in their Pac 10 opponents. One of the SI writers pointed out that SC typically struggles in their conference road openers and that they have lost 3 out 4 in Corvalis.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:04 PM
@arkbadger – Actually did Thurs night analysis last year.
http://www.collegegameballs.com/2007/10/19/the-biggest-home-field-advantage-is-thursday-night/
September 26th, 2008 at 12:05 PM
No. It was led by Tommie Frazier. Probably the best option QB in college football history. You also had Ahman Green gain 1,000+ yards as a freshman.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Probably because the traveling team has so much classwork to do while on the road.
/sincere
September 26th, 2008 at 12:06 PM
“I would say if I were to choose one player who has had the most impact on the outcome of the greatest number of games over the longest period of time since I’ve been at Nebraska, it would be Tommie Frazier,” said Osborne
September 26th, 2008 at 12:06 PM
I’m happy because now, whoever gets to the National Championship, gets there because they beat ranked opponents. And you-know-who has the chance to make their case heard on October 11 and October 18.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Husker fans are so proud of their Tommy Frazier-led team.
Fixed for accuracy and deletion of any Texas jealousy.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:07 PM
then it’s on the coach, no?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:08 PM
clown- Didn’t matter who their RB was. He only played in the first two games before being suspended. He came back and played sparingly in the last two and then played quite a bit against Florida. They had three other RB’S – Damon Benning, Clinton Childs, and Ahman Green that would’ve started at 90% of the other schools. Not to mention Tommie Frazier.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:08 PM
‘94 Nittany Lions
September 26th, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Cgb -
Thanks. You are truly doing the lord’s work. I was wondering the same thing last night.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:08 PM
who was on the 2001 miami defense?
i still recall the Nebraska beatdown and the legendary Tommy Frazier run.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:10 PM
don’t know how you could just easily right off that 2001 Miami team against 1995 Nebraska.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:11 PM
who was on the 2001 miami defense?
TBL-Vilma,Ed Reed and Philip Buchanan
September 26th, 2008 at 12:11 PM
The mid-90s Nebraska teams were the most awesome. Once Dr. Tom got the team rolling, they were impossible to stop. Well, until it did stop, but you know what I mean. They had a four years run that I can’t see happening ever again.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Miami Defense- William Joseph, Jerome McDougale, Jonanthon Vilma, DJ Williams, Ed Reed, Philip Buchanon, Mike Rumph.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:12 PM
Most notably Vilma and Ed Reed.
But Miami only barely beat VT 26-24. Which isn’t bad except we’re talking best all-time. They also needed an Ed Reed pick-6 to beat BC 18-7.
And the Husker team they beat in the Rose Bowl was a seriously flawed team.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:13 PM
http://nebraska.scout.com/2/538751.html
September 26th, 2008 at 12:13 PM
Rumph, DJ Williams, McDougle …
September 26th, 2008 at 12:13 PM
DJ Williams and Vilma were linebackers. Their secondary had Mike Rumph and Philip Buchanon as corners and Ed Reed as a safety.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:14 PM
don’t know how you could just easily right off that 2001 Miami team against 1995 Nebraska.
Easy, I’m a homer.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Mike Rumph was a shitty pro.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:15 PM
@KC Resident – Thanks man
My vote is 2001 Miami
September 26th, 2008 at 12:15 PM
because everyone knows 18-6=7
/math’d
i know the BC was driving, but you cannot assume they would have scored.
they also blew out 14 Cuse 59-0, and 12 Washington 65-7.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:16 PM
94 Penn State had the Nat’l title stolen. Lost #1 ranking becuase they pulled starters against indiana, who then made game close. this a week after beating Ohio State by 45. and everyone wanted to give Osborne his first title, since he had shit the bed a bunch of times prior.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:16 PM
NSR – valid points about two close wins. didnt they get some BS bounce against BC? Like the pass skipped into reed’s hands and he took off?
I disliked that Nebraska team greatly .. but what a powerhouse. how many pros from that o-line?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Conversations like this remind me of what I missed out on growing..College sports wasn’t big in my house with exception of B-ball ( fam was all about pro teams) and didn’t start following college football till around about 6 years. By then I had missed all the FSU and Nebraska days. One of the only things I feel I was depraved of as a child
September 26th, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Is there a rule that any study that is done has to be stupid?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080926/sc_livescience/facebookprofilesoutnarcissists
September 26th, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Also, I was drinking me a bit of drink last night, but did anyone else think that USC laid down on OSU’s last touchdown? To save time?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Penn St fans, this is one of my all time fav links. Give us our trophy!
September 26th, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Penn State always pulled their starters in 1994. Carter could have ran for 250 in every game if he stayed in.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:18 PM
Mike Rumph was a shitty pro.
I remember when the 49ers drafted him. They got nothing
didnt they get some BS bounce against BC? Like the pass skipped into reed’s hands and he took off?
ED Reed is too fast. And this was before replay.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Why isn’t this a feature in NCAA 09, to have all-time-great college teams go against other all-time-great college teams? I remember in some older editions of the game they had the scenario option where you had to like, make the Doug Flutie pass, or lead the BYU comeback in the Holiday Bowl. But the all-time squad matchup would be worthy of adding to the game, in my mind anyway.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Don’t forget all of the players Nebraska had on the 1995 defense. Grant Wistrom, Christian Peter, Jason Peter, Jared Tomich, Mike Rucker, Jay Foreman, Mike Minter, Michael Booker, Tyrone Williams, Eric Warfield, Jamel Williams, and Terrell Farley. I’m probably forgetting a couple of guys too. All of those listed played in the NFL or at least got a sniff. Not to mention the kicker was Kris Brown who has been in the NFL for over ten years.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Sparty,
Your math skills notwithstanding, BC was going into score to make it 14-11 and Miami picked off the pass, I think it was a DL who pitched it to Reed who then scored a TD. BC was unranked at the time.
Also, I believe the close win over VT was done when Mike Vick was hobbled with an ankle injury.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:20 PM
I don’t think that Miami team was as good as the 1987 team. Those guys were just absurdly good on offense, defense, and special teams. I’m sure that 3 or 4 of them took classes too. Different era, but I think that team and their predecessors over the next 4 years were better than 2001…
September 26th, 2008 at 12:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Miami_Hurricanes_football_team#Defense
Just yikes.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:21 PM
@cbh
No, but it running joke among professors to see what is the most asinine idea they can come up with and still get grant funding for it
September 26th, 2008 at 12:21 PM
NSR-again, you cannot assume a score.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Sean Taylor and Antrel Rolle rotated in.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:21 PM
I was at the VT Miami game in 2001. We lost by 2 points and I think it was Wilford dropped a wide open 2 pt conversion. Everyone thought he caught it and went nuts but then the replay was shown and it went right through the bread-basket.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:22 PM
I remember in some older editions of the game they had the scenario option where you had to like, make the Doug Flutie pass, or lead the BYU comeback in the Holiday Bowl.
@lance-I remember that. It was a sweet feature.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Nebraska? HA!
Herbie knows
September 26th, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Now I found it. Vick didn’t even play, and Miami had to pick off another pass in the end zone to preserve a 26-24 victory.
VT’s QB Noel’s line for the game was 4-16 for 81 yards and 4 INT’s and they almost still won.
People forget the talent on the ‘95 Husker defense. They didn’t have great overall numbers because starters were out by the 3rd quarter.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:23 PM
It’s in the basketball one from last year, dunno why that didn’t transfer.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:23 PM
that’s just unfair.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:24 PM
cgb, is right. It was a dropped 2 pt conversion, not an INT as I had first thought.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I think it was a DL who pitched it to Reed who then scored a TD
know the facts. Ed Reed took the ball from his teammate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02fppIV9pik
September 26th, 2008 at 12:25 PM
No, but they seriously struggled with all of their offensive weapons against an unranked opponent. Hard to consider them the best team of all time.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:25 PM
cgb. Good stuff. I knew that Thursday home game was usually money.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:26 PM
The defense is sick, but look at that offensive backfield. Portis, Gore and McGahee. McKinnie blocking, Shockey at tight end, Andre Johnson stretching the field. God, I forgot how loaded they were everywhere.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:26 PM
@Tampa Bo @lance – The Holiday Bowl one with BYU was nuts.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I am admittedly fuzzy on the exact details. Sorry.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:28 PM
There were several other scenarios like that but I remember being bummed that “The Play” wasn’t made into one.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Grant Noel is the original Sean Glennon
September 26th, 2008 at 12:29 PM
The closest game the Huskers played in ‘95 was against Washington St. They led 28-7 in the 4th and it ended up 35-21. That was also their lowest point total all year. They topped 60 four times that year.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:31 PM
the psu offense had kerry collins, jeff hartings at center, kyle brady, kijana carter, bobby engram, joe jurevicius, brian milne at fullback
2001 miami and 1994 psu would be one hell of a fun game to watch.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:32 PM
wow, were Portis, Gore, and McGahee ALL in that backfield? That’s 3 all-pro RBs. damn.
how was the Nebraska D-line?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:32 PM
I’m joining this debate late and I admittedly skipped over all the posts after 50, but I’m here to rep the 2000 & 2001 Miami teams as the best ever. I would venture to say the 2000 team was even better than the 2001 team, they just got jobbed out of the NC game (thanks FSU) and lost a close game to Washington early in the year.
Let me rattle off some names for you from those teams:
Santana Moss, Andre Johnson, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, Frank Gore, Vincent Wilfork, Ed Reed, Johnathan Vilma, DJ Williams, Philip Buchannon, Mike Rumph, Dan Morgan, McDougal, Bryant McKinney, Najeh Davenport, Ken Dorsey, Vernon Carey, Jeremy Shockey, etc.
Are you freaking kidding me? Nebraska was great, but really, are you freaking kidding me?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Miami played more ranked opponents, beat those ranked opponents by a wider margin, had more All-Americans, demolished the team that fielded the Heisman Trophy winner and the Big 12’s leading rusher, set the NCAA record for points over ranked Opp and had more first-rounders than ‘95 NU had drafted TOTAL in the ‘96 Draft!
enough. Miami isnt even ranked right now and it kills me to talk about the good ol days. One more year baby
September 26th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I would put the ‘94 Nittany Lions ahead of the ‘01 Hurricanes. And yes, Penn St. got robbed.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Jurevicious was a frosh? I remember him burning Charles Woodson in 1997.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Oh, and Reggie Wayne.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Joe was flat out unfair to have to cover when he led Lake Catholic high to the state championship. A complete freak. (irish may remember those)
September 26th, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Any team where you can say, “oh, and reggie wayne” is ridiculous.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:38 PM
you know who made that 2001 Miami team possible? Butch Davis
Davis recruited all those stars and Larry Coker stepped in after Davis left for Cleveland.
Butch Davis comes back to Miami this weekend with his UNC Tar Heels to play his old team. Going down Butchie
September 26th, 2008 at 12:38 PM
“how was the Nebraska D-line?”
Impervious. People always accused Dr. Tom of running up the score, but the reality is that he pulled guys early (as stated multiple times on this thread.) You can’t look at their defensive numbers that year. I’m entirely too lazy, but I would assume they gave up more yards and points in the 4th quarter than they did in the first 3 quarters that year.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:38 PM
bsanders: Exactly.
Irish: Yep. Which is why I think UNC is on the up and up, no doubt.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:39 PM
Kerry Collins would have turned to the bottle a lot quicker if he had to play against the 2001 Miami defense.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I hope Butch gets a good response from everyone in Miami. Those were great years thanks to him.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Tomich (all-american), Wistrom, and the Peter brothers.
Miami beat 5 ranked opponents by an average score of 47-14. Nebraska beat 4 ranked opponents by an average of 49-18. Not a huge difference.
And the debate is best college team. Not best college team that produced the best pros. Nebraska never produced that many NFL-ers compared to other top-flight programs.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:41 PM
I made this comparison last week, spence. Great minds…
I’ll take ‘95 Nebraska.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Butch Davis’ money does big things.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:42 PM
1995 Nebraska is the best team I have ever seen play. They were absolutely unstoppable. There was no question going into any game, that they weren’t going to be able to do exactly what they wanted.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:42 PM
NSR: That would lend one to believe they were a great team, but not as talented as Miami. In other words, Miami vs. Nebraska, Miami wins.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:43 PM
And I’m not taking anything away from that Nebraska team. They were insane and unstoppable. This is an unwinnable argument for anyone involved.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:44 PM
There is only one way to settle this guys. Make a movie where they have a computer game between the teams on ESPN, which leads to the old has beens getting together for a game.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:44 PM
That should be a good game, personally I hope that Butch get his tail handed to him to weekend by Miami, Randy is starting to bring Miami back and they should be really good in a couple of years, if not sooner.
/Nothing personal against Butch, just can’t stand UNC, see avatar for reason
September 26th, 2008 at 12:45 PM
TBL – the starting defensive line for NU in 1995 was – Jared Tomich, Christian Peter, Jason Peter, and Grant Wistrom. Mike Rucker was a backup DE. Those guys might not be NFL stars but for a college d-line that’s pretty scary.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Absolutely. It’s the biggest reason why they had the success they did in the 90’s. So many of their reserves got meaningful playing time so that when it was their turn to start, the team didn’t miss a beat.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Urban Meyers’ money does big things
cmon Rockabye. I thought that was your team
September 26th, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Because as we all know, talent ALWAYS wins, as evidenced by last night. I can’t argue that Miami had more talent, but Nebraska would have beat them by 2 touchdowns.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Let me ask this, if ‘95 Huskers were playing the ‘01 Hurricanes, where would Vegas put the line?
September 26th, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Ultimately, it is a question that will never be answered. Both Miami 2001 and Nebraska 1995 were nasty. Let’s just leave it at that. But for those of us nostalgic Husker fans, damn that was a great year.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I don’t think it does anyone any good to compare average scores of the Canes and Huskers. IIRC, Miami liked to run up the score while Nebraska replaced studs with future studs.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:50 PM
@NSR- +21 Nebraska
September 26th, 2008 at 12:50 PM
Who knows. It’s a tough question and there is good reason to believe either side of the argument. I’m just a Hurricane fan, so I’m going with the Canes.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Irish, or any other gambler on this site, you see any sure thing bets this w/e? The 3 I am looking at ar Illinois +15.5, Auburn -6.5, and Washington St. +21.5.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Auburn = Surest bet ever.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Which is, of course, why Ron Zook and Steve Spurrier recruited really poorly for UF. Good call. (And, uh, Meyer was a bit more cash-strapped at Utah and Bowling Green.)
September 26th, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Sean Jean, I was thinking the same thing, but there is no telling how many points Auburn will score. Maybe the under on that game.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:55 PM
That’s a good point. I bet their defense gets a touchdown though. Maybe special teams too.
To be honest though, I’d never bet on UT. They are the most unpredictable team on earth. They either are just on and win the game, or implode for the entire game and leave you dumbfounded.
September 26th, 2008 at 12:56 PM
That being said, after 3 games, this is the worst UT team I have ever seen on the field. They are terrible (minus a few guys on defense).
September 26th, 2008 at 12:56 PM
@Ark- what about your ‘backs getting +27.5 at Texas? I agree with you on the Wash St/Oregon game. I like Navy again(i picked them over Rutgers) +15.5 @ Wake Forest
September 26th, 2008 at 1:02 PM
irish, I would stay away from that game. If anything I would bet on Texas, but that is a ton of points to give up.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
yeah, i know
September 26th, 2008 at 1:10 PM
You didn’t take the Hogs last week did you? I remember you mentioning it, I hope you used better judgement though. I had the U in a parlay that hit last week.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Auburn’s defense outscores Tennessee’s offense.
Bet on it!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:13 PM
@ark- no thank god
September 26th, 2008 at 1:18 PM
The only way to settle this
http://whatifsports.com/ncaafb/
September 26th, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Aaaaand they only go back to 1996. Alas.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Mike it only goes back to 1996.
September 26th, 2008 at 1:21 PM
thanks for playing Mike
HA!
September 26th, 2008 at 1:53 PM
fail