Penn State’s In. Who Will Join the Nittany Lions?
College Football October 27th. 2008, 12:15pm
Based on Saturday’s 13-6 triumph over Ohio State, Penn State has earned a spot in the BCS title game. It is a done deal. They’re not losing at Iowa and either Alabama or Texas (or both!) will lose a game. PSU has a week to get healthy and devise a plan to corral Hawkeyes’ RB Shonne Greene. Penn State’s going to the show for the first time since 1987, when Conlan and Dozier beat Vinny in the Fiesta Bowl. They shared the title in 1994 by beating a 3-loss Oregon team in the Rose Bowl. PSU’s opponent will be …
A) Texas. Winning at Texas Tech is no lock. Not the way the Longhorns D got lit up by the Oklahomas. Nobody wants the Big 12 North, and based on the season’s happenings, that’s because nobody would stand a chance against the Longhorns.
B) Alabama. Two weeks away from facing increasingly-fraudulent LSU, which gave up 51 to Florida and 52 to Georgia. Assuming the Tide win that, they’ll face the winner of this weekend’s Florida/Georgia game for the SEC crown.
C) USC. Do the pollsters like them? Do the computers? Do the Trojans deserve a spot in the title game if Texas and Oklahoma and Alabama and Florida/Georgia all have one loss, and have all played a tougher schedule?
D) Florida/Georgia. One will be eliminated this week, and if the winner can win out, and then beat Alabama in the SEC title game, the computers will probably love them (Georgia/Florida).
E) Utah. Ha.
You probably want to know where Oklahoma is. Guess it’s possible if Colt McCoy goes down and Texas loses to Texas Tech and Kansas. Seems doubtful, though. One Texas loss still means the Longhorns go to the Big 12 title game based on the head-to-head win. And it seems silly to imagine this scenario: Texas loses a regular season game, still goes to the Big 12 title game, and then loses to Missouri or something. Then would Oklahoma have case to play in the title game over the rest of the 1-loss teams? That’s too mind-numbing for us to grapple with on a Monday afternoon.
Regarding Texas Tech: Even if the Red Raiders beat Texas, Harrell will need even more magic to beat Oklahoma State next week, and then win at Oklahoma in two weeks.
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October 27th, 2008 at 12:20 PM
uh they still play michigan state
speaking of penn state palin is speaking here tomorrow. the school hasnt mentioned it though.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Texas and Florida will play for the title
October 27th, 2008 at 12:22 PM
You sure about this? Fairly certain Penn State got shafted that year.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:22 PM
It is gonna be Bama and Penn State as forecasted by Beano. Only a year earlier than predicted.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:24 PM
it was 94, and they shared it if you count the New York Times nat’l title as a nat’l title, which no one does.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:25 PM
I could see PSU vs USC. Not because it’s right, but because someone will lose their championship game and we all know that a late loss spells doom.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:26 PM
As long as she doesnt do the coin toss at the next Penn State game, they should win out.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Penn State is as close to a lock as it gets. As for their opponent, well, that is another story. If I had to take a guess at it, I will take Texas. I think they will get past Texas Tech and destroy whomever they play from the north in the title game. However, any slip up from them and it will be whomever wins the SEC.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:27 PM
“Not the way the Longhorns D got lit up by the Oklahomas.”
The Oklahomas?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Penn State’s D looked incredible against OSU. They limited the buckeyes to 61 total yards rushing and 2 yards per carry. I would like to see PSU go up an offense like that of Texas or Texas Tech.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:28 PM
i agree triston. i think SC has the best shoot to meet PSU there. just by the schedule alone you gotta figure they have the best odds of winning out and the SEC always beats itself up.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:28 PM
KC Resident- I am guessing “Oklahomas” is the plural of Oklahoma? I would have gone with Oklahomi personally.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Iowa is a trap game for Penn State. If Stanzi gets his shit together, they have a shot against PSU.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:31 PM
If you love college football, root for a USC vs. any 2-loss team nat’l championship. Just another year of a ridiculous BCS calculation, when 4 or 5 teams could realistically win. I had hoped for USC vs. tOSU, but that is dead.
Anything to eventually kill the BCS system and move to at least a 4 team playoff.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:31 PM
how do you figure?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:32 PM
i actually ran a brief google last night, came up with nothing.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:32 PM
/hef’d
October 27th, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Georgia vs. Penn St.
Book it.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
dont know about earlier but it was in the collegian today moleman
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2008/10/27/gov_palin_to_speak_at_rec_hall.aspx
October 27th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
OkSU only scored 24. Not exactly lighting it up.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:33 PM
arg. 1993 season, game played in 1994. good catch.
worst case scenario: texas wins out. and USC does too. and Penn state does, too. and USC jumps pen state. could that happen?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:34 PM
“They shared the title in 1993 by beating a 3-loss Oregon team in the Rose Bowl.”
I believe Nebraska was the sole champion that year and that season was one of the reasons the Bowl Alliance got started.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:37 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_Football#National_championships
They finished #2 in both the Coaches and AP. That what stupid bowl conference tie-ins will do for you.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:38 PM
No – the USC loss wouldn’t let them jump a no-loss PSU in the BCS. Plus, no one is going to vote USC above PSU if they both win out.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:39 PM
No way USC can jump Penn State because they would have to be ahead in the computers. Brad Edwards of ESPN does a great article on the BCS every week and said if Oklahoma, USC, and Florida/Georgia finish with one loss USC can’t finish above them because the computer numbers will be so great for the other teams.
USC is done barring something mircaulous happening. The weakness of the PAC 10 will kill them.Not to mention the pollsters will never put a one loss BCS team ahead of a no loss BCS team. It’s unprecedented.
One more thing, Oklahoma can play in the big 12 title game with a Texas Tech win against Texas and they beat Texas Tech. If three teams finish with one loss in the Big 12 South almost certainly Oklahoma will win the tiebreaker since the tiebreaker is BCS ranking.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Congratulations! You have jinxed Penn State.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Both systems suck. PLAYOFF! PLAYOFF!
8 teams, 6 BCS schools, 2 at-larges ranked based on the BCS formula. Top 4 get home games, semi-finals are the 4 BCS bowls, and a championship game that is Super Bowl-esque in that it goes around to the huge College FB stadiums. Winner winner chicken dinner.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:40 PM
The ‘94 season vote was a venerable blow job to Osborne, who had yet to win a title at that point. If JoePa gets some favoritism this year due to his age, etc., so be it, it’s his turn.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:40 PM
You highly underestimate the fellatio USC receives from the media
October 27th, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Triston – no I didn’t forget about the “west coast bias” of USC. JoePa is going to carry some heavy favoritism as well.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:43 PM
Triston: The computers hate USC too much.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:45 PM
This is a question I would like to ask all of you college FB enthusiasts:
We had the old bowl system with the conference-bowl allegiances and the national champ(s) was determined by the polls. Then that system was determined broken and the BCS was born.
Do you believe that the cure (BCS) was better than the disease (polls determine nat’l champ)?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:46 PM
So USC (a team that lost to Oregon State) is going to hop a no loss Penn state team that destroyed Oregon State?
Even Beano Cook thinks that’s crazy.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:48 PM
As much as I would love to see that happen, I believe this says it best.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Oh one more thing. Deep BCS sleeper.
Florida State.
Don’t think they can win out, but if they have one loss going into that Florida game at the end of the year…
I don’t even want to finish that thought for the fear of my brain exploding.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Forgot the link.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:50 PM
beerman- I think this format works out better because we could have had a few years where we would have had a huge argument with the other way because the teams wouldn’t have played each other
2004- Oklahoma/USC
2005 – Texas/USC
2002 – Miami/Ohio State.
thats just off the top of my head.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:51 PM
It’s going to be Tulsa v. Penn State in the NC.
/still way to far out to know who’s in and out
//still too many ways for the BCS to fuck it up to know who’s in and out
///seriously, I could see PSU with no losses not in, that’s how fucked up this system is
October 27th, 2008 at 12:53 PM
it would be great to play spoiler.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Could TCU and Boise State (assuming neither loses another game this year) both make a BCS game?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:55 PM
sure they could both make a BCS game
/if all the other shittyass overrated teams like michigan weren’t getting propped up by this stupid system
//boy does michigan suck
October 27th, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Haven’t seen many comments from the normal Michigan and OSU homers today…wonder why?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:57 PM
Link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QLLgEUNIog
October 27th, 2008 at 12:57 PM
How quickly people forget – Penn St started 9-0 in 1999 and was #2 in the BCS before losing 3 straight Big Ten games. Lots can happen when college kids are told how awesome they are for a week and have to go play other college kids who are told they stink and have no chance.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:57 PM
i’m not even that crazy and i’m an fsu season ticket holder.
an outside shot of winning the acc? perhaps. bcs title game? only if you on shrooms.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:57 PM
More likely Utah and Boise St.
If Texas wins on Saturday, they win out. Though the Big 12 Champ game in a cold Arrowhead stadium could be a bit more difficult against Mizzou than before.
LSU and Auburn are looking less and less likely to put up a fight against Alabama. But a game against Florida (if they beat GA on Sat.) would be awesome.
I agree that the Iowa game is a possible trap for Penn St. Is there a QB controversy with Penn St. too?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Didn’t this scenario just happen with LSU last year?
October 27th, 2008 at 12:58 PM
If a Florida team that lost to crappy Ole Miss at home makes it to the BCS title game over USC which lost to legit Oregon State on the road I will have to personally have to destroy everything east of the Mississippi River. F-ing east coast bias.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:59 PM
The BCS is better than no system, but there are still too many ridiculous variables.
Beerman – I agree with you for the most part on the playoff. I would rather argue who should/should not be left out of an 8 team playoff than who should/should not be left out of a 1 game sweepstakes.
October 27th, 2008 at 12:59 PM
GO Blue!
October 27th, 2008 at 1:00 PM
God no – as long as Clark is healthy he plays. Early in the year Devlin would play every 3rd or 4th series, but that has diminished as the season wore on (and there weren’t as many blowouts).
October 27th, 2008 at 1:00 PM
Comparing losses is stupid. It’s not who you lose to, it’s who you beat.
Comparing losses is what put Florida St. into the title game over Miami, even though the team that Fla St. lost to was MIAMI!
October 27th, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Oregon St…Legit? Am I reading this correctly?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
That comment is so stupid it makes my head hurt.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
It’s not likely for one reason. There is going to be some serious carnage in the Big 12 South as Tech, Oklahoma, and Ok St. still have to play each other, not to mention the Tech-Tex game on Saturday.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:03 PM
i would rather see tx play penn state if they win out. florida scares me. if ala and penn state both lose, i still think there is a chance for an ou tx rematch. usc and fla shouldn’t jump ou since ou’s only loss would be the #1 team in the country. fla might since they would have to win the sec championship.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
No, go BO.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
I always thought a way to get rid of the mid-major madness would to take the best of the conferences I.E. Boise, Hawaii, Fresno, BYU, Utah, TCU, Air Force. Teams that have been good consistently in the past few years and form another conference that is tied in to the BCS. Maybe throw in a couple indepenents to make numbers round. (ND, Army, Navy) That sounds like a pretty bad ass conference. It would suck to play hawaii as a midshipmen though.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Is Ohio St better than USC since USC lost to unranked Oregon St. while Ohio St has lost to 2 top-5 teams? Should we assume Penn St. would crush USC since they beat the team that beat USC?
Asinine.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Oregon State beat USC who is…a pretty good team. Oregon State outplayed Utah (and lost in the last minute) on the road who is…an unbeaten pretty good team. So yes, they are legit.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:05 PM
If Florida state gets into the top 14 and Ohio State drops out of the top 14 then bowls are going to be required to take the MWC winner and Boise State since they will be the only eligible teams left in the top 14 pool.
If FSU does get into the top 14 there then here’s how the bowl games would look as of today.
BCS title game- Texas-Alabama
Rose Bowl – Penn State – USC
Fiesta Bowl – Oklahoma- Boise/WVU/Utah
Sugar Bowl – Florida/Georgia – Boise/WVU/Utah
Orange Bowl – Florida State -Boise/WVU/Utah
The Fiesta would be stuck picking between Boise State-Utah or West Virginia to put against Oklahoma. What a debacle. Boise-Oklahoma again? Oklahoma West Virginia again? Who knows what they do. Then the Sugar would pick and then the orange bowl gets the scraps.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:06 PM
It is so sad that Penn State will get into the title game. Texas may lose a game going through that gauntlet they face and Bama, UGA or FLA may go 12-1 yet Penn State, a team that will have beaten one quality team, will go ahead of them. gotta love this system.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:07 PM
So Utah should be ranked ahead of USC since they beat the team that USC lost to?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:08 PM
I agree there should be a system. But, no system would be better than the BCS. At least shitty ass conferences would be self absorbed in their tradition and bowl games and we wouldn’t forced to argue about whether or not 1 or 2 loss teams “deserve” to be in NC games. We would just be arguing over which bowl would be the best to watch and then when they’re all over we’d be arguing over which no loss team should be the “NC”.
I prefer the old “no system”, only because there wasn’t the perception of money driving the whole process and the giant football factories having the only say in the outcome. At least with the old system it really was about getting the best matchup in the bowl games, there was tradition in those bowls, and outside teams knew they had a fair shot at a good bowl game if they just played well, even if they finished with one loss they had a chance. Now outside teams are left out because their crowd doesn’t travel well, and they don’t bring in a national audience.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:09 PM
what quality team did PSU beat?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Apples and Oranges. Ohio State lost twice and USC lost once. USC and Florida also have no direct comparison like USC and Ohio State do.
Wouldn’t you pick Penn St in that game at a neutral site? And it is something different for PSU to crush OrSt at home and OrSt to beat USC in Corvallis.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Rollllll Tide!
October 27th, 2008 at 1:12 PM
No freaking way.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:13 PM
Ignorant ass. Utah got outplayed by Oregon State in Salt Lake City. Oregon State beat USC in Corvallis. Where the game is played matters. Which makes Florida loss to Ole Miss even more embarrassing. And at no point did I try to make the “team A beat team B who beat team C so team A must be better than team C” argument.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:14 PM
Hell no.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Oklahoma lost to Texas, who is regarded as #1 right now, yet if Texas losses they will fall behind OkU. Clearly Texas is better because they beat them head to head, but tt isn’t about who you beat, or who you lose to. It’s about when you lose, hence USC back in the hunt, and OkU being over Texas.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:18 PM
sandi…preach on.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:18 PM
Out of curiousity I just checked the FL schedule. Their “best” opponent so far is a severly overrated LSU team. Other “great” teams on their schedule so far include Hawaii, KY, Tenn., Ark, Miami (FL) and Ole Miss, who BEAT them at home. Not exactly murderer’s row.
Upcoming games include Georgia (going to be a great game) and then they finish with Vandy, So. Car., Citadel and FSU and, possibly, the SEC title game.
So, I’d say their schedule is about equal to PSU’s. One Top Ten matchup (PSU vs. OSU and UF vs. Georgia), one good out of conference matchup against comparable opponents (Or. St for PSU and FSU for U of F) and then a bunch of middling/lower Top 25 in conference matchups and cupcakes.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:23 PM
KY, Tenn, Ark, Ole Miss, Vandy, So Car, Miss St, Auburn…wow, what an incredibly deep conference.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Fla St. (6-1 and #15) is much better than Oregon St. (4-3 and unranked). Oregon St. is closer to Miami (5-3) than they are to Fla St. And Georgia is much better than Ohio St. who is should be around 20th instead of 12th. Ohio St. is closer to LSU than they are Georgia.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:25 PM
SEC is certainly down this year, but the top 3 (Fla., Ga., and Bama) is still strong. Can’t say that about any other conference save for the big 12 this year.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:28 PM
Michigan now sits 8-0, ready to destroy all comers in the BCS NC game.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:30 PM
You’re giving FSU way too much credit. Their “best” win is either Colorado (ugh) or Miami (FL)
October 27th, 2008 at 1:32 PM
If FLA goes 12-1 they would have beaten LSU, UGA, Bama, FSU and South Car. If UGA goes 12-1 they will have beaten LSU, FLA, Bama, South Car, GT and Vandy. If Penn State wins out they will have beaten OR St, OSU, Iowa, Mich St, and…
October 27th, 2008 at 1:34 PM
damn Roeth
October 27th, 2008 at 1:35 PM
If Penn State wins out they will have beaten OR St, OSU, Iowa, Mich St, and…
COSTAL CAROLINA
October 27th, 2008 at 1:36 PM
FSU is ranked because they are Florida State. They haven’t beaten a good team. They will finish with a minimum of 3 losses. Miami’s victories are over Charleston Southern, Duke, Wake, UCF, and Texas A&M. I don’t exactly see a USC-esque victory in there.
Oregon State is closer to Florida than they are to FSU or Miami. Wait, Oregon State beats bad teams at home.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Not giving a shit about either Penn State or Florida I would have to go with Florida playing the tougher schedule. In my personal opinion, FSU would beat Oregon State by 3 touchdowns. You know you schedule sucks when you have to use a victory over Oregon State as a crutch. Bottom line, Penn State will get a shot at a title because they will win all of their games. As much as I think their conference is a joke, they will still have a “0″ in the loss column.
Just a little food for thought: The Sagarin ratings have Penn State’s schedule strength at number 64 and Florida’s at number 24, for whatever it’s worth.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Ha! Based off of what? Be honest, how many times have you actually seen Oregon State play?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
October 27th, 2008 at 1:39 PM
@Roeth, you forget that in order for Fla to go 12-1 they have to play in the SEC championship game, which instantly makes their schedule harder than Penn State’s.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:40 PM
@Beaverbeliever- You are certifiably crazy if you think Oregon State is closer to Florida than Florida State. I understand sticking up for your team, but man, at least bring a little reality into it.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:40 PM
The Beard – I agree with you on that point. The SEC title game would be a major difference in the schedule.
God I screwed up that last post.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:41 PM
If only Penn State had more beavs on their schedule and not a badger
October 27th, 2008 at 1:41 PM
Come on…do you really believe this? Stanford and Utah beat OR St…their win over USC was an upset…nothing more. Penn State is a good team, but to say that just because they go 12-0 they should be in the title is the exact problem with the BCS. Becuase teams play different competition, unless we get a playoff we will never know who the best team is…but who I am kidding thinking the NCAA cares about who the best team is.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:43 PM
@Beaverbeliever- You are certifiably crazy if you think Oregon State is closer to Florida than Florida State
you see his nickname right?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:44 PM
Honestly, once. However, that is the same amount of times that I have seen Florida State play, so for the purposes of my argument, I am basing my decision on the same sample size.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:45 PM
@dwalthi – i noticed you conveniently didn’t answer the question. probably safe to assume the answer was zero. thanks for coming out. and i don’t think they are on florida’s level but they are a superior team to florida state.
/actually watch football from all conferences
October 27th, 2008 at 1:45 PM
loss to Stanford: they actually outplayed them
loss to Utah: also outplayed them, the score was misleading
loss to Penn State: it was on the road, what do you expect?
/beaverbeliever.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:47 PM
Penn State is a notch better than ohio state…that’s about all you can say after saturday’s game. PSU won, and deservedly so, they shut down the best back in college football, but at the same time, if they didn’t get a timely (depending on whom you root for) fumble by pryor, they’d have been hard pressed to win.
that said…i think PSU has just as much of a legit claim at an NC berth as Texas, that’s for sure, if both go undefeated, but i would put a 1-loss SEC team above them…and texas too for that matter.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:48 PM
sorry…posted a little late there…
October 27th, 2008 at 1:48 PM
the 16 team playoff would be the beat thing possible. You would need to lose conference championship games however in order to keep the season a decent length. 16 team playoff means 4 games for the 2 teams in the champions ship game, a 16 game season. not too much to ask for, these kids(the good ones anyways) will be playing at least that in the NFL. if there was a 16 team playoff this year as of now it would include
1. Texas 8-0
2. Alabama 8-0
3. Penn State 9-0
4. Oklahoma 7-1
5. USC 6-1
6. Georgia 7-1
7. Texas Tech 8-0
8. Florida 6-1
9. Oklahoma State 7-1
10. Utah 8-0
11. Boise State 7-0
12. Ohio State 7-2
13. TCU 8-1
14. Missouri 6-2
15. Florida State 6-1
16. Ball State 8-0
Every team we are talking about is in there, when the BCS contract it up please please lets do this.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:49 PM
All that matters is total losses and when you lost. FSU won’t jump anyone cause they currently sit behind too many teams. Including non-BCS schools. Unless all of those teams lose again, and FSU runs the table, it isn’t happening. This arguement is stupid, who cares about Oregon St. and FSU.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Damn. And you were making pretty good arguments up until this point too.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:55 PM
I never said Oregon State didn’t deserve each loss they had. I said they outplayed Utah in SLC and they did…and lost. I never mentioned the Stanford game. And they were EMBARRASSED in Happy Valley. But if you want to talk about the quality of a team, that is what I am speaking to. Oregon State is a legit team which was my original statement that was questioned.
October 27th, 2008 at 1:55 PM
This arguement is stupid, who cares about Oregon St. and FSU
golf clap to you sir
October 27th, 2008 at 1:56 PM
@NSR – can’t a guy make a joke?
October 27th, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Charlie Ward and Terry Baker
October 27th, 2008 at 1:57 PM
You can’t do a 16 team playoff either because then you can make the same argument for the teams that are left out. How do you determine who is in? With everyone playing completely different schedules. Currently, there is no proposed system better than the BCS. Just to say a playoff is need is ridiculous because a lot more thought needs to go into it. I think a plus one is the best alternative currently.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:02 PM
“KY, Tenn, Ark, Ole Miss, Vandy, So Car, Miss St, Auburn…wow, what an incredibly deep conference.”
With the exception of an injury-depleted KY, every single one of those teams would be favored over Oregon State at home, and would beat them. At OSU, likely a diff story.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:02 PM
WHAT?? If the 17th best team gets left out who cares…if the team ranked 3rd and is undefeated then it becomes a travesty.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:03 PM
I like the plus one for now.
What would be ideal is to make every conference have a championship game and then every conference champion moves on to the tournament. But that’s never going to happen.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
who is getting left out? Tulsa? BYU? This year there is what 10-12 teams with an actual chance to play in the MNC?
A plus one would be better right now i guess.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
But for the record…FSU the last 2 years 14 wins, UF 22 wins, Miami has 12. Oregon State? 19 wins.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:04 PM
Apparently not a funny one.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:05 PM
There is also a looming presence in the BCS picture (not for the title game, obviously) that nobody is mentioning :
Notre Dame, if they win out.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:05 PM
See, now I can’t tell if you’re being serious, or if you’re telling another one of your jokes. Just so I’m covered, ha ha.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:07 PM
Why is anyone still talking about OU at this point? Sure almost everyone still has to play each other….but how does this make sense.
Team A beats Team B at neutral site by 10 pts.
Team A beats Team C at home by 4 pts.
Team A has 0 losses and is ranked #1 in the country.
Team B has 1 loss, beat 0 top 10 teams and is ranked #4 in the country.
Team C has 1 loss, 1 top 10 team on the road and is ranked #10 in the country
A = Texas
B = OU
C = OkState
How is that fair?
F OU
October 27th, 2008 at 2:10 PM
@UFmeUGetSTD- You are bringing logic into the fold, and we all know, that logic has no place in college football.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:10 PM
Well, first off zero of those teams win at OrSt, at least right now. And Tenn? FREAKING TENNESSEE?!?!? They lost to UCLA! Has the SE corner of the country wiped that from their memory? Who have any of those teams beat? I am asking honestly. Amongst that group, who are the quality victories? I don’t want to take the time to look up every school. I would venture a guess that among those 8 schools there is one good win (Ole Miss over UF) but I could be wrong. For once today.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:12 PM
No, NSR, those are what we call “facts”. Look into it. But good counterpoint. Kudos.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:13 PM
All of this is moot as PSU and Texas will most likely go undefeated…I think Bama would lose to either florida or in a rematch with UGA taking them out of the picture.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:15 PM
@beaverbeliever- It really is a moot argument. Let’s pick something that everyone can agree on: Washington State sucks. How about that?
October 27th, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Wazzu sucks?!!? They have played an incredib………alright. They are easily the worst BCS conference football team. Is it even close? At least they have a victory. Suck it UW.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:18 PM
@UFmeUGetSTD: The reason is because of the stupid ass pre-season polls, which handicapped OU because people got together and decided that OU was better before either team had played a game.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Oregon State’s next win vs an SEC team will be it’s first win over an SEC team. EVER. They did manage to tie Tenn once.
Those are facts.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Hahaha…yes, I am supremely embarrassed by that record. Everybody knows about Oregon State’s long history of losing to the SEC. I mean there was several years back and…um…
Whatever happened before Mike Riley doesn’t count. I don’t think it is really debatable that OSU was the worst team in college football for twenty years prior to Mike Riley’s arrival.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:30 PM
It’s still a little early for posts/articles like this, still a lot of football to go. I’m already waking up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night envisioning Bama/Tex running the table.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:31 PM
here is a link to the BCS computer rankings. kinda interesting looking at how the computers see LSU and Oregon State.
http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/rankings
the sagarin link is bad, but the rest are the current standings.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Yeah, those awful Dennis Erickson years when they went 31-17 and won a BCS bowl.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Perfect example of an uneducated dumbass. Dennis Erickson was AFTER Mike Riley first came to Oregon State. But you’re right, you probably know much more about OSU than I do.
Thank you for showing yourself as the dummy you are. Well, thank you for showing it again.
October 27th, 2008 at 2:52 PM
OU will play OSU, so who cares who is ranked higher right now. The whole Big 12 still has to beat up on eachother, so that will sort out.
As for a 16 team tournament, who cares about the 16th team? I bet the team that is 16th cares. Someone is always going to be left out, that is why it isn’t a good system. Plus, you lose the conference championships, which is ridiculous. Right now a plus 1 is the only viable option.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:02 PM
last year the 16th team was fradulent Clemson, 17th was Oregon which was a very inferior team without Dixon, 18th was 3 loss Wisconsin. the 16th team would be viewed as a 16-1 is during March Maddness.
I would not take Ball State, Minn, or Tulsa over Texas if the rankings stay the same this year. Would Anyone?
October 27th, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Then what is the point of including 16 teams? You admit yourself the 16th isn’t worthy. Bottom line is that 16 teams are too many. No one on here is arguing that the 16th best team should be NC. Also, a team could get hot at the end of the year, or heal from injury and be significantly better.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:27 PM
You guys know that Texas doesn’t have to lose twice for OU to make the title game, right?
If Texas Tech beats Texas and then Oklahoma beats Texas Tech they would finish in a 3 way tie assuming all of them won their other games. In that case the tiebreaker would be whoever is ranked highest in the BCS which would most likely be OU since they would’ve lost the earliest.
October 27th, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Thanks Granite. That was mentioned about 50 comments ago, but welcome to the party.