Do the Chicago Papers Have Sources at Notre Dame?
College Football, Media Gossip/Musings November 11th. 2008, 12:30pm
It’s been two days since Notre Dame was blanked by Boston College. Anyone who follows football can deduce that this was a damaging loss to fourth-year Irish coach Charlie Weis. And yet … neither the Tribune or the Sun-Times has one person on the record or as an anonymous source saying as much. Not even someone in the athletic department feigning confidence.
Weak.
Greg Couch of the Sun-Times, who is usually on point, navel gazes thusly:
Is it time to fire Weis? See how these next three weeks go. If I had to predict, Notre Dame will beat Navy and lowly Syracuse, and if not, then Weis is gone. But his last stand figures to come at USC. A blowout loss, and he’s gone. A close loss, showing that he has Notre Dame competitive with the nation’s elite, and he survives.
Couch doesn’t bother “predict” what kind of buyout the school would need to pony up should they decide to fire Weis.
Mike Downey of the Tribune offers up this:
Accordingly, there are some who believe that Saturday’s game in Baltimore against the Midshipmen could be sink-or-swim time for ND’s coach. One more unfathomable defeat could turn out to be the last straw—No More Mr. Weis Guy. How desperate is this situation? SOS.
“Some?” Way to quantify things, Downey. How difficult would it have been to pick up the phone and ring the athletic department? TJ Simers could have spun a column out of chatting with the secretary about this.
Is it just us, or do both of these column read like blog posts?
It’s popular to take shots at Notre Dame, which is one of the most hated sports teams in the country, right there with the Yankees, Cowboys and Duke hoops. But this febrile speculation is sad.
Let’s start with the basics: What would it cost the school to buy out Weis after this season? How many boosters are pissed off? Have any recruits re-neged on committments? Any players thinking about transfering? What do former coaches like Willingham, Ara Parseghian, Gerry Faust, and Bob Davie think? What do old players like Ismail, Chris Zorich, Joe Montana, Greg Olson, and Julius Jones – you know, guys who may be on the sideline for the USC game – think?
We’re just looking for substance, not speculation.
Irish football fans need to be more riled up (Chicago Tribune)
Weis’ bailout package (Sun-Times)
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November 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Huh?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
What would it cost the school to buy out Weis after this season?
It’s not about the buyout. ND can pony up the money. This stupid buyout amount is just another figure for journalists to put into their column so they can further defend their hatred for Weis. Does anyone think ND would have any type of cashflow problems if they needed to buy Weis out? Who gives a crap about how much his buyout is if they can afford it?
As a non-ND basher, I personally don’t think it makes a difference. The current admin has failed on it’s last 3 (4 if you count O’Leary) coaching attempts. What makes anyone think they’ll be able to change things up this time.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Not only do they have the money for the buyout, but they have plenty to spare in luring Mike Leach to South Bend.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
anyone think urban meyer would jump the florida ship for ND?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
My source at the Chicago Tribune says Weis gets paid in Chicken Nuggets.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
that would be madness…sheer madness.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
@LanceBriggsLambo
Bingo. Willingham received a larger paycheck from ND than Weis did last year. They’ve got plenty of cash, and ND isn’t running a charity either. Have you been to the bookstore?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
He passed them over to go to Florida, but he does love ND. It was specifically in his contract at Utah that if ND came calling, he could get out of his contract immediately.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Why would he go to ND name, when he already chose Florida over ND in the first place?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
what does it matter how much money ND has? they’re not a pro sports team, they’re a university. what school wants to spend a gross amount just on some sports team, regardless of presige?
aw fuck it…who am i kidding?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
There is 0% chance he is fired before the year ends or before next year. AFTER next year maybe we can start talking. He has been getting good players there and it’s taken them time to develop. People need to realize that Notre Dame actually HAS academic standards so the talent pool they choose from is not as big. Give Clausen another year and they will be very good.
All the starters are majority Freshmen and Sophmores. People are f-ing crazy these days. They had one set-back. Big deal. It’s not like the players are out causing trouble, beating girlfriends, flunking out.
The media is brutal these days.
I will admit though, if Weis wasn’t so cocky, people would get off his case
November 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Definitely not… What does Notre Dame have to offer him that Florida doesn’t have? Nothing. He gets top recruiting classes with less fuss over academics and has built them back up to powerhouse status. Notre Dame may have been the mecca of college football 10-15+ years ago, but in the BCS age Florida is one of only a few schools at the top of summit.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Is he fucking nuts? It’s all but guaranteed to be a blowout loss, that game has absolutely no bearing on Weis’ fate at ND.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
go to ND now. Ugh, need an edit button.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Still rebuilding from some major loses of his QB, TE, and WR. I would say those coaches from the past would have criticized the school for not giving them enough time, and would just say wait it out.
Would be interesting if Romeo and Weiss got canned in the same year.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
more money, less of a challenge than the SEC, guaranteed BCS every year if he just keeps on keepin on, more prestige, he loves ND…
November 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
what gives you that inclination spence? I’m hearing the Leach rumors as well especially because recruiting should be easy at ND and he could score like a gillion points, like he has done at Tech.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Leech is not going to Notre Dame. There is no such thing as a “Traditional Power” any more. Nobody will go there. The academic standards are too high. why do you think Weis was the 5th choice??? Who could they possibly get now?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Not that I’ve heard. By all accounts, his recruiting has been one of the few bright spots over the past year and a half.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
First Downey is an idiot.
Second, Urban Meyer rejected ND four years ago why would he go there now? (and btw, this is why ND fired Ty, Domers wanted Meyer but everyone forgets this).
Third, the only contract worse than Weis’ ten year deal was the Isles giving Rick Dipietro that fifteen year deal (or was it twenty) a few years back.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
gut feeling, that’s all.
meyer is a stupendous asshole and egomaniac. he loves ND and would probably savor the challenge. plus, he probably saw what was in store based on Ty’s recruits so he probably saw it coming.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Yeah, that baffles me. He was already under contract until 2010. Why the hell would they give him an extension when they already had a healthy 6-year deal in place? Insane.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Who recruited those guys? The black coach, right?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
@mamalickaboobooday
But you said it yourself, he is able to get the players and top recruiting classes. At other schools these 5 star recruits contribute almost immediately, yet Weis needs 2-3 years to develop them?
November 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
He’s a young guy too, he’ll be coaching there at some point.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I think they were walk-ons.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
ND sucks. They should bring back Carlyle Holiday and Bob Davie just like the good ol’ days.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
but when it’s ALL underclassmen, it takes a while.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Alabama…
November 11th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
ohio state had ONE senior on their two-deep last year and went to the NC game…say what you want about schedule and conference and all that, but between OSU and ND it was even.
weis is simply a bad college coach. he might be a decent pro OC, but it’s not translating to the college game.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I actually think the NBC contract is starting to hurt ND football more than anyone will lead on. Sure it racks in a ton of money for the university, but I don’t think there is much of an advantage of being an indie these days. The ND rivalries: Penn State, MSU, USC, even Michigan, have all taken a back seat to the Big Ten or Pac-10 races/BCS. The Navy game is nice, but uninteresting; the BC game only matters to Catholics, and the ND/Purdue stuff was fun only for a few years. If ND cared about it’s football program, it’d join the Big Ten; play Navy, USC, and two cupcakes every year and attempt to build from there.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I don’t think anyone in their right mond would put Charlie in the league of Saban and the sweater-vest, but ND isn’t going to get that caliber of coach anyways.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
god i wish this would happen. 12th team in the b10…conference champ game…much better for everyone. well, except ND, but fuck ‘em.
November 11th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
That’s because he’s from a pro system
/Mags’d
November 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
join the Big Ten; play four cupcakes every year and attempt to build from there.
/Everyone in the Big 10 not named Ohio St.’d
November 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
@mamalickaboobooday — ND doesn’t have the same academic standards as it once did–even as recently as five years ago. They changed those standards for Weis, btw, and he’s bought the kids in but hasn’t developed them. ND’s standards are now more on line with Michigan than Northwestern/Stanford.
I don’t think Charlie Weis is all that good of a coach; I thought he was doing an okay job with Clausen… but after last week, I don’t think you can even say that any more.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Rich Rod wants the ND job.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
If the Big Ten really wanted to step up they would get WVU, Pitt and ND. All schools are good in hoops and football (except ND obviously) and they could renew the Pitt v PSU rivalry and have 2 7 team divisions. I could respect the Big 14.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
The only teams in the Big Ten that are any good year in and year out now and don’t play anyone are Penn State and Wisconsin.
If you want a conference that doesn’t play anyone out of conference, look no further than the SEC which other than FLA; no one plays anyone that they might lose too. (credit for Georgia for bucking the trend this year). But I think ESPN looked at out of conference schedules over the last ten years and of the ten worst; five of those teams were in the SEC.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
The Big Ten will wait… and wait… and wait… for NBC not to reup ND and then they’ll invite them. But until this, the Big Ten will have 11 teams and ND will remain an indie.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
cgb…wouldnt that destroy the big east tho? and the big east is a much stronger basketball conference and i don’t think those schools would want to lose out on that.
hate to say it but the best candidates for big 10 allegiance, that aren’t ND, are Mizzou and Tenn…and neither of those are happening. it’s all on ND.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
I really don’t think ND would be able to outbid UF for him.
Honestly I’m more worried that he’d go to OSU if Tressel left for some reason than I am about ND.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
@ Spence…Congrats to OSU for doing so well with young guys, but this year they are significantly worse. Does this mean that Tressal can’t coach? He had the talent last year, now they are 1 year older. He should be unstoppable by your logic.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
please tell me how much they’d have to cough up to buy out weis AND then hire a new coach. i still haven’t seen a figure.
you do realize his extension was in the $30-40 million range, right?
November 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Also, as far as the recruits, yes they were Ty’s, but Weiss still had to develop them. Clearly Ty wasn’t doing a great job at Washington. Weiss did get a top recruit in Claussen, so give the guy time. He is getting talent that is required of a man in his position.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Bob Davie can think?
November 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
i think it was all because of the ND loss to USC. just a guess. EVERYONE was sucking Weis off for that loss.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
TBL I would ride it out. Fuck it its not like ND is ever gonna be good anyway.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
by my logic? all i said was that they won last year with underclassmen, i wasn’t saying shit projecting their talent in the future.
this year has sucked…our OL has regressed a ridiculous amount, especially rehring, boone and browning. the defense, after getting waxed by USC, has been pretty damn impressive despite not having any decent DLmen.
oh, and don’t forget the true frosh QB.
i know you HATE OSU, but all i was doing was using a comparison about coaches with a lot of underclassmen, don’t turn this into ANOTHER OSU bashing post.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Yes, unless he does something epically atrocious like lose his last three, he’s not going anywhere.
He already said before the season it would be an improvement over last year’s mess, but still not where they need to be by their standards. He went on to say something like, “but in 2009, watch out.”
November 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Breaston > Ginn
/Science
November 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
@Granite Guy & Spence: Granite Guy is right…not a chance in hell that ND outbids Fla for Meyer…with the new SEC TV dough, Florida has more money than ND now to spend.
@TBL…why would Greg Olsen be on the sidelines for a Notre Dame game? he transferred to Miami without ever playing a game…under acrimonious circumstances, I might add.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
That’s a good point. The way they played under Charlie with that near upset of USC like you said, coaching the same players that Ty had the year before, had Notre Dame fans and alumni doing the congo line.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Jay V-Don’t you mean G-Reg from the 7th Floor.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
is the SEC TV dough enough to overcome ND’s deal with NBC that’s already in place?
i was just speculating and had nothing at all to base my statement on. all i was saying was meyer loves ND and would probably relish the opportunity to inflate his own ego some more. i don’t think it’s as simple as who has the most $$$ because even then, im pretty sure ND has more of it.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Everyone says he had to get HIS guys in there, but seems to me like Ty’s guys got him to two (undeserved) BCS games
November 11th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
I’ll preface this with I don’t think it will ever happen, but if it did it would be huge power move. The Big East would definitely take a blow, but would adjust. Everyone thought the conference was done when BC, VT and Miami left and they aren’t. Football is where the real money is at, so joining a new super conference with its own TV network and great bowl tie-ins and the great ESPN deal could be very appealing for Pitt and WVU.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
@Tampa Bo…yep…and his buddy “Big Beast”
http://www.myspace.com/seventhfloorcrew
November 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Greg Robinson will be available for Notre Dame.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
November 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
cgb…i like your idea a lot…lets go to b10 headquarters and see if we can’t get this shit in motion.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
To the Fail Mobile!
November 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
yea, you’re right…no chance in hell. we could always curbstomp delany tho…
November 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
seriously…fuck delany.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Haha
November 11th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
@ Spence…Not trying to bash OSU too much, just commenting that you said they were able to do it with underclassmen last year, why can’t Weiss. I was merely pointing out that your logic is backwards, and typically underclassmen don’t perform that well. Obviously Tressel isn’t a bad coach because he can’t duplicate the same success as last year. Same way it is obvious that Weiss isn’t a bad coach cause he hasn’t won with young guys.
Besides, Tressel is a bad coach because he is a douche.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Febrile? Damn, I guess you really are a scrabble player.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Meyer is not going to ND…that is wishful thinking Spencer. I could see him jumping to the NFL to test the ego but ND is a step (or more) down from Florida. Winning in the SEC makes you a God to many and that is what Urban gets off on.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
whoa…you’re defending weis but you say tressel is a bad coach because he’s a douche?
by your logic weis is the worst coach in the history of the sport then.
weis is like a douchier jabba the hut.
November 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
wishful? i could care less where he goes or what ND does.
and if losing a game to USC made weis a god, imagine what that fanbase would treat urban as…some sort of super-god with 10 heads and a million arms that shoot thunderbolts and serve ice cream. he’d get like 4 lifetime contracts worth $40 mil per year if he beat michigan state by two scores.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
That sums it up for me.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
and if losing a game to USC made weis a god, imagine what that fanbase would treat urban as…some sort of super-god with 10 heads and a million arms that shoot thunderbolts and serve ice cream. he’d get like 4 lifetime contracts worth $40 mil per year if he beat michigan state by two scores.
Perhaps similar to the way the OSU fanbase treats Tressel, or any other coach that consistently wins games in the Big 10.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
NC count:
tressel – 1
weis – 0
end of argument.
eagles…are you a big ND fan?
November 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Tressel did win a MNC
November 11th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Super Bowl count:
Weis-4
Tressel-0
NC Count:
Weis-0
Tressel-1*
Carr-1
Mack Brown-1
November 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
tressel gets an asterisk because he was the beneficiary of a CORRECT flag which was just late while weis gets off despite being a part of spygate and you put carr up there even though he SPLIT his NC?
there’s no point in arguing with you anymore…you’re irrational.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Carr – 1/2
Your argument is lame as shit if the best you can do is boast Weis being a part of another head coach’s super bowl wins. Also Tressel won 3 at Youngstown.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Right, Weis deserves no credit for those super bowl victories. A split of the NC is the same as a championship, just ask USC. Didn’t know the history of Tressel, he can have 4* championships.
Spence, don’t need to talk about it too much, but the flag wasn’t just late, it was unwarranted. It could be considered one of the worst calls ever because of the rammifications, and I am not the only one that feels this way. TBL seems to bring it up sparingly around here.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
If Tressel is counting Youngstown championships, then I get 4 championships for my part in little league championships.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Odd, I don’t seem to remember Weis being the head coach of a Super Bowl team. Oh thats right, he was a coordinator, and the NE offense is better now that he’s gone.
Face it, Charlie is an overrated piece of shit. Tom Brady and Bellicheat made him look smarter than he ever was (same with Romeo). ND is simply learning the hard way, you hire a cheater, you get ripped off.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
it was warranted, glen sharpe interfered…they had to make that call.
and frankly, it doesn’t matter how anyone feels regarding if it’s “right or wrong…” evidence shows that it was right.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I am pretty sure that Tom Brady would disagree with you Coop, especially considering that he often calls Weis for advice. I didn’t realize that we weren’t calling cooridnators coaches anymore. I guess you really showed me, Weis had nothing to do with those championships. By your standard, the QB “coach” is a better “coach” than Weis would ever be. Me, and anyone else that knows anything about sports had it completely wrong.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
2 things come to mind when I see a thread on Charlie:
1. Cheeseburgers
2. DECIDED schematic advantage
/never gets old
//i’m hungry
November 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
die_eagles_die – My bad he had 4 at Youngstown. Five total as a head coach. Split national championships aren’t the same as a consensus otherwise they wouldn’t be marked as such. Winning a Championship as an assistant is not the same as the head coach, just like winning as a bench warmer isn’t the same as winning one as the starter. Weis is overrated everything except defeating gastric bypass surgery.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
If i had a dollar for every time someone brought up that Glen Sharpe play, I would be fucking loaded.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Winning a Championship as an assistant is not the same as the head coach, just like winning as a bench warmer isn’t the same as winning one as the starter
geez, this guy is smart. Brilliant
November 11th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
@ Spence on the sharp play
1.) The lineman tipped the ball check 1 min on your video.
2.) There was holding at the line on OSU that (rightfully) wasn’t called.
3.) A player can “jam” the receiver in the first 5 yards thus negating the “holding” arguement.
The call was BS. You have your championship, just admit the crappy call to win the game.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
another dollar
November 11th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Blow it out your ass irishmafia. I am trying to explain that die_eagles_die.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
i will…if you admit that weis is a fucking gawd-awful COLLEGE coach.
irish…i owe you a dollar.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I could care less about Weis’ ability as a college coach. Clearly he hasn’t done well the past few seasons, but he has had some success, and I think will be successful in the future.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
then why were we having this argument?
November 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
It doesn’t seem that way, youre telling us all how great he is, despite quite a bit of evidence to the contrary. He showed up telling everyone how smart he was and how his offenses couldn’t be stopped, blah blah blah, then fielded possibly the worst offense in history last year, and it has improved only marginally a year later.
His greatest success came when it is now known he cheated, and knowing which play the defense is going to run makes it a little easier to call plays and look like a genius.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I think he said Notre Dame was going to be “Nasty” implying they would be tough, play hard and intimidate the opposition. Maybe he meant to say “Pussified”.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
That wasn’t the last play of the game Miami still had a shot and they lost. as mentioned yesterday the officiating was terrible all game…didn’t the red who threw it come out and explain why he threw it late? Would love to find that article…
November 11th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Oh, so NOW Charlie Weiss gets 5 star talent and “coaches them up” to become complete bullshit… this is a new thing apparently.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Weiss = NFL OC (take proven talent and give them great schemes)
Weiss does not equal college HC (take high school kids and coach them into great football players and men)
There is a HUGE difference there.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
@ mmonast…the arguement isn’t that it was late. Who cares when he threw it? It was just the wrong call.
@ everyone else…I admitted that Weis has had success in the NCAA. He clearly has had success in the NFL. I am not the only person in the world that thinks he is a good coach. Now after a couple of season’s everyone wants him gone. It takes years to build a program, and ND was highly criticized for jumping the gun in the past. All I am saying is give the guy a chance. There are plenty of other coaches in the NCAA that have had chances.
Also, I don’t recall saying…”He showed up telling everyone how smart he was and how his offenses couldn’t be stopped, blah blah blah, then fielded possibly the worst offense in history last year, and it has improved only marginally a year later.”
November 11th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
@ Mags, I think Brady Quinn would argue that Weis made him into the QB he is today. Taking what was there, and making it better. Weis def has ability. Anyone that thinks otherwise is foolish.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I hope Charlie Tuna stays at ND until his contract runs out. The worthless bag of crap hasn’t developed one player the entire time he has been in South Bend and I think it is great! I will never understand why the fanbase makes so many excuses for this arrogant fool, but I sure hope they continue to do so.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
well it still didnt win/lose the game for anyone
November 11th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Won a BCS Championship at LSU that was 50-52 the previous 8 years when I showed up
Alabama was 67-55 the previous 10 years before I showed up and I have them #1 in the BCS
/Saban
November 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
mmonast it didn’t? Had the false flag not been thrown, Miami would have won the game. So it directly did result in them not winning. Yes they could have stopped the Buckeyes from the 1 yard line 4 times, but that is really asking a lot, especially with Clarett back there. It’s not like they were playing the 49ers.
November 11th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I took my team to back to back BCS bowl games after a tremendous lack of success.
/Weis
November 11th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
no it didnt lose it, its your opinion that the flag was incorrect refs on the field ruled PI ohio state scored to tie the game…miami and ostate both had another possession, ohio state scored again miami didnt
miami had another shot on both sides of the ball 1) defense didnt stop ohio state on next possession and 2) their offense couldnt score again
game over…its time that U fand and ohio state haters get over that one play it didnt hand the game to ohio state
November 11th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
how about miami not beaing able to score on a 1st and goal from the 2 yard line in 2nd ot
November 11th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
didn’t ty take them to a BCS bowl in his first year?
November 11th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
read
November 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
November 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
wow
November 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
every college football post gets turned into Ohio State fuck fest. never fails
November 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
sorry irish, just get real irritated when someone brings up that play
November 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Ohio state stole that title against Miami.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
So referees think it was a good call. That is a shock. If it was PI, then it can’t occur why the QB still has the ball. If it was defensive holding, the defender is allowed to “jam” the receiver within 5 yards. If they wanted to call every penalty, they could have called offensive PI/holding as well. Also, there was holding at the line. A player tipped the ball at the line, so it couldn’t have in PI. Lastly, although not a rule, it should be followed, a judgement call like that should not decide a game, let alone a championship.
Since you took the time to reference the article, “The Top 10 Worst Calls of the BCS Era.” Clearly, I am not the only person with my line of thinking.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
no need to apologize to me mmonasty. that argument happens all the time on here with Ohio State fans
November 11th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
still everything you just said doesnt negate the point that miami had 2 chances to win the game after that and didnt…you are carrying on like that play won the game for ohio state when it didnt
and ohio state haters/ UM fans dont..another shock
refs called 1 way and half of people hated it half didnt, but after that play miami could have stopped ohio state on the goal line, stoppend them on their next possession and scored on their possession and did none of the 3
November 11th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Had the call been made correctly, Miami would have been national champions. That directly determined the winner. Yes I agree they lost it from there, but they had to be drained from having the title literally ripped from them.
Not a UM fan, just a fan, and I cas see that it was a terrible call. It just frustrates me that OSU gets a championship handed to them. When people criticize OSU for being overrated lately, OSU supporters bring up the NC, and in my opinion it should have an *.
I think it was a bad way to end a championship, and I think it was a bad call. Unless people love OSU, I think most agree with me.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
except for those who know the rules and choose to use them.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Clearly you don’t know the rules. We have been over why the right call wasn’t made. Saying that it was holding anyway doesn’t justify why PI was the right call.
November 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
so you are saying that there was a penality but just the wrong one called?
November 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
no but the people who were paid to interpret them know em and they agree with me.
anyways, im an OSU fanboy, of course i think it was the right call.
November 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Miami would have won that game 96 times out a hundred. If you can’t see that then you are a fool.
Weis SUUUUUUCKS! Keep defending him, I hope he stays there forever (something you never want to hear from a rival fan).
November 11th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
I don’t think there was any penalty, or any penalty severe enough worth calling. Those on here have argued that defensive holding might have been the right call, but that wasn’t called. Bottom line is, PI was called on the field, and that is the wrong call.
November 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
ND has been invited to join the Big Ten several times, over the decades.