Spending To Mask Mistakes: The Cashman Way
Baseball December 11th. 2008, 4:45pm
The New York Yankees watched the Boston Red Sox, infused with homegrown talent, win the 2007 World Series. Flush with envy and principle last winter, Yankees GM Brian Cashman pledged to develop the Yankees’ prospects. New York kept Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy rather than trading for Johan Santana. Consequently, Minnesota accepted the Mets’ offer and Santana signed up for six years in plush Long Island.
Expected to be rotation fixtures, Hughes and Kennedy faltered terribly in 2008, failing to win a game. The Yankees, without Santana, missed the playoffs. Faced with the unfathomable, the Yankees have overreacted in the manner of their fictional former employee, George Costanza, to return to October.
The Yankees breathed down CC Sabathia’s neck like an engorged cougar, finally enticing him with a stupefying seven-year $161 million contract (none deferred) including both a no-trade clause and an opt-out clause after three years. They kicked down his door, begged and pleaded to pay him nearly $40 million more than Johan Santana received in practical money (accounting for deferrals) and $61 million more than the one other credible offer.
Santana trumps Sabathia in adjusted ERA+ (144-121), WHIP (1.102-1.244), K/9IP (9.26-7.56), and K-BB ratio (3.72-1 vs. 2.66-1). Santana’s also at a determined weight, he did not pitch 500 innings the past two years and he did not collapse horrifically the past two post-seasons. The Yankees paid more than Santana money for Sabathia, and, at best, they are getting his younger less cute sister with a penchant for pie.
New York flexed their hubris. They got their name, their headline and their opening day starter. The Yankees will probably throw in A.J. Burnett for a five-year $80 million deal as well. Committing a combined $231 million, they may get two starters with an ERA under 4 and a rotation as good as the Red Sox and Rays.
It’s easy to criticize, but perhaps we should credit Brian Cashman. He did, after all, teach A-Rod a lesson last year, only overbidding every other team by $100 million. He also has shown an astute eye for pitching the past few seasons, bringing in Javier Vazquez ($45m), Kevin Brown ($31.5m), Jose Contreras ($21m), Randy Johnson ($31m), Carl Pavano ($39.95m), Jaret Wright ($21m), Roger Clemens ($18.5m) and Kei Igawa ($46m).
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December 11th, 2008 at 4:55 PM
How did that Schilling deal last year work out for the great Theo Epstein?
December 11th, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Kevin Brown-George’s choice, Javier Vazquez-George’s choice, Randy Johnson-Definitely George’s choice, Jose Contreras-Geroge’s choice.
Glad we had a Boston Red Sox fan write this post.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:56 PM
CC Sabathia>Kei Igawa.
Sure they paid over Santana money for him, but Santana wasn’t available. CC is the best pitcher to hit the open market in as long as I can remember.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:56 PM
This post gave me butterflies.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:58 PM
lets just forget that $50 million posting fee the Sox paid just to negotiate with a pitcher. Look, Theo has been thrifty with his aging vets, but isn’t afraid to pony-up to young talent.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:59 PM
They ended up making the ALCS. Did they broadcast that in the homes of Yankee fans?
December 11th, 2008 at 4:59 PM
This is an awesome quote
December 11th, 2008 at 5:00 PM
The smugness-factor of these posts is off the charts. And, yet, I can’t stop reading them.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:00 PM
You guys are right; the Yankees suck.
/good talk
/pats you all on the butt
December 11th, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Didn’t get around to reading the comment I had for you yesterday, ty?
You’re not paying for history. You’re paying for the future.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:00 PM
what the yankees overpaid for a player!?!?! no way!
December 11th, 2008 at 5:01 PM
you really can’t blame cashman…most of the past 8 years have been on crazy old man george, i wish most of america realized that the parallels between al davis and george steinbrenner are unbelievable
/pissed off yankee fan
December 11th, 2008 at 5:01 PM
So TBL, when can we expect our “Tony Romo and T.O. hate each other” post?
December 11th, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Shea Stadium is on Long Island? Everytime I go it’s been in Flushing, Queens. Must have been at the wrong place.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:02 PM
I’d still take Santana in a heartbeat.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Dice-K and Josh Beckett are prime examples of homegrown.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Wah, wah. Pussies.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Of course people would prefer Santana, but he isn’t available. The Yankees are significantly better than they were last year, and have a big 3 of their own now.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:04 PM
False. I’m pretty sure they canceled the playoffs.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:05 PM
bsanders, try to keep up here. we are talking about the other hated team in sports…
December 11th, 2008 at 5:05 PM
The Yankees are misunderstood. The cost of living in New York is higher than anywhere else, so the contracts are actually equal value.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:06 PM
At least Cashman knows how to draft position players:
From 1997 to 2005, the Yankees drafted and developed just 10 position players. In the table below, players are sorted by major league at-bats (through Sept. 9).
Player Draft year Draft round ABs
Andy Phillips 1998 3 544
Shelley Duncan 2001 2 131
Brett Gardner 2005 3 77
Kevin Thompson 1999 31 65
John-Ford Griffin 2001 1 23
Mike Vento 1997 40 20
Andy Cannizaro 2001 7 9
Drew Henson 1998 3 9
Bronson Sardinha 2001 1 9
Omir Santos 2001 21 1
December 11th, 2008 at 5:06 PM
are Red Sox fans already back to counting ALCS appearances?
December 11th, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Look, the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all suck.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:08 PM
sparty
- I know, I just feel the Cowboys hate is more “in season.” The MLB hot stove is like dry humping. It’s overrated, always leaves you wanting more and likely ends with you sporting giant, swollen balls.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:08 PM
i wish the cubs would trade for peavy. and then they should trade derek ” did i just hit into another double play?” lee for some prospects and sign mark texiera. and to top it all off they should take soriano into a room and demand he move lower in the lineup and if he refuses either release him or trade him. i dont care if they get practically no one in return which would be the case because he is actually like 32 and is waaaaaaay overpaid. and dont get me started on aramis ramirez.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Oh, and he was unable to sign his first and 2nd round draft picks this year.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:10 PM
It’s true, people love roasting Cashman, but a large majority of their disastrous acquisitions came after they lost to the D-Backs and George started calling for specific guys. Trainwreck.
On the bright side of failure, nothing beats the deflated Napoleon Dynamite expression on Kei IrabuGawa’s face.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:11 PM
why have a GM if the owner’s going to make the calls?
cashman’s a fucking joke. should have gotten johan last year.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:12 PM
What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for?
/Frank Costanza’d
December 11th, 2008 at 5:13 PM
bigger picture: You could have dealt two guys who had terrible seasons in 08, and who you seemingly are not nearly as high on now, for the BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL.
but no. cashman had to fuck it up and overpay for a guy who doesn’t want to play in NY. it’s not so much about overpaying … i really dont think adding CC makes the yankees the favorite in the AL East. this is a good get, obvs, but the fact you could have had JOhan last year, for much less, it frustrating.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Umm let’s see — Would you rather have Johan Santana in exchange for Phil Hughes and $22.9 million per year or C.C. Sabathia for $23 million dollars a year?
December 11th, 2008 at 5:14 PM
The best thing that ever happened to them was George being suspended. Gave Gene Michael time to actually build from within.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:14 PM
I read your comment. The past actually happened. The future is only things that are likely to happen. Regardless of what the statistical projections are, Santana has been a much better pitcher than Sabathia.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:16 PM
TBL-so the Yanks pay a lil bit more for Sabathia, and get to keep Hughes. The kid is only 22 when the season starts, relax.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Conoce a los Mets, Conoce a los Mets, derecho de paso y saludar a los Mets.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Please, the Yankees are extremely deep in minor league pitching and could risk a high pick on a pitcher that may or may not sign but had huge upside. They get a compensation pick this year anyway.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:18 PM
One-year $8 million with incentives for a guy who, even at a decrepit shell of his former self was still a 120 OPS+ guy and insane in the postseason was worth the risk.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Ber-nie Will-iams!!! Ber-nie Will-iams!!!
December 11th, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Conoce a los Mets, cumplir los Mets, Jefe para el parque y saludar a los Mets.
Perros calientes, la hierba verde a cabo en todos los Shea,
Han garantizado a un diablos de un dÃa.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:20 PM
The FIP for Santana last 4 years: 3.35, 3.42, 3.55, 3.83 (trending in the wrong direction)
CC: 3.88, 3.85, 3.63, (3.51 clev/3.01 milwaukee)
Who do you want next year, again? Why did you not mention HR/9?
December 11th, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Didn’t Johan have low win totals because the bullpen kept fucking up his starts? If he can’t finish in the weak-ass NL, what would he have done in the AL bEast?
December 11th, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Relying on the past is a terrible business model.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:23 PM
As a Cowboys fan TBL you should know the answer is to make them one and the same.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:25 PM
The Yankees made a bad choice. Hmmm…that’s odd. That rarely happens.
/sarcasm
Fact is the Yankees have the clout to make moves like this. In the end, if CC ends up eating Lower Manhattan, they won’t care. They’ll go out and sign Brandon Webb for $200 mil and $150 mil for Tim Lincecum and go right back at it.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Also, where is the Red Sox bias in there?
December 11th, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Brandon Webb would be downright worthless in NY. He’s a groundball pitcher and their defense is awful.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:34 PM
The Yankees gave up much less by just giving up money for CC. For Johan they would have paid just as much if they were lucky enough to even entice him to want to stay. Now they Yankees have Hughes, Kennedy, and CC. We will see if the first two do anything, but if they don’t amount to much, oh well, it is only money, and it isn’t my money. We aren’t talking about the Marlins here where a bad financial move would cripple the team. The Yankees could make this, and a hundred more mistakes.
@ Hef, you are joking right? Wang is the poor man’s Webb, and he seems to do alright. Please don’t pretend to know about baseball if you actually believe your previous comment.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:35 PM
One-year $8 million with incentives for a guy who, even at a decrepit shell of his former self was still a 120 OPS+ guy and insane in the postseason was worth the risk.
The lack of consistent logic here is astounding. How can you in the same breath say that signing Schilling wasn’t a mistake, but opting for the Hughes/Sabathia package over Santana was? Either we can use hindsight or we can’t. If we are using hindsight, clearly signing Schilling was a mistake. If we aren’t then I find it very hard to believe that you honestly think Sabathia + a top 3 in all of basbeall pitching prospect isn’t better than Santana alone.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:42 PM
Mike Lowell (2007 WS MVP) was homegrown talent alright, for the Yankees when they drafted him. Has Boston been absurdly better at developing players than the Yankees this decade? Without a doubt. Lets not act like they’re the fucking Rays or Pirates out there though, they got a large part of that WS team from big money deals and smart trades.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:56 PM
The funny thing is that the most similar thing about the Yanks and Red Sox in 2007 is their use of the farm system. The Red Sox were no more “infused with homegrown talent” than the 2007 Yankees. For every Padroia, Ellsbury, Lester and Papelbon there is a Cano, Cabrera, Wang, and Chamberlain playing virtually identical roles. The Red Sox players were actually better and thus they won, but can we stop pretending that they were superior in theory? The Red Sox play the exact same game as the Yanks do, they just won a couple of rounds.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:59 PM
Wang was drafted by the Yanks huh? Good to know.
Theo > Cashman, although I do think Cashman is underrated.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Fetch- he wasn’t drafted, but he wasn’t a hot sought after talent out of Taiwan. That was a great, cheap signing by Cashman.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Did someone compare cano and cabrera to Pedroia and Ellsbury? And then Lester and Papelbon to Wang and Chamberlain? Umm….the 4 Red Sox you listed are way better than the 4 Yankees. You’re going to have to work on that analogy a bit
December 11th, 2008 at 6:11 PM
That isn’t even including Youkilis. Who was the last player the Yankees developed that is in his class? Jeter?
December 11th, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Did someone compare cano and cabrera to Pedroia and Ellsbury? And then Lester and Papelbon to Wang and Chamberlain? Umm….the 4 Red Sox you listed are way better than the 4 Yankees. You’re going to have to work on that analogy a bit
Thats the frickin point. Thants why they won. Becasue they wre better. Not because they were willing or trying to do anything different. The problem I have with these posts is that they insinuate in some wasy that the Sox had some sort of superior strategy or theat they overcame some significant disadvantages. They didn’t. They just executed better this time around.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:16 PM
I think Wang is better than Lester. But yeah the rest are pretty lopsided.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Lester’s better at running the bases.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:18 PM
Wow…got fired up and made more typos than normal.
Thats the frickin point. Thats why they won. Because they were better. Not because they were willing or trying to do anything different. The problem I have with these posts is that they insinuate in some way that the Sox had some sort of superior strategy or that they overcame some significant disadvantages. They didn’t. They just executed better this time around.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:18 PM
HOW DARE YOU SIR THAT IS A CANCER SURVIVOR!
December 11th, 2008 at 6:20 PM
You misspelled “frickin.” It’s f-u-c-k-i-n-g. Good lookin out.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Hef, how can you criticize other’s opinions, you were the one that said Wang would not survive in NY.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:36 PM
but the Red Sox bang dudes.
/Hef’d
December 11th, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Lester is better than Wang, that’s maybe the worst thing NickP has typed ever. Except for all his “jokes”
December 11th, 2008 at 6:39 PM
When did I say that Wang wouldn’t survive in NY? And the only opinion I criticized was agreed to by the person who said it. What is going on?
December 11th, 2008 at 6:40 PM
@fetch: Wrong, dude.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:42 PM
they are getting his younger less cute sister with a penchant for pie.
How did Nick Mangold’s sister get dragged into this argument?
/BIIIIGGGG little sister’d
http://www.holleymangold.net/
December 11th, 2008 at 6:42 PM
Rex, file this one away so I can gloat in 5 years.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:43 PM
Wang has 3 straight years of sub-4 FIP.
Lester has one, and it was fluke aided. 3.72 FIP but xFIP was actually 4.19.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:44 PM
I like to base everything on one stat, too. I mean, not really, but sure.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:45 PM
FIP combines his K/BB, HR/9, and K/9, but yeah. It’s one stat.
December 11th, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Lester’s also had one season where he was a full time starter. No cherry pick there.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:14 PM
@ Hef…You said Webb wouldn’t survive in NY cause he is a sinker ball pitcher. Wang is a sinkerballer, and is doing pretty well for himself. So your logic is off.
December 11th, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Sigh…
I was exaggerating. Let me try again. Webb’s numbers would look worse in NY with Derek Jeter and Robinson Cano behind him just as Wang’s would look better (giggle) if he had Stephen Drew and Orlando Hudson backing him up.
/we done here?
December 11th, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Hefm are you saying Derek Jeter can’t go left?
Derek Jeter = Derek Zoolander?
December 11th, 2008 at 7:49 PM
m=,
December 11th, 2008 at 7:52 PM
Or right, sparty.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Wang > Lester, Joba > Papelbon, I want to see Pedroia’s year this year before i call him better than Cano and Gardner = Ellsbury
thanks.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:02 PM
now wait a minute, i saw him swallow up plenty of infield hits to his right.
/yankee fan not in denial about Jeter’s horrid defense.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:07 PM
dear Lord, bceagles. I think it is a little early for us to declare Joba > Papelboner. I agree with you about Wang > Lester. Pedroia just won the MVP and Cano has yet to be a consistent, more patient hitter. Gardner might be = Ellsbury, but again, way premature. But i appreciate your confidence in our boys.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:11 PM
Cano’s second full year in 2006 (.342/.365/.525) was better than Pedroia’s “MVP” year last year (.326/.376/.493) — Pedroia only won the MVP because no one else put together a decent season. That was my point when I said I want to see another year out of Pedroia before I make a decision, Cano was just as good in his first two years if not better than the “gritty” Pedroia.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:21 PM
hey, I agree that Cano has great talent and could be a great hitter. but his OPS has dipped each of the last 2 years. He needs to learn to be more patient and have better pitch selection. That is something that Pedroia has done his first two full seasons in the league. and Cano’s defenses lapses have to stop.
December 11th, 2008 at 8:22 PM
defenses=defensive.
/fuck