Comments on: You Know Things Are Bad When the Notre Dame Fans Are Clowning Your New QB

By: Paolo4007

Paolo4007 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:08:26 +0000

Spencer I think you are missing the key point and until you can prove otherwise with an example since 1998 of a good quarterback without a Super Bowl under their belt, we have to agree to disagree on this one. No Super Bowls since Elway 1998 = No HOF. I agree with you that winning a Super Bowl does not a good quarterback make, but not winning one in this age does not make a good quarterback either. Want to make an argument for Steve McNair who was only one yard away? Good luck. I’ll take Roethlisberger over him any day as well as Phil Simms and Terry Bradshaw and so would many. We’ll take the Super Bowl wins and you can cry about your superior stats. Simms’ window for the HOF is closed or closing at best, and that is a real injustice. Roethlisberger has mediocre stats but is a winner. Tom Brady has non-stellar stats before his record TD pass season, and so did Joe Montana, but they were winners and there is no argument on Brady any more after 3 Super Bowl wins. You can count your yards or TDs whatever for a quarterback, but I’ll count the Super Bowl wins in this age since 1998 until we see another Marino or Kelly or Tarkenton (Pat White? A come back from Vick?). What’s the object of the game for a QB, the leader of the offense? And you resorted to hypotheticals on Favre and Manning because you could not get real with a single example for my question, so you proved my point thanks.

By: spencer096

spencer096 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:54:40 +0000

paolo…you’re missing the point entirely.

a super bowl is not a QB achievement. having a super bowl doesn’t mean you’re a good QB…joe namath wasn’t a good QB, trent dilfer wasn’t a good QB, ben roethlisberger isn’t a good QB. phil simms isn’t out because he wasn’t good enough to get in. terry bradshaw is in the HoF, but he wasn’t that good at all.

a super bowl is a team achievement. a team’s record isn’t an indicator of how good a QB is, it’s an indicator of how good a TEAM is.

Test for you â€” name ONE quarterback since John Elway 1998 whom you think would be nominated for the Hall of Fame who is without a super bowl victory under their belt?

are you asking who i’d think would get in if they didn’t have a ring? if peyton or favre didn’t have rings, they’d both still get in.

By: Paolo4007

Paolo4007 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:49:28 +0000

Spencer, though no required, it’s that much harder to get into the HOF without a Super Bowl under your belt. And consider the miserable overall career of Joe Namath who is in whilst Phil Simms, with one plus one in which he was injured the rest of the season, is not in. Test for you — name ONE quarterback since John Elway 1998 whom you think would be nominated for the Hall of Fame who is without a super bowl victory under their belt? Exactly, and there are a few with a super bowl with otherwise mediocre careers who won’t be either in mind you. Warren Moon was the last whom I remember to get in without a Super Bowl whom some have howled about, but he deserved it though he was not as solid as Kelly or Marino.

By: thecassino

thecassino — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:21:19 +0000

Wooops wrong post

By: thecassino

thecassino — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:20:52 +0000

USC, Washington, Arizona State, UCLA

By: Mike NYC

Mike NYC — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:08:36 +0000

Thanks, JPQ.

I’m pretty excited to read that thread.

By: spencer096

spencer096 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:06:53 +0000

Arm size and strength is a plus for a quarterback yet the record shows it is severely overrated. John Elway and Brett Favre messed up public perception in the 1990s with 3 Super Bowl wins between them after Dan Marino and Jim Kelly with zero.

what do super bowls have to do with how good an individual QB is?

/rehashing the earlier argument

By: Paolo4007

Paolo4007 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:02:26 +0000

Arm size and strength is a plus for a quarterback yet the record shows it is severely overrated. John Elway and Brett Favre messed up public perception in the 1990s with 3 Super Bowl wins between them after Dan Marino and Jim Kelly with zero. Kyle Boller for example probably has the strongest arm in being able to throw from midfield through the goal posts on his KNEES, but what has he done? Duffy, 1994 was my senior year at ND and you are right no quality bowl wins or solid teams all season since then for that matter with only a few solid victories here and there and way too many games lost that should have been won even at home. The jury is out now on Pat White with about the same build at that age, but unlike for other predominantly rushing quarterbacks out of college, I am optimistic.

By: TheSportsHernia

TheSportsHernia — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:47:07 +0000

Wake me up when Notre Dame is relevant.

It’ll be this year. They’ll lose two games, tops.

Jimmy.

By: spencer096

spencer096 — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:39:14 +0000

and when was the size of the kids arm determine if they are good qb’s or bot.
Ken Dorsey and Steve Walsh did pretty well.

im pretty sure being surrounded by like 20 future first rounders determined if dorsey was going to be successful. which, of course he was.