A Defensive-Minded Final Four … And UNC
College Basketball March 30th. 2009, 10:15amMichigan State has the homecourt advantage over Connecticut, but is also a four-point underdog. Villanova has just slayed UCLA, Duke and Pittsburgh – three teams that spent a large portion of the season in the Top 10 – and comes in as 7.5 point underdogs to mighty UNC.
We’ll kick around storylines and thoughts throughout the week, but we’ll open with …
* Should Calhoun put Adrien to Suton? If Thabeet has to defend him at the 3-point line, there’s no final line of defense for Lucas. How ridiculous did Suton destroy prized freshman Samardo Samuels? Suton: 19 points, 10 rebounds; Samuels 0 points, 4 turnovers. Put Thabeet on Roe, who is a non-factor offensively. This doesn’t seem like a possible move – this seems like the only move.
* MSU was only a decent 3-point shooting team this season (35 percent, middle-of-the-pack in the B10), but in two of its postseason wins, it shot 6-for-13 vs. USC, and 8-for-16 against Louisville. Is a zone worth trying? MSU only shot 3-for-21 in a Big 10 tourney loss to Ohio State.
* Kemba Walker vs. Kalin Lucas. Best individual matchup of the two games.
* DeJuan Blair: 20-10 and was dominant against Villanova. The Wildcats got in foul trouble trying to slow Blair and Sam Young (28 points). UNC has Hansbrough, Thompson, Davis and Zeller. And while Villanova usually has the backcourt advantage, it’s tough to give it the nod over Lawson-Ellington-Green. It’s early, but we can’t envision Villanova winning.
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March 30th, 2009 at 10:18 AM
villanova’s fun to watch. man, old school fundamentals rock: one missed free throw the second half against pitt. that was the win right there.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:21 AM
i HATE this homecourt advantage for MSU. blows, big-time.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:23 AM
You keep saying UNC plays no defense, but according to your boy Kenpom, they’re ranked pretty close to ‘Nova.
UConn/UNC would be epic.
Sorry, Sparty.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:25 AM
One of the weekend’s commentator’s likened this Nova team to the ‘97 Arizona team that caught fire and beat 3 #1 seeds to win the title. Though that Arizona had more star-power, the comparison made sense.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:29 AM
i HATE this homecourt advantage for MSU. blows, big-time.
It’s only happened two other times in 29 years (Purdue in 1980 -lost), (Duke in 1994 -lost). What can you do?
Actually surprised it doesn’t happen more often (also in the Super Bowl)
March 30th, 2009 at 10:32 AM
at the pace they play they are bound to give up more points than anyone else..tbl is still sour about UNC costing him money in the ACC tourney..
March 30th, 2009 at 10:32 AM
i think this being in detroit pretty much ensures a msu win(conspiracy theory’d) think about what the final four will do for the city of detroit. now think if half of the state is partying in detroit.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I’m pulling for the SPartans, but I wouldn’t shed a tear if it is Nova v Uconn in front of a 1/4 full Ford Field. I know the Final 4 will never go back to arenas, but get these other games out of domes. Most sites had the atmosphere of a hospital ER room.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Well at least the arena won’t be an empty, silent snoozer like the entire tourney so far. All this time I thought a collegiate playoff was the perfect answer to everything.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:36 AM
It’s only happened two other times in 29 years (Purdue in 1980 -lost), (Duke in 1994 -lost). What can you do?
‘88 KU Champs in Kemper Arena. 45 miles away from campus.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:37 AM
They lost at home to UNC by 35 and to Maryland by 18 (though Suton didn’t play).
They also lost at home to both Northwestern and Penn St so it’s not like they’re unstoppable at home or anything.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:37 AM
For the majority of the year, Carolina was allergic to defense. The occasional times they did play defense in the regular season, they were completely dominant. It looks like they have started to play D again in the tourney, which is a bad, bad sign for everyone else.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Sparty and UConn playing for team of the decade rights.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:38 AM
I dunno, the Philly and Greensboro sites were pretty money atmosphere wise. But that was probably due to having two big time in state teams playing.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:39 AM
nsr read the rest of it. i didnt say they are unstoppable at home.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:39 AM
@KC Res: Really? I was just going off the ESPN graphic they played this morning. I guess their fact-checkers are as lazy as my trusting them was
-lol
March 30th, 2009 at 10:44 AM
JPQ -
Yeah, we really won at Kemper. I have an old torn up tshirt to prove it. Wasn’t 100% sure of the context of your post, but apparently some PA at ESPN was asleep on the job.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:44 AM
64 teams in the tournament from all over the country there might be chance the final four will be played near a teams hometown…im sure if the cuse made it to the final four and it was held in new york city tbl wouldnt have a damn thing to say.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:45 AM
MSU is in the “team of the decade” discussion? am i that out of touch with college hoops?
March 30th, 2009 at 10:47 AM
Spencer, Sparty is living in his own little world right now. Leave him be.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:48 AM
And if either loses to UNC in the title game?
March 30th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
I had to go look…
1999-2000 32-7 13-3 Regular Season and Tournament NCAA Champion
2000-01 28-5 13-3 Regular Season NCAA Final Four
2001-02 19-12 10-6 NCAA 1st Round
2002-03 22-13 10-6 NCAA Elite Eight
2003-04 18-12 12-4 NCAA First Round
2004-05 26-7 13-3 NCAA Final Four
2005-06 22-12 8-8 NCAA First Round
2006-07 23-12 8-8 NCAA Second Round
2007-08 27-9 12-6 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2008-09 30-6 15-3 Regular Season NCAA Final Four
March 30th, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl anyone?
March 30th, 2009 at 10:51 AM
MSU is in the “team of the decade†discussion?
4 Final Fours in the past 10 years. Impressive
March 30th, 2009 at 10:53 AM
considering that if they won this year, they would be the only team that made the tourney every single year, went to four final fours and would have 2 titles. yeah, they are in the discussion.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:53 AM
I’d say UNC is the best remaining team with the worst remaining coach. Roy will somehow find a way to fuck this up for his boys.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:54 AM
in a world that uses facts.
mike- correct, UNC would be in the discussion as well.
March 30th, 2009 at 10:55 AM
@KC Res: I believed you about KU. I just regurgitated the incorrect ESPN shit (only teams to play in Final Four in their home state)
March 30th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
totally different team then and no, clearly
March 30th, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Doesn’t the decade start with 2000-01 and end with 2009-2010? Thus eliminating their title from discussion…
/Technicalled
March 30th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
It’s interesting to me that people are now just getting on the “MSU has been one of the best programs” bandwagon. Where have you guys been? Their team has ALWAYS been in the conversation, just because they actually play defense and play in a bruising conference with teams that would rather set picks than score points, doesn’t mean they’re not one of the preeminent programs.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
no, because the world celebrated 2000 as the millennium.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
this calipari stuff is a bit mind-blowing
March 30th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
I’m not so sure. They’ve had one good game this tourney and it took an ice-cold Louisville team for that to happen. And I think MSU’s success in the Final Four will largely be decided on how tightly the game is officiated.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Suton in the difference. Depending on what type of defense you play against them. Him hanging out on the Perimeter could fuck people up.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:03 AM
they need to stop having the regional finals in domes. UofPHX Stadium not only had good seats available, they had good sections available.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Unlike the MSU/Kansas game where they stopped calling fouls for a good 5 minutes.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I just regurgitated the incorrect ESPN shit (only teams to play in Final Four in their home state)
Then they were correct. Kemper is about 2 miles into Missouri.
they would be the only team that made the tourney every single year, Sparty
?
I’m following you on the rest. Do you mean from the Big 10?
March 30th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
i doubt you will see thabeet guard him. probably will be robinson, so thabeet can guard roe in the paint.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
this calipari stuff is a bit mind-blowing
What is your opinion on what is going on TBL?
March 30th, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Agreed. Is it a money thing? Or an ego thing? Right now he is getting the best players and winning all in a stress free environment.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I completely agree and I still don’t know why Pitino didn’t try to go man-to-man. I think UCONN has 4 guys that they can stick on him though. It’s a really good matchup though.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I think you’ll see Adrien on him and Robinson on Morgan.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:19 AM
maybe. but whichever way they go, it will not include Thabeet leaving the paint.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Yea. That was mind-blowing for me. Im trying not to think about it anymore.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I just realized that MSU over UNC in the final wins me one of my brackets for $500.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Sparty- I would like to apologize to you for my Michigan state hate. Every person on my mothers side of the family went there. That was just my bracket talking. Im liking what I’m seeing from Lucas and Sutton. I hope Morgan and summers can be as solid as they have been of late because they will need it against UCoNN those fuckers are good. Good luck.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:28 AM
It wouldn’t have mattered. Louisville’s offense was the problem, once the shots failed to fall, they couldn’t push their pace and get their press set up.
They didn’t go man earlier b/c the Spartans kill man defenses, their execution is some of the best out there under Izzo. The Spartans don’t really shoot the ball that well from the perimeter normally and Pitino rightfully was banking on that.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:29 AM
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Sparty- I would like to apologize to you for my Michigan state hate.
no worries, bo. it wouldn’t be as fun any other way.
/Fuck UConn
March 30th, 2009 at 11:54 AM
How much zone has UConn played this year? Anyone know? I haven’t seen them play zone at all so thats not an option. UConn has gotten a good draw in that none of the teams had a viable way to get Thabeet in foul trouble. I’m not sure MSU has a way either. Uconn has been destroying teams on the glass and if that continues on Saturday, it’s not going to matter if this game is played on the moon.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:56 AM
UConn plays zero zone. they have athletes that know how to play defense.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:18 PM
@the big lead:
I may have been way off on my no way to Cal leaves Memphis, I have someone with pretty good ties there, he called the Cousin thing well before everyone and I didn’t buy it then at the time.
He says the AD royaly f’d this up and they may lose him. I asked him to go into more detail about what the AD did but waiting to hear back.
There are reports out there that Kentucky offered 7 mil a year. My guess is Cal uses it as leverage and stays, but Cousins and Wall still haven’t signed so he could bring those two along without releases if he wanted to.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:35 PM
If it has to do with ego and/or money, guaranteed that Calipari’s slimy ass in the middle of it somewhere.
Cal is loving all the media coverage he is getting as a front-runner for the UK job. Doesn’t matter if he really wants it or not. He’ll make sure to blackmail FedEx University to keep him so that he gets all the money and none of the pressure at Kentucky.
Of course, if ego steps in, then he’ll accept UK’s offer (after he gouges them by another 25%) and head to Lexington. All the success he will have in the next 5 years will be erased off the books by 2018 after UK gets hit with NCAA violations, again.
March 30th, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Agreed. Defensive intensity was up last night. It wasn’t magic that OU shot so poorly. Looking like UConn/UNC which will be fun for all to see. Nova and MSU are hot though…
March 30th, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Agreed. Defensive intensity is up for the tourney so far. It wasn’t magic that OU shot so poorly. Looking like UConn/UNC which would be a hell of a game. Although, MSU and Nova are hot.
March 30th, 2009 at 1:01 PM
ugh
March 30th, 2009 at 3:10 PM
blair and young are a tad better than anyone unc has. and nova still outrebounded them