Lost: Who Sends Their Kid on a Suicide Mission?
Television April 30th. 2009, 9:00am
Wild stuff last night on lost.
* First issue we’re dealing with – when Hawking and Widmore were talking outside the hospital, she said something to the effect of, “I sent my son to the island knowing …” and then Widmore cut her off to reveal that Farraday was his kid, too. Was she going to say that she knew he’d die (detonating the bomb?), or that she knew she’d shoot him? Here’s one vote for the latter. But if she was crying in that piano scene because she knew she’d eventually kill him (or rather, already had), what made the island so valuable that it was worth sending her son on a suicide mission?
* Still unsure of why Daniel is trying to prevent the crash from happening. Is it all to prevent Charlotte from going back to the island? And because theories are fun: Daniel-Charlotte as Adam and Eve.
* Anyone else think that when Farraday was playing the piano and Eloise walked in, she looked a bit like the woman in the supermarket who was holding baby Aaron’s hand walking toward the exit?
* Sticking with the kids theme: Penny just left her son “with a nurse” while she went to see Desmond. With all the random shit surrounding these people – Ben shooting him, time travel, Desmond’s dreams, the random old woman approaching her in a hospital … why would she leave the kid behind?
* The list of special kids: Locke, Farraday, Walt, Miles. One has died, another died and was reborn on the island, and the other is basically off the show. Miles is totally a goner.
* If Jack and Kate and company are able to detonate the bomb … will the last scene of the final episode be the original flight from the series opener landing at LAX?
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April 30th, 2009 at 9:06 AM
I watched the episode drunk at like 230 this morning so I should probably watch it again.
Definitely. He was losing it when he was talking to Charlotte. He didn’t tell her she was going to die on the island though. Does that mean he is going to live a bit longer?
April 30th, 2009 at 9:06 AM
I was thinking that, but seeing as how we have a full season left of this show, I dont think this is how it ends. Next week Kate and Jack are going to try to get that bomb to go off, so they cant really be successful, or else the show will be over. I’m thinking that even though Farraday thought in this episode that maybe you can change things, I think he realized at the end that everything was still happening the way it always happened. He always got shot by his mom, and he always talks to young Charlotte. Nothing changes.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:07 AM
Eloise knew she would shoot and kill her son, but was trapped within her own theory of time travel that nothing can be done to prevent the past from occuring. however, it shows how poorly she thought it out and how lost she was to the island that she could have just easily not sent him back, preventing his death.
at this point i’d be mighty disappointed if the show didn’t end as they set it up last night.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:08 AM
this fucking show is still on? jesus tapdancing christ…get a fucking garmin.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:11 AM
But Charlotte has already gone back to the island. The plane already crashed and they all lived through it. Now they’re claiming that Farraday can just “erase” their past like nothing happened? I hate to say it because it’s one of my favorite shows ever, but LOST has seriously become too “smart” for its own good this season with all the time travel bullshit. I’m still going to watch until the end but at this point it feels like little more than self-parody.
It was a good run.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:11 AM
Interesting episode. For whatever reason though, I’m just not as into this show as I used to be. It’s so far removed from what it was the first couple of years, it’s a totally different show.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:15 AM
why would she leave the kid behind?
Because you can’t take babies into ICU.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Go away spencer.
Good question. Eloise knows about the island’s powers and mysticism. She knew it would heal Daniel’s mind since he was apparently losing it (literally). But I think she used that as a ploy to send him there.
I’d say motivation number one is Charlotte. But what did Daniel learn in those three years at Ann Arbor? Variables, obviously. But there had to be some deeper meaning to his 3-year furlough. Maybe he saw how bad it could get? Maybe he saw a lot of the island’s history – Black Rock, Egyptian stuff, etc. Knowing this, the good guy inside maybe just wanted to make it all better.
That seems to be the logical explanation. But if we can already figure out the ending to the sixth season when we’re only near the end of the fifth season, then I think it’s too logical. This show has thrown us twists and turns since its inception. I would expect nothing less in the final season and series finale.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:20 AM
I’m still into it and it’s still my favorite TV show (not saying much), but you’re right. It’s so fucking convoluted now that I’ve given up on trying to figure everything out and I’m just enjoying the ride. The first couple seasons I couldn’t sleep after watching a Lost episode, now I’m just like “huh?” and then I’m done with it.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:22 AM
After this long, there is no way it can come down to just preventing Charlotte from going back. That would be incredibily weak. Everyone is too caught up in looking for a singular reason, but it’s more than just the prototype of everyother show on tv – boy meets girl.
Please god let it be!!
April 30th, 2009 at 9:22 AM
I see what some of you are saying about not being into it as much as you used to be as it’s different from the early season (basically 1-3). It reflects in the ratings.
For me, to see the Dharma Initiative in action puts some perspective onto Seasons 1-3 in which the losties are slowly discovering the previous inhabitants and their reason for being there.
I think the writers have always set this show up as such.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:22 AM
we know that the next three episodes will take place over a 4 hour period, roughly, so who knows what kind of timeline next season will cover. it could be a 24 hour period or an entire year.
i forgot the season finale, or the episode before it, is titled “the incident” so i’ve got a feeling they may not get to pull it off…
i did hear a rumor that jin and sun will meet again before the end of the season though.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:29 AM
I’m thinking that this isn’t the last you’ll see of Faraday. In the long run, I think he’ll figure a way to travel in time to help save the day, hook up with the current time Charlotte, get revenge on Mother Dearest, etc…
April 30th, 2009 at 9:36 AM
“They’re” not claiming anything. That was just Faraday’s theory. Doesn’t mean he was right. If anything, the episode showed that you can’t erase the past since in the end, he wasn’t able to do what he was trying to do.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:41 AM
Exactly
April 30th, 2009 at 9:42 AM
the only thing that bothered me about the chain of events was that no one suggested they might have a better chance of succeeding if they didn’t barge into the Others camp with guns drawn and shooting.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:48 AM
There was a couple scenes with Kate in them last night, but I was really happy, because she didn’t say much. They should do that more often.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:54 AM
I’ve long thought that Faraday was “an unreliable narrator” and his theories were not correct. I do think it’s odd to reveal he’s Widmore’s son and then kill him. What’s to say the island doesn’t heal him?
Not impuning anyone here, but I think people from outside the “nerd bubble” are likely the ones who don’t cotton to the time travel wackiness. Those of us that have been reading comics and Sci Fi novels and watching DR Who for decades see all the stuff on this show as “not all that complicated.”
April 30th, 2009 at 9:55 AM
I thought last nights episode was great. one of the best in awhile
April 30th, 2009 at 9:55 AM
As a friend pointed out to me a few minutes ago, did anyone else expect Juliet to be leading them into a trap and giving them the wrong code to teh fence?
April 30th, 2009 at 9:55 AM
What I really want is Richard Alpert backstory.. but we’re probably not getting that until next season.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Daniel seemed to know what he was doing (i.e. when he was talking to Dr. Chang, he looked wacky, but then very calmly said to Miles…”I need to make sure he does what he needs to do.”) So maybe he knew he was going to get shot. Not sure why he died, but there has to be a purpose to it. As someone state earlier, maybe Dan knows a lot more about time travel, and has a plan to change things, or at least wrote it in his notebook. Then, maybe on the losties, do they want to change everything (variable), or keep it the same (constant)?
Also, did anyone catch the Widmore/Ellie convo outside the hospital. Widmore asked if Desmond was alright, and when Ellie informed him that he was, Widmore said that is good. From the past, Widmore has appeared to hate Desmond, but this seems like more evidence that he is pushing him toward his destiny (planting the seed to sail around the world, sending him to LA to see Ellie). Desmond is going to have some big impact coming up. That, and Daniel said Desmond is special. Maybe Dan had it wrong, all people aren’t the variable, but Desmond is.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:01 AM
As a friend pointed out to me a few minutes ago, did anyone else expect Juliet to be leading them into a trap and giving them the wrong code to teh fence?
I’m thinking something is up with her. During the meeting in the house, the face shots of her had her giving off an awful vibe. Either she’s a mole (which has been bandied about quite a bit) or she knows their gig is up.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:05 AM
so where in the time line does the miles/faraday/chang viral video, we discussed here a few weeks ago, fall? obviously they had convinced chang that they were from the future and were both alive when he was making the film.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:12 AM
@ Herd, I suspect that happened sometime between the Orchid and when Dan left for the Others.
@ KC, Juliet seemed to look that way because Sawyer called Kate “Freckles.” I don’t think it was as much of her a mole as it is her being upset with her lover, and his former flame.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:14 AM
eagles – that would be a tight window no? Chang seemed unconvinced @ the Orchid.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:17 AM
I’ve heard that next week was a Richard-centric episode.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:20 AM
all wrapped up in fixing the shower (water refuses to turn hot), but i plan on getting back into this discussion later
April 30th, 2009 at 10:20 AM
@ Herd…it would seem as though the time has passed, considering that Dan is dead. I would assume it has happened already.
April 30th, 2009 at 10:30 AM
I think Farraday is dead. I actually like how this episode helped explain some past episodes. Like Desmond pushing the button, why charlotte’s and mile’s mothers had to leave the island, etc. I am dying to know more about richard alpert though…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:33 AM
i was waiting for the others to ambush jack/kate/david in the river bed like they did with shot ben. instead faraday is able roll up into their camp with weapon drawn?
April 30th, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Bear with me because this is long, but I’ve been thinking about it…
I was sort of taken aback that Dan had a weapon drawn headed into The Others camp. It seemed stupid and sort of out of place. But he did tell Jack, “You don’t know my mother” when the latter asked why he would even draw the gun. The more I think about it, it sort of makes sense that Dan had a weapon drawn. If he just strolled up, they might of pounced on him and taken him hostage or whatever. He comes in with a gun and shoots a couple rounds and scares them into accepting his demands (“let me speak to Eloise!”)
I love, love, love how Richard always asks people, “Have we met before?” when he probably knows he has, in fact, met all these people before. Faraday was in 1954 with Jughead (the H-bomb he spoke of last night) and Alpert was right there. It’s 23 years later but Richard knows.
Pretty sure Richard asked Locke the same thing back in 1974 and asked Kate/Sawyer the same thing when they took Little Ben to Richard and Co.
Here’s my theory on Daniel and his journal with scientific stuff…
This is a time loop.
1) Faraday writes everything he learns in his journal.
2) Faraday goes back in time with journal, gets shot by his mom and the journal is left back in time.
3) Mom picks up the journal, keeps it, births Dan, gives it to him after he graduates college (as seen last night with that “No matter what, I will always love you” message)
4) Dan assumes the journal’s equations are something his mother worked on she retreived from someone else. Dan continues writing in journal (as seen in The Constant episode with Desmond).
5) Dan travels back in time again, and the whole process continues with the journal continually being filled up.
Eventually, I believe, there will be enough stuff in the journal to figure out how to stop this time travel shit, what the Valenzetti Equation means (the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) and unlocks the mysteries of the electromagnetic energies of the Island.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I mean 1954.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
WHen he opened that journal in the restaurant, I expected it to be already full.
April 30th, 2009 at 11:07 AM
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April 30th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
@ Ndub…fun theory on the journal, but the one Dan’s mom gives him is brand new. Also, as seen in the preview, Jack is looking over the notebook, it doesn’t appear that Ellie has it.
I think on the notebook, Ellie gives it to Dan as a chance to kind of avoid the original plan. I think Dan eventually would have solved the entire time loop and stopped a lot of the events. Perhaps this is why Ellie killed him, and knows she has to kill him, but the notebook is where he writes his ideas. If understood properly, someone else could still execute Dan’s plan.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
i have a feeling that time is changed and people end up where they are supposed to be. not sure how it happens, but you have to believe that when the electromagnet is keyed off it might send the losties back to their time of 2007.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:36 PM
@eagles – But we didn’t see him open past page one. So how do we know for sure the journal isn’t already written in? Are we supposed to fill in the blanks and assume no?
I’ll have to check the preview for next week. But would it surprise you if Ellie doesn’t get her hands on the journal?
April 30th, 2009 at 12:39 PM
didn’t Daniel show Chang formulas that wouldn’t be completed for more than 20 years?
April 30th, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Wilhelm – You are correct. I’ll have to watch again, but I’m pretty sure he told Chang about formulas that are 20 years ahead of their time.
Keep in mind, though, in S4 during episodes like The Constant, we saw Daniel’s journal full of numbers and such. There was a small time frame between when he received the journal and when he went to The Island in which he could’ve filled it with numbers and notes. Plus, he spent a lot of time during the Dharma Initiative back at Ann Arbor and also likely filled it with information.
Here’s the EW recap:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20275722,00.html
April 30th, 2009 at 1:00 PM
i think he filled it up with his own work, and his mother having the belief of a set destiny would have realized giving Daniel a partially filled notebook might alter the course she thought he needed to follow.
i’m going to have to watch the other seasons again, (darn) and see how it plays out knowing what we know now.
April 30th, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Wilhelm- I’d suggest reading the EW recap. Gives some really good insight and background into Daniel/Eloise relationship and time-travel.
April 30th, 2009 at 1:15 PM
so Penny and Faraday are related.. Widmore got banned from the island because he was screwing around with Penny’s mom and Ellie found out and banished him?
April 30th, 2009 at 1:24 PM
What confused me was when Charles said “he’s my son, too” to Eloise, making it seem like he was the biological father.
But remember two episodes ago – ‘Dead is Dead’ – Charles was escorted off The Island to the sub by security guys and Ben, who said something about Charles going to and from the island as he pleases and fathering a child with an off-islander. Was that child Penny or Dan? I’d guess Penny but who knows.
April 30th, 2009 at 2:06 PM
He easily could have been banging Ellie on the island and someone else off the island.
The main thing that bothered me last night was that apparently Sawyer and company didn’t hear the gun fight at the motor pool. It can’t be far enough away for them not to hear it, but I’m just nitpicking.
April 30th, 2009 at 3:29 PM
NDub…If you look at the notebook from the ep last night, it is pretty clear that is a brand new notebook. Look at it in the earlier episdoes, and it has a very worn and used look to it. It is filled with Dan’s notes presumably from his time travel experiments where he damaged his mind and his assistants. It is unclear how much time there was between his graduation, and return to the island, but judging by Dans rainman like attitude, I bet he had enough time to write a lot down. The formulas from “20 years from now” are the ones that Dan has from his past, which is Chang’s future.