Get out of my mind, goldticket.

but it’s so quiet here.

j/k jimmy.

On a micro level taking into consideration stats and ability levels, if you think rings don’t matter in the kobe vs lebron debate, then you are nuts.

At this point in time, rings don’t matter. What matters for LeBron is LRMR and tha ROC. As he gets older and matures, he might care more about winning, but it’s hard to tell with these players who are all about stats. I thought the Olympics would change him, so who knows?

I guess it was a telltale sign that he wasn’t serious about winning when they were doing pregame photo skits and making sure the cameras were rolling for the halfcourt shots.

And Kobe would trade the Shaq rings to be known as the best ever. He knows that will never happen with LeBron only 24 and already better.

I don’t know. I don’t think 1 title allows you entry in the best ever debate.

I agree that lebron is better physically, but there is something about his mental state that I just don’t like. And don’t get me wrong, I love him as a player – just not as a leader. Like it or not, kobe puts constant pressure on his teammates so they are (usually…) ready for it. Maybe if Lebron had yelled at some of his teammates during the year for stupid plays rather than taking fake photos with them before games and being “best teammate ever” they would’ve been more ready for the pressure of the big stage.

In the long run, Lebron’s agenda for fame and money (self stated) is going to hamstring a team’s ability to put quality players around him. And if howard develops a post game of any kind, it may not even matter.

My argument is more to support the other Laker players than to rip Kobe. Gasol is amazing, he will likely make the next 5 AS games or so. Odom is better than anyone LeBron has ever played with. Fisher has shown hes the big shot maker that Kobe could always rely on. Kobes great, always been a fan. He deserves it.

Um, no. Because once again Kobe has played like shit and rode his supporting cast in 3 out of 4 games. This is like saying Karl Malone would trade his career for Robert Horrys. Worst argument ever.

On a macro level your counter argument makes sense. Of course Malone wouldn’t trade his career for horry’s, but that’s not the analogy I made. On a micro level taking into consideration stats and ability levels, if you think rings don’t matter in the kobe vs lebron debate, then you are nuts.

lebron has the stats – but kobe has the rings. think they’d trade?

Um, no. Because once again Kobe has played like shit and rode his supporting cast in 3 out of 4 games. This is like saying Karl Malone would trade his career for Robert Horrys. Worst argument ever.