A Dud to End the NBA Season, and We Don’t Mean the Painfully Awkward Joey Buss Interview
NBA June 15th. 2009, 11:00am
Let the record state:
NBA team of the 80s – Lakers (five championships)
NBA team of the 90s – Bulls (six championships)
NBA team of the 00s – Lakers (four championships)
To ABC’s Mark Jackson, who struggled throughout the finals with mundane observations and far too many cliches: The Lakers are far from a lock to return to this spot next year. JVG bailed him out with a reminder that Ariza and Odom are free agents. Too bard Barkley wasn’t there to opine that Phil Jackson’s leaving the building with his 10th title.
The only person taking more of a beating on the net today than the Orlando Magic: Lakers ‘alternative governor’ Joey Buss, who had no business crowbarring his way into the first on-stage interview after the win. He’s mercilessly being pounded here, here, and here.
The Magic? We’ll say what you’re thinking – they beat a injured Boston Celtics team, had what could only be described as a historically hot 3-point shooting series against the Cavaliers, and then got rolled twice in five games by the Lakers. A nice run, but cling to it, Magic fans, because unless they can find a solution to the Hedo problem, they’ll take a step back into the pack in the east.
Options:
- Re-sign Hedo for whatever he wants. Indifferent defender, but a very good passer and clutch scorer. Problem is, he’s going to want to break the bank, since Rashard Lewis already did.
- Let Hedo walk, slide Lewis to SF and see if you can acquire a rebounder inside to help Dwight (plenty of decent ones on this list wouldn’t command much).
- Ask Lewis to take a paycut (LOL) to help sign Hedo and keep the core intact.
- See if you can somehow trade someone – Alston? – in an effort to climb into the draft and get the non-lottery SF who is probably most ready to contribute right away: Pitt’s Sam Young. Also, Taylor Griffin was a decent role player at Oklahoma, and though he does not great, he might be worth a flier if he goes undrafted.
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June 15th, 2009 at 11:02 AM
after watching the NBA Finals, I kinda figured out why he hasn’t grabbed a coaching job.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:04 AM
they’ll take a step back into the pack in the east
sure buddy
congrats to the Lakers
June 15th, 2009 at 11:04 AM
That interview of Buss was painful. This series had 3 really good games, but it never felt like a great series at all. Had Orlando not pissed away game 4 it would have gone down to the wire. Instead it turned out to be a 5-game laugher. Kobe’s all around stats were pretty sick though. Also, if you are Howard, how to do you go out like that on your own court? 11 and 10? That’s some soft-ass shit right there.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
If the Lakers re-sign either Odom or Ariza, they’ll be back making a deep push next year. They don’t need both and probably can’t sign both. Who is gonna beat the Lakers in the West next year? Spurs? Old. Nuggets? Rockets? Dallas? Please. Kobe, Pau, Ariza, and Bynum (IF he stays healthy which is a big IF)
June 15th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
You think they can lose Hedo and not take a step back?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Don’t know how the Magic, with a healthy Jameer Nelson, aren’t the favorites in the East again next year. The Cavs are what 4-14 or something the last 18 games against them.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Let Hedo walk and bring in Leon to play SF. He brings a tougness this team has been lacking.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Lakers ‘alternative governor’ Joey Buss, who had no business crowbarring his way into the first on-stage interview after the win
Crowbarring? Dr. Jerry (“Dad”) was getting his usual post championship hummer from an “actress/model” in the owner’s box and couldn’t stand up, so he sent the kid down to fill in.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Never happen, but is it even allowed in the CBA? I think not, but don’t have proof.
A shitty college player is going to be the missing piece? Yikes.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
That was Jerry Buss’ son? I thought that was some sort of Make-A-Wish situation.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:09 AM
When the Mavericks get CP3, your tune will change.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Mike Breen ruined the finals..and butchered Kobe’s amazing play. I hate him. Have I made myself clear yet? To think that he’s calling finals games…grrr
June 15th, 2009 at 11:09 AM
The Magic beat an injured Celtics team, and inferior Cavalier team and lost to a superior Laker team. They’ll be back.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Lakers will keep Ariza (they see him as Kobe’s Pippen going forward)..and will only keep Odom if he takes a pay cut. (Don’t they still have the midlevel?).
Interesting that Jordan didn’t win his first title till he was 29, and Kobe is 30. Although Kobe has a lot more mileage on him at this age. I think Kobe will be in contention for the next few years, but it will be tough with Howard and LeBron out there.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
holy shit egypt just tied it at 3
June 15th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Celtics-Lakers next year if Garnett is healthy.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:13 AM
- I think they’ll try to bring back Hedo. The question is: will Hedo look for a major deal (likely his last big deal) or will he choose to stay at a place where he can contend for a ring?
- Rafer Alston is never the answer.
- Unfortunately, ESPN/ABC got the Finals. Why couldn’t they all end up on TNT? We’d have gotten 5 games with Marv Albert and Mike Fratello calling the games and we’d have 5 more nights of Inside the NBA?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Ok, America is getting bounced so badly from this group…Egypt is nuts
June 15th, 2009 at 11:13 AM
you mean the celtics that lose (likely) powe and davis?
and the lakers that lose (likely) ariza and odom?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Jordan won his first 3 at 28-29-30.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:14 AM
They shot 3% higher than their regular season average from three, which was the same percentage they shot against the Cavs in the regular season.
So… let’s put this to rest that the Magic shot “historically well” against the Cavs. They didn’t.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Garnett > Powe/Davis. And you really think theyll lose both?
Lakers will keep one. Better off keeping Odom, that would basically guarantee them another championship.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Losing Odom would be huge. Their bench takes a serious step backwards if he leaves. And Gasol just doesn’t play that well when he’s paired with Bynum.
Neither is irreplaceable, though I like Powe.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Numbers that make Cavs fans sick.
Series fg% 3pt% ft%
Reg Season 46 38 71
Philly 45 34 73
Boston 45 34 73
Clev 49 41 74
LA 43 33 69
Regular season numbers are garbage cursed, no pressure, rolling up points on crappy teams.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
How would the Lakers lose both Ariza and Odom? What uninformed garbage. LA isn’t letting Ariza leave.
And the Lakers are only going to get better as Bynum matures. He had to work himself back into game shape during the playoffs, difficult for anyone. If he stays healthy next year, Lakers repeat.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Ok, America is getting bounced so badly from this group…Egypt is nuts
3 goals against Brazil. Dunga is in deep trouble if he doesn’t make it to the Finals of this thing. He might not live to see the WC.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
They shot 3% higher than their regular season average from three, which was the same percentage they shot against the Cavs in the regular season.
So… let’s put this to rest that the Magic shot “historically well†against the Cavs. They didn’t.
well said
June 15th, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Oh, those are the Magic shooting numbers. Magic are a good, not great team that got hot. I know it sounds like sour grapes, but after watching them choke away games and lay down at home, yes, I’m pissed.
It is quite interesting how many key guys on both teams are FA. It will be interesting too see how much money teams are willing to throw around this summer. Two years ago Ariza and Hedo would get 6 figures, now I’m not sure what they’ll get.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Regular season WINS are garbage coop, no pressure, rolling up points on crappy teams.
/Cavs’d
June 15th, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Ariza is definitely staying because he’s cheaper and probably the best fit for the team. But Odom is an URFA and can go start on just about any other team.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:22 AM
@cursed: I’ll say it again. We shouldn’t expect them to duplicate their regular season numbers. They should be much worse, and history has shown this. So for them to be 3% above a benchmark that it shouldn’t have even touched makes for a pretty ridiculous shooting performance, though “historically well” may be pushing it.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:22 AM
LA isn’t letting Ariza leave.
Are the Lakers going to offer Ariza an Odom-like deal? Not likely. Definitely not if they offer Odom the kind of money he’s after.
But what happens if another team offers Ariza a starting spot?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:23 AM
coop Cavs wouldve got rolled by the Lakers anyway. Not even LeBron can win 1 on 5.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:23 AM
What about the fact that the Magic OWN the Cavs? Not to mention, they’ll get their All-Star point guard back that didn’t even play in the series.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:24 AM
What about the fact that the Magic OWN the Cavs?
Facts like these are hardly mentioned on this site/Cavs board
June 15th, 2009 at 11:25 AM
TBl, Lakers are only losing ONE of the two, or possibly keeping both if someone takes a pay cut.
Odom wants to come back to LA (yes, to a team with Kobe Bryant on it!) and Ariza just wants more money than the 3 mil he’s making.
Kudos to the MAgic though…for some reason, people here on TBL refuse to give them credit for thier accomplishment. Hopefully they can get Hedo back, but I still think they’re the cream of the crop in the East and I’ll take them to take the East again next year, especially cause of this experience. Cleveland, unless it pulls of a deal that gives them a deeper team, is still running on a one man show. Lebron is amazing, but his teammates need to play at a high level as well, and I dont see that happening with the group they have now.
Buss’s interview was so awkward, I thought he had some sort of mental problem at one point.
To anyone that’s interested, this is a great article on Fisher, Kobe and how Kobe was perceived in his early years.
I asked (students) how many of them had jobs. Several hands shot up. One kid was 17 and had just started working at a grocery store.
I asked him to imagine going into work that afternoon and announcing to your bosses and co-workers that you may be just 17 but you plan on being the greatest grocery store worker who ever lived.
Imagine telling them that you’re just 17 but you have plans on one day running not just the grocery store, but the entire chain of grocery stores.
http://lakernoise.com/2009/06/fisher-%E2%80%94-sidekick-to-the-greatest-grocery-guy-who-ever-lived/
Awesome read.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I dont trust Ariza. I hope the Bulls dont sign him.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:26 AM
The Lakers will keep Ariza over Odom. That is not up for debate. I’d be happy to let Odom walk and replace him with a tough vet to come off the bench. It’s not that hard to draw free agents to LA to play for a world champion, at a discounted price.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:28 AM
for some reason, people here on TBL refuse to give them credit for thier accomplishment
because this site is filled with Cavs fans. nothing new
June 15th, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Have you seen my weenier?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:29 AM
It’s not a fact, though.
Did you know the Magic have owned the Lakers the last two years? How’d that work out in the Finals?
We need to stop drawing conclusions from a handful of games.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Did you know the Magic have owned the Lakers the last two years? How’d that work out in the Finals?
let me know when Cleveland and their one man show win a Finals game
June 15th, 2009 at 11:32 AM
The list of guys that provide the same versatility is pretty short. Ariza’s easier to replace, if they had to choose.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:33 AM
/Burn
June 15th, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Van Gundy lost this series by not starting Gortat.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:34 AM
What a joke. What’s the Cavs record the last 18 games against the Magic? I also know they just got their ass kicked in five games last series. Can you find any evidence that would say the Cavs will beat the Magic?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
What has to suck for Magic fans is that if the Magic didn’t just give Ariza to LA for nothing, they probably don’t win the title.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
The Joey Buss interview was awful. I don’t like to use the ‘r’ word but man, that’s about as close as you get without actually being ‘r..ed.’
June 15th, 2009 at 11:36 AM
cursed – how many teams have, over the course of a 6 game series, shot more than 40 % in the postseason?
and then, how many did so against the best defense in the league over the course of an 82 game season?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:36 AM
But the whole point is that the Magic owned the Cavs when it really mattered, in the playoffs. I’m not denying that the Cavs aren’t a good team, but they still run primarily off of Lebron having the ball in his hands at all times…the rest of the Cavs need to play at a much higher level to get out of the East next year (esp. with Celtics coming back), much less win the title against a Western team.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Who cares if the Magic beat the Cavs two years ago? This year they are fairly evenly matched teams, both of whom did/would have lost to the lakers, however the numbers cant be ignored.
18 non-cav playoff games, magic shoot 34% from 3
6 cavs games, 41% from 3
June 15th, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I don’t think LA can lose either of the 2 and expect to win the title next year. Also, all of the people out there who are just assuming Boston will be awesome next year, I would tread cautiously. Garnett and Pierce aren’t getting any younger, and Ray Allen may be dealt for picks or other players. I still think Boston will be a 1, 2 or 3 seed, but who knows if Garnett will come back as his old self.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:38 AM
uh, i could give an F about the cavs.
i simply like watching lebron play, that is all. as soon as he leaves, you think i’ll care?
(this is not to say the cavs are my favorite team, but over the years, i’ve gotten to the point i just dont get all homer for teams. i like good games, good players, good series.)
June 15th, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Ariza is a great defender and Odom is very inconsistent. Ariza is younger, and has progressed remarkably fast, and now picked up a three-point shot. There’s a reason why they start him over Odom, and as someone who follows the team, they won’t let Ariza walk.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Also, you have to realize that PJ stuck to his defensive scheme over the entire series…basically the plan was to throw D-Ho altering looks (worked cause he was ineffective offensively), and close out on the shooters (which they did)…the Magic shooting lower against the Lakers has more to do with the Lakers playing good defense than the Magic missing shots.
However, they did miss crucial OPEN shots in the clutch minutes of some games, which I’ll attribute to being shook in the moment.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Maybe its because everyone else had someone who could somewhat stay with howard. The magic had wide open looks all series against cleveland. They were a better team than cleveland sort of like the lakers were a better team than orlando
June 15th, 2009 at 11:43 AM
The Lakers have to get younger/deeper at PG as well. Farmar’s an abomination, and Fisher is at best the 5th best PG in the West. Also, Luke Walton plays way too many non-garbage time minutes. This is a bad thing.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:43 AM
If the Magic resign Hedo the Cavs will not beat them without some major changes. They are way too slow, unathletic, and soft to handle the Magic.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:43 AM
TBL Godfather, even as a very happy Lakers fan as an understatement, it’s not much for anyone to admit that easily this series could have gone 7 games, as it was only a free throw in one game and a relatively easy lay-up in another away from just that. The Magic are stronger than for which you are giving them credit now despite the thrashing last night. But Boston with Garnett will be slightly stronger. Cleveland does not even enter this discussion — fohgedaboudit!
June 15th, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Isn’t there one crucial difference between Odom and Ariza? I believe Ariza is a restricted free agent, isn’t he?
And, don’t you think that Phil’s decision to either retire or stay is going to affect Odom and Ariza staying or going?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:44 AM
I really think you’re thinking of the old NBA. I didn’t necessarily notice the the defenses get that much tougher this year in the playoffs. think about it, the Lakers just won the title, and their perceived flaw was lack of toughness, and defensive consistency – which manifested itself often during their title run.
5-10 years ago, I would agree with you, but to me the defenses have gotten worse in the playoffs, especially this season.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:46 AM
TBL’s (comment #53) I CAN attest to this fact… HE’S NO HOMER !!!
D-Ho may never be an OFFENSIVE Center ala Akeem, Kareem, Pat-Ewing etc
Work on your LEGS-n-Some GO-TO offensive moves around the basket because that’s going to be HIS foundations for success to OFFSET this terrible NBA Finals series that D-Ho just finished
June 15th, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Hedo is opting out.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/
June 15th, 2009 at 11:46 AM
It’s not like they won the title or anything.
/just sayin’
June 15th, 2009 at 11:47 AM
you sir, are a dumbass.
/personal attack
June 15th, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Right, but we’re not talking about the Lakers of today versus the Lakers of yore.
We’re talking about the Lakers of today versus meaningless regular season games withs Sacto, Charlotte, OKC, and a handful of other no-defense teams.
If you take out the ~20 games a team will play yearly versus truly awful defensive clubs, then the shooting percentage expectations versus a playoff team should obviously come down.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Isn’t there one crucial difference between Odom and Ariza? I believe Ariza is a restricted free agent, isn’t he?
another crucial difference is that Lamar Odom has already made a 100 million or thereabouts from his last contract. Ariza has yet to be paid.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Anyone watching the Egypt game? Was the penalty Brazil got a good call?
June 15th, 2009 at 11:51 AM
can someone please tell me what the hell happened at the end of the brazil-egypt game
June 15th, 2009 at 11:51 AM
And I fear for my Italy too, but history shows how to never count them out even if they start slow. Today we saw that Egypt are absolutely top 10 material globally; they are playing as sharp as an European team.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Interesting question, when’s the last time a team won a title without two hall of famers? (crucial to this argument, I think Tony Parker will have the stats and rings as a Hall of Famer when it’s all said and done. He doesn’t have the assists that Isiah does, but the fg% is tough to ignore for a PG).
Actually, Detroit had no hall of famers. So that would be the last time.
Robert Horry is a hall of famer (I realize there’s a debate whether he should be one, but he’s going in, I’m 100% sure of that).
So you have to go back to the late 70’s to find an NBA champion without two hall of famers (with the exception of Detroit in 04).
June 15th, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Nick – I expect an excel sheet to be downloadable later at MLJ so I can digest this. Or, at least some sort of bar graph / pie chart for me to consume.
Mmmmmmmmm….pie.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Completely agree, but my point was let’s not start handing them the next two or three trophies just yet. They’ve got some work to do.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Only way the cavs leave the discussion is if they send all refs to a blocking foul/charging camp in the summer
June 15th, 2009 at 11:53 AM
It was a clear handball.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Handball, intentional, by Egypt to save otherwise a goal. The player was sent off, and Kaka converted the penalty decisively. Brazil 4, Egypt 3. One of the finest international matches I have seen since 2006 if not the finest.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Look at the trophy homer! And dickwad. Personal attack returned.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:56 AM
The U.S. is going to get shit-housed in this group.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Maybe its because everyone else had someone who could somewhat stay with howard. The magic had wide open looks all series against cleveland. They were a better team than cleveland sort of like the lakers were a better team than orlando
@JeffaJax: winner winner chicken dinner!
How many times against the Mavs were Lewis and Turkalu just standing there waiting for the ball to get whipped around the perimeter over to where they were standing, waiting to get off an uncontested three?
THAT’S why their shooting % was higher. The Cavs played horrible D against the Magic.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:59 AM
it doesnt matter what the lakers or magic or even the cavs do over the summer , next year belongs to daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bulls
June 15th, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Bingo. I was amazed that Cleveland never seemed to change their D against Orlando. The Lakers could double most of the time beacuse they had the lenghth to get back on the shooters. CLE didn’t, but played like they did.
/Mike Brown was the coach of the year.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:01 PM
That’s what I said. I hate the notion that the Magic just “died” by the three. Lewis made like 4 open 3’s yesterday (hell, even JJ made one) cause the Lakers weren’t even closing out on them.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:01 PM
You don’t think Ben Wallace is a Hall of Famer, or Billups? One of those guys will be, if not both.
Ben Wallace four (!) time defensive player of the year, six time first team All-Defense, multiple All-NBA selections (2nd and 3rd teams), couple of rebounding titles, anchored a title team. Seems like a no-brainer to me. He’s obviously terrible now, but players with 6 year peaks like that are shoe-ins.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Ben Wallace is Dennis Rodman. Is Dennis Rodman a Hall of Famer? I honestly don’t know the answer to that.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Sometimes Fanhouse has decent stuff to read.
This…is not one of those times. IDIOTS!
June 15th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Rodman was better in my opinion.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:08 PM
I think they’re both Hall of Famers, so it’s a mute point from my perspective.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:09 PM
wallace wishes he was rodman.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Is cursed trying to imply that Paolo Gasol is not a HOFer? Was that the point of his comment? I honestly have no idea. By the way he will definitely go in the HOF. Go ahead and put him down for 5-8 more AS games and 1-3 more titles.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Rodman should be a hall of famer FOR SURE…18 rebounds per game??
Dude was a machine.
Ben Wallace, I’m not sure. He really hasn’t done anything since leaving Detriot but decline. I’d hang his jersey in Det, but I dont know about HOF worthy.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:14 PM
This is for all you folks in Cleveland …again (SFW) …wonderful town …yeah, keep crying standing up for your lame asses you jerkwater homers LOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY
June 15th, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Gasol is seriously one of the most talented and versatile big men I have ever seen. He has more skills than Shaq (obviously, but not as much power), he can defend fairly well, and he has a really, really high IQ and awareness. Dude has to be a hall-of-famer.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Or this one whilst we are out as a great sequel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM (SFW)
June 15th, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Paolo are you that stupid? The video was made by a guy from Cleveland, who lives in Cleveland. Thats who it was made for. We love it.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:18 PM
There’s been some soccer talk in this post so ill make the request here Any way we can get a seperate thread for the US game? I’m at work and trying to avoid the score alerts
June 15th, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Agreed karma. Shaq was a great passer too though.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:21 PM
DPOY and All-defense team don’t mean as much nowadays when there really isn’t that much defense being played. Are we putting Bruce Bowen in the HOF?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Great! You guys love it that it sucks too! You get that its people suck too! That’s the point exactly! You get it DUMBASS! We agree Cleveland sucks major ass along with all its fans and disproportional number of homers on here. Okay now we can move on hallelujah!
June 15th, 2009 at 12:23 PM
dennis rodman, in my book, is a no-doubt hall of famer.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:24 PM
stay classy.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:24 PM
This sites Cleveland homers are as follows:
Spencer, Duder, Nick
Probably a few others.
Also some Big Ten/OSU type homers like Spencer, Roeth, Duder and Nick as well.
Don’t worry they will reveal themselves again no matter how bad their teams suck unlike fans in most other areas. That’s because when they are lame they don’t go back to improve their game but just get defensive. Like so many folks in the more jerkwater redneck places nationwide.
Oh one more thing — Lakers baby look at the trophy and EAT ASS!
Damn does it still feel great after all the shit we took including from all those Cleveland, errr I mean Lebron, loser homers.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:25 PM
But in his defence, Nick has some sensibility with most of his posts.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Also, TBL, how have you not linked to that Lil Wayne song about Kobe yet? That’s been bumping in my ipod for like a week now.
I still dont understand why Rodman got shafted….he had a pretty big influence in the league when it comes to the tattoos and stuff, but his numbers were off the charts. He was quite a character, and the fans loved him, even though he was a PR nightmare in the traditional sense.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:27 PM
All I could understand was the smiley face.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:27 PM
True, clown, but Bowen had less 1st teams and zero DPOY. Not in Ben’s class, plus Wallace had one great skill on offense. (eight times in top 3 for Off-rebounding )
June 15th, 2009 at 12:27 PM
USA 7-0 early, on a 40 yard touchdown run by an American dude, with Italians draped all over him.
If the Basketball Hall of Fame was the NBA Hall of Fame, I’d say yes to Wallace. But the Basketball Hall of Fame would rather induct high school girl’s coaches from Brazil than NBA players. So I’m figuring that Wallace has a long wait, if he ever gets in.
Rodman’s no shoo in either, not with this system.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Nick P, interesting. I don’t know if Wallace sustained his play for enough seasons.
Billups? ehhh, I just don’t know. He really needed to get to the finals this year.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:28 PM
paolo…what exactly is your point?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Nick P, though what I’m trying to get back to ultimately, is that Kobe winning a title without another Hall of Famer further solidifies alpha dog status.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Does this make me the Most Interesting Man In Cleveland, paolo?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:31 PM
jpq, if hes ever been within 100 miles.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:33 PM
I second this plea.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:33 PM
June 15th, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Gasol is a hall of famer, especially now.
He has the stats for it, now he has the ring for it, especially considering the Lakers arent done yet.
I also never understood why Kobe gets chastized for winning with Shaq…Magic had numerous hall of famers (!), on his team, as did Bird. The only person who is untoucheable in that category is MJ, but even he had Rodman and Pippen for the second run.
Point is, you NEED hall-of-fame type players to win big…Kobe did not win this “alone”, but he was certainly the alphadog.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Yes. +1.5 Nick P
June 15th, 2009 at 12:35 PM
rodman should get in the HOF because his stats are almost the exact same as bill walton’s and he is a 5 time nba champion and because while he may not have invented it but he did perfect the batshit crazy nba star
June 15th, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Calm down dude, you’re making yourself look a little foolish.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Settle down Paolo.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:39 PM
fuck em Paolo. do your thing
June 15th, 2009 at 12:39 PM
paolo…you need to chill out.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Does this make me the Most Interesting Man In Cleveland, paolo?
jpq, if hes ever been within 100 miles.
does that time w/ Gary Miller in The Flats count???
/kidding
June 15th, 2009 at 12:41 PM
He is free to “do his thing.” But does he have to go on some Glenn Beck style rant?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Ben Wallace is Dennis Rodman. Is Dennis Rodman a Hall of Famer? I honestly don’t know the answer to that.
GOOD GOD! If you don’t think Wallace and Rodman are HOF material, you sir – are a jack-hole. Apparently scoring is your only parameter.
For all CLE and ORL fans. Please stop. Neither team has done enough the past few years to say your team will definitatively prison-stomp the other in upcoming years – so just let the rivalry play out.
But seriously, Hedu bolting is going to rape Orlando.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Hedu bolting is going to rape Orlando
Hedu?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:46 PM
No worries Gods …I am calm (and laughing) …uh I’ll let the rest decide who looks foolish on this one … a guy who supports a team with a trophy as he predicted all along or douchebags who can’t even recognise a champion when they see one because they still think they have a winning team all the time and have to put down other teams whilst they are LOSERS…and someone has to stick up for even a trophy amidst the few losers on here who just don’t get it. I think the job is done until college football season, when I look forward to returning the favour on their overrated Big Ten teams again.
Thanks Irish and Karma too and any Lakers fans (not nec you Irish) here not represented well enough like most of the West Coast point of view, and stay thirsty JPQ.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:47 PM
If some douchebags are basically begging repeatedly for abuse on here, usually I will deliver.
Read the previous posts by those guys here and under today’s AM roundup. They ASKED for it, so there you have it.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Paolo is CALM GOD DAMNIT! IM LaUGHING CANT YOU TELL!!! WHO LOOKS STUPID NOW ILL LET YOU BE THE JUDGE!!! Smiley face.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:49 PM
Posts with people bashing each other is much more interesting than posts about soccer, which is most definitely the gheyest of all sports.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:51 PM
What?? Gasol’s stats are 18.8 and 8.7, with zero playoff series wins without Kobe. No defensive accolades either. How is that hall of fame status?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Scripty…for someone telling people to stop saying something is certainly going to happen you must have some inside info that hedo is signing somewhere else. Who’s your source??? Care to fill this interested magic fan in?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Okay cool. The “calm down, I really didn’t mean it” is always the last resort and admission of loss. I can live with that too.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Rodman iss a hall of famer no doubt. 5 rings, twice DPOY and 7-time rebounding champ. No doubter.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Best part is that I bet the Lakers before the season started and said they would win easily all year long. But that does not matter, for Paolos douchiness is too strong for facts to interfere with.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:54 PM
i apologize Paolo Godfather…may your first child, be a masculine child.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:54 PM
i apologize Paolo Godfather…may your first child, be a masculine child.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:55 PM
im so sorry i said it twice.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Oh look, a “soccer is ghey” post. Originality at its finest.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Lakers 2009 NBA Champs! Must resign Odom and Ariza.
June 15th, 2009 at 12:58 PM
JPQ I am going to have to weigh in here with a ruling. Very high chances no unless you rivalled the action at Solid Gold backstage back in your day. I doubt you did that in Cleveland too, but if you have some evidence to support this case, well perhaps you just might be more interesting.
For those of you not following TBL history here is an abridged refresher course.
Let’s examine this file footage from the JP “Stickboy” Q archive again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dCZ_cLAPQ
Yeah he was that stickboy with the flailing moves and bad hair back in the day, but he rode plenty of that onion ass backstage and was the inspiration for Sir-Mix-A-Lot over a decade later. He was the first to prove popularly that the path to enlightenment is not merely straight and narrow.
Ah uh yeah, again, he had drinks with Rick James and OJ in Buffalo, but he has since moved to South Florida under the Witness Protection Program as was revealed a few weeks ago in the forgotten “Harems For Sunshine” scandal on which he made out big.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:00 PM
+1 Spencer LOL!
Paorofucious Say:
June 15th, 2009 at 1:03 PM
+1 Gods
Yeah Gods no kidding they never give it up. But then again I would not want to encourage them to improve on their lameness would I?
June 15th, 2009 at 1:05 PM
Agreed. Not to rip this quote but it’s called the Hall Of Fame, not the Hall Of Pretty Good.
BTW, Magic is still be greatest Laker of all-time.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:05 PM
This sites Cleveland homers are as follows:
Spencer, Duder, Nick
Probably a few others.
Also some Big Ten/OSU type homers like Spencer, Roeth, Duder and Nick as well.
Don’t worry they will reveal themselves again no matter how bad their teams suck unlike fans in most other areas. That’s because when they are lame they don’t go back to improve their game but just get defensive. Like so many folks in the more jerkwater redneck places nationwide.
Oh one more thing — Lakers baby look at the trophy and EAT ASS!
June 15th, 2009 at 1:06 PM
michigan football is the gheysest of sports…did you see them last year? looked like one big fag gaggle out there.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Stupid quotes
June 15th, 2009 at 1:09 PM
In other news, go see some Britney tits at the bottom of the Megan Fox post.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:13 PM
This board is awful.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I must be a jack-hole then. They certainly aren’t slam dunks, that’s for sure.
June 15th, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Well just move on and go look at Britney’s tits.