NFL Ruminations: “Fail to the Redskins,” Rodney Harrison’s Trash Talk and The Greg Lewis Catch
NFL, Video September 28th. 2009, 9:15am
The Redskins can’t fire embattled coach Jim Zorn. Not yet, at least. Yes, he appears clueless when the team enters the red zone – going for it on 4th and goal from the one in the first quarter, for instance. Yes, the West Coast offense has been a failure. Yes, it seems as if he has lost confidence in his players. “Everybody said we were going to lose this game. Some guys maybe started to believe it,” defensive tackle Phillip Daniels said.
But as Peter King pointed out last night on NBC, Zorn wears three hats – head coach, offensive coordinator, and QB coach. Replacing all three in a week? C’est impossible.
The worst fantasy football owner in the league, Daniel Snyder, should be looking at alternative options in the event that Zorn can’t rebound in the next three weeks against Tampa (winless), Carolina (winless) and Kansas City (winless). Zorn, who was a curious choice to begin with, is 9-10 through 19 games as head coach, but if he can win three of four before the bye week, you might as well retain him for the remainder of the season. Barring some miraculous march to the playoffs, he’ll be replaced in the offseason. Snyder loves splashy hires … Jon Gruden, anyone?
Here’s what John Riggins, one of the most popular Redskins’ in franchise history, had to say about Zorn yuckking it up in the pregame with Tom Cruise. Perhaps Riggins was just ticked off that Fred Taylor passed him on the NFL’s all-time rushing list earlier in the day?
Jackass of the Day: NBC’s Rodney Harrison.
“The one problem in particular is Jason Campbell, the quarterback. I don’t know what they see in this guy. To me, he’s a backup that’s been elevated to starter. He’s unpredictable, inconsistent, and he’s not a guy that defensive players look at and fear.”
Really, Rodney? Campbell is 5th in the league in completion percentage. Last year, he finished ahead of Tony Romo, Matt Ryan, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger in that category. And defensive players need to “fear” the QB? Can you find 15 QBs in this league that strike fear in opponents? It isn’t Campbell, it’s Zorn.
Back to Harrison: After ripping Campbell, he went after Terrell Owens for his post-game comments following Buffalo’s 27-7 loss to New Orleans: “He’s just a clown. A straight up clown.” Owens’ response was outstanding.
Best Catch of the Day By Someone Not Named Greg Lewis: Donald Driver. One-handed grab against the Rams while falling down. He secured the ball against his helmet in a David Tyree-like fashion. Note what was happening to his other arm. No flag was thrown. The Packers face their old compadre, Brett Favre on MNF a week from today. Ratings will be astronomical.
Speaking of Greg Lewis: Here are some neat facts about his catch to beat the 49ers.
- Less than a month ago, he was cut by the Patriots
- He was inactive for the first two games of this season
- 2nd year player Darius Reynaudwas ahead of him on the depth chart, but he pulled a hammy earlier in the game
- Lewis was in the game only because Percy Harvin was tired after running seven straight go routes and playing the first nine snaps of the drive
- Favre had no idea who he was throwing to
Baltimore Ravens 3-0. Best in the League?
As a rookie, Baltimore QB Joe Flacco led the Ravens to the playoffs, but their passing game was the team’s weakness. The Ravens were 28th in the league in passing at 175 yards per game. Flacco was effective and efficient, but as a rookie might do, he stumbled badly in the postseason. The 4th best running game in the league (and a fierce defense) led Baltimore to the AFC Championship.
Flacco has significantly improved in 2009, even though three games is a tiny sample size. Baltimore is balanced: 5th best passing game in the NFL, and 5th best running game in the league. 2nd in scoring (34.3) and 2nd in yards per game. Worth keeping in mind before anointing the Ravens Super Bowl favorites – they have hammered the Chiefs and Browns, both of whom are winless, and the Chargers (2-1). Their next three will probably tell us more than their first three: at New England (2-1), vs. Cincy (2-1), at Minnesota (3-0).
Last, we hope during the Lions wild party last night to celebrate the end of the streak, Matthew Stafford shared.
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September 28th, 2009 at 9:17 AM
Some kid in my NFL Pick ‘em league is 15-0 this weeks against the spread. Anyone know the odds on that?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:23 AM
So your position is that Campbell is good?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:25 AM
I hear the Jets are unbeaten. Maybe it’s just a rumor.
/what I don’t hear–the Broncos are unbeaten
September 28th, 2009 at 9:27 AM
When I hear stuff like this, I believe it only when in dated and witnessed print, e-mail, or veriafiable online postings BEFORE the games.
Or when someone shows me the cash they just picked up at the window in Las Vegas etc.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:27 AM
Not Ty Duffy.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:29 AM
Campbell is a good qb… the fact that the kid’s mind hasn’t exploded with all the offensive systems he has had to learn the past several years astonishes me…
September 28th, 2009 at 9:30 AM
It isn’t Campbell, it’s Zorn.
Ummmm, it might be Campbell and Zorn. I was a Campbell apologist for a couple of seasons, but by crikey, get better, not worse, please.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:30 AM
Oh c’mon you are going to go out of your way to stick up for a sorry quarterback whose team lost against the Lions?
And please, if you want change at the Redskins, look no further than where none of the locals look and kiss major political ass — Dan Snyder.
There will be no change and no championships in racist Washington until Dan Snyder leaves and perhaps those hypocrites telling everyone else in the country what is politically correct finally change their fuckin’ racist team’s name because they just won’t shut the fuck up otherwise.
What a bunch of turds those spineless folks living in and around Washington DC are and never to be trusted for sure.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:30 AM
The biggest story is that the Bengals (The Bengals!), barring one fluky crazy catch, have outplayed all their opponents this season.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:31 AM
If Campbell is so good why does he play so mediocre. He has a good RB, TE, and a nice deep threat at WR. Most “good” QBs could win with that, no?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:31 AM
The first part of this quote is not accurate given the state of quarterbacking in the NFL. Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson are backup QB’s elevated to starters. The second part of that quote is accurate. Harrison has some salient points at times, he just buries them in a mask of smugness and douchebaggery. Couldn’t they just get Ronnie Lott on that panel instead?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Paolo with an early morning driveby on Snyder.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:33 AM
Some kid in my NFL Pick ‘em league is 15-0 this weeks against the spread. Anyone know the odds on that?
I’m with Paolo. That seems quite bizarre, like he’s in the wrong business. I couldn’t go 15-0 against the spread if I picked yesterday’s games this morning.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:34 AM
Dan Snyder > > > > Ralph Wilson
September 28th, 2009 at 9:35 AM
The biggest story is that the Bengals (The Bengals!), barring one fluky crazy catch, have outplayed all their opponents this season.
They were losing to Denver 6-0, and mounted a drive late to score their only touchdown in that first game, scoring just before that wacky fluke. So I don’t know if they necessarily outplayed Denver.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:35 AM
I had no problem with this – in fact I wanted Tomlin to do the same yesterday.
We have someone 14-1 this week as well (meanwhile I did the worst I’ve done in about 3 years).
September 28th, 2009 at 9:36 AM
Is that straight-up winners or against the spread? I find being 14-1 against the spread in any week quite incredible to believe.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:36 AM
It’s been a while since I took stats, but assuming the spread makes each game a “coin flip” it’d be 0.5 to the 15th power, or .00003 percent.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Ty with the TBL-esque reverse jinx.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Sorry, in percent it’s .003%
September 28th, 2009 at 9:37 AM
I’m feel like a beatin’ house wife this morning. Totally speechless. I didn’t think the Skins were very good, but can’t believe they are this bad. The defense really let everyone down yesterday. Sorry Zorn, you’re gone after the season – even if they make the playoffs. There are too many big name coaches available.
Campbell is fine. Not the greatest, but much better than the league average.
TBL, please don’t reference anything Riggins says about the Skins. The guy is a complete asshole who is constantly bitter with today’s players.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:37 AM
Really Percey, last play of the game and he took himself out? Jesus christ man
September 28th, 2009 at 9:38 AM
Dan Snyder > > > > Ralph Wilson
yes, Snyder has more money
September 28th, 2009 at 9:38 AM
S-W
Yes, i like Campbell. don’t think he’s a good fit for that offense, but i’d keep him and scrap the offense. guy has good tools around him, throws a great deep ball.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Against the spread
September 28th, 2009 at 9:42 AM
starting QBs strike fear into opponents. Let’s hear ‘em.
Rivers
Manning
Brady
Brees
IMO, that’s pretty much it. Fear is vastly different than being “elite.”
Big Ben? Why fear? Maybe in the 4th qtr.
Eli? Fear? Really? afraid to face him?
Romo? McNabb?
Cutler?
Favre and Warner are mostly immobile.
Pennington?
Flacco and Ryan? only 2nd yr QBs. come on, nobody is afraid of them (maybe Flacco’s arm)
September 28th, 2009 at 9:42 AM
Pissed we lost the game on that catch by Lewis. Would have been nice to be 3-0 with everyone else in the division losing. Must say I’m impressed with the way the team is playing. I hope Gore isn’t out too long.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Why the fuck would Tom Cruise be in Detroit for anything?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:44 AM
In a league w/ JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, and Jake Delhomme, Jason Campbell is certainly not the worst QB.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:44 AM
You mean he made the correct call and it just didn’t work out for him? Ye gods, what a moron.
/TMQ’d
//you’ve gotta go for it on the 1 yard line, if only to show faith in your o-line
September 28th, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Oh c’mon you are going to go out of your way to stick up for a sorry quarterback whose team lost against the Lions?
And please, if you want change at the Redskins, look no further than where none of the locals look and kiss major political ass — Dan Snyder.
There will be no change and no championships in racist Washington until Dan Snyder leaves and perhaps those hypocrites telling everyone else in the country what is politically correct finally change their fuckin’ racist team’s name because they just won’t shut the fuck up otherwise.
What a bunch of turds those spineless folks living in and around Washington DC are and never to be trusted for sure.
So every politician in DC is a Skins’ fan? That’s news to me. I thought Congress was a collection of representatives from states around the country.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:45 AM
I swear the only reason Tomlin kicked was to give Reed a chippy after last week.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Scientology is buying Ford Motor Corp?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Scientology recruiting. People in Detroit are ready to believe anything.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:45 AM
The San-Chise’s beautiful eyes pierce the hearts of opposing db’s.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:46 AM
I agree with this, although through three games Manning and Brees are on a different plane than the other two. Three-way MVP battle between them and AD.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:48 AM
you’ve gotta go for it on the 1 yard line, if only to show faith in your o-line
I agree. The most logical scenario is getting the one yard. The second most is not getting it, and leaving your opponent on the 1. In the first half, I’m almost always in favor of going for it. And always running the ball, if you do.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:48 AM
The 15-0 kid is against the spread. I have a screenshot I can email anyone who does not believe it.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:50 AM
i need you to get the kid who went 15-0 to email me. did you see his picks before hand? was this one lucky weekend or is he usually this good?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:51 AM
For what it’s worth the did throw a flag on the Driver catch…I liked how after the game Charles Woodson was upset that they didn’t play better and just said St Louis isn’t a very good team, no blowing smoke like the Lions’ coach who in his speech to his players said that rot yesterday was a game “between two very good football teams” which couldn’t be further from the truth
September 28th, 2009 at 9:53 AM
15-0 against the spread would be a parlay you could retire on…I’m pretty pleased with being 10-5 and had I just taken big favorites in the Saints, Packers and Giants instead of trying to be cute I’d be on a real roll
September 28th, 2009 at 9:54 AM
you’ve gotta go for it on the 1 yard line,
I’m almost always in favor of going for it.
Or you can not get it, give the other team the ball at their 1yd line, immediately relieve some of their pressure with an encroachment penalty, then watch as they slowly drive the ball 99yds for a touchdown while converting on every 3rd down, including a 3rd and 18 where Stafford scrambled to pick it up.
/fuck me
September 28th, 2009 at 9:54 AM
starting QBs strike fear into opponents. Let’s hear ‘em.
Rivers
Manning
Brady
Brees
I can’t wait for 3-5 years down the line when these wispy spread offense dudes come in and spend their first three OTA’s learning how to properly take a center snap w/out breaking a finger, and their entire first season the learn proper footwork on how to drop back to pass
September 28th, 2009 at 9:55 AM
I lost by big imaginary parlay because of Cincinnati. I had the under in that one. The good news is, when you make imaginary wagers, you can bet Paolo points. I lost all 18 1/2. Now I’m Paolo broke, which is a good feeling.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Bengals definitely did not outplay the Steelers through 55 minutes yesterday, but Ginger Palmer put together a nice drive to close that game.
Based on the 40 or so people I had at my bar yesterday, DC is 60/40 against the skins. tons of cheers for the Lions yesterday
September 28th, 2009 at 9:56 AM
was this one lucky weekend or is he usually this good?
If he’s usually that good, he’s a miracle worker.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:56 AM
TBL – I emailed you the screenshot of the 15-0 week. It is all through Yahoo so no chance of cheating. This is the same kid who went 2-14 against the spread twice last year, almost impossible as well.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:57 AM
/fuck me
Just wait till you hear about Fat Albert being shut down for the year. That news will come some time today.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Hey, we’re just discussing the decision to go for it, not the incredibly shitty defensive show after the decision.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Good QBs all, but it’s silly not to include Ben among them.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Bengals definitely did not outplay the Steelers through 55 minutes yesterday, but Ginger Palmer put together a nice drive to close that game.
wait, I’m confused. Is that Big Ben you’re talking about or Palmer?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:00 AM
i’ll be mike singletary feels worse than even jim zorn this morning. they had that game won. stupid prevent defense.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:00 AM
starting QBs strike fear into opponents. Let’s hear ‘em.
Rivers
Manning
Brady
Brees
Stafford
/if every game was against the Skins’d
September 28th, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Not really.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:02 AM
comp % is one of the worst stats to rate a qb on. one of the most misleading stats.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Am I crazy for thinking Harrison is great for NBC? Isn’t he 92348392 times better than Tiki Barber and Jerome Bettis stuttering through a painful, overly-diplomatic, rehearsed bit? Love Dungy as well.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:04 AM
comp % is one of the worst stats to rate a qb on. one of the most misleading stats.
brady quinn got the hook yesterday while completing 75% of his passes, because he’s checkdown charlie. 6-8 for 34 yards, i think.
Derrick Anderson was stellar in relief, too.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:05 AM
How quickly they forget. From MMQB…
At the time I spoke to Vick, our NBC Football Night in America’ was preparing for the evening show, and I asked Vick if he wanted to say hello to Tony. “Tony who?” Vick said. And I said, ” Dungy.” Of course he wanted to say hi.
/i know he didn’t know King was with him, just thought it was funny
September 28th, 2009 at 10:05 AM
love him. great seeing him call out TO.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Tony my weed dealer? Tony from the bank, where I owe 8 million bucks?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Definitely. Check out YPA and TD/INT ratio if you wanna gauge a QB’s performance.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:06 AM
brady quinn got the hook yesterday while completing 75% of his passes, because he’s checkdown charlie. 6-8 for 34 yards, i think.
I tried like crazy to tell everybody this last night on here, but no one listened
September 28th, 2009 at 10:06 AM
Why the fuck would Tom Cruise be in Detroit for anything?
To buy the city and napalm it?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Something like 81% of Brady’s passes this year have been from the shotgun. If you haven’t noticed, the Patriots run a spread offense.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Tony Toni Tone…and DJ Quick.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Brady’s thrown almost 150 passes through three games and his YPA is barely over six. That can’t be what the Pats have in mind.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:11 AM
I tried like crazy to tell everybody this last night on here, but no one listened
I listened. That’s where I got the info.
Normally I wouldn’t complain, but I got hosed out of the Pats game yesterday, because Fox owned it, and my Fox affiliate is in the Giants media market. So I had to watch a lot of the Jets game against a team that doesn’t have the secondary for that miserable pass rush and vice versa, leaving the miserable where it is.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Something like 81% of Brady’s passes this year have been from the shotgun. If you haven’t noticed, the Patriots run a spread offense.
let me know when Graham Harrell makes the NFL, or when Bradford, McCoy etc play at a level anything like Brady. Pick another team/QB
September 28th, 2009 at 10:13 AM
He looked average yesterday against ATL. He missed some dudes who were wide open and he did it several times. On a side note, that pass interference call on Jenkins was bull shit. Had they not called a soft offensive PI call ATL might have won that game, though it is going to be a long season in ATL now that Jerry is done for the year. They have no one in the middle to stop any half-way decent run game.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:14 AM
His YPA is actually just under 6 at 5.9. And their YPC as a team is 3.6. They’re not terribly efficient.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:15 AM
Don’t tell Cowherd that, he has the Pats’ dick about six inches down his throat as we speak, er, type.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
When Colt Brennan was playing in the senior bowl all of the coaches were saying him and guys like him were miles behind othre quarterbacks because of the spread offense. so yeah, i’d say its an issue. and brady may take 80% of the snaps out of shotgun, but he can still take a snap and drop back without an issue.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
is that consistent with his record breaking year? i think that a lot of the shotgun for him is to take stress off his knee.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:20 AM
correct. also gives him a split second more reaction time against an incoming blitz, etc.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:22 AM
I had this game as a loss but I didn’t figure it would have been as much of a shit show as it was. Turner doesn’t fumble the ball and he coughs it up when we were already in FG range. Then you have the bullshit pass interference call. Atlanta most likely loses even with the touchdown but man, how do make that call? We got lucky with Brady missing several open wide receivers but the biggest concern was our inability to stop the run and/or rush the passer.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Regarding Campbell, he’s had like 8 million offensive coordinators even going back to his time at Auburn. Would be interesting to see him in a stable system that suits him. Not every QB suits a west coast system.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Here’s a good article on the proliferation of the shotgun in the NFL. The Pats lined up in the shotgun over 50% of the time in 2007, and last year, 3 teams did: Pats, Chiefs, and Cardinals.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:27 AM
but maybe he’s used to the consistency of his OC inconsistency.
did i just blow your mind? i think i did.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Who else have the Redskins had besides Al Saunders and Zorn?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:30 AM
yards per attp skewed in that crappy offense
September 28th, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Wait, that was a bullshit PI call? He had the DB in a arm-bar and pushed off him right? Both teams shot themselves in the foot, but Brady still has timing kinks to work out. I loved the Bronx cheer Galloway got for finally running a proper route and catching a ball yesterday.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:32 AM
how can they be skewed?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:33 AM
I think we can add Joe Flacco to the list of QB’s to fear.
/right, Spence?
//sincere
September 28th, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Although if Brady’s year progesses the same as Manning’s 2008, he could be right in it as well.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Who else have the Redskins had besides Al Saunders and Zorn?
it wasn’t Zorn last year. It was some guy from the Titans.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:37 AM
A little bit skewed I think, from playing from behind for much of the first two games.. their pass/run plays yesterday were close to 50/50.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:37 AM
dude…either of us could’ve thrown for what flacco did yesterday against that shitty browns D. the browns are the most putrid piles of shit ever in history.
any QB can look good with that running game and OL and 30 seconds to stare down WR’s against KC and cleveland. i’ll buy it when flacco doesn’t look like complete shit against a good defense.
/hanging on till the very end
September 28th, 2009 at 10:38 AM
True, but part of the reason Manning won in 2008 was that the Colts were 12-4 and the other two main candidates (Brees and Rivers) led mediocre regular-season teams, plus Adrian Peterson and Kurt Warner were both turnover machines. But yeah, if Brady catches fire in the second half and the Colts and Saints stumble some he certainly could win it.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Campbell is a good QB playing for a garbage franchise and offensive coordinators who have always told him to play it safe, don’t make mistakes etc. etc. He has looked his best this year when he has been calling his own plays in the two minute drills. I didn’t think anyone could be worse for him than Joe Gibbs and Al Saunders, but Zorn just may be.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Who else have the Redskins had besides Al Saunders and Zorn?
Sherman Smith, Al Saunders, Zorn, Bill Musgrave
September 28th, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Not sure how people can still be waiting on Campbell. He has shown a consistent inability to play well. People blame his poor decision making on having too many coordinators and systems and then blame his poor accuracy on not playing in the right system (and completion percentage does not prove accuracy, but rather receiver choice.) You can’t have it both ways. At least one of these multiple systems should haave been the right one for him to do well in. He just isn’t particularly good.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:41 AM
so what you’re saying is the redskins need to hire mike martz?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:41 AM
If anything, they’re not throwing it enough. With a YPC that’s that far below what they YPA is passing, they have to find a way to open up the run game. Throwing it a little more would help do that.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Totally, how can we bash the former/player coaches who refuse to criticize anybody, and then bash one who actually provides his unfiltered opinion, even if it is negative? Methinks TBL is just seeing this with Patriot-hating glasses here.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:46 AM
I’ll stand by what I said yesterday
103jpq1999 Says:
September 27th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
People always said Jason Campbell wasn’t good because he had to learn a new system every year. Well, this is his 2nd year in this one, and he makes JP Loss-Man look like Johnny U.
Maybe he just sucks? Too bad you can’t say that.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:47 AM
sounds like Colin Cowherd is buying the ravens: “They’re the best team in the league by 10 points. they don’t have a flaw.”
of note: rolled two of the worst teams in the league.
Harrison, i thought, was way off on campbell. the TO stuff i can understand.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:47 AM
so what you’re saying is the redskins need to hire mike martz?
Please… I’m already on suicide watch.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:48 AM
brady bashers: NO WES WELKER
guy was one of the league leaders in catching passes the last 2 yrs
September 28th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
They have a large one – they struggle defending the deep passing game. In the AFC, with the Chargers, Steelers, Pats and Colts, that’s a rather large flaw to have. Flacco’s looked great so far, but can he win a shootout against those teams? He’s done it against one so far, so maybe…
September 28th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
yawn…wake me when flacco goes against a real defense.
there’s their flaw right there.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Right now Manning is the only QB anyone should be “scared” to play, guy is playing some amazing football this year, his accuracy is unreal.
Lets slow down on the Ravens love, they haven’t played a real defense yet.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:49 AM
so what you’re saying is the redskins need to hire mike martz?
Please… I’m already on suicide watch.
There’s no better way to get rid of Jason Campbell. Mike Martz gets quarterbacks killed.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Oh, so missing your number two wide receiver can be used as an excuse now? Paging Anthony Gonzalez…
September 28th, 2009 at 10:50 AM
When did Jason Campbell become good? He wasn’t good in college, he hasn’t been worth a damn in the NFL (although yesterday wasn’t on him). You can say what you want about offensive coordinators, but Todd Collins was better last year than Campbell. They need to blow the whole deal up. They have an aging feature back, an average at best QB, and smurf WRs. Lots of needs.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Welker>>>>>A Gon
September 28th, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Because there’s no difference at all between Wes Welker and Anthony friggin Gonzalez.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:52 AM
the spread is not something new in the NFL. running out of shotgun definitely is.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Don’t forget, he is doing it with a mormon and some guy named Garcon… there is no fear…. he brings the certainty of doom to defenses.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:53 AM
what i actually meant.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Todd Collins didn’t play last year. Campbell was a beast at Auburn. Other than that, you may be close to having a point.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:54 AM
did i black out and miss two seasons were Gonzalez averages 111 catches and 1170 yards?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:55 AM
sucks that brady quinn isnt playing air force or stanford anymore. his 3 yard completions dont go for 25 like they used to. still amazed that anyone thought he was an nfl level qb.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
People want to blame Jason Campbell, even though the guy is hitting 68% and is throwing for 265 yards a game at 7.8 yards per attempt. Redskins fans are mind-boggling sometimes
September 28th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I think as you see more and more spread teams in college, you’ll see more and more spread/shotgun dominated offenses in the NFL. They’re going to be inundated with those types of players, so why not adapt the offense and take advantage of it?
September 28th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
i think the Ravens have looked good so far, and think right now that they’re better than the Steelers. but I have hope. O-line looked better, and they’re missing their best, most important defensive player. gotta win the close games to stay close until they can get right.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Hehe, didn’t take five minutes, that was fun. It’s going to take Brady half a season to get it all back, he’ll be fine.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:57 AM
but Todd Collins was better last year than Campbell.
Collins didn’t play last year, that was 2 years ago. And fuck Collins, he’s a backup for a reason. If I played in the Saunders system since birth I could look like a belong to.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Campbell was a beast at Auburn.
for one year.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:58 AM
collins would get killed this year behind that line, he has no mobility in the pocket.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Taking all my hatred for the guy out of it…
Rivers is only feared by the three teams he plays twice a season. You know… because they suck. Somehow I doubt that teams like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, NYG, or anyone with a good 4-5 man pass rush fear that guy. I don’t really think those teams “fear” anyone.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:00 AM
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Love to hear your definition of beast. Cadillac and Ronnie Brown were the reasons those teams were so good. And the fact that the defenses were ridiculously stacked.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
browns should trade quinn and their 1st round pick for todd collins
September 28th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
SC…thanks for beating PSU. it’ll help OSU’s SOS once the buckeyes thrash iowa come BCS time.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Fair enough. You get the point though. Todd Collins sucks, and was better than Campbell.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:02 AM
I wish the Bills never got rid of Todd Collins
September 28th, 2009 at 11:02 AM
And the fact that the defenses were ridiculously stacked.
And the defenses in the SEC that he was playing against weren’t? Campbell had two very good years and a let-down Junior year.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:02 AM
and they forced Brandon Jacobs to transfer.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I wish the Bills never got rid of Jim Kelly
a 48 y/o Jimbo would run a better offense
September 28th, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Considering Rivers already shredded them once this season…
September 28th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Not going to speak on that game yet. This week, we concentrate on beating Ark State, then, we home Michigan wins so that when I go back to IC for homecoming, GAMEDAY is there.
Spence, our defensive line looked impressive. And, our offensive line held a very good pass rush at bay for the majority of that game. We’re not a top 10 in the country by any stretch, but Ricky Stanzi is only getting better with each game.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Remind me… who won that game?
/Herm Edwards’d
//YOU PLAY TO WIN
September 28th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
but bsanders!!! SC took all his hate towards marmalard out of that statement!!!
September 28th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Sure, but two very good years does not a beast make. They were hands down the most talented team in the SEC too.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Something people should be more concerned with today is Clinton Portis. He looked slower than normal yesterday. I think his foot may really be fucked up. That would also explain why the Skins are carrying 4RBs right now. I love me some Clinton, but if he can’t break a 10yd run anymore, he needs to sit out and get healthy.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
First Team All SEC, SEC Offesnive Player of the Year, SEC Championship Game MVP, MVP of the Sugar Bowl, etc. etc.
//defined
September 28th, 2009 at 11:06 AM
go with Herman Edwards as your football authority. That makes your argument even less rational.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I can tell you who lost it. Norv Fucking Turner.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
darrell, you forgot to put “black.” You wouldn’t be so stridently defending him if he were a shitty white QB. And if you say you would, please let me point you to a few shitty white QB’s who could use your help.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
K-Gun, bitches!
September 28th, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Um…ok, I guess you got me there?
September 28th, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Marmalard > Jesus with Diabetes
September 28th, 2009 at 11:09 AM
DL did look impressive, tho it must be said that PSU’s OL is pony loaf as are their WR’s.
it’ll be sweet seeing iowa’s OL try and block OSU’s DL. i say try because OSU’s DL is a force to be reckoned with at this point going 9 deep. im absolutely giddy.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Except for there’s nothing for etc. etc. to stand for, because that’s it. He was never even an All American. Good to see you think one good year in college makes you a good QB. Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, and countless others thank you for your support.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
But, but, but what about the Sanchise?
September 28th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
pony loaf
mmmmm, almost lunchtime.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Simon is a beast!
September 28th, 2009 at 11:13 AM
SC, nice win for your boys. what did you think of the scene in state college? i love that town
September 28th, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Ok, if I have to be nitpicky… If you throw for 436 yards but your TD/INT is 2/2, is that really “shredding” a defense?
Gotta get 6, not 3. He might get the yardage, but the points are what counts.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:14 AM
dirt: you basically said what I wrote and deleted twice. +3
Alex Smith, Brady Quinn, Rex Grossman and Derek Anderson all suck, but Campbell doesn’t, and on what universe does JaMarcus Russell make the Raiders a better team than Jeff Garcia?
/new backspace key’d!!-lol
September 28th, 2009 at 11:15 AM
they all are, youngstown…they all are.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
That’s really a weak response considering that this whole thing started with you saying Campbell wasn’t shit at Auburn.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
…we’re not going to speak as to why I was watching from the I-Club in Crystal City and not State College at this point. Let’s just leave it at that.
Note to all: NEVER plan a football trip that involves a woman.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
simon is 8 or 9 on the list
September 28th, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I dont understand what Campbells college stats matter at this point, he’s been a starting QB in the NFL for almost 4 years now and has been at best average, and often downright bad. He’s a serviceable backup.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:17 AM
agreed..but for a freshman? Their Def. is scary good. If Heyward stays next year, look out.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
ouch, sorry dude.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Don’t forget Spence, Iowa has yet to play a game with our entire offensive line healthy and starting. Having Brian Bulaga back will only improve their play.
I still worry about our running game. But I like the idea of Iowa pressuring Pryor and forcing him into bad decisions. Little bit curious how we’re going to play against Michigan’s spread. However, I think we will slice through their non-existent defense with few problems.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:20 AM
The QB I defend the most on here and in person is Eli. But good of you to play the race card when confronted with facts. That’s the race card for real.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:21 AM
eli is black
September 28th, 2009 at 11:21 AM
You should have typed it, then I would have responded with Campbell being better than all of them, which he is.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:21 AM
Pretty sure that most of the blame for the underperformance of that team was laid at his feet. Then out came the apologists, with the offensive coordinator carousel excuses, hence the awards listed. And believe me, having two running backs that were top 5 draft picks certainly helps make your team better, and your QB better. They could have put just about anyone at QB, and been as good as they were.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:24 AM
here’s why i love that bucket of failure that is the Washington Redskins: if Jason Campbell is terrible this year, they’ll get rid of him, and he’ll be a busted first rounder and it will be 5 wasted years. if he is great, he’s going to sign elsewhere, since they tried to get Cutler and Sanchez and basically told him they didn’t think much of him this offseason, and it will be 5 wasted years.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:24 AM
michigan’s defense…lol.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:24 AM
So you’re saying he’s the best backup of that poo poo platter of backups?
Well then I agree.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:25 AM
i realize this, buddy. my main point is that he’s getting a lot of PT under Tressel as a true freshman..
September 28th, 2009 at 11:27 AM
BINGO. Campbell is NOT the real problem. Sure, he’s inconsistent, but he is capable of leading a team to the playoffs. They can’t run the ball. Portis is done. The backups are below average.
All that said, they should still beat Tampa Bay.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:27 AM
brady quinn doesn’t belong on that list…he’s not even good enough to be a backup.
but he’s the best looking emergency/practice squad QB in the NFL fo sho.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:28 AM
oh i thought your point was that hes from youngstown so he must be awesome
September 28th, 2009 at 11:28 AM
You forgot to add the /Limbaugh’d tag.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:30 AM
even more so.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:31 AM
i hate the school he came from, they are actually my old high school’s rival. but anyone who is that big and strong deserves some credit. did you read the article in the plain dealer about him last week?
September 28th, 2009 at 11:31 AM
coop: that basically is my point, yes
September 28th, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Darryl Clark proved that to be false.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:33 AM
I dont understand what Campbells college stats matter at this point, he’s been a starting QB in the NFL for almost 4 years now and has been at best average, and often downright bad. He’s a serviceable backup.
He has two complete starting seasons under his belt, no where near 4. He’s much better than a serviceable backup. QBs i’d take ahead of him at this point: Brees, Brady, that douche in Pitt, both Manning faces, Rodgers, Rivers, and McNabb.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
Fact
September 28th, 2009 at 11:35 AM
that douche in Pitt
Limas Sweed? i hate that douche too
September 28th, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Your pretty sures have proven to be not good enough. Most of it was laid at the feet of Tubberville, which is why they went after an more offensive minded coach in Petrino.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:39 AM
It would be much simpler to list the QB’s I wouldn’t take over him.
1. Anyone on the Browns, Raiders, Bucs
2. Jake Delhomme
September 28th, 2009 at 11:41 AM
raiders and browns should swap qbs just for the hell of it
September 28th, 2009 at 11:42 AM
That is just not accurate. He’s been average. He hasn’t been downright bad. At times, he’s been really good.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Daryl Clark is a fucking Fraud. Dont you ever forget that.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:46 AM
anything interesting?
September 28th, 2009 at 11:52 AM
it was just down right fascinating, duder..
September 28th, 2009 at 11:56 AM
I think the point here is that Jason Campbell as your starting quarterback will not win you anything. If thats the case then the Redskins need to start over and if they do they can’t have Campbell taking 3 years to figure out a new system. Why is it that guys thrive in the 1st year of a new system, but Campbell needs 2 years to figure it out? If was a good quarterback he would have figured out these systems, it’s not rocket science.
He’s average and average doesn’t win you anything unless the parts around you are amazing. And those teams are few and far between in the NFL.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Exacly rs27, Campbell is good for 5 yards on 3rd and 8 and 3 points when you’re down 4. He’s just good enough to lose.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:12 PM
oh, late point on Campbell/harrison: my use of completion % was based what harrison said.
“inconsistent” is inaccurate to describe campbell, IMO. up for debate, obvs but still ….
September 28th, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Late post just to state how much of a pu$$y move this quote truly was.
September 28th, 2009 at 4:44 PM
so a I a racist or a pussy darrell? Or both. Yikes.
September 29th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
inarticulate?
September 30th, 2009 at 1:33 PM
Late to the argument between Dirtheavy and Darrell here, but worth posting here too:
http://thebiglead.com/?p=22762#comment-516763