The Roundup: The Worst Parking Job, Ever
College Football, Former Athletes, Jason Whitlock, NBA, NFL, NHL, Politics October 29th. 2009, 8:00am
Kate Beckinsale … strategic cramping plagues tennis! …singer killed by coyotes while hiking … idiots use permanent marker, rob apartment, are easily identified … car winds up in bed with couple, they somehow survive (insane photos) … bizarre: Man defects from South Korea to North Korea … pirates on Lake Erie? … if you like whiskey – who doesn’t? - this read is for you … neat story about the Michigan marching band …
Rookie Josh Freeman has been named starter for Tampa’s next game against the Packers. (Joe Bucs Fan)
Steph Curry’s debut, because there was no room in Ballin’: 14 points, seven assists in 35 minutes. Don Nelson really, really likes him, which is great. If he’s only like Anthony Randolph, maybe the Warriors would be decent. (Mercury News)
The coolest thing, by far, that Arnold Schwarzenegger has done in office. (SFBG Politics)
Sidney Crosby registered his third career hat trick last night. (Post-Gazette)
Congressman calls USC’s Taylor Mays a headhunter. (LA Times)
How can Joe Montana and Jerry Rice not be among the NFL’s best players over the last 30 years? (Sparty and Friends)
This woman isn’t exactly thrilled with Jason Whitlock’s take on “Pussy Galore.” (Salon)
Chiefs suspend Larry Johnson for two weeks. (KC Star)
This one’s easy – you boo Favre Sunday. (Keep the Fires Burning)
NHL linesman Pat Dapuzzo, who was cut in the face by the skate of a player in Feb. 2008, suffered from depression after the incident. (Fanhouse)
NBA fans need to acquaint themselves with Idan Ravin. (SI)
After Rex Ryan said Mark Sanchez “disrespected the game and opponent” by eating a hot dog, the No. 1 pick donated 500 hot dogs and hamburgers to a soup kitchen in New Jersey. (NYDN)
The worst parking job ever captured on video? Supposedly, it is real.
Well played, Kimmel.
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October 29th, 2009 at 8:04 am
It’s real. It happened a few minutes away from my office.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:06 am
I was just looking up the associated story of her arrest.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:10 am
but they are among the best…just not the top 10.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:13 am
How can Joe Montana and Jerry Rice not be among the NFL’s best players over the last 30 years?
Must’ve never seen them play, since it was part of his criteria.
Jimmy Kimmel is the best late night host right now.
Good to see A-Rod come crashing down to earth last night.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Strongly agree on Montana.
Emphatically disagree on Rice.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am
have to be top 10, sparty. have to be.
Another Dirt Heavy-laden roundup. remember to email in issues/problems/props. tomorrow is his last “practice” day.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am
congrats Sparty, that is the single dumbest comment ever on this site.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am
but they are among the best…just not the top 10.
I’m sorry, but you are on some serious crack if you don’t think Jerry Rice is one of the top 10 NFL players from the last 30 years. He maybe the greatest football player ever. I mean, C’mon. He holds every meaningful receiving in NFL history, he has 3 SB rings, no one worked as hard on or off the field as Rice, and he was the most precison(sp) route runner ever.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am
i knew most if not all people would disagree with me on rice.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Hey Sparty, try putting some linemen on your fancy list. Just pitch Anthony Munoz, Dermotti Dawson or Bruce Matthews on there. Guys like that are pretty impossible to refute.
Two of those guys have huuuge holes in their game. (deion and DT)
October 29th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Rice is maybe the greatest NFL players OF ALL TIME! Montana is a top three QB of ALL TIME! Not just the last 30 years.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
I’d put Rice on there ahead of Derrick Thomas
October 29th, 2009 at 8:20 am
congrats, Dirt. will you get to pick the pictures as well? if so, one suggestion: try to find the pics of girls where they don’t look like an alien or like they have a fivehead.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:20 am
an October evening where A-Rod went 0-4 with 3 k’s, all is back to normal in the world.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:21 am
You put two running back on there, and neither was Eric Dickerson..so I disagree
You put three QB’s on there, and I disagree with Tom Brady being so high up the list
You put two outside linebackers on there, and one of them didn’t have a complete defensive game.
You didn’t choose the best cornerback of the 90’s, much less the last 30 years.
No offensive linemen, no interior defensive linemen, no Ronnie Lott.
Otherwise, great list. Honestly 10 is too few for a list like that. You’re just asking for trouble.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
I’d put a lot of people over Derrick Thomas:
Rice should no lower then #2. How about Emmitt Smith? Marshall Faulk?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
No Top 10 all time list without Marty Booker is just plain silly.
The Rice not in the Top 10 is rehab worthy.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
hard to argue against the records, except that he played on a team that executed an offensive philosophy better than anyone, ever, and that team was able to maintain the talent (QB, Offensive Line, other skill positions) for years thanks to cap manipulation. Super Bowl rings? Well, Lynn Swann has four, does that put him in the Top 10 of receivers? how hard he worked has nothing to do about whether or not he is a great player. there are guys who work hard as shit that only sniff crotch of the 4th guy on a depth chart. the most precise route runner ever is steve largent.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:24 am
this I wrestled with, along with Brady. Rice is sitting pretty at 11.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:25 am
really?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Woman drivers
October 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
congrats, Dirt. will you get to pick the pictures as well?
I get to suggest them. But everybody does. Anybody who wants to can send TBL a picture of a celeb (minor or major) who is not a porn star, who is not wearing a bikini.
I assure you he doesn’t mind. If you send in a set of pictures, though, he’s going to put up the one of her standing sideways, so she looks bizarre. Or he’ll pick a picture of the sexiest adult woman in the world, and that picture will be her wearing a smock, as above.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Three of those guys have huuuge holes in their game. (deion and DT)
Barry Sanders should be on the Mount Rushmore of Overly Appreciated (won’y say over-rated). Great, but #1 on your list and #1 on many all-time rushing lists? No way. Moss is also too high at #4 for the amount of plays/games/seasons he puts on cruise control.
/yeah, I said it
October 29th, 2009 at 8:28 am
just proving my point. only buffalo bills and dallas cowboys fans ever have a problem with barry.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Bullshit – no one did more with less than Barry. If he’d have been on the Dallas teams that Emmitt played on he likely would have had multiple 2k yard seasons.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am
re: top 10 NFl list
Derrick Thomas shouldn’t be on there. You can’t say someone is top 10 in the history of the league and then say
.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:32 am
wilhelm-that was showing the glaring difference between him and LT, because they both were relentless as pass rushers.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Nuggets’ Anthony…calls him Crouton because “[Idan] rhymes with crouton, but he’s a lot cooler than a regular cracker”)
Awesome.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:34 am
just proving my point. only buffalo bills and dallas cowboys fans ever have a problem with barry.
says the kid growing up in a powder blue Sanders jersey.
What Buffalo Bill did I suggest, btw? none (although Bruce would have been the closest out of Kely, Thurman and him).
Thurman and Marshall Faulk would have been tough to distinguish, so you went with the youtube guy who had lots of negative runs and no pass catching skills
October 29th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Payton is an odd choice since you miss a few of his prime years with the 30 year limit (or was it not supposed to work like that?) plus he is low on the per game basis, except carries which is why he probably looked better than he is.
Also you mention consistency as a factor, take a look at Rice v Moss and who had multiple sub 1000 yard seasons in the prime of their career? Rice also would get an edge just because he has more years in that 30 year period. (you say Rice lost points for playing with a better offense but I see Moss’s qb in the top 10 not Rice’s)
October 29th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Happens all the time…
October 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
I’m a giant fan. what are you talking about?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Derrick Thomas?!?!?!?!? Um, Jerry Rice over him on that list in a violent landslide.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Also, Cliff Lee deserves to be on there.
/Phillies Phan’d
//Twitter’d
///Kill me’d
October 29th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I would have loved to have seen Rice put up huge numbers with Andrew Walter, Aaron Brooks and Marques Tuiasosopo as his QB.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:38 am
sparty, i think you make the argument against DT being in the top ten in the last 30 years. you could easily make the argument a guy like Bruce Smith should take DT’s place as top 10 last 30 years.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:39 am
what about jonathon ogden? Pretty much the most dominant tackle ever…
October 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am
I don’t recall Moss doing anything with them either – but at least Rice would’ve TRIED to do something.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am
So Rice was only great because of Montana. And Montana was only great because of Rice. But neither were really great. Totally got it.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Rice was the quintessential West Coast offense WR. Without him Montana AND Steve Young wouldn’t be wearing the SB rings they currently have.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Picking 10 best players out of the last 30 years is a hard thing to do. I can’t disagree with that list, but I can’t agree with it either.
I think Rice is missing from that list for sure and I’m feeling pretty good that Montana should be there too.
I know Montana had Rice. I get that. Montana has four Superbowl rings as well. I just don’t know how you leave Montana and Rice off the list.
I agree with Sanders #1 to a point. Had he played a couple more seasons and not just quit, I’d 100% agree I’m sure.
So I’d insert Montana and Rice in there somewhere, the only one though I don’t like being in the top 10 is Neon Deon. Great cover guy, larger than life personality, one of the best ever – but greatest “football players” in the last 30? Doubtful.
It’s a hard job to write that article though, ten players out of the last 30 is tough.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
this is what is funny about top 10 lists. if you omit someone (like the 10 i have listed as honorable mention) people act as if there was this huuuuge drop between 10 and 11.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
So I have no clue who won last night, but since all these yankee fans around here aren’t being total douchebags I’m going to guess the Phillies won.
/science
October 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
what about jonathon ogden? Pretty much the most dominant tackle ever…
This is why Sparty made the list in the first place. Believe it or not, football was played and dominated prior to this generation of players.
Sparty just failed to mention any offensive linemen. You can’t even imagine how many times Anthony Munoz was called the best offensive tackle ever while he played. (also, you probably can’t imagine that the Bengals used to be good).
October 29th, 2009 at 8:45 am
a season with 1000 yards and 8 TDs is nothing?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:46 am
As Buffalo Bills fan, I have no beef w/ Barry Sanders. Probably the greatest RB of all time. Like someone pointed out above, he did way more w/ less.
It amazes how you just poo-pooed Rice’s whole career. If you wanna forget his work ethic, or his route running that’s fine, but his numbers speak for themselves. But to say you wanna see his numbers w/ Andrew Walter has is QB is just dumb. I don’t know what they would be b/c he never played with him. Was Rice in a great system? Of course he was, but so was John Taylor and his numbers pale in comparison to what Rice did.
Jerry Rice is probably the greatest football player ever. ’nuff said.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:47 am
says the kid growing up in a powder blue Sanders jersey.
I’m a giant fan. what are you talking about?
sparty: I know you are. I guess I just figured growing up in MI you would have been a big Lions (or at least Sanders fan)
October 29th, 2009 at 8:47 am
So Rice was only great because of Montana. And Montana was only great because of Rice. But neither were really great. Totally got it.
/+1
October 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
no, they were great. it isn’t like there is huge talent gap between who i think were the top 10 and the next 10.
and dirt, i hear you on the linemen and agree. I debated including a couple. but hard to write a paragraph about anthony munoz pancaking guys. i probably should have at least included him and others on my honorable mention.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
id put willie roaf on there in front of ogden.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
That’s honolulu blue to you, jpq.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Ah, it’s one man’s list…but as I’ve been watching the game over the same 30 years I would strongly disagree with any list that didn’t include the best QB and WR (sorry Tom and Randy) of the era.
Sparty, how old are you? Asking because if you only know Montana as a Jet or Rice as a Raider you might not quite be getting the picture of how dominant they were at their positions. Great blog by the way.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
shockingly,i only go to see him half the the time thanks to blackout rules. the Lions could never sell out a damn home game.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Good call Dirt. I just quick jumped in with Ogden, but Munoz may have the better argument.
Also, I know everyone seems to be so ok with Sanders being #1, but I have an issue with that. One major problem with Sanders was he could absolutely kill a drive himself because he rarely pushed forward for a couple yards. Basically you got out of him 1 yard, -3 yards, 0 yards, 18 yards, 0, -2, 1, 65. That’s all well and good, but their offense always had to compensate for being in 3rd and long CONSTANTLY.
He was an absolute freak, but I’d take sweetness on my team over him any day of week.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:50 am
took all of ten minutes for the yankees fans at work to bitch about cliff lee and talk about what a terrible person he is b/c he caught an easy pop up and made it look easy. guess they’re just used to Jeter making easy plays look hard as hell.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
That’s honolulu blue to you, jpq.
tk: never good at nailing down the true Crayola name, unfortunately-lol
October 29th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Montana as a Jet
Huh? You mean Chief. Favre = Jets. Montana = Chiefs.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:53 am
he had no fucking talent around him outside of herman moore…what do you expect him to do? block for himself? take 8 guys out of the box by throwing?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I am 30. I know that brings into question at least 3 years. but I can remember as far back as the Fins getting obliterated by the 49ers offense without Jerry Rice in the Super Bowl. I know that I saw enough of Payton to know how good he was. I saw all of Jerry Rice’s career.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:53 am
@wilhelm: I liked the catch by Lee. Who knew he was such a pimp? But your Jeter joke is uncalled for. He was 3-for-4 off the newest living legend.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Dirt is a made man now? Congratulations. Hope you don’t end up like Tommy Devito.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am
I’d actually credit Bill Walsh. He believed that the system made the offense great, and you could plug players in, but on defense, players made the difference.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Fuck my life. Not only do I have my appendix taken out, but I then developed a urinary tract infection. Holy shit that burns like a mother. If anyone has ever wondered what pissing razor blades feels like, just get a UTI.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Pull a ‘Randy Moss’ and mope, then he would be more deserving to be on the top of the list?
October 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am
how could you bitch about that? that was hilarious.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am
My brain fart. I was thinking of the old EA commercial that showed Montana switching into a Jets uni.
It’s early and I’m not firing on all cylinders…
October 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am
The worst parking job ever captured on video? Supposedly, it is real.
amazing that the guy who parked on a sleeping couple wasn’t even the worst driver in this roundup.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am
did you read the list of QBs handing him the ball? forget 8 in the box, how about 9 at times.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Spencer: I’m not even remotely saying he wasn’t sick as can be. I’m just saying even with a real solid o-line, that wasn’t ever going to be his style as a runner. I’ll take a guy who after two bad runs still has my O in 3rd and 4 versus 3rd and 11. I’m guessing that O would have looked quite a bit better with that.
That being said, Sweetness is the ONLY one I’d take over Sanders.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Derrick Thomas sacking Dave Krieg 7 times in one game was great, and fun to watch. But definitely a forgettable player.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:58 am
@TSH: take it easy it’s just a dig at Jeet’s fielding, not his hitting, which he’s always been pretty good with.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:58 am
We’re not really doing the Montana was great because of Rice/Rice was great because of Montana thing are we? I’ve heard the same thing about Bradshaw/Swann & Stallworth for years. Exceedingly dumb…
October 29th, 2009 at 8:58 am
cleveland fans.
/gun in mouth
//fuck you dolans
October 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Are you high? He had Scott Mitchell!
/Darrell
October 29th, 2009 at 8:59 am
its nice to see you recognize rod woodson, but he really was a better player than deion. all-around, more complete corner.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
neither of those guys were great.
we never saw barry with a solid OL. we don’t know what he’d do if he was gifted a line like emmitt smith was.
watch out…i think jim brown is going to push you over a railing.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
and then getting 6 in another. 4 in another, 4 in another again, 3 in one game on multiple occasions as well.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Steve Young was a better QB and played the position at a higher level than Joe Montana. His teams weren’t as good and the teams (cough, Cowboys) he played against were more dominant. But Montana > Brady. And Rice has to be on there if Moss is. Moss is way, way more talented and dominant than Rice and Marvin Harrison, but they were way, way more productive and consistent, which is what you want in an employee if you’re a coach, GM, team owner.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
forget 8 in the box, how about 9 at times.
either you guys dont’ know what the box is, or you don’t understand the run and shoot. Barry Sanders played almost exclusively in the run and shoot. 4 wide receivers. The goal of that was to keep only 6 in the box, so that when they ran it, he would have to face so many linebackers.
Where I really want to see Sanders is behind Peyton on the stretch play. Who I really want to see behind the Cowboys O-line that emmitt ran behind is Eric Dickerson. That man could hit a hole.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:01 am
@wilhelm: you’re mistaking my tone as serious.
As for Rice – he defined the position of WR, Thomas just tried to be LT. It’s shouldn’t even be up for debate.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
he had no fucking talent around him outside of herman moore…what do you expect him to do? block for himself? take 8 guys out of the box by throwing?
the same dumb argument over and over. When did Jim McMahon, Willie Gault and Dennis McKinnie ever become Montana, Rice and John Taylor?
I guess catching 100+ balls/year didn’t help stretch the field for Sanders by at least keeping the D somewhat honest.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Rice has to be in the top-10.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
but teams never respected the run and shoot, at least detroit’s version.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
@tsh: misfiring with my serious tone detection again…damnit. i wasn’t really apologetic anyway.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
still…it’s better than andre ware, scott mitchell, etc. etc. what other WR was there besides herman moore that was worth a shit?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
detroit only ran the run n shoot for barry’s first few years.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Man, I wish I could see that list of top NFL players… firewall and all. Sounds like I’d probably have an aneurysm if I saw it.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I was never a fan of Deion, but I can’t totally discount his athleticism. I do think a defensive player should actually have the ability to tackle, though.
And, I liked Woodson, but I always felt Mel Blount was the superior corner.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
This is funny.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
but teams never respected the run and shoot, at least detroit’s version.
so they left 2 receivers wide open, not covering them at all, just to “stack the box” against a formation with no fullback or tight end.
In this instance, you’re off base.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
This whole Rice argument brings up one of pet peeves, especially when the MS (ESPN) wants to blow a QB–showing his highlights of TD passes or crediting him when the WR did most of the work. short throws to receivers mean the receiver had to do most of the work, and by the way, all the bodily-harm risk was on the WR on those crossing or slant patterns.
and i’d take faulk or dorsett or bo bo bo jackson over any of the RBs, for one game
October 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
MSM
October 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
hardly. you can run commit without leaving guys uncovered.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Jim Brown was epic. I would grudgingly (because I think he’s a douche as a human being) grant him the top spot, though he was obviously before my time.
Best RB I ever saw was Barry Sanders. I say this as I can’t honestly say I saw a lot of Bears games when Payton was at the top of his game.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Psh, those two-yard screens and three-yard slants Welker turns into nine- and 11-yard gains are all Tommy.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
that would be good, a list of skill position guys you would take if you had to win one game, so careers are not a factor.
/please endorse by taking part
October 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I assume you mean it’s funny because, pre-coffee, I was misremembering Montana in a Jets uniform. I made a mistake, damnit! You don’t have to humiliate me!
October 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am
a short throw to a WR is worthless unless it’s ontime and hits the WR in stride.
right derek anderson?
/fuck you randy lerner
October 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Spencer… I meant in this list of the past 30 years.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I know I’d like to forget that Ronnie Lott played for the Jets.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am
fsho. my mistake.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
bsanders, you’ve got me thinking again
how about a list of all-white skill position team, say last 30 years?
quickly–RB craig james (who else is there?), WR ed mccaffrey, TEs are easy, I’ll go with Chmura, QBs are easy, too, I’ll go with Young (running skills give him edge)
/first onen to cry racist is absolutely no fun
October 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
hardly. you can run commit without leaving guys uncovered.
That’s different than stacking the box, which was your original argument. You had 9 guys in the box not 15 minutes ago.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
i never said 9. i said 8…just consider it me getting my merrill hoge on.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
spence, who’s doing all the work. yes, a pass has to be mostly on target, but that’s outweighed by risk, catch and elusiveness/speed
October 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
NOOOO!!!!!
/underage babysitter’d
October 29th, 2009 at 9:17 am
and, the adjustments a good WR makes on DB placement is a factor too
October 29th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Mark Chmura wasn’t really all that good. Can we run a two-fullback offense?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
No, it was funny because you put Sparty on blast as some kid that doesn’t know about Rice and Montana’s 49er days. But the Montana as a Jet thing was amusing, too. We’ve* all had typos.
*except me
October 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
the WR. but it’s like a car…it doesn’t matter how fast it is unless the key is there to get it started. in this case, the key is the accurate pass. without that, a short pass is completely and utterly a waste of time.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Again, the system creates those opportunities. Welker’s not breaking a ton of tackles or making 3 or 4 guys miss.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Did you folks see the Chmura comments on the 96 Pack and these Vikes, because of favre’s comments?
Surprised there was no TBL post on Pack-Vikes hype, esp. with yesterday’s comments. some old-timer smack talk.
Favre says this vikes team is more talented than any he’s been on, and among other 96 Packers, Chmura said that Favre’s play these days is one of the reasons favre can’t make that comment
October 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
i never said 9. i said 8…just consider it me getting my merrill hoge on.
You’re still wrong. But you don’t have to admit it. I’m not gonna make you. Besides, we should be picking on Sparty, and Derrick stupid Thomas.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Yes, yes he is. Every play.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:21 am
yes, spence, someone has to throw the ball. how about we do this: i’m right and you;re just grasping now?
cool
October 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am
na, i’ll admit i was offbase.
but yea…derrick thomas? get outta here. put ray lewis on there instead of him.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
ok bsanders, if not chmura, then, who? shockey, boss, oooh, dallas clark, but does he block, too? if we count hispanics as white, then of course gonzalez. i know as a hispanic, i check white when asked on whatever form
yes, you can have two fullbacks, so rathman and who else? someone with a german name, right?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
howabout this…watch a browns game, watch WR’s run a bunch of short routes and get tackled for a 1 yard gain because they had to make adjustments to catch a poorly thrown ball.
if the pass is good, you’re absolutely right. but i don’t even know what the fucking argument is…i just made a throwaway comment cuz i just got all caffeinated.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
are the steroids that Welker’s surely taking considered the fuel in said car’s tank?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Jason Witten’s better than all those guys except Tony G, who’s not white, so I’ll go with him. Crank up the Alstott.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Matt Suhey?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
jay novacek? jason witten? dwight clark? mark bavaro?
those are a few good places to start.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
strike that hispanic, white check on forms. i think there’s a white, non-hispanic box, and the implication is that if you’re hispanic you’re also white
//i just made this not fun, sorry
October 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Didn’t mean what I said to be derogatory to Sparty in any way. I don’t know how old all the posters are though, and I would imagine if one was in their twenties they would have a hard time fathoming that there might be a better QB than Brady or a WR superior to Moss.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:27 am
If you’re talking about white WRs, how about Dwight Clark? Has he been mentioned.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am
mark bavaro?
That guy was a serious badass.
psst.. spence…. dwight clark was a wide receiver.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am
im in my 20’s.
peyton >>> brady
but i’d take moss over rice by a hair. i like the deep ball.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Pedro seems like a pretty cool guy
October 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Very true. I was just looking at the QB stats since 1978 and somebody who never saw Montana play in his prime could look at the numbers and say that somebody like Phillip Rivers was better.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
god damnit.
whatever…i need more coffee.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am
That cracked me up.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Wow, lots of TEs. The top of my head is not a smart place.
Spence, we’re not paying any attention here to poor QB play. Assuming a competent, non Cleveland QB, the WR does most of the work. i’ll stop—coffee is part of my day every day, but no longer affects me
/i like it black hot strong wet
October 29th, 2009 at 9:30 am
The play he made against the Niners in 86(?), when he dragged about five guys should be replayed every day on the NFL Network. It was awesome.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:33 am
vezina…i already said you’re right. what more do you want from me?
October 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Montana was ridiculously effective. For anyone who watched the NFL in the 80s, he’s the gold standard. I like Peyton and Brady (and Ben!), but I can’t put them at his level. Yet.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:37 am
For anyone who watched the NFL in the 80s, he’s the gold standard.
There’s not more than 10 of us that comment who did. A whole of these dudes were born in the 80’s.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:37 am
vezina…i already said you’re right. what more do you want from me?
um, how about a job? the kids are getting to me like a chinese water torture
October 29th, 2009 at 9:37 am
of any of em, i’d put peyton there…but you do have a point, he does need another ring to truly be on montana’s level in a historic sense.
but as a football player, i’d say peyton is the greatest QB to ever live.
/said as a 25 year old arrogant know it all
October 29th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I think Montana suffers from being a guy who just went about his business. He didn’t run around for 2 minutes to throw a 15 year completion like Elway and he’s not the gunslinger like Favre. Montana was just unbelievably effective and precise at running the QB position. I definitely think Brady is the closest to that Montana-type of game but obviously we get to watch Brady now while Montana’s been retired for a few years. And plus, people forget those Chiefs years were he showed at a later stage that he would have been great in his prime with or without Rice/Walsh.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Agreed.
October 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Cleveland, tell me how my ass taste. Again, and again, and again.
/#7′d
October 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
That story about Shackleton’s abandoned scotch. I love whiskey, it flows through my veins.
/wishes it was 5pm.
October 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
can’t do scotch, even fine stuff, like sheep dip. love me some bourbon
October 29th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
That’s funny. My freshman year roommate was a Clevelander who HATED John Elway more than cancer! Not too fond of Michael Jordan either.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Moss greater than Rice, in what effing world would that be true?
Elway over Montana is crap. He was the third best qb of his era(behind Montana and Marino). Can’t really argue against either Brady or Peyton being ahead of Joe Cool, but not Elway.
Neither Deion Sanders nor Derrick Thomas belong on this list. Rod Woodson was a better CORNER than Deion. Just not as flashy. DT was a great pass rusher, but really not much better than Pat Swilling, Greg Lloyd, or any other one dimensional LB of that time.
Might have to leave Sweetness off because his first three or four seasons wouldn’t count.
A LOT of your top 10 was physical attributes, not production. Just because Moss is a FREAK, and Deion was FAST. That doesn’t they are the greatest of all time.
top ten last 30 years
10. Brett Favre(over Montana and Elway. Disgusting I know, but has to be done)
5. Rod Woodson
2. Reggie White
4. Lawrence Taylor
3. Barry Sanders
1. Jerry Rice
6. Peyton Manning
8. Ronnie Lott
7. Tom Brady
9. Bruce Smith