France Beating Ireland: It was the Ref’s Fault, Not Thierry Henry
Soccer, Video, World Cup November 19th. 2009, 12:00pmThierry Henry controlled the ball with his hand. He flicked it to William Gallas who headed it into the net. The goal, scored in extra time, sent France to the World Cup. On the surface it’s an unrequited romantic narrative. The heroic Irish were felled by dastardly Frenchman. The incident played firmly into prominent stereotypes and, unsurprisingly, the media reaction was harsh.
Henry missed his chance to be a hero. He should have eschewed sporting protocol, admitted his malfeasance to the world and pleaded with the referee to disallow the goal. Not doing so stains his legacy. He’s “an insincere cheat who has tarnished his reputation for good.”
The English consider themselves honest and virtuous, whether they are kicking an opponent or strapping Indian soldiers to canons. Henry is the nefarious other, a continental and a cheat. The English would never tolerate playing like his sort. Not quite.
England played West Germany in the 1966 World Cup Final. The game goes into extra-time tied 2-2. Geoff Hurst shoots. It bounces off the cross bar. It never crosses the goal line. English players insist the ball went in. The goal is awarded. England win the World Cup.
Michael Owen scores his wonder goal against Argentina in 1998. He scores because he dove to win a penalty earlier. The Argentine defenders pull out of challenges because they fear him doing it again.
Wayne Rooney is a diver. Steven Gerrard is a diver. One of the filthiest teams on record, Don Revie’s Leeds United, deceived and swindled their way to two league titles. The English were so outraged they made Revie England manager in 1974 and still romanticize those teams.
“Continental” and “Latin” players are not dirtier. They receive more media scorn when they do something dirty.
Henry cheated. The handball was dishonest. He committed a foul. But, it was the referee who made the mistake by not seeing it. When a defender hacks someone down in the box, he does not leap up immediately and call for a penalty if one isn’t awarded. Henry’s action was no different. When fortune favors you in sports or in life, you run with it.
The incident should be a call for video replay and ways to improve refereeing, not an excuse to play up stereotypes and tar and feather a talented Frenchman.
Feel for the Irish, but don’t lament for them. The team did not deserve to go to the World Cup. They played cynical, defensive anti-soccer throughout qualification, leaving arguably their two most talented attacking players out of the squad. They won four games, against the bottom two teams in the group. They played to draw everyone else 0-0. It was effective, but artless.
The Irish showed pluck in Paris. Their fans are fervent. But, their team has no business being there. Their desperation was desperation of their own making. There will now be three matches without Ireland at next summer’s World Cup. Those three matches now have a chance to be watchable.
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November 19th, 2009 at 12:02 PM
The video doesnt work. Also, of course they ranted and claimed the ball went in, it’s the world cup final.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:03 PM
He should have eschewed sporting protocol, admitted his malfeasance to the world and pleaded with the referee to disallow the goal
What fantasy world do you live in?
It was effective, but artless.
I forgot style points count.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
WHAT?!?!? Are you serious? I don’t know one person that would be playing their national sport where the country hinges on the result saying it was a bad call. Shouldn’t Henry have told the officials he was offside? Actually why not earlier in the game say he mae a late tackle and should have been yellow carded? Where does it end.
Why didn’t Melky Cabrera tell the ump Joe Mauer’s fly ball was fair? Or Cano or Posado tell the ump they were both tagged out? Thats cheating too.
I never though Ty Duffy could get on a higher moral horse,but he’s done it. Congrats.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
i feel like i just read a mel gibson screenplay with all this english hate
November 19th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Seriously, dude. WTF? On the surface, it’s a blown call that screwed Ireland over. That’s it.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
I think it’s fair to say England got its comeuppance in regards to dirty playing when Maradona and the Hand of God goal robbed them of a World Cup title.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:09 PM
England is a bunch of whiners. They whined about Rooney being sent off in 2006, and they’re whining again, as expected!
Get over yourselves you British baaaaastards.
/ British accent’d
November 19th, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Feel for the Irish, but don’t lament for them.
Notre Dame post?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Did Dwyane Wade admit the following with 1.8 seconds left in game 5 of the NBA finals in 2006? First, I went backcourt to get the ball, then I shoved one guy out of bounds for an offensive foul, then I drove the basket on three guys, none of whom touched me, and I missed it. So please take back your whistle Mr Salvatore, and award Dallas the ball.
No, he was hailed as a hero by David Stern himself.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:13 PM
this isnt the same thing as getting a wrong question scored right on a math test and telling the teacher, its a world cup qualifier.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Thiery Henry was unstoppable in Fifa 07.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Rs I’m pretty sure duffy isn’t arguing that henry should have done that. Rather he’s pointing out the hypocrisy of the English media ( I hope)
November 19th, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Can’t wait for the Hollywood version of the incident, where Daniel Day-Lewis plays the heroic Irish star and Jean Reno plays the evil Frenchman.
/while we’re on stereotypes
November 19th, 2009 at 12:16 PM
ESPN wants me to kill myself. Front page story on Brandon Jennings.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Can’t wait for the Hollywood version of the incident, where Daniel Day-Lewis plays the heroic Irish star and Jean Reno plays the evil Frenchman.
You know….I think I’d watch this.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:18 PM
I am 100% biased in that Henry is my favorite athelete of all time, but the backlash is way out of proprtion. To me handling the ball is much the same as pulling a guy down as opposed to diving. Would people be calling Dunne a cheat if he pulled Anelka down in the box and the French didn’t get the call? This happens every week in some form or another. France may scream they got cheated, but not that Dunne himself is a cheat. Not sure why the difference.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I don’t get it.
/grateful it’s not Charlie Weis
//or Kenny Mayne
November 19th, 2009 at 12:19 PM
Did they (Argentine defenders) actually say this after the game? If they did, they’re idiots and deserved to lose. If they didn’t say that and you’re making an assumption, that’s a major stretch.
Plus, Arentine players can never, ever complain about other players diving. They are the masters of that art.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Jay – Im a huge Knicks homer that hates Hill and the BS reasons given for drafting him.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Umm… did you guys not read the whole article? Duffy was pretty clearly making fun of the English Press, he wasn’t saying he agreed with the idea that Thierry should have “honorably” pointed out his malfeasance (DAMN YOU DUFFY).
November 19th, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Not yet – the spine on my thesaurus just broke and I haven’t deciphered the whole thing yet.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:23 PM
To me handling the ball is much the same as pulling a guy down as opposed to diving.
Except it’s not. The most fundamental part of the game is that you cannot use your hands except on a throw in or your the keeper. Whether you can take someone down is largely a function of how much physicality a ref is willing to allow. But if the ball touches your arm or hand at any one point, regardless of intentions, that is against the rules. So there’s a difference in degree of flexibility between the two things you are describing.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Taguchi, most of us aren’t able to decipher his meaning through all the clunky verbiage, so we just pick a passage and start teasing.
Plus, he’s still speaking from atop his high horse.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:24 PM
The Italians would like a word with you.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:25 PM
TST i’m on the same page as you
November 19th, 2009 at 12:25 PM
England played West Germany in the 1966 World Cup Final.
Well the French were occupying Vietnam… Does that make them better than the English, who were merely partaking in sports competition?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 PM
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Well yeah, but his point is the English are scum and beneath him, not Thierry is scum and beneath him.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 PM
So – maybe the ref was simply bored from having to watch 100+ minutes of Irish soccer and wanted the thing over with.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Even before I mention the gut-wrenching soundtrack from U2?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Complaining about the Italians or “Continentals” or “Latins” diving implies that there is a nation that doesn’t dive or cheat. There isn’t.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Like I said in the other thread, I can’t blame Henry on this one. He’s a cheating sonofabitch, but the blame for this goes to the referees.
That said, I’d have right back to centre as if nothing happened if I were in this same situation. If the referee had called me for a hand ball, I’d probably have claimed that it never happened and that we were robbed of a goal.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Wednesday Bloody Wednesday tops the charts for at least twenty weeks.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:29 PM
But if the ball touches your arm or hand at any one point, regardless of intentions, that is against the rules.
That’s actually not true. The ball can hit your hand unitentionally and it is not a foul.
But my point on the hand vs. diving is that diving is pretending something happend and attempting to deceive. Its like flopping in basketball vs. hacking a guy on the arm. People get pissed if you don’t get a call, but not at the defender. At the ref. Because we know that the defender is just playing and we rely on the refs to prevent what the rules anticipate happening. When a guy flops, we get angry at the flopper because they are attempting to deceive us and the refs about what has happened.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:30 PM
I think that was my point. You implied that the Argentine players were scared to tackle Owen because he dove. That logic is ridiculous because there are players on every team in the world (including their own) that will dive to draw a penalty in the box.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:31 PM
1. The French were out of Vietnam in 1954. WE were occupying Vietnam in 1966.
2. The British were still occupying many other places.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:32 PM
That was terribly written. Point is flopping and diving is making something up and to me that is a lot more “cheating” than simply doing something that is aginst the rules.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:32 PM
No
I said they were scared to tackle him because he already dove for a penalty and won one that game.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Soccer should get replay but that would “ruin the flow of the game” so they wont. I don’t know about anyone else but I prefer getting it right over ruining momentum, especially because sometimes that momentum comes from, you know, cheating.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:34 PM
A soccer post with no tits?
/moves on
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 PM
What is the difference between what Henry did and a defender clattering a striker in the box? If the ref doesn’t call the foul, is he supposed to call it on himself?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:35 PM
But Australia, Korea, and the Phillipines were out there kicking ass.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 PM
thats what happens in golf!
November 19th, 2009 at 12:38 PM
The Irish didn’t deserve to go through? They played cynical defensive soccer, Ty, because they are coached by an Italian and played an Italian style of soccer; it is boring but it works. They were undefeated in qualifying and should have beaten Italy at home. What in the hell are you talking about? The Irish were screwed, and on top of it, they were offsides on that play as well. Ireland did not finish their chances, or they would have won 3 or 4 to 0.
On top of all this crap, FIFA pretty much promises that they won’t seed the playoff legs and then low and behold France and others like them are in the playoffs and, boom, sissy ass FIFA seeds them. This was a crying shame, some straight up bs.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Yes, but some countries do it more often than others (cough…fuck you, Italy…cough).
November 19th, 2009 at 12:40 PM
You ever try talking about a sport (football, baseball, soccer, whatever) and some guy keeps telling stories about his glory days when he used to play and what he did? Well, that’s what happens every time people start talking about golf. Except they played last week and will play next week. And it is exactly as interesting.
/How’s everybody doing at Modern Warfare 2?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:42 PM
is he supposed to call it on himself
This reminds me of all those stories we hear about offensive lineman going the ref and say “I hate to say it, but I was holding on that play. I think we should bring the touchdown back”
November 19th, 2009 at 12:42 PM
That was terribly written. Point is flopping and diving is making something up and to me that is a lot more “cheating” than simply doing something that is aginst the rules.
I’m not completely updated on my FIFA rules, but I’m pretty sure (this is in reference to your previous comment) that even an intentional handball is a free kick for the other team.
That being said, I understand your point, but a handball is a handball. It either hits your hand or arm or it doesn’t. Flopping is a matter of degree and is based largely on the perogative of the referee calling the game. So I don’t think that those two things are analogous to one another.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 PM
this is phenomenal.
one day, we’ll all say ‘we knew duffy when…’
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 PM
man. seems like this guy would wait for insurgents to reload while he had them in his sights before he would pull the trigger
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 PM
. The French were out of Vietnam in 1954. WE were occupying Vietnam in 1966.
2. The British were still occupying many other places.
1. my bad, it’s been a while since i was in school.
2. if you don’t want the british in your country, go America on that ass.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:47 PM
@ms621…that was supposed to say “even an unintentional handball”.
Me fail typing.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:47 PM
I dont know, doesnt bringing out the stretcher every time someone gets an owie ruin the flow more than that would?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:48 PM
I dont know, doesnt bringing out the stretcher every time someone gets an owie ruin the flow more than that would?
Perhaps, but there’s a way to add that wasted time back on at the end of each half. Would we also add time from a replay on at the end of a half with the rest of stoppage time? If the replay takes awhile the game would last a lot longer.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:50 PM
only slightly better than a penalty called when a qb gets an almost owie
November 19th, 2009 at 12:50 PM
What’s with that stupid “get ripped in 4 weeks” ad on the site? You can’t get ripped in 4 weeks.
/ Nothing to contribute to the actual discussion
November 19th, 2009 at 12:53 PM
I think its stupid that Henry is getting called out for this. It is the referee’s job to call things on a player; why the hell would the player admit he had any advantage of any kind?
That’s like Michael Jordan admitting he shoved Russell or Lebron James admitting he travels.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:53 PM
ms621…that was supposed to say “even an unintentional handball”.
Me fail typing.
Understood. The rule is actually kind of complicated, but no, every time a ball strikes a hand it is not penalty. The fact is this one almost assuredly was a penalty so it is kind of moot, but not every one is.
You usually see it more on the other end where a ball hits a defender in the arm or hand in the box and the ref deems that the arm was unintentional, unavoidable, and that the arm was in a natural position.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:53 PM
Why cant you just stop the clock? I really have never understood that.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:55 PM
because that’s not how the sport was invented
November 19th, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Seriously, I don’t understand the European media backlash against Henry. You play until the whistle stops play. Period. If the refs don’t see the foul, it’s unfortunate, but it happens, and always will.
I agree that diving (attempting to deceive the referee) is different, but that’s not what Henry did. This shouldn’t be any different from a unfair tackle that doesn’t get called for a foul.
And the Irish didn’t take their chances. They could have put that tie away before extra time.
November 19th, 2009 at 12:55 PM
I agree with you Cracker but thats a reason why soccer uses extra time and doesnt stop the clock
November 19th, 2009 at 12:57 PM
Yes we were.
What does any of this have to do with SEC football?
November 19th, 2009 at 12:57 PM
played online last night and got my ass whooped. Fun game though.
he is a very good writer, but his high horse is annoying and he needs to learn the time and place factor of when to drop lines like “On the surface it’s an unrequited romantic narrative.” The dude can write though, I’ll give him that.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I’d like to think our American boys don’t flop like pussies.
Henry did what most everyone else would’ve done in that situation. He got out of the way and let the refs screw the opponent. Offensive linemen don’t tell the ref they held on a TD run. Baseball players don’t cry fair ball when the ball is foul. Basketball players don’t tell refs they stepped out of bounds while hitting the game-winning three.
Very dumb. Hate those. And they’re all over. E-mail, random Websites, etc. Most of the time the before and after aren’t even the same person.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Modern Warfare made $310 Million, in 1 day.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I don’t understand this whole “high horse” thing. The dude has never seemed pompous or arrogant to me; and what if he writes like that? That’s how he writes, why should it be dumbed down in any sense?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:07 PM
Speaking of getting ripped, to those who work out:
Currently I’m taking only whey isolate. Do any of you guys use additional supplementation (i.e – creatine, nitric oxide, etc)? If so, has it helped in gains?
November 19th, 2009 at 1:09 PM
That’s insane. I heard Russia pulled it from the shelves do to the level where you massacre people at an airport.
Somehwere Maggs and Spencer are stunned.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:13 PM
The rule is actually kind of complicated, but no, every time a ball strikes a hand it is not penalty. The fact is this one almost assuredly was a penalty so it is kind of moot, but not every one is.
I was not aware of the intricacy of the rule. Thank you for the explanation.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:13 PM
I take fish oil and a greens supplement on top of the whey each day. Can’t complain about any of the stuff I’m currently taking.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:14 PM
I don’t have any problem with what he did. Is it a handball? Absolutely. Did he get away with it? Yes. I think that this type of stuff happens all of the time in sports and I have no problem with it at all. Cheat until you get caught. Look at the rule for offensive holding in the NFL.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:15 PM
I hope it was a free gift from the people of Iceland.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:18 PM
karma, if you just going for muscle mass gains, as opposed to strength, just eat more and work out. eat more chicken or eggs or peanut butter or whatever you like that has high levels of protein in it. your body doesn’t care what kind of protein you intake as long as you have a shitload of it.
as far as creatine, only about 50% of the population report increased strength gains due to it. in other words, about the same as the number of people taking a placebo. if you like it, and don’t mind the fact that you have to piss 20x a day, go for it.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:18 PM
/says the replay in baseball advocate
November 19th, 2009 at 1:25 PM
dano nailed a lot of it.
if you take creatine, take a creatine ethyl ester product…it’s absorbed into the body better than monohydrate, but it’s really not that useful in general.
eat as much as you possibly can if you’re trying to gain weight. i weigh a relatively lean 200 lbs right now and am trying to gain weight…i cut the cardio, use higher weight for less reps, focus on the big three (bench, deadlift, squat) and eat about 3,500+ calories per day (250+g of protein, 400g carb, 100g fat…rough estimates). eat eat eat eat eat. focus on intaking as much protein as possible and ALWAYS get a bunch of protein and simple carbs in right after you work out.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:33 PM
I am currently trying mega doses of red wine (Argentine malbecs). I haven’t noticed any gains, but then again I really don’t care about much of anything.