Saints Sign Deuce McAllister
MMA, NFL January 15th. 2010, 6:30pm
The New Orleans Saints signed fan favorite Deuce McAllister on the eve of their clash with the Arizona Cardinals. McAllister won’t play, but he’s expected to provide a big lift for the Saints and their fans.
McAllister, whose NFL career likely is done because of knee injuries he suffered during his Saints career, gets to be a part of the playoff team – including the designated players’ share of $21,000 for the game – and gets to finish on a high note. Physically, he couldn’t compete for a roster spot in New Orleans this season, leaving the all-time leading rusher and touchdown scorer in franchise history on the outside looking in as the Saints prepared for their most successful regular season.
I love this move. McAllister is beloved in New Orleans and now he could possibly get a ring in the city that loves him. Of course, they’ve got to get past Kurt Warner and the Cards and then win two more big games for that to happen, but what a sweet story it is.
That’s all for today. A hodgepodge of blogging bloggers will be around this weekend to guide you through the Divisional Round of the National Football League playoffs. As usual, access our e-mail accounts using the list to your right. One tip – don’t expect to see TBL early tomorrow, he’ll be out late celebrating Hat Day. As you can imagine, things get a little crazy in the McIntyre home on major holidays like this.
If you’re not going to have a more reserved evening at home, there’s an NBA double-header on ESPN, the Jersey Shore kids visit the Staples Center and The Best of Pride debuts on SpikeTV at 10. (Sample below) Also, The Wrestler is on HBO and Bankok Dangerous is on Showtime. Damn. Even I’m considering skipping the Hat Day festivities.
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January 15th, 2010 at 6:35 PM
This is a big, big, big, big, big, big deal.
/in New Orleans
//trust me–this is all people are talking about
January 15th, 2010 at 6:37 PM
i’ll go to downtown NO dressed like bruce willis at the beginning of die hard with a vengeance for a $21000 game check just for showing up.
January 15th, 2010 at 6:38 PM
Oh yeah, and there’s actually speculation that he would play next week if they got there. Just because he’s a better blocker than any other RB on the roster, and they need all the help they can get against Demarcus Ware or Jared Allen.
I seriously doubt that it would happen, though.
January 15th, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Had no idea he wasn’t still on their team.
January 15th, 2010 at 6:44 PM
My buddy just sent me video of this kid of the drums…I mean, holy shit. I feel inadequate.
January 15th, 2010 at 6:46 PM
So does this earthquake in Venezuela mean the world is going to end soon?
January 15th, 2010 at 6:47 PM
PFT is reporting he will not play, just like I’m hoping the Saints D won’t either.
January 15th, 2010 at 6:49 PM
He single-handedly won that Eagles playoff game in 2006, and then Payton forgot he was on the team a week later in Chicago. I know they’re not directly related, but pay the man.
January 15th, 2010 at 6:50 PM
gsg, how bad is it?
mrejr, plus one to you
January 15th, 2010 at 6:55 PM
I love people that are killing the Dooley hire. Everybody realizes he was Saban’s recruiting coordinator at LSU, right?
January 15th, 2010 at 6:58 PM
And that the average Texas high school has more money and better facilities than Tech.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:01 PM
Oh, jay jay jay…you can’t have it one way (Turner Gill) but not the other (Dooley).
Seriously, shouldn’t you be killing Tennessee for hiring someone that was below .500 in the WAC???
January 15th, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Link?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:03 PM
5.6 in Venezuela, Texans. No reports of fatalities yet, so that’s good.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:03 PM
couple that with the 6.5 that was off of California and the 7.0 in Haiti
January 15th, 2010 at 7:06 PM
Tallguy the WAC is tougher than the MAC, but beyond that, Dooley’s the real deal. On Saban’s staff at LSU and in Miami, is familiar with the conference, and has the recruiting contacts. This was a good hire by Tennessee.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:06 PM
I hope the Saints get crushed.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Isnt it something to do with plate tectonics that a big 7.0 earthquake causes more earthquakes to happen in the days after?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:10 PM
CJ – you mean aftershocks or completely different quakes altogether? I dont know much about the subject.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:10 PM
Get outta here with your fancy words and all that nonsense.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:11 PM
I hear you on the Gill thing. I should have added more about his experience with national championships and daddy and uncle being great coaches.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:12 PM
i hope the saints win and we dont hear “the saints have inspired people to rebuild New Orleans!” like if it wasnt for the saints everyone would have just been like “ya’ know maybe living in hurricane alley isn’t such a good idea. let’s not live there.”
January 15th, 2010 at 7:13 PM
It’s because of Chavez
/Pat Robertson’d
January 15th, 2010 at 7:13 PM
I’m not saying he’s not, but for Jay to trot out the excuse about facilities that he brushed off during his criticism of Gill’s credentials is bogus. It’s easier to win at LaTech than it is at Buffalo, period. One is in the middle of a football crazy region with plenty of talent, the other is in Buffalo. One has been to bowl games in this decade, the other hadn’t been to a bowl game in 50 years.
Dooley may or may not be a good hire. Gill may or may not be a good hire. We’ll find out in 3-4 years. Still, tearing down one guy and making excuses for the other when they’re basically the same in terms of accomplishments is pretty hypocritical. Also, one thing we do know is that Dooley’s last name had a lot to do with where he is right now.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:13 PM
maybe building a town below sea level in a hurricane alley isn’t a good idea.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:14 PM
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCE!
Prolly ranks just behind Archie as all-time fan favorite for Nawlins. Good PR move esp. with fans I’ve talked to feeling a little worried about Saturday.
I hope Al Davis buys the 49ers.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:15 PM
January 15th, 2010 at 7:16 PM
my brother is stationed in okinawa and they had a 5.8 88 miles or so from where they are at. I doubt thats enough to kill many people
January 15th, 2010 at 7:16 PM
ouch
January 15th, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Oh man that hurt.
I like the Saints, I just wanna see Jay go fuckin apeshit again like he did when they lost there last few games.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Uh….
January 15th, 2010 at 7:16 PM
Hate to say it about New Orleans, but the politicians are still corrupt as fuck and ruined a lot of goodwill and funding we needed to improve the city. And nobody has the balls to make it any better.
I admit it. A lot of us from here who love the city are even more disillusioned than you are.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:17 PM
at least a cow didn’t burn down our city. And please explain all the millions of people living in California on an active fault line?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:17 PM
A’s trade for Kevin Kouzmanoff, Twins fans say fuck.
Beane does it again.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Rondo,
I’m not gonna be here. I’ve got a Mardi Gras ball that night right after the game. I’m not repeating that blowup either.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:18 PM
Wait what? So Dooley gets a pass for having a bad record at Tech, but Gill doesn’t for having a mediocre record at the worst job in the country?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:18 PM
You’re right, building a port town on the mouth of the biggest shipping avenue in the country was a bad idea.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:19 PM
I see that’s already been covered. Reading the whole thread would have helped.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:19 PM
I would think Dooley’s last name would hurt his chances to get that job (see also: Mack McWhorter). Also, in the interest of full disclosure, I might be a tad in the tank for Dooley, given that he’s married to one of my good buddies’ cousin (even if I hate his Daddy).
January 15th, 2010 at 7:19 PM
Cool man. That nite was fucking insane.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:19 PM
That’s funny. Every time some place floods or is below zero for two months, I know a lot of people down here who say “fuck ‘em. They shouldn’t live there.”
January 15th, 2010 at 7:20 PM
If the 7.0 had occurred in Caracas, I assure you Chavez wouldn’t have let any American aid in the country. As it is…Chavez has got his hands full, and he no longer has Bush to blame everything on. He’s already dealing with rolling blackouts due to a massive drought, and he can’t get anyone in the country to build powerplants because he’s dicked over so many foreign corporations already. This quake is just another thorn in his side, and as long as no one got hurt, I’m glad it happened.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:21 PM
it was a great shipping port, but then you have to dig up dredges out of the marshes and corals where hurricanes die, so they stay stronger towards the shore.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:21 PM
we can move the cows out of city limits and when those fuckers in cali fall into the ocean then that is one less problem we have to worry about but staying in a place after you have already lost everything uou own isnt the brightest move. just sayin.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:22 PM
And the French Qtr. is located ABOVE sea level.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:22 PM
My town can’t talk. Our town hall was built on a land fill.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:22 PM
The cow starting the fire thing was a hoax made up by the media btw.
/snopes’d
January 15th, 2010 at 7:22 PM
That I didn’t know
January 15th, 2010 at 7:23 PM
where all the rich people live
/Bush hates black people
January 15th, 2010 at 7:25 PM
I love when people try to say I shouldn’t live where I live for weather reasons.
My motto: You can shovel snow. You can’t shovel an earthquake or a hurricane.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:26 PM
Yeah I heard Mrs. O’Leary started that shit herself. Or her drunk neighbors. One or the other. Really what we should be talking about is the ineptitude of the Chicago Fire Department on that evening.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:26 PM
word.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:27 PM
A lot of New Orleans is above sea level. That was something that was never challenged when the critics said it. The big problem was the MRGO and all the other canals they built. And not just because of the flooding, but because they killed a lot of the wetlands that helped kill the hurricanes before they reached NO.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:27 PM
San Fran was destroyed 100 years ago, and people moved back. Same thing for Galveston. It would have been nice if they actually fixed the problem with the levees BEFORE they moved back, but… ummm. Never mind that part. It’s too cold in Chicago.
/that’s all I got.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:28 PM
I’ve got little sympathy for New Orleans. I hate that it happened, but everyone and their mother knew it would happen eventually. I mean, I missed 3 weeks of school because a 10,000 year flood due to one hurricane hitting twice (it actually made a circle) followed by a bigger one just stopping on top of us. Katrina wasn’t a 10,000 year flood…the risk was know for over 50 years, but politicians at the local, state and federal level did nothing about it. The fact that a judge has allowed people to sue the Army Corp of Engineers. even though they’d been warning people about the levies for decades just pisses me off.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:28 PM
that’s what i said but you worded it better. God damn I wish i could form a proper sentence.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:28 PM
Zion has been destroyed countless times, but those people keep moving back there to get killed by more Sentinels, fuck ‘em.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Tallguy was that Hugo?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:31 PM
I got off school for Hurricane Floyd and it was one of the most beautiful days of the year outside. I got high as shit.
/eat it Eastern NC
January 15th, 2010 at 7:31 PM
No he’s talking about Dennis and Floyd.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:32 PM
to think if you didnt go to UK you might be able to.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:33 PM
I wish the internet and talk radio were around for the storm of 38 that ripped up NYC.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:34 PM
Did Hugo do much damge to NC? I know it fucked Charleston up something fierce.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:35 PM
Thats why I have a radio & Television production associates degree and an Economics Bachelors degree.
/Was going to be a journalist, but then I remembered I hate writing.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:35 PM
Hugo killed triple digits in NC and did I think 15 billion in damamge. It fucked up Charlotte, it was right before I moved there luckily.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:36 PM
Wait no Hugo was 89, I was thinking of Andrew time wise.
But Hugo did fuck up NC bad.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:36 PM
That show “History of the Undergorund” just keeps talking about how NY is going to be fucked and soon, once it gets s storm that delivers enough wind and rain.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:36 PM
Can’t hear you.
It was 75 here today.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:37 PM
/ballzdeep’d
January 15th, 2010 at 7:37 PM
but that’s probably because the History Channel has turned into “Conspiracy Theory Channel” and “Revisionist History”, sadly.
/Remember when TLC and the History Channel actually taught you things?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:37 PM
Triple digits in NC? That seems a bit much, considering it didn’t hit NC until after it turned SC into a bigger junk yard than it already was.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:38 PM
The old Junkyard Wars on TLC was the shit.
And yeah NYC is due for a natural disaster.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:38 PM
i dont fault anyone for where they live. They say most of the world lives on or close to a coast, right? What i cant understand is those desert rats in the mojave desert. What the fuck?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:39 PM
I agree, but I’m on the other side. We had been saying since the last great flood (sometime in the 1920s, I think) that New Orleans needed better levee protection. And this happened, and so many people in the bureaucracy acted like “we never realized it would be this bad.” BULLSHIT. We told you and you didn’t listen because it cost too much money.
It was a clusterfuck on all levels, and nobody is without fault as far as I’m concerned.
And just since the year began, the head of government in Jefferson Parish (suburban N.O.) resigned and the chief operating officer had to resign for a contract-bidding scandal. And there are polls out here saying William Jefferson could win his seat back because the guy who beat him voted for Obamacare.
Sometimes you just want to give up.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:39 PM
Tallguy I’m thinking of Hugo’s total damage actually. It did fuck up some NC though, mainly because the piedmont wasn’t prepared.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:39 PM
I remember Andrew. That thing was heinous.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:41 PM
PENNY WISE! BAD RELIGION!! YOU GUYS DON’T KNOW MUSIC. NEWBS!
/double Ballzdeep’d
January 15th, 2010 at 7:41 PM
I remember when the History Channel was 24/7 World War 2 footage.
I remember TLC showing me how my knee surgery was going to look.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:41 PM
I remember Hurricane Scrambles the Death Dealer.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:41 PM
Agreed.
Btw, whatever happend to American Choppers?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:42 PM
i remember when our basement flooded one time. there were no survivors…
January 15th, 2010 at 7:44 PM
I remember when I didn’t give a fuck about Hurricane Katrina, Haiti, or the saints.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:44 PM
I am from the area in LA where it made landfall, and we had to stay home to care for a family member who couldn’t be moved. I will never–repeat NEVER–stay for one again. That was the scariest thing I ever dealt with, not to mention that it made landfall at like 2 in the morning in total darkness.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:45 PM
After Hurricane Besty, a special army corps of engineers was formed to make sure nothing like that ever happened again. Louisiana politics fucked that up nicely.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:45 PM
nice..i still dont
January 15th, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Tallguy, where you from? I was teaching in Pitt County (East Carolina and great BBQ, not much else) when Floyd rolled through. Nothing beats almost a month out of school.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:46 PM
Except that a lot of the flooding wouldn’t have occurred if an unsecured barge–belonging, I think, to BP, although some of the Nawlins folk might know more–hadn’t floated off and destroyed the 17th Ave. (st.? Can’t recall) levy. That’s the most under-reported part of the whole thing.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:46 PM
I remember laughing at my neighbors for driving to Raleigh to avoid Fran, and ended up stuck there for 4 days in a hotel without power, and we never lost power at the house. Fun stuff.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:46 PM
was it the besty hurricane evar?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:47 PM
I remember when.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:48 PM
Tallguy a few years back, 2004 I believe, we got flooding in Boone from a hurricane, it was ridiculous, all the parking garages were completely flooded.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:49 PM
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!
January 15th, 2010 at 7:49 PM
Its back on now I think on TLC. Mikey went to rehab or some shit last I saw.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:49 PM
To add to that, my parents built on the highest piece of land in the county, so it’d take a direct hit of a class 5 hurricane to even flood their porch, so hurricanes to me are just times to chill out in the kitchen and play cards.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:49 PM
You still don’t. It’s ok.
I’m surprised this country is actually paying attention to Haiti. I thought the whole counrty could have been wiped oput in a tsunami and no one would care. 24/7 news coverage is making this a place I don’t even recognize anymore.
/I didn’t know Vilma was from there.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Goddamn right texasfan
January 15th, 2010 at 7:52 PM
country* out*
fuck typing. back to pecking at the keys.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:52 PM
the thing about haiti is that their gov’t is so fucking crooked a couple mmonths after people stop caring they are gonna be flushed with cash and wont be monitored with what they do with the funds so the money probably wont go to where it is needed. that is just as bad the earthquake imo.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:52 PM
TST’s gf was begging for it, didn’t matter to her that we had never met, what the hell was I supposed to do in that situation?
January 15th, 2010 at 7:53 PM
See now this is why Jersey Shore is so much better than The Real World, because you can punch people and not get kicked off. On a related note, I find it hilarious that they went to Atlantic City and all they did was go to the club and dance. You couldve done that in Seaside Heights. AC’s for gambling, fools!
Still not sure why I cant stop watching..
January 15th, 2010 at 7:54 PM
i heard john goodman doesnt look too good now. I would add him to my death list for 2010 if i had one
January 15th, 2010 at 7:54 PM
It’s also hypocritical of pretty anyone west of Pennsylvania to be bitching about someone else living in a disaster zone.
/Yellowstone Caldera’d
January 15th, 2010 at 7:54 PM
Looks lame now.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:55 PM
pretty *much* anyone
January 15th, 2010 at 7:56 PM
I would’ve given a year of my income to have the Jersey Shore cast do a show from Haiti during the quake.
January 15th, 2010 at 7:57 PM
the thing about New Orleans is that their gov’t is so fucking crooked a couple mmonths after people stop caring they are gonna be flushed with cash and wont be monitored with what they do with the funds so the money probably wont go to where it is needed. that is just as bad the earthquake imo.
/fixed
January 15th, 2010 at 7:58 PM
Anthony Anderson needs to fix all the crime in “Nyawlins.
/bad CBS show whose name escapes me
Him and Skinny Boy
January 15th, 2010 at 8:00 PM
K-Ville
It was on Fox
January 15th, 2010 at 8:01 PM
it thought that was fox. k-ville…i think it lasted about 45 minutes before it was cancelled
January 15th, 2010 at 8:01 PM
I don’t want to sound like a dick, but the world population is at like 7 billion give or take maybe a couple billion,(China supposedly has more people than they admit), a couple of million people wiped out in a natural disaster aint shit.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:01 PM
K-ville. I hate fake Louisiana accents. The real ones are bad enough without actors going overboard with it.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:02 PM
to be fair, this country went nuts when 3-4,000 were killed here. Imagine 100-500,000 dieing.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:03 PM
waits to get yelled at in 3…2…1…
January 15th, 2010 at 8:03 PM
You know how Ray Nagin was re-elected? It wasn’t because of the black vote. It was because he ran against Mary Landrieu’s brother. The rich white people would rather have corruption and “Chocolate City” than have a Landrieu in charge of the city, and voted for Nagin.
Did I also mention that father Landrieu was the mayor who integrated City Hall?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:05 PM
it would be if you’re one of those couple million. it’s cool if you dont care about what happened in haiti or katrina but the loss of life is pretty fucking sad. you’re just saying dumb shit.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:06 PM
When all those people are in one city, I’m pretty sure it makes a difference. Even when that city is in Haiti.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:06 PM
wow. first time i agree with mrejr. dumb shit indeed
January 15th, 2010 at 8:08 PM
So if the US, which is rough at 370 mil, dropped a million or two in population overnight, you dont think that would be a big deal?
I said here because maybe you’d grasp it a litle more
January 15th, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Magic vs FrailBlazers @ 10:30 ESPN. tune in folks
January 15th, 2010 at 8:10 PM
I agree it is sad for the loved ones and such, I’m just saying in the grand scheme of things it probably won’t matter much. If I was one of those millions I would be dead, my family would be sad, and then they would go back to work.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Remember when Cuban wouldn’t pay Nash because he was getting old and had a bad back? Between him, Grant Hill staying healthy and Shaq looking slim when he played there, when will the Suns training facility get raided for HGH?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:11 PM
I don’t want to sound like a dick, but the world population is at like 7 billion give or take maybe a couple billion,(China supposedly has more people than they admit), a couple of million people wiped out in a natural disaster aint shit.
I think you’re all focusing on the impressively heartless latter statement and ignoring the fact China is apparently hiding two billion people.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:12 PM
if 2 million folks died here in america we would be dropping bombs on someone…natural disaster? what is mother nature’s grid coordinates? act of god? heaven is gonna have hell to pay. and lord help someone if it was the result of an attack on our soil because we would unleash hell.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:13 PM
I’m pretty sure if a million died on one day work would cease for a few.
However, yea they would go back to work because they cant focud their whole lives on the fact tat you’re dead.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:13 PM
them damn chinese are crafty
January 15th, 2010 at 8:14 PM
If two million died here on one day and it was found out that Al queda did it there wouldn’t be an Afghanistan, Iran or Pakistan. We’d stop the world and people would attack us in return and then there’s no more earth.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:15 PM
Last thing about the Suns. Doesn’t Oden wish he got drafted there?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:15 PM
As you guys have pointed out maybe I’m just a heartless bastard and need emotional counseling or something.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:15 PM
The Holocaust, if it happened, wasn’t such a big deal.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:18 PM
the holocaust? [shrugs like "what is a holocaust?"]
/ahmadinejad’d
January 15th, 2010 at 8:18 PM
Last country to attack the U.S. on it’s home turf is missing two cities. That’s real.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:19 PM
As you guys have pointed out maybe I’m just a heartless bastard and need emotional counseling or something.
or a girlfriend.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:20 PM
I did just watch Schindler’s list again last night because it was on HBO. That was disturbing, and just really unbelievable that it ever happened. I guess natural disasters just don’t stir me in the same way as pure human evil. I must have seen to many Roland Emmerich movies.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:22 PM
china may have a lot of people but their navy and air force cant fuck with ours. i dont care how well those fuckers synchronize drum. they dont wanna a piece.
/it’s gonna happen eventually.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:22 PM
I got onto this Haiti subject because earlier today my fiance was texting donations all over the place on my phone bill.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:24 PM
I don’t trust that shit one bit man.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:24 PM
dump her.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:25 PM
China’s Navy is a joke. I dont know about their army. Iran was thought to have a crap army but when you send waves of a million plus like they did you can pretty much just crush anything ahead of you.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:26 PM
I don’t trust that the money goes to the right place.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:26 PM
that “text a donation” did sound like a crazy hustle. I guess it’s easier than even pay palling money. But if you’re giving money, why aren’t you giving it to the Red Cross? Is Wyclef Jean really prepared to act right now to help Haiti?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:27 PM
not if it is flying and dropping big bombs
January 15th, 2010 at 8:27 PM
can’t she pays the rent and electric
January 15th, 2010 at 8:28 PM
I don’t exactly trust the Red Cross or Red Crescent either. But I sure as SHIT don’t trust Verizon to give my money to someone else.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:28 PM
you can’t win a war from the air…unless it’s dropping nukes like a bastard.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:29 PM
trade those 10 dollar donations for sexual favors
/married life’d
kidding
January 15th, 2010 at 8:29 PM
Hubie Brown cannot fucking believe the game of basketballl. He rules
January 15th, 2010 at 8:29 PM
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUCK A STRANGER IN THE ASS!
TST’s gf was begging for it, didn’t matter to her that we had never met, what the hell was I supposed to do in that situation?
She shouldn’t do shots when she goes out.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:30 PM
This guy thinks you’re full of shit.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:31 PM
The Big Ten network is awful. That’s all I got.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:32 PM
you can’t win a war from the air…unless it’s dropping nukes like a bastard.
Which is the only war we’d ever have with China, which isn’t gonna happen anyway that would not be a war that was good for business for either side.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:32 PM
America is basically safe from invasion. The fact that our navy can fight the next 5 navies combined to a standstill, and that we can cover either coast with 4,000+ aircraft means that none of us will have to ever pick up arms to defend our homes from an invading force* The country that has to worry about China is Russia.
*excludes extraterrestial invasion.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:33 PM
TBL believes the Middle East has had it’s chance
January 15th, 2010 at 8:33 PM
Don’t give to Wyclef.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:34 PM
WELCOME TO EARTH! NOW GIVE ME BACK MY SON YOU UGLY SON OF A BITCH!
January 15th, 2010 at 8:34 PM
Aren’t China and Russia still arguing over their border and who owns the river?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:35 PM
I’m new here, what are the rules?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:35 PM
Mole this is the convo from earlier:
Her: I text’d $30 to some Haitian thing people at work were doing it
Me: Why the fuck would you do that
Her: your an asshole
Me: You cant even find Haiti on a map
Her: your a dick it will show up on the next sprint bill
Me: you owe me $30
/should of said blow job
//Wyclef’s charity is messed up I guess
January 15th, 2010 at 8:36 PM
hey look everyone the guy with no military experience is telling us how to win wars! you cant tin with only air force but you also cant win without.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:37 PM
You know who’s making a killing off of this crisis? The credit card companies and banks. Nice, huh?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:38 PM
mole: I never knew this but Ryan Malone’s cousin plays for us. Sadly, he has about 1% of Ryan’s skill.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:38 PM
hey dick how do you take over a city from the air?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:39 PM
Me: you owe me $30
So she pays rent and electric but she can’t spend thirty dollars on stupid shit? You’ve got a nice situation.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:39 PM
That bastard should use that money to get The Fugees back together.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:39 PM
People are pretty dumb.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:41 PM
tell everyone to leave peacefully or we’re gonna drop a big bomb on it? you might have a few stragglers but if they know you’re serious then you want have many.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:41 PM
When reached for response to this question, the residents of 1940s Dresden did not return our calls.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:42 PM
So she pays rent and electric but she can’t spend thirty dollars on stupid shit? You’ve got a nice situation.
I don’t know what he thinks a blowjob is worth, but it’s definitely more than $30, too.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:42 PM
TST: shes banking on me bringing home the bucks as a lawyer in 2 years little does she know I probably wont be able to find a job worth a fuck.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:44 PM
She’s going to leave you before that, kindle it.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:44 PM
Don’t give to Wyclef.
i bought one solo album once. Does that count? In retrospect, it was charitable on my part, because there was only one good song on it.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:47 PM
When reached for response to this question, the residents of 1940s Dresden did not return our calls.
So it goes.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:47 PM
touche, clerk.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:49 PM
Hated that book. Thought it was actually going to be about WWII and not the guys dong on some alien planet.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:50 PM
We have a 5 year old together shes not going anywhere. We just can’t afford her dream wedding at this time so it has been delayed
January 15th, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Mole, here’s some news you’ll probably like. The next Assassin’s Creed game will feature Ezio again, and will have multiplayer.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:53 PM
So does the death of all twenty-six million single parents in America and your subsequent forgetting of them help or hurt your “millions dying doesn’t matter” theory?
January 15th, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Oh shit son. I’m hoping it takes place in Egypt, the things at the end looked like pyramids. Maybe South America? It did end in 1492 and they made that comment about the New World not being discovered yet …
January 15th, 2010 at 8:54 PM
Ever seen the movie? It’s spectacularly bad. It and Smooth Talk tie for my favorite godawful literary adaptations. Jason Patrick OWNS Smooth Talk.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:54 PM
So much so that it was Treat Williams who owns Smooth Talk.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:55 PM
I don’t understand what the moleman is talking about, but I am enjoying his tone.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:56 PM
Nah TST, I hadn’t even read the book until 08, just never got around to it.
Loved Mother Night though, that would play well to a movie I think.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:57 PM
Look at Laura Dern move.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:57 PM
I said a couple (2) million out of 7+ billion wouldn’t matter in the long run globally(except to family, friends, etc.)
26 million out of 300 million Americans would probably have a far greater impact especially if it left behind 26+ million orphans
January 15th, 2010 at 8:58 PM
You missed the point entirely, but the point is only one of six billion, so it won’t be missed.
January 15th, 2010 at 8:59 PM
I did not enjoy that clip.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:00 PM
“Laura Dern has the loosest jaws in Hollywood”
January 15th, 2010 at 9:01 PM
I still missed the point
January 15th, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Taguchi – you’ll appreciate this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ODOB_oiW0
January 15th, 2010 at 9:08 PM
Taguchi – you’ll appreciate this:
I especially enjoy how proud of himself Mike looks.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:09 PM
He’s been getting a lot of prank callers lately. They don’t normally make it that far.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:09 PM
So I’m late to this convo (still at work), I’ll chime in on the myriad of topics in Larry King fashion:
–Good for the Saints to sign Deuce, even he doesn’t play a down. Classy move by the organization. And hey, a little good karma can’t hurt. (so says Kevin Costner in ‘FOD’)
–Taguchi: +1 for the Slaughterhouse Five reference. I would have made the zero-sum game reference myself, but that’s why they pay you the big bucks.
–Loved everything about Assassin’s Creed 2, except the last 10 minutes. Why not go to a different point in time for the third one, like the Revolutionary War or something?
–Don’t trust making donations through these new organizations. And yeah, anywhere you go you’re going to run into some level of problems. Point is, you still gotta try and do SOMETHING. (F*ck Limbaugh’d)
–”I AM WORKING AROUND THE CLOCK!!!” (Way to be behind the times on that meme, Simmons, you asshat!)
January 15th, 2010 at 9:11 PM
I was thinking about this, and the reason I came up with is simple:
You can’t have those robes in any time period after the 1500s, it would just look ridiculous.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:12 PM
Oh btw, if you didn’t go through and get all the Assassin Seals in that game, do it, the Altair outfit is on a whole new level of badass.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:14 PM
Already got all the seals before engaging in that final, uh, battle (*COUGH* fistfight *COUGH*) went ahead and did everything but open all the treasure chests. Great game, though; would make a great movie.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:15 PM
Did you watch the minimovie they did for this one? It was pretty sweet.
Wikipedia says the third could be in Camelot times or Feudal Japan. Eh.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:16 PM
They are going to for the next “proper” sequel, but before that one, they’re doing a spinoff with Ezio and multiplayer. I think they’re trying to get one more game in before the next console cycle starts, which is why Ezio gets another game.
For the next one though, early rumors are a female spy during WWII, and Desmond actually getting alot of play time as well. I can’t comment on ACII, because my PS3 is borked right now, but I loved the first one and played the sidestory games on the DS and PSP. I think this franchise has been managed really well so far, so we’ll see.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:19 PM
The scriptwriter already debunked that in an IGN interview, he said he doesn’t want to do any places that traditionally are made into games, and that would be number one on that list. Plus they already got beaten to the punch by The Saboteur.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:21 PM
True, but anything they do, it’s got to go forward in time. Maybe Civil War era? Traditionally underserved, and some nice history to play with.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:21 PM
The real question is: when the fuck is Civ V going to come out, and will those cocksuckers finally put in the GG Bridge as a wonder?
January 15th, 2010 at 9:21 PM
moleman: Minimovie? No. What is this “minimovie” you speak of?
January 15th, 2010 at 9:23 PM
idk, with the whole temples thing, and the time frame, I still think Spanish exploration of the New World would make loads of sense.
Again, they can’t get rid of the traditional look of the assassin robes, and I’m sorry but that would look retarded in the modern world, even in the revolutionary war.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:23 PM
who the fuck needs Civ 5, when Civ 2 still kicks so much ass?
/best game evar
January 15th, 2010 at 9:24 PM
It was called Assassin’s Creed Lineage, pretty slick
January 15th, 2010 at 9:25 PM
Plus I think having the game set in a period with lots of guns wouldn’t work. Having the pistol in this game was a bit much. It’s a sword fighting game, there don’t need to be fucking canons.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:27 PM
Can’t ever have too many cannons.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:29 PM
Well, considering that alot of the next proper game will be set in modern times, I don’t see why they have to keep the robes. The whole point of the series is that while the times and the world powers change, the Assassins and the Templars remain locked in combat. I bet the next Ezio game does end up in the New World, if only to set up the third game in America.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:30 PM
Well if they’re going to use Desmond, sure. But to me it seems like there’s no reason to take it out of the middle ages as far as the historical part of the game goes. You lose all the best parts of the series that way.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:31 PM
this is the most virginal thread of all time
January 15th, 2010 at 9:31 PM
And in both games, the stuff with Desmond kind of sucked. At least there was a lot less of it in the second one. If I wanted to tool around in Manhattan, I’d play Prototype.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:31 PM
Buncha Billy Mitchell’s up in here.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:32 PM
January 15th, 2010 at 9:32 PM
I have no idea whats going on here.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:32 PM
Wow.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
That I will remember.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:34 PM
Buncha Billy Mitchell’s up in here.
His hot sauce is spectacular.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:40 PM
moleman: I’d be fine with the New World look, especially with the conquistodores (sp?).
January 15th, 2010 at 9:40 PM
That reference certainly flew over my head.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:42 PM
That reference certainly flew over my head.
by the power of wikipedia, I know that you’ve been given a third degree burn by the clown.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:45 PM
Martha Coakley (mass AG and Dem nominee for Teddy’s senate seat) claims that Curt Schilling is a Yankees fan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNpcMHwOa8
January 15th, 2010 at 9:45 PM
I think google images ups the burn to 4th degree.
Billy
January 15th, 2010 at 9:47 PM
Whoa, whoa, Clown? We ain’t talkin’ ’bout abortion. We’re talking about “Assassin’s Creed 2″ and you’re talking about, what? The Donkey Kong loser and abortion? Not a modern video game. No, no, no, you’re talkin’ bout Donkey Kong. Come on, man…
/Iverson’d + King of Kong’d = Dennis Miller’d
Thanks, I’ll show myself out.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:50 PM
Someone proves what I’ve been saying for forever
January 15th, 2010 at 9:55 PM
For sure, especially in the playoffs when the NFL ratchets up the TV timeouts to another level, including the dreaded score, commercial, kickoff, commercial. Fortunatey, the action that does take place on the gridiron is far more exciting than the action that does take place on the diamond.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:56 PM
Depends on if you like strategy and stuff, or men running into eachother
January 15th, 2010 at 9:57 PM
Men running into each other, any day. Yep, no strategy involved in football.
January 15th, 2010 at 9:59 PM
Would it be hard to argue that football has the most strategy and stuff than any other sport?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:01 PM
You guys have a good night The Jay Leno Show is on.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:03 PM
Someone proves what I’ve been saying for forever
does that count when some asshole steps out of the batters box and adjusts his junk, and also the full 20 seconds of nodding and not nodding between pitcher and catcher?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:05 PM
yes
January 15th, 2010 at 10:07 PM
that action is non stop Fetch. My favorite part is when they unstrap their batting gloves and restrap them up, then tap their toe 8 times and then step back in, and then wave the bat thrice in a circle and then wiggle their hips, before inevitably stepping back out because the pitcher took too long.
Baseball is nonstop action. Just nonstop.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:07 PM
not if you knew how to play every sport. i need to emphasize SPORT…because golf isnt one.
/boom. not in attendance ambush.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Baseball has plenty of men running into eachother
/would choose to watch football 9/10 times
You’re also forgetting the time it takes for the commentators to explain their junk adjusting ritual and then show subsequent clips of said junk adjusting ritual.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:10 PM
I think football involves more strategy than baseball, especially at the higher levels, but also at the lower levels when a school is significantly shorter on talent than their opponent. That’s typically when offensive innovations develop. Then again, I’m a football honk and have no desire to argue strategic semantics with a baseball honk. I’ll wait until the new Baseball Prospectus comes out.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:12 PM
I would be interested to know which gets more actual airtime on Sundays, though, on-field plays or erecticle dysfunction commercials. I’d put a hundo on the latter.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Football is chess with live humans.
Baseball is checkers where you have to wait 5 minutes in between moves.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:15 PM
I think football involves more strategy than baseball,
I don’t even see how there is a debate there. But I also don’t want to argue with Fetch. People like different things.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:15 PM
i think there might be the same amount of strategy in both sports its’s just that when a baseball manage tries to employ the strategy they end up fucking his team over but in football if you have a brilliant Xs and Os coach you can beat a more talented team.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:15 PM
What was it that Homer Simpson said? Being sober he never realized how boring baseball really was?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:17 PM
Im glad I sparked a debate at least. Football is a lot easier to understand the nuances of if you ask me.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:17 PM
OK, in the interest of changing the subject.
Racist, or not?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:20 PM
Does anyone still watch The Simpsons? Homer Goes To College and Mr. Burns Casino are two of the best 30 minutes in TV history, but now the only people I know who watch it smoke pot.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:22 PM
Im glad I sparked a debate at least. Football is a lot easier to understand the nuances of if you ask me.
I guess it depends how nuanced your understanding is, but I can’t hit a baseball at all. That seems to me to be where most of the nuance of baseball is, in the actual hitting of a baseball.
If you think that’s more nuanced than conjoining the efforts of an army of 11 people to move a ball forward 10 yards in 4 tries with the aid of aerial photographs and weeks of preparation, then I dont’ know what to tell you.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:24 PM
I don’t know if “easier” is the right word, but I get what you mean and agree to a certain extent. I would say football involves more strategy due to the amount of people involved on each play, not to mention there’s special teams to deal with.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:24 PM
but now the only people I know who watch it smoke pot.
are they russians too?
/that was you, right?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:25 PM
Harsh tone on pot coming from the handle “Cornholio”
January 15th, 2010 at 10:26 PM
I missed this Full Color Football shit when it was on Showtime. Wow, this is great stuff. Between this and America’s Game I’m just very pleased with NFL Films’ work.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:26 PM
what he said
January 15th, 2010 at 10:27 PM
I don’t really think Bill Belichick is as much of an asshole as everyone makes him out to be, after watching him here and reading Education of a Coach. Then again, I’m completely in the tank for the dude.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:27 PM
so there’s that
January 15th, 2010 at 10:30 PM
I missed this Full Color Football shit when it was on Showtime. Wow, this is great stuff. Between this and America’s Game I’m just very pleased with NFL Films’ work.
those shows were great fun. I don’t think it’s the best work NFL films has ever done, but I really enjoyed watching them. You learned a lot about a lot of people. I too was completely unfamiliar with that relaxed Bill Belichick.
I changed my tune on him after he plugged and played for an injured Tom Brady. That made him the best coach I’ve seen. The personnel decision to trade Seymour, though, was stupid.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:31 PM
“You might have two African-Americans on the team, or four, but never three or five, because you needed an even number for them to room together.”
January 15th, 2010 at 10:32 PM
Harsh tone on pot coming from the handle “Cornholio”
give him T.P. for his bunghole. Bungholio.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:33 PM
Belichick’s the man. After seeing what he did with the Patriot defense in 2004, I was forever sold. The best is hearing about how tight he and Manning were at the Pro Bowl the year Belichick coached the AFC. That kind of mutual respect isn’t around as much in sports as it used to be. Agreed on the Seymour moved, I think Belichick’s surrounded by yes men now, to his detriment. Then again, so is Bill Polian.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:35 PM
I just saw this Trey Zeigler kid play basketball in person and UCLA fans will be very happy next year
I dunno I kinda draw the line at watermelon cause the famous blackface cartoon comes to mind. It’s not Limbaugh/Robinson level racist, but it is stupid and stereotypical. Eating collard greens doesn’t honor dr king but it’s nothing to get worked up over. No apology needed as long as someone tells them not to do stupid shit like that anymore.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:36 PM
It’s almost like calling every Asian person Chinese.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:36 PM
The best is hearing about how tight he and Manning were at the Pro Bowl the year Belichick coached the AFC.
I don’t know those stories w/Peyton, but it’s unsurprising. The best one I heard was how he shamed Tony Gonzalez into playing hard on kickoff returns at the same pro bowl.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:37 PM
It’s almost like calling every Asian person Chinese.
or assuming that they’re going to urinate in your soda
January 15th, 2010 at 10:38 PM
I’m not trying to be harsh on pot. I don’t care if people smoke it to be honest with you. I’m being serious, the only people I know who still watch it watch it while smoking weed.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:39 PM
they could say fuck it and not honor him at all. they were doing a southern type of menu not racist. like that dude said people are griping just to be griping.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:39 PM
?????
January 15th, 2010 at 10:39 PM
Hey what do white people eat? Mexicans have tacos, Indians have curry, Asians have rice, blacks have chicken but what about white people? I usually think of beef stroganoff but I don’t know what that is, it just sounds like something white people would eat.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:40 PM
Is it true that people in the South call MLK day Robert E Lee Day?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:42 PM
I’ve always wished the Colts could’ve somehow gotten Tony Gonzalez onto their roster. At least in pro bowls, he and Manning always seemed to have crazy timing for only playing alongside one another once a year.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:42 PM
no i hear they call it “Duke Boys day” after the duke boys from Dukes of Hazzard. not sure though…mak?…jay?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:43 PM
I was on PFT just now, and there was this link to Dom Capers sleeping during the Pack game on Sunday. That’s funny.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:44 PM
Calling it Duke Day and naming it after David Duke sounds more like something the South would do.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:44 PM
so fuck the white boy again? dallas clark isnt too shabby
January 15th, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Or they could I dunno honor him for real. When I think of dr king I don’t think of his favorite food. He’s not fucking Julia childs. Eating chicken is not honoring dr king in my opinion but I’m not gonna try to reason with you because I know your position on everything before you voice it. Continue to take up for the poor defensless white man I’m not going to try to stop or convince you
January 15th, 2010 at 10:46 PM
and them claiming it was in honor of Dukes of Hazzard like they are all clever and shit is really something they would do.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:46 PM
Hey, I’m not unhappy with Clark, but we’re talking about the greatest to ever play the position. It’s not like it as ever feasible, anyway.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:47 PM
’ve always wished the Colts could’ve somehow gotten Tony Gonzalez onto their roster. At least in pro bowls, he and Manning always seemed to have crazy timing for only playing alongside one another once a year.
so fuck the white boy again? dallas clark isnt too shabby
Dallas Clark isn’t even a tight end. He’s a slot receiver who plays ultra tight. Imagine how much better you could run the ball with Gonzalez. That guy has just been stellar, forever now. He’s no longer the best tight end playing, but he’s the best overall that ever played, I’d say.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:47 PM
there is no defense for someone finding racism where there isnt any. so you are right white guys are defenseless.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:48 PM
That Lee Harvey Oswald couldn’t take a bullet for shit.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:49 PM
calm down you two i was joking. tony gonzalez is the best ever. but i would take ditka over him…because im racist.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:50 PM
Or they could I dunno honor him for real.
everybody could keep a dream journal for the month of February
January 15th, 2010 at 10:50 PM
Jamal Crawford on a Biatch!!!!
suns/hawks was a fun game.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:53 PM
Holy shit, what a shot by Crawford. Hawks win. (I think I’m the only one watching this game)
About the menu, its not racist at all, and is testament to how sensative people can be at times. Only reason it became an issue at all was for the school district to avoid it becoming a bigger story due to the fact that one parent took issue with it.
Same question, different story.
/apologies if its been discussed before
January 15th, 2010 at 10:53 PM
i had a dream about big titty’d bitches.
/how my journal would go the entire month of february
January 15th, 2010 at 10:55 PM
They just showed the Greatest Games of the 96 AFC Championship Game. Damn you, Quentin Coryatt, just catch the INT and it’s the Colts getting crushed by the Cowboys in the Super Bowl!
January 15th, 2010 at 10:55 PM
In conclusion about Dallas Clark, Jason Witten should have made first team All Pro.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Yeah, he probably should’ve, and Reggie Wayne should’ve over Wes Welker, but them’s the breaks.
January 15th, 2010 at 10:58 PM
Whatever yo, you have an agenda. same as Jesse and Al, so you’re no better than Jesse or Al. You don’t care about people you care about white people. It’s cool to have pride in your race, I know I do but your whining about inconsequential bullshit is annoying. Is it fucked up that white people get more pc bullshit than other races, sure. But it doesn’t warrant the level of attention your complainig brings. There are real problems out there like in Haiti and your pms whiney bullshit makes you as bad as the people who complained about the school lunch to begin with. That’s what pisses me off, that you complain about people complaining. How hypocritical are you?
January 15th, 2010 at 10:58 PM
They just showed the Greatest Games of the 96 AFC Championship Game. Damn you, Quentin Coryatt, just catch the INT and it’s the Colts getting crushed by the Cowboys in the Super Bowl!
that game had a good ending, unless you hate the Steelers. And I hate the Steelers.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Oh, and for the south/MLK/David Duke thing..
Fuck no.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:01 PM
and Reggie Wayne should’ve over Wes Welker,
I figured that one would piss you off. And really everybody. I know it’s fun to poop on Welker, but he was that team’s whole running game this year. I think Dallas might dangle Marion Barber at them in the offseason, because Belichick loves that guy.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:01 PM
Is it true that people in the South call MLK day Robert E Lee Day?
Hadn’t heard that, but there are a ton of elementary and high schools down here named for Lee and Stonewall Jackson.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:01 PM
i’d have to say yes to that one.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:02 PM
Oh, I loathe the Steelers. I hated them first for the 96 game, then for the 97 game where they crushed the Colts M.A.S.H. unit, then for the 2005 game and Joey Porter’s mere existence following it. But now it’s mostly for the Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings crowd of their fans.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:03 PM
i was being sarcastic about that
January 15th, 2010 at 11:04 PM
Marion Barber would be great for the Pats. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see them go after him. I also fully expect Belichick to go after the Colts’ Antoine Bethea if Polian doesn’t put a first-round tender on him.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:05 PM
no agenda here. if something is racist i would say it was but that wasnt.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:06 PM
In Virginia it’s a joint holiday. Jackson-Lee-King day. Which is fine by me.
I didn’t get that day off working for the state of Pennsylvania, but everyone took off the first day of hunting season. Let’s not confine this stuff to the south, folks.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
wait wayne didnt make the probowl but welker did? wow that is wrong. wayne is a top 5 receiver
January 15th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
To say we’re “honoring” someone black, I don’t think eating fried chicken and collard greens is the way to go. It seems as going the extra mile to offend somebody. The “fried chicken” and “watermelon” thing has been in too many offensive things in the past. Hell, Fuzzy Zoeller just got killed for a joke about it not 10 years ago.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:08 PM
I was taught to hate the Steelers and the Eagles. I caught the extreme tail end of their first dynasty, as a little kid. I can remember rooting so hard for the Rams, even though the Rams had beaten Dallas in the playoffs. I dont’ remember the year before though, when Dallas lost their 2nd superbowl to those same Steelers.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:08 PM
The MLK episode of The Boondocks is one of the best takes on not only black culture, but American culture in general.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:08 PM
All-Pro, not Pro Bowl.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:10 PM
Why is this assumed? Why would they trade him? What would they get for him? I guess I just have a soft spot for him due to all the times he came in and showed how terrible Julius “I love to clip my offensive lines heels” Jones.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:10 PM
I don’t think eating fried chicken
whatever the name of the guy is, there’s a comedian who dresses up like a lady and says he works in craft services (he’s on human giant) and he makes the joke that black people like fried chicken, but do you know who else likes fried chicken? Everybody else.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:11 PM
Yeah, it was good. a “what if MLK was still alive today and see how his dream turned out”. It’s not a reflcetion of our culture s a whole, but it does represent a good number. Sad, really.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:12 PM
I liked the “this is what I took for all the ass whoopin’s for?” line.
I just mean “BET culture,” which is something McGruder hates with an impressive passion.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Why is this assumed? Why would they trade him? What would they get for him?
In order:
1: I just made it up 12 seconds ago – it’s not a real rumor
2: Because they could get value for him
3: something awesome, like two second round draft choices. Or him and Marty B for Sebastian Vollmer and a #2 draft choice.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:13 PM
uncle ruckus really put that episode over the top.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:13 PM
Fetch, didn’t we have this conversation? I’ve always found baseball to be way too much rock/scissors/paper. I’m not saying there’s not a ridiculous amount of nuance there, but in the end, doesn’t it come down to the pitcher and hitter guessing and then the hitter making good contact? In the end, I find it to be more flukey and therefore tougher to root for.
When I’m rooting for my batter to bring home a run, it’s frustrating to just watch him pop out because he was guessing one pitch and that pitch didn’t come. Naturally in football, there’s some giant guessing too (is the blitz coming? Should we be in max protect?). But still, if you have the lines and your QB is mobile, you can still play to your strengths regardless of what the defense is doing. I could write a million words on this – I realize it sounds convoluted, but it’s just a tougher sport to root for.
At least in football, we as fans think we know why things went down the way they did (even if we really don’t). But in baseball, we just hope and when our guys don’t come through, we really have no answers. And that to be is frustrating.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
yeah he really hates themlike no one else. booty booty butt cheeks!
January 15th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
whatever the name of the guy is, there’s a comedian who dresses up like a lady and says he works in craft services (he’s on human giant) and he makes the joke that black people like fried chicken, but do you know who else likes fried chicken? Everybody else.
this
January 15th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
No way Belichick trades Vollmer, he’s his left tackle for the rest of the Brady era. He’s saying goodbye to Dwight Freeney’s Matt Light. Simmons said something today about him hearing that the Pats are blowing it up and getting rid of Moss and Adalius Thomas, too. Can’t blame them for the second part.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:15 PM
I could write a million words on this –
please don’t. please.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:18 PM
The guy on this Full Color Football show being interviewed wearing an American Flag button-up shirt with a bunch of animal heads hanging on the wall behind him.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:20 PM
No way Belichick trades Vollmer, he’s his left tackle for the rest of the Brady era. He’s saying goodbye to Dwight Freeney’s Matt Light. Simmons said something today about him hearing that the Pats are blowing it up and getting rid of Moss and Adalius Thomas, too. Can’t blame them for the second part.
I’ve got the hots for Vollmer. That kid is going to be a stud.
I read that Simmons thing today too. I cant’ find any googly evidence of those rumors yet, although Thomas has been as good as gone since Thanksgiving. He was miserably wasted up there. He played two seasons out of position, and then they tried to change defenses completely, leaving him with no spot at all.
Just a bad strategic year all around up here. I really don’t understand what was wrong with the 3-4 that he wanted to run the 4-3, although there has been a lot of good defenses showing a lot more 4-3 lately.
Also, I hate that the guys who line up right over the tackles in a 3-4 are called defensive ends. That’s dumb.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:21 PM
one of the best things I have read on here brav-fucking-o
/loved his americAn flag tie
January 15th, 2010 at 11:24 PM
A convo about racism? Problems in Haiti? How to fight world wars? Man, I wish we’d get back to talking about video games…
/Mythologizing one’s youth’d
January 15th, 2010 at 11:25 PM
I think he was running out of 3-4 ends, Wilfork was oveweight and Warren was banged up all year. He was trying to cover up for them for a year and hoping his offseason secondary bandaids (Bodden, Springs) could hold up for a year until he could restock with all his stockpiled picks. As we saw, you can’t rebuild on the fly with as diluted as the talent is in the salary cap era unless you have cornerstones. Belichick let some of those cornerstones walk.
Thomas was unbelievable in Baltimore. I still don’t know how the Colts squeaked past that ‘06 defense. Their talent level was insane.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:27 PM
Cursed I am hammered and on a phone, but to be brief. Yeah there is fluky stuff, but it doesn’t involve guessing on the batter or pitcher’s end. If you guess as a batter, you don’t hit the ball, period.
And in baseball, thanks to advanced statistics, we now have really accurate ways of figuring out why things didn’t go according to plan.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:28 PM
I can not wait for Final Fantasy 13
January 15th, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Just keep away with your sexting, although I think Clown is in to it.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Belichick let some of those cornerstones walk.
and gave one away for a big box of hope.
Seriously though, those 4 LB’s from Baltimore, yikes. I still think Ed Reed was in bounds on that INT where he flipped it to the other guy in that game. I never could figure out why there was no challenge (or at least more replays).
January 15th, 2010 at 11:33 PM
nah, don’t want to give Chris Hansen any evidence
January 15th, 2010 at 11:33 PM
You know how when you play Madden NFL there are guys who don’t know what they are doing and just keep on picking Under Smoke or Monster Blitz every play because they just see the name of the play and figure it must be a good play if it has such an cool sounding name?
Well whenever I see Raheem Morris coach the Bucs that’s what he looks like to me, some guys who just calls Monster Blitz every down.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:35 PM
Yeah, that was a terrifying game to watch, their defense was just everywhere. The biggest play of the game was rookie safety Antoine Bethea picking McNair off at the goal line. It was also the game everyone realized Jamal Lewis was finished (except the Browns’ front office). I’ll never forget the Colts last drive, though, where they got the ball with 7:45 on the clock and gave it back with 30 seconds left, throwing the ball only once on the drive. They could never do that today.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:36 PM
Bsanders if Belichick coached the colts from 98 to present how many rings would Indy have in your opinion. I was having this convo with a fellow colts fan who hates Belichick just because he coaches the Pats. I like Dungy and all but I just think BB is superior.
/I said 4 by the way just my opinion
January 15th, 2010 at 11:38 PM
I’ll never forget the Colts last drive, though, where they got the ball with 7:45 on the clock and gave it back with 30 seconds left, throwing the ball only once on the drive.
that’s my kind of football right there. My favorite team last year closing things out with a lead was the Ravens, running unbalanced, with McClain at tailback. Just pure power.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:39 PM
Um, hard to say, but you’re helping yourself and hurting your rival, so at least a couple extra. Plus, the coach’s son wouldn’t have been hung a month before the playoffs.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:42 PM
That’s what scares me about tomorrow. Third and short. It’s the Ravens strength and the Colts biggest weakness on both sides of the ball. The Colts can’t run the ball to close out games like in 2006. Tarik Glenn and Jake Scott are gone and their replacements are average at best, Ryan Diem got old fast, and Jeff Saturday and Ryan Lilja are still above aveage but neither is top five (or eight, really) at his position. All that adds up to penetration and Joseph Addai sidestepping before he reaches the LOS.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:43 PM
Bsanders if Belichick coached the colts from 98 to present how many rings would Indy have in your opinion. I was having this convo with a fellow colts fan who hates Belichick just because he coaches the Pats. I like Dungy and all but I just think BB is superior.
A better hypothetical is how many titles would the Colts have won if they league had always enforced illegal contact like they do now (and was the rule then) and didn’t ever call picks, like they don’t now. It is at least grounded in reality.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:43 PM
When Gruden won the Super Bowl with the Bucs people tried to take credit away from him by saying that he did it with Tony Dungy’s team and that Dungy is the one who built it up for him to win and that much of the credit should go to him.
Agreed.
However, if Dungy was that great a coach then why did someone else have to come in and win it for him with the same players he had? I’m not saying Dungy’s not a great coach, just an observation.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:45 PM
The argument came about because, as many colts fans, if had anything to do with the Pats he hated it, it was stupid, Tom Brady is a terrible etc… I just don’t understand why if you hate a team you can’t appreciate the game played and coached well.
/Unless its the steelers and Big Ben scrambles around like Madden and throws it with his eyes closed to a wide open receiver on 3rd and 28. That I can hate.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:46 PM
That’s what scares me about tomorrow. Third and short.
I don’t think Baltimore gets to run the ball 46 or 52 times this weekend. I think Flacco has to do something to beat the Colts, and I don’t think he can do that something.
On the lines, though, the Colts are going to get ball-blasted. It’s going to be ugly. Just hope it doesn’t go like this for Peyton: Hot Read, Hot Read, Ed Reed.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Jeff Bridges on Conan tonight.
Conan is just going all out, he’s really got the feeling of a guy who truly does not give a fuck and is going to “leave it all on the field,” as it were, suck it NBC.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Still just the one, I think. The 2006 Colts (in the playoff, at least) were the most balanced of the Manning era, which helped them immensely, especially because they weren’t handing off to a beaten into the ground Edge. Harrison and Wayne have always struggled against physical corners, and still do (see the San Diego playoff game last year). If I were a d coordinator I’d be pounding them and pounding them and if I had to take 12 five-yard penalties so be it.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:51 PM
Have there ever been 2 guys taken 1 and 2 in the draft who have had their careers in go in such opposite directions like Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf did? One is arguably the best player ever at his position, the other was one of the biggest busts ever.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:51 PM
I wonder if they will let Conan film new shows until the Olympics or they pull the plug earlier because he is trashing NBC and Leno every night. And if you haven’t seen Kimmel on Jay Leno last night you should it was brutal
January 15th, 2010 at 11:52 PM
It’s myopia, more or less. Is Peyton Manning a better QB than Tom Brady?Of course. Is Tom Brady awesome? Absolutely. Is Tony Dungy a great coach? Yes? Is Bill Belichick better? By far. The 2004 Patriots are the best “team” I’ve seen this decade and the most impressive. What a squad, what a coach, if you could’t appreciate that and how they beat the Colts in the snow that year then, well, you don’t love football.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:52 PM
Have there ever been 2 guys taken 1 and 2 in the draft who have had their careers in go in such opposite directions like Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf did? One is arguably the best player ever at his position, the other was one of the biggest busts ever.
Olajuwon and Bowie. I’ll bet there are a dozen baseball examples, too.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Bowie had a decent career. Leaf … not so much.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:54 PM
Hmmm…I’ll have to try that Under Smoke play. Sounds cool. What type of formation is that?
/Just proved your point’d
January 15th, 2010 at 11:55 PM
Yeah, Bowie – when he played – was actually good. Leaf’s career QB rating in like 30-some starts was like 47 or something.
“Knock it off!”
January 15th, 2010 at 11:56 PM
I mean NFL
January 15th, 2010 at 11:56 PM
Wow, I completely forgot some of the NFL uniforms used to be made by Wilson, with the little cursive W and everything. Must have killed them to lose that cash cow.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Bowie had a decent career.
you obviously weren’t around in the 1980s
January 15th, 2010 at 11:57 PM
Couch and McNabb, only reversed.
January 15th, 2010 at 11:59 PM
I mean NFL
so i have to find you another example of a guy who is the best ever at his position being taken first overall and then having the next guy be an enormous washout, at the same position – and you want to limit me by sport? Hardly seems fair.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com Do your own research.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:01 AM
You’re saying someone who averaged 11 and 7 is analogous to one of the worst QB ratings of all time?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Wasn’t McNabb taken 4th?
I am burning DVD for a client right now. Know that feeling you get when you think your computer is about to crash and and destroy an entire night’s work? Well I have it now.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:04 AM
I think it went Couch, then McNabb, then Smith, then Ricky, then Edge, but I could be wrong.
/Ducks QB’s in the pro, they’re faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantastic
January 16th, 2010 at 12:04 AM
You’re saying someone who averaged 11 and 7 is analogous to one of the worst QB ratings of all time?
I’m saying that you can go look at a stat page and try to discern a player’s career by looking at those numbers, but you can’t even begin to understand how shitty that draft choice was once you saw him break his leg again the the game, and then have that jive with Olajuwon being picked in front of him and his name living forever in infamy because he was picked in front of Jordan.
So yeah, I’m saying that 11-7 for an injury riddled career with a name synonymous with mud is pretty closely evened up to a guy who actually had 21 starts as a pro QB.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:05 AM
When Alexandre Daigle went first, Chris Pronger, Paul Kariya, and Rob Niedermeyer went in the top five behind him.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:05 AM
I think it went Couch, then McNabb, then Smith, then Ricky, then Edge, but I could be wrong.
it was Edge, then Ricky. That’s what made the whole stupid trade from N.O. so stupid.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:05 AM
Was just thinking out loud.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Darko went second right? Who was first that year, Lebron?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Yeah, Dirt, but how many of those games should he have started? I’m all for not giving up on young QB’s (especially when your finances are so closely tied to them) but how the Chargers didn’t pull the plug on Leaf sooner (and the Raiders with Russell) still mystifies me. Then again, there’s probably a reason why I write for blog with WAG’s and don’t work in an NFL front office or locker room.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:07 AM
I was mad that you took such a huge, dismissive dump on my fabulous example.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:07 AM
Jeff Bridges is on Conan. The Big Lebowski is high as fuck. Hilarious interview. His first part was totally Jeffrey.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:08 AM
Well we don’t agree with what he’s synonymous with, so this is pointless.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:08 AM
That’s what I meant to write, of course, as at the time I couldn’t believe 2nd and 5th’s were all the Colts got for Faulk.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:09 AM
That song just threw a brick through the window of my soul.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Yeah, Dirt, but how many of those games should he have started?
same logic applies to Bowie. They knew he was unhealthy in the legs, and he came back after the first pro leg break as a shell of himself.
Did Leaf suck balls? Yeah, but mostly mentally. He possessed the skills, and they’d already paid him. He was a sunk cost, like Russell, at least until the next roster bonus.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Fucking shit the god damn Kordell Stewart stepping out of bounds play again!
January 16th, 2010 at 12:10 AM
Joe Mauer and the guy everyone told them to take, Mark Prior?
Of course, to be fair, had the Twins taken Prior he’d probably be working on Cy Young number 4 by now.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:12 AM
Well we don’t agree with what he’s synonymous with, so this is pointless.
you are a 25 year old video game playing Sam Bowie apologist?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:13 AM
Agreed. I know why they both were still out there slinging for AFC West game four people watched, but I just feel bad for their fans. The two-game Curtis Painter experience has brought the Kelly Holcomb, Paul Justin days back and I hated the feeling of going out there with a QB who you knew would lose you the game.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:13 AM
That was a most awesome interview. I haven’t watched a late night show in many a year. Conan/Jeff Bridges made me laugh out loud. Bridges looks exactly like what The Dude would like at this time in his life.
/Big Lebowski fan.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:14 AM
I’m not apologizing for him, I’m saying he’s not “one of the biggest busts of all time” like Leaf is. Leaf’s career was absolutely horrible in every respect, he was up against one of the best of all time, and washed out of the league in a few seasons. Bowie was good, got hurt, was then a shell of himself, but managed to stay in the league for another decade. If he weren’t between the dream and Jordan it wouldn’t be seen as one of the bigger busts, is all I’m saying.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:15 AM
with a QB who you knew would lose you the game.
If I were a Saints fan, I’d start crying to you right now about the Aaron Brooks era.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:16 AM
I wouldn’t consider someone who gets injured after being drafted a bust. That’s just bad luck. Especially with Prior, when healthy he was good. Leaf, Russell, those are busts.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:16 AM
Exactly what I’m saying.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:16 AM
mole: this draft. Do you still take Fleury?
http://www.hockey-reference.com/draft/NHL_2003_entry.html
January 16th, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Without question, yes.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Aaron Brooks, I remember when Manning had his first 6-TD pass game against his Saints team. Think it was when ESPN still had SNF with Patrick, mustache guy who’s stuck on the ABC sidelines now (Paul McGuire?) and Joe Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezman.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:18 AM
I’m saying he’s not “one of the biggest busts of all time”
if you google biggest NBA busts of all time, he’s on nearly every short list. Here’s one.
I’m sorry for Sam Bowie, but that’s how he’s remembered. You can feel free to revere him if you’d like.
Ryan Leaf is no different than Todd Blackledge, Todd Marinovich, Tim Couch or any of several dozen other guys that just didn’t have it as pro QB’s. Mainly because they got thrown to the wolves too early.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:19 AM
Yancy Thigpen, you muddafucka.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:20 AM
really. I certainly would have to think about it for quite awhile.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:20 AM
Sink or swim, assholes.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:22 AM
Parise and Getzlaf are the only ones I would consider. But considering Fleury won the cup for us, and is locked in at one of the best contracts in hockey, fuck the rest of them. Especially Eric Staal.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:23 AM
Sink or swim, assholes.
anymore, for 30 million dollars, you have to. But some good QBs have come from just sitting over there, and going to meetings for 3 or 4 seasons and learning an offense. Romo, Rodgers, you could even say Warner. When they get thrown to the dogs, most of them get ruined.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:23 AM
The Ravens are going to have to get absurdly lucky and have Peyton make some Brady-esque mistakes (throwing it anywhere near Ed Reed) to win. So I’m hopeful, but not optimistic.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:24 AM
I remember the year the Devils drafted Brouduer they traded down to get him lower in first round and everyone thought they were crazy because Trevor Kidd was rated way higher than him, but I guess it turns out they were right.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:25 AM
From Ryan Leaf’s wikipedia page -
Leaf missed his entire second season because of a shoulder injury uncovered by a preseason physical.
So maybe he got injured too and was never the same.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:26 AM
And considering the Penguins wanted a goalie out of that draft, and in hindsight the second best one was Jarislov Halak, yes, I like that move.
/DiPietro is the biggest hockey bust ever
January 16th, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Jimmy Howard man.
Yeah I guess Fleury was the right move. It would be nice to have Parise on that team though. Especially when MAF’s stats have been similar to Jon Quick’s. Granted MAF has a lot more games under his belt.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Yeah that 2 TD 15 INT first season just lost some of its luster with that shoulder injury.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:28 AM
Oh, that’s definitely the more sound path. Rivers is another example. The Corpse of Carson Palmer is another. I wouldn’t recommend any franchise doing what the Colts did to Manning. Throwing him in there as a rookie, having him take every snap, and asking him to win every game with is arm. A rookie record 28 INT’s and a 3-13 season would derail a lot of guys, I imagine. Thankfully, next year they had a lot of lucky breaks and an easy schedule and became the fraudiest 13-3 team in history.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:29 AM
Howard isn’t there yet but the rest of this season he’ll pass Halak’s stats. Point is, there was absolutely no goalie depth in that draft.
They would not be where they are now if they did that draft differently, end of discussion afaic.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:30 AM
Yeah that 2 TD 15 INT first season just lost some of its luster with that shoulder injury.
I just want you to apply the same criteria from one guy to the other. You apologize for Bowie for his hurtness, even though his injuries were an issue before he was drafted, but you don’t want to cut Leaf any slack, you just want to poop on him. Leaf is no bigger of a bust than Akili Smith.
Whatever moleman.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:31 AM
Aaron Brooks definitely sucked the last few years with the Saints…but I DVR’d the “Hakim Drops the Ball!” game between the Saints and Rams tonight and I’m going to watch it again and again when I get home from work.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:32 AM
See, I think Flacco is actually going to be good (not elite, unless he improves an absurd amount), but he’s just been absolutely mauled by injuries this season. Gaither’s injury issues killed Flacco.
That said, I enjoyed spence’s Flacco/Sanchez article.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:32 AM
Almost official- NBC is near a deal with Conan to let him out of his contract. Probably will sign a deal with Fox early next week.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:35 AM
I think Flacco is actually going to be good (not elite, unless he improves an absurd amount), but he’s just been absolutely mauled by injuries this season.
somebody suss out Elite v good v mediocre v bad. What percentage of 32 teams is each of those? Are there 3 elite QB’s right now, or 4? And how many bad ones are there?
Could there by 7 elite QBs? 14 bad QBs?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:35 AM
No, as I said earlier, Bowie’s first season was not horrible, it was not very good, but it was not worst of all time bad. Leaf’s first season was a complete trainwreck. After one season Bowie could not be looked at as a massive bust, after one season it was absolutely clear that the whole “it’s a tossup between Leaf and Manning” thing was out the window.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:37 AM
I think people where expecting more from Leaf than from Smith. I remember some people where divided on if the Colts should take him or Manning. Some thought Leaf was actually better if my memory is correct.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:37 AM
Also at the time weren’t people questioning the pick in the first place because of his knee problems? It would seem to me the expectations there were already lower and it was seen as a bad pick, but when Leaf got drafted there was still question about could he go before Manning. I just can’t see that as analogous.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:40 AM
there was never a tossup between olajuwon and bowie, so that part didn’t work.
It was just an similar circumstance I pitched out there for Cornholio’s sake (he didn’t care for it) and all of the sudden I’ve got you defending Sam Bowie as if he’s not on every single list everywhere as the biggest bust in NBA history. It’s a set in stone thing. You can’t un-ingrave it with a stat sheet.
If San Diego had been able to sit Ryan Leaf for a year and coach him up, things might have been different for him too. You don’t know, and neither do I. I do know that with very, very few exceptions, starting a QB right from the get-go ends you up without a QB pretty fast.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:40 AM
I have no idea what “elite” means for a QB anymore. The level of QB is so high and he game is so geared toward their success, who knows? It also fluctuates year to year (one year Favre is, one year he isn’t, one year Warner is, one year he’s giving way to Matt Leinart).
I’d say Manning, Rivers, Brady, Brees, Warner and Rodgers are the cream of the crop right now, with Romo and Favre right behind. That’s eight right there. Is that eite enough?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:41 AM
So what you’re saying is, THE SITUATIONS ARE NOT ANALOGOUS.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Also at the time weren’t people questioning the pick in the first place because of his knee problems?
Bowie’s legs kept breaking. He had brittle bones, or some shit.
And besides, it was just an example off the top of my head, I didn’t necessarily want to fight you and your computer about it.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:42 AM
If I remember correctly, the debate was that Manning was more NFL ready but Leaf had a higher upside. Bill Polian to this day maintains he never vacillated and it was Manning all the way. Who knows if that’s true. In hindsight, it’s as easy as eating steak instead of shit.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:43 AM
I loved the Oden comparisons when he first got hurt. People laughed it off. Ohhhhh no they shouldn’t have.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:43 AM
Shit, I forgot TV repairman, he’s in the first group, that’s nine. Fuck, almost a third of the league’s QB’s are elite?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:44 AM
So what you’re saying is, THE SITUATIONS ARE NOT ANALOGOUS.
If you had simply huffed your little huff and gone on with your life an hour ago, instead of rushing to Sam Bowie’s aid, I could have beena sleep already.
But Sam Bowie’s a big ole bust, and now you’re going to have to live the rest of your life knowing that. He’s a broken legged bitch, and you’re his champion.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:44 AM
But then there is a massive drop.
Schaub …. McNabb …. MAYBE Flacco, then crap.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:44 AM
RE: Baseball/football. I haven’t seen Fetch articulate exactly how baseball is more complicated, but I can’t imagine how you can argue a sport that needs thirty coaches a team is less complicated than one that needs four. Further, how can you argue that a sport where Buck Martinez or Dusty Baker can be successful strategists and managing is a handful of decisions a game (that are often fucked up) vs. all the nonsense that goes into every play in football. That said, baseball is still the better sport.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:46 AM
Fuck, almost a third of the league’s QB’s are elite?
That’s why I hate the word. I think two of 32 are elite. Anymore than that, and you have to redefine elite.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:47 AM
You and Fetch and your lot are so cute.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:48 AM
So the Elite Eight should be the Elite Four?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:48 AM
Flacco someday, I hope. I’m not even drinking the Kool-Aid enough to think he’s that good yet. But sure as shit hope he will be. Hell, Flacco right now is the best QB in team history…that’s sad.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:48 AM
Nah, that just doesn’t sound right.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:48 AM
My point was Flacco is potentially a mediocre quarterback. He’s got no chance at elite status. He’s never going to be a top 10 guy. He’s a middle of the pack QB, if he gets quite a bit better (and gets some wide receivers, and if Todd Heap becomes his second tight end).
January 16th, 2010 at 12:48 AM
I dunno, I think Rivers is better than Brady right now, can we make it three?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:49 AM
I do love baseball far more than football, and agree on the nuance thing, but I’m too tired and feeling too lazy to argue about it.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:50 AM
Still say he’s fucked when Mason really retires.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:51 AM
I dunno, I think Rivers is better than Brady right now, can we make it three?
I had Manning and Brees, with Rivers knocking on the door, and then Brady.
Elite
Top Tier
Very Good
Good
Mediocre
Inconsistent
Bad
Awful
4 per slot?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:52 AM
I don’t think you need to have as many “bad” categories, there are certainly more than four awful QBs in the league.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:52 AM
I’ll cry.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:52 AM
Should I watch The Brothers Bloom or The Men Who Stare at Goats?
January 16th, 2010 at 12:52 AM
Still say he’s fucked when Mason really retires.
because having game winning touchdowns bounce off your face makes you indispensible. Mason goes down as the worst wide receiver to ever catch 1000 balls, if he plays next year.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:54 AM
Rivers is better than Brees, IMO, simply because if the team I’m rooting for has the lead with two minutes left and the other team has the ball down four, the only guy I’d less rather see with the ball than Rivers is 18.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:54 AM
That may be, but if he doesn’t play, his top receiver is Mark Clayton followed by Kelley Washington. He’s fucked.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:56 AM
How hall voters decide who is a HOFer as a WR now is beyond me, with as duped as the numbers are. Moss, Harrison and T.O. from this “yet to officially retire” generation should all get in, but I don’t know about anyone else.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:56 AM
Rivers is better than Brees, IMO
dunno, maybe.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:57 AM
Issac Bruce is in.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:57 AM
We really have two needs: WR and CB. I swear, I might lose my fucking mind if Frank Walker isn’t released the day the season ends. I don’t care if he picks off Peyton 17 times tomorrow, I still want him released. Fuck him.
Sorry, I just hate Frank Walker so much.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:58 AM
How hall voters decide who is a HOFer as a WR now is beyond me
first they all have a good 15 minute cry that there are no QBs to cram in there, then they tear up all of the paperwork on any offensive linemen. Then, they count rings, then catches, then if the guy was white, then they check again for a QB to induct, then they pick.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:59 AM
I kept thinking they were saying “Frank Welker” on that broadcast. I was stumped.
January 16th, 2010 at 12:59 AM
Isaac Bruce is in.
Disagree. I think Cris Carter waits at least 7 more years.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:00 AM
Billy, you’re dreaming if you don’t think 18’s going to town on Walker all day tomorrow. It’s going to be like Reggie Wayne on the deceased Darrent Williams in 2007 out there.
And, yeah, Bruce should get in, but it’s going to take him forever, I think.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:01 AM
I may save this for a possible future post.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:02 AM
Oh, I don’t doubt it. I’m hoping Walker just keeps it under 3 PIs tomorrow. I fucking despise him.
Webb was actually looking decent until his knee injury, but he’s tiny, just like Foxworth. That’s actually the teams biggest need, IMO, a CB with size. I’m sure Ozzie will do the right thing though, he always does.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:02 AM
Bruce doesn’t have the TDs, but on yardage and average he’s got all but Moss beat. I realize he played on one of the most pass happy teams in league history, but you can’t keep out the guy who is second in career yardage. Not first ballot, but he’s getting in.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:03 AM
I may save this for a possible future post.
just don’t mention Sam Bowie. That’s the moleman’s dad or something.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:03 AM
I bet Moss, Harrison and T.O. all don’t get in on the first ballot because they all have various “character issues” (though Harrison’ alleged “issues” are much more signficant) and old white guys in a dying position don’t like bad dudes.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:03 AM
No my dad hates the NBA because it’s too “urban.”
January 16th, 2010 at 1:04 AM
That could actually help Bruce, considering he’s considered one of the classier guys in the league. He gives tons back to the community and United Way fucking loves him.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:06 AM
Bruce doesn’t have the TDs, but on yardage and average he’s got all but Moss beat.
Isaac Bruce was the third most dangerous option on those Rams teams, and by the end Torrie Holt will have more catches than he will. And they’re not both getting in.
Does Isaac Bruce have any All Pros?
January 16th, 2010 at 1:06 AM
Moss, Harrison and T.O. are Bruce’s biggest obstacle. All three guys were better than him and was there ever a year when Bruce was the “best WR in the league”? All those guys can make that claim. That’s why it will take him a while to get in. That and some QB will take his spot.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:06 AM
Dirt I’ll just say this.
Bowie was absolutely one of the worst picks in sports history, but I don’t think that automatically makes him one of the biggest busts. He shouldn’t have been taken there based on what everyone knew BEFORE the draft. Leaf was seen as a can’t miss QB. That’s why I don’t see them as the same.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:07 AM
I bet Moss, Harrison and T.O. all don’t get in on the first ballot because they all have various “character issues”
they’re supposed to ignore that stuff. They even found a way to get Michael Irvin in there reasonably quickly.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:08 AM
exactly
January 16th, 2010 at 1:08 AM
Holt is going to need more than 3000 more yards. Considering he hasn’t averaged 1000 per since 2007, I seriously doubt he will be passing him.
Bruce does have all pro yes.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:09 AM
Oops thought you said yards not catches.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:11 AM
Leaf was seen as a can’t miss QB.
this is the part that isn’t true. Never mind that there are very, very few “can’t miss” NFLers, this wasn’t the case in his draft year. There were lots and lots of people with lots and lots of doubts. QBs go super high in the draft.
Example: Jeff George was a #1 overall pick in the draft, and at least half of pundits had huge, huge questions.
The whole ESPN Manning/Leaf thing wasn’t really there. The guy drafting was Bill Polian. He knows what he’s doing.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:11 AM
Bruce has four pro bowls and no “official” all pro appearances. In the age in which he played, and with Holt, it might be tough.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:12 AM
Holt’s done. He plays one more year tops. And I agree with moleman on Bowie. Not living up to expectations, being a stupid fucking pick, is not the same as can’t miss now out of the sport not due to injury in a few years. Darko seems like a much better analogy.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:13 AM
You can’t say Leaf was a ‘can’t miss’ guy, because even there were even questions about Troy Aikman and Peyton Manning.
You can say Leaf is a bust and a half, I don’t mind. I really don’t. You can call him a cocksucker, and a thief and a drug addict.
Just let me please stop defending him.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:13 AM
Fine change it from can’t miss to being seen on par with Manning. Bill knew who he was drafting, but there was lots of media talk about who was going to be better and that it was really a toss up as to who would be the better pro. As you pointed out, that was not the case with Bowie. Leaf made sense at number two. Bowie did not.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:14 AM
The whole ESPN Manning/Leaf thing wasn’t really there. The guy drafting was Bill Polian. He knows what he’s doing.
He wasn’t considered can’t miss (for the reasons you said) but there was certainly a debate on which of those two guys to take. It might have been only among ignorant people, but a lot of ignorant sportswriters were taking Leaf too.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:14 AM
Issac Bruce was All Pro in 1999.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:14 AM
Bruce has four pro bowls and no “official” all pro appearances. In the age in which he played, and with Holt, it might be tough.
No all pros. That’s what I thought. I love Bruce. Class Act, great guy, good receiver. Not a hall of fame receiver.
Those cocksuckers had better put Russ Grimm in there though.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:15 AM
Looking at all these stats, I don’t see any WR ever replicating Harrison’s 1999-2002 stretch.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:17 AM
Unless you’re going to argue that Sporting News’ All Pro team doesn’t count, and considering the HoF recognizes it as All Pro, that would be wrong.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:18 AM
Sporting News, not AP, the official endorser. Bruce’s best season, by far, was 1995, which was to WR’s as 1998 was to home run hitters. Victim of circumstance.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:18 AM
1 All Pro Second Team. I just don’t think it’s enough for Bruce.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:19 AM
When Bruce comes up for HoF consideration he will have one first team all pro on his resume.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:20 AM
I guess that’s true the HoF does recognize it.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:21 AM
And T.O. has five, Moss four, Harrison three and even Holt has one.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:22 AM
I wish Jimmy Smith would get in. Never happen though.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:22 AM
When Bruce comes up for HoF consideration he will have one first team all pro on his resume.
But it won’t be from the Associated Press. It will still be a great honor. Trouble is, the guys he’s running against will have lots of all pros and equivalent numbers of catches and/or yards.
Troy Brown has one All Pro receiving season. So does Derrick Mason.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:22 AM
And Bruce will still have more yards than all of them. He won’t get in over the first three, but I definitely think he gets in over Holt.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:23 AM
I wish Jimmy Smith would get in. Never happen though.
that guy tore the league apart for like 8 seasons. But it’s become a numbers game.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:23 AM
Again, the NFL and the Hall of Fame recognize TSN All Pros as being first team All Pros. Irrelevant.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:24 AM
I’m just saying if one gets in past those three from this generation, I think it’s Bruce, and I do think he will eventually get in.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:25 AM
TST good point the Darko comparison is better, considering that dude just fucking sucks, and people loved that guy, the white KG he was. Still got more rings than Melo though I guess.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:25 AM
Eh, Jimmy Smith was great, but he’s not getting in.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:26 AM
And Bruce will still have more yards than all of them.
Moss and TO will both end with more yards than Bruce. They’re both hot on his heels already.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:27 AM
I’m just saying if one gets in past those three from this generation, I think it’s Bruce, and I do think he will eventually get in.
There’s Holt, two time NFL champion Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne. It’s going to be some tough lists he’s on, and I don’t personally like his chances.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:28 AM
Herman Moore was a first-team all pro for three straight during one of the most pass-happy periods in NFL history, where are his Terrell Davis-esque HoF campaigners?
January 16th, 2010 at 1:28 AM
Moss definitely you’re right I forgot how close he was. Not sure on TO though, if Bruce plays one more and TO plays two, Bruce might keep it.
He definitely will have a lot more than Holt and anyone else who would be considered.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:29 AM
Reggie Wayne’s going to need at least four more 1,000-yard seasons to be up for consideration. He’s got Harrison and the “Manning” thing working against him.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:29 AM
Moss definitely you’re right I forgot how close he was. Not sure on TO though, if Bruce plays one more and TO plays two, Bruce might keep it.
Bruce is already retired. And TO’s like 300 yards behind him.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:30 AM
Damn I forgot about Hines. Though I think he gets in no matter what because there will be a lot of sentiment when he retires that he’s the best blocking WR of all time, not sure if that will really impact the guys who were “traditional” receivers. Wayne is like eight years younger though, don’t think they’ll be competing for a spot really.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:31 AM
Did Bruce already announce? Last I heard he said he was leaning towards it but hadn’t made his mind up, granted that was last month.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:32 AM
and for HOF receivers, you still have to sit behind Tim Brown and Cris Carter before you get in.
So that’s at least 5 guys in front of Bruce in line.
Herman Moore was super good. He was big and caught a lot of balls from crappy QBs.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:32 AM
Wayne’s 31, Hines is 33. Wayne took four years to become a huge threat.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:33 AM
Did Bruce already announce? Last I heard he said he was leaning towards it but hadn’t made his mind up, granted that was last month.
it’s done. They even let him start the last game as a 49er, because he was riding the bench, because he was retiring (and I think they played St Louis).
January 16th, 2010 at 1:33 AM
Brown surely has to get in before Bruce is even eligible though right? Isn’t Timmy up this year? Can’t picture him having to wait ten years to get in.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:33 AM
Wayne took four years to become a huge threat.
there’s just the one football in use during games.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:34 AM
Ah well that’s a shame, yeah TO should pass him then.
Assuming TO doesn’t just retire, which with him I wouldn’t be remotely shocked.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:35 AM
The real quesiton is, 18 years on, who will be the sportswriter who takes up Bruce’s cause and turns him into Art Monk? Bryan Burwell?
January 16th, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Brown surely has to get in before Bruce is even eligible though right? Isn’t Timmy up this year? Can’t picture him having to wait ten years to get in.
there are no more magic numbers. Tim Brown should get in quickly, in front of Carter, because he was also a badass punt returner in addition to having approximately 1100 catches. But lately, the Hall hates the Raiders, so he may have to wait, because he also won no championships.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:36 AM
Well if character is an issue, Carter might be waiting too, ol’ Mafia McGee over there.
Fuck Cris Carter.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:38 AM
turns him into Art Monk?
He deserves to be there. That guy was great. I can’t prove it with numbers, because the 80’s Redskins played running football, but that guy was a 3rd down conversion waiting to happen. Man was he good.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:38 AM
Well, yeah, and Harrison was the same way. He was really good from day one (he was good with Paul Justin throwing to him), but it wasn’t until year four that he had 1,000 yards. Wayne can get the numbers, but he’s played in like 130 straight games as it is. An injury is coming, it’s just a matter of whether or not it’s a career sapper like Harison’s.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:40 AM
Why is T.J. Houshmanzadeh doing analysis for ESPN?
January 16th, 2010 at 1:41 AM
This was something I’m surprised nobody brought up in the baseball/football discussion. Sure there are former MLB players on ESPN, but for football coverage the only requirement anymore is “you played in the NFL.”
January 16th, 2010 at 1:42 AM
Why is T.J. Houshmanzadeh doing analysis for ESPN?
Either
A: Eye Candy
or
B: They just don’t have anybody else. 27 guys all called in sick
January 16th, 2010 at 1:43 AM
Miklasz is our big Hall push guy. He got Roger Wehrli in acouple years ago and he’s gonna push the fuck out of Warner/Holt/Bruce/Pace, especially Bruce because he fucking loves him. Bruce is done as Dirt said, he was inactive I think from week 10 on, and they did let him dress and play one whole snap in that last game against the Rams.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:44 AM
This was something I’m surprised nobody brought up in the baseball/football discussion. Sure there are former MLB players on ESPN, but for football coverage the only requirement anymore is “you played in the NFL.”
did you see Inside the NFL? They trotted out Junior Seau, and he just immediately began stammering on about Favre and Romo, because that’s the job. Talking head, talking about quarterbacks.
Football is made for talking about, and any idiot can do it.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:46 AM
Pace is a guarantee. Faulk is a guarantee. Warner probably goes in as a Barcelona Dragon or Iowa Barnstormer, not a Ram.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:47 AM
Thus, the origin of riiiiiiiiiiings!
January 16th, 2010 at 1:47 AM
I didn’t bother listing Faulk because there was no point. O linemen still need love.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:48 AM
Elite – Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers
Top Tier – Favre, Roethlisberger, Warner, Rodgers
Very Good – Romo, McNabb, Manning, Palmer
Good – Ryan, Flacco, Schaub, Orton
Mediocre – Campbell, Cutler, Hasselbeck, Young
Inconsistent – Sanchez, Henne, Stafford, Cassel
Bad – Garrard, Bulger, Smith, Fitzpatrick
Awful – Russell, Quinn, Delhomme, Freeman
That was fun.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:48 AM
Damnit. Men who stare at goats won’t stream to my 360, brothers bloom it is.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:50 AM
Brother’s Bloom was good, and goats supposedly sucks. So you’re a lucky man. Steal Moon instead. Night all.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:52 AM
David Garrard is better than Mark Sanchez.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:52 AM
They got about the same reviews. Good performances, story lacking.
I stole Moon, forgot to watch it.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:53 AM
i’m out fellas.
Oh, I have to go to a dinner party tomorrow night and i’m watching the two games when i get home. Please no spoilers in the comments.
Thanks in advance.
January 16th, 2010 at 1:54 AM
I would buy that to be honest the bottom 12 was difficult as shit
January 16th, 2010 at 2:14 AM
2 inches in a girl counts. if yuour in your in.
January 16th, 2010 at 2:25 AM
This movie is pretty good thus far. Shame it got shafted by the studio.
I have a feeling Shutter Island is going to break Mark Ruffalo wide open.
January 16th, 2010 at 2:44 AM
Holy crap and that was before the wine bottle scene. BEST ACTOR GOING.
January 16th, 2010 at 3:39 AM
Pretty cool movie. Definitely mis-marketed as a comedy though, especially considering the blatant pedophilia mentioned on multiple occasions.
January 16th, 2010 at 3:40 AM
Oh God I think I shat myself.