Paul Shirley’s Modest Proposal for Haiti Gets Him Fired From ESPN
ESPN, Ignorance, Media Gossip/Musings, NBA January 27th. 2010, 12:30pm
ESPN cut ties with NBA player turned author Paul Shirley after an inflammatory column that criticized relief efforts in Haiti. Those of a certain bent will frame this politically and make him a martyr, but it’s not a case of valid viewpoint discrimination. Shirley’s words were inexplicably ignorant.
Historical issues can be explained two basic ways, structure and agency. Structural explanations focus on environmental factors, while agency-centric explanations focus on the individuals involved. Responsible historicism blends the two. “Using history as his guide,” Shirley attributes so much to agency it defies logic.
He blames the Haitians themselves for the disaster.
Before the reader reaches for his or her blood pressure medication, he should allow me to explain. I don’t mean in any way that the Haitians deserved their collective fate. And I understand that it is difficult to plan for the aftermath of an earthquake. However, it is not outside the realm of imagination to think that the citizens of a country might be able to: A) avoid putting themselves into a situation that might result in such catastrophic loss of life. And B) provide for their own aid, in the event of such a catastrophe.
He blames the Haitians for living in Haiti.
If forced to do so through logic-colored glasses, no one would look at Haiti and think, “You know what? It was a great idea to put 10 million people on half of an island. The place is routinely battered by hurricanes (in 2008, $900 million was lost/spent on recovery from them), it holds the aforementioned title of poorest nation in the Western hemisphere, and it happens to sit on a tectonic fault line.”
Mr. Shirley, look at the skin color of 95 percent of the Haitian population. They weren’t given “logic-colored glasses.” They weren’t given a choice. Enlightened westerners whisked them away from their villages, provided them a one-way passage across the Atlantic chained to the bowels of a ship, and sold them into lifelong toil.
After earning their freedom, that was their home. They had been there for hundreds of years. Even assuming they had the means and perfect knowledge, there was no definite homeland in Africa. It was also 1804. Every other place in the western world had slavery and the slave trade. They were stuck.
Shirley harps on Haiti’s poverty and poor infrastructure blaming them for the disaster’s aftermath.
First of all, kudos on developing the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. Your commitment to human rights, infrastructure, and birth control should be applauded.
Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, primarily because it had the poorest starting point. Most Caribbean countries who wanted independence had 100 years or more of colonialism post-slavery. They achieved independence in a safe post World War II environment, with intact political structures, with well-educated elites and with strong economic ties.
Haiti went straight from plantation to independence, more than 100 years before anyone else, when black slave rebellion was the Western world’s greatest nightmare. The country had few economic ties, no infrastructure and no education. France still viewed Haiti as a colony in rebellion well into the 19th century, only recognizing independence when Haitians agreed to pay 150 million francs in property restitution, for themselves.
Stability is required to build and maintain infrastructure (See Dark Ages in Western Europe). Haiti began with societal destruction and a power vacuum, and has still been struggling to attain it.
People are responsible for their own destinies, but can only operate within the constraints society gives them. Shirley should understand limitations. No amount of initiative would have made him the next Kareem.
Finally, Shirley at his most callous, blames the Haitians for reproducing, as he hinted when referring to “birth control.”
What I do know is that it is not the responsibility of the outside world to provide help. It’s nice if we do, but it is not a requirement, especially when people choose to influence their own existences negatively, whether by having too many children when they can’t afford them or by failing to recognize that living in a concrete bunker might not be the best way to protect one’s family, whether an earthquake happens or not.
His sentiment is hardly original. It was the English attitude toward Ireland for hundreds of years, one that Jonathan Swift skewered in his great satire “A Modest Proposal.”
It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.
I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.
Swift continues outlining in fine detail a plan for the Irish to harvest their own children as a food source. If only they had had blogs in the 1700s.
Unlike Mr. Shirley, I do feel responsible for helping Haiti. Maybe it’s guilt because my ancestors screwed them and left me in a position of privilege. Maybe it’s because I believe if you live by Jesus’ “teach them to fish” parable, you also equally need to account for him feeding the hungry and healing the sick without question. Maybe it’s because I have not become jaded enough to let my masterful intellect override my natural instinct to help people who need it and criticize others who wish to do so.
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January 27th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Duffy, if this doesn’t win you some type of award, I don;t know what to tell you. Amazing job.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:32 PM
Paul Shirley = A product of an Iowa St. education.
Also, I’ve never liked this guy. His smugness factor is off the charts.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
I agree with Jersey. Good job Ty.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:34 PM
What does menarky think of all this?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Great piece, Duffy.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:35 PM
well done, Duffy
January 27th, 2010 at 12:36 PM
Black people deal with earthquakes like this..
January 27th, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Standing Ovation
January 27th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
People are responsible for their own destinies, but can only operate within the constraints society gives them.
Can I change my name to this?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:38 PM
This was a really, really good post. Awesome, Ty.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:39 PM
i skimmed through and only read the shirley quotes. guess i have to read the whole thing now since everyone says it was good.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Duffy-I couldn’t have said it better, and I’m a History Prof that teaches courses on Haiti/Caribbean/general Latin American history. You hit it out of the park. Awesome.
Let me also add to the critics who say we have no responsibility to help the Haitians: Haiti was the second independent republic in the western hemisphere (the first was the US, of course). Instead of welcoming a sister republic who had thrown off the chains of a European empire, the US (under the administration of the “enlightened” slaveholder Thomas Jefferson) immediately slapped a total trade embargo on Haiti and its people. This was repeated throughout the West, thus ensuring that Haiti was *completely* isolated from the currents of the industrial revolution and technological growth that so benefited the rest of the western world. So that pretty much destroys the “it’s their fault they’re poor” argument.
Paul Shirley is a prime example of one of those self-important gasbags who knows just enough history to make his overall ignorance dangerous, and not a smidge more.
Thanks again, duffy.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Surely, You would like plastic right?
Paper.
/and dont call me Shirley, Shirley
//Duffy, i don’t i have agreed with everything you said in a post until this one, good stuff
January 27th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
I’m almost certain Menarky will not comment anymore. I hope he can take a joke.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
This was certainly a refreshing break from dick posts.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:40 PM
Best thing I’ve read since I’ve been here.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Um….
January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
FUCK ESPN!!!
January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
//Duffy, i don’t i have agreed with everything you said in a post until this one, good stuff
even this?
Maybe it’s because I have not become jaded enough to let my masterful intellect override by natural instinct to help people who need it and criticize others who wish to do so.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
I’ll echo the sentiment in the room – kudos to you Ty – very well written.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Nice work Duffy. You must be Canadian.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Like Chris Rock said, “all you did was come out of your mother’s pussy on American soil. That’s it. That’s it! What, you think you’re better than somebody from France (or Haiti) cause you came out of a pussy in Detroit?”
January 27th, 2010 at 12:42 PM
Are you going to take on David Brooks, too?
Not that I agree with Shirley specifically, but it’s absolutely cowardly of ESPN to can him because of this, if that’s what happened.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
Hey where is BobbybeingManny to call you all Duffy loving cocksuckers?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
In all seriousness, great post Ty.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
I’m so glad duffy decided to tackle this topic.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
lets play menarky ad libs. that kid looks like a ____________
January 27th, 2010 at 12:43 PM
nice post, aside from the title.
shirley was a freelance writer, not an ESPN writer. he wasn’t technically fired because he never really worked for them, and them alone.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:44 PM
Best stuff Duffy’s done since the takedown of U.S. Soccer (which was excellent). Bravo.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
So we can blame the French?
/America! F*ck Yeah!
January 27th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Have you ever tried reading his music posts? Guh. I still liked his book, but holy hell does he come off as an idiot with this article. Sounds like somebody let “I’m writing on ESPN.com! I have an audience! I am important!” go to his head.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:45 PM
good stuff, Duffy. rules of the internet demand I now insult/make fun of you to even out my praise of your post:
what I learned: Jonathan Swift and TyDuffy use the same thesaurus.
/seriously, good post.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
I don’t entirely agree with it, but it’s extremely well done duffy.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
Meant to say i agree with everything he said. i can’t type
January 27th, 2010 at 12:46 PM
I had only read Shirley’s part about using condoms. I feel like an ass saying I agreed with him in an earlier thread.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
was this recent?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
you didn’t see the press release on twitter then spencer. true, this guy shirley — never heard of him before — was a freelancer, but bspn made clear why he is no longer affiliated with them.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:47 PM
Hypocrite. I’ve heard you tell chicks in bars that you’re a TBL writer.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
I wonder what Shirley’s review of that Liberian documentary would be.
Not surprised a white guy from Kansas is incredibly ignorant.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
and there’s the mrjrjrjerjr we all know and love…
January 27th, 2010 at 12:48 PM
What does menarky think of all this?
lets play menarky ad libs. that kid looks like a ____________
coloured.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
i don’t agree with shirley, but he did present a good analogy in his thing:
those are pretty good points…delievered like a moron, but good points nonetheless.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
Excellent post.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:49 PM
well in that case…GODDAMN FRENCH!
/FREEDOM FRIES’D
January 27th, 2010 at 12:50 PM
Matt Taibbi already did a pretty good job of this last week.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:51 PM
I don’t entirely agree with it, but it’s extremely well done duffy.
me too. Not so “high and mighty” as usual. Well done.
/I still blame the French
My lawn guy is from Haiti. Super nice guy. His entire family lives here, but he told me every friend (including his best) he had there is dead/missing. So sad.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:51 PM
actually this falls on whitey’s shoulders again. GODDAMN WHITEY!
January 27th, 2010 at 12:52 PM
/Dick Joke.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
hah nice touch at the end
January 27th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
C’mon spence. So you can’t live near an ocean, near fault lines, anywhere in the vicinity of a volcano, in tornado territory, where hurricanes hit, or anywhere there’s the potential for a natural disaster? Then where the fuck does Mr. Shirley suggest we live?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Matt Taibbi already did a pretty good job of this last week.
yep.
TRANSLATION: Although it is true that Haiti was just like five minutes ago a victim of a random earthquake that killed tens of thousands of people, I’m going to skip right past the fake mourning period and point out that Haitians are a bunch of lazy n%%%ers who can’t keep their dongs in their pants and probably wouldn’t be pancaked under fifty tons of rubble if they had spent a little more time over the years listening to the clarion call of white progress, and learning to use a freaking T-square, instead of singing and dancing and dabbling in not-entirely-Christian religions and making babies all the fucking time. I know I’m supposed to respect other cultures and keep my mouth shut about this stuff, but my penis is only four and a third inches long when fully engorged and so I’m kind of at the end of my patience just generally, especially when it comes to “progress-resistant” cultures.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
who’s menarky?
I was with Shirley for about the 1st paragraph but when he didn’t bring in Haiti getting independent and starting poor, well, I wanted to punch him in the face. Then I realized he’s tall and i’ll never meet him. So I ate some doritos.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:54 PM
why can’t you have a white lawn guy jpq? You big racist
January 27th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Not to be overly dramatic, but Paul Shirley is a microcosm of race problems in the U.S.–one should never generalize of course, but given the history of blacks and whites here, we all tend to do so too much.
In this case–think: This guy played in the NBA so he’s been spending time around black people for a while considering the racial skew in the sport. Hell he probably has black friends and colleagues–yet has a viewpoint that is extremely prejudiced.
But very often people will wonder why a black person will have sentiments that someone is racist/prejudiced without any concrete proof. This guy shows why.
If someone (let’s say Darrell for instance) would’ve come to you yesterday sayin–”man I don’t know what it is, but I just don’t trust Paul Shirley. I think he’s racist man”
You would’ve said they were paranoid and crazy and so on. Yet and still…he’s racist and/or prejudiced (depending on which light you wanna view it in).
January 27th, 2010 at 12:55 PM
This guy is still an idiot. It’s amazing how far Sri Lanka has come 5 years since the Tsunami. Sri Lanka is a top tourist destination in the world right now and is a pivotal part of the countries economy. Take that away and say they are on their own if it happens again? The chance of a Tsunami happening again of that magnitude is absolutely minimal. This guy talks out his ass and has no idea what he’s talking about.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
The Desert. Wait what the fuck you mean drought?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Spencer, how are those good points? You’re telling me the human population should all live somewhere where a natural disaster MIGHT not happen? Basically the entire world’s population lives on a fucking fault line or in an area where there could be a hurricane or a tornado. New Orleans is a fucking PORT CITY off the ocean and the Mississippi river. People shouldn’t live there?
January 27th, 2010 at 12:56 PM
I agree with David Brooks
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
C’mon spence. So you can’t live near an ocean, near fault lines, anywhere in the vicinity of a volcano, in tornado territory, where hurricanes hit, or anywhere there’s the potential for a natural disaster? Then where the fuck does Mr. Shirley suggest we live?
That’s not the point. The point is that when you live in these areas (which are often exotic), you inherit the risks that come with them.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
That would be even more racist. Only solution: do your own yardwork.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
As I began reading, I was hoping something like this was coming. Awesome.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Is your butler Hispanic, your chauffeur Native American and your pool boy black?
/you threw me a softball, JPQ
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Uh, Iowa State University is ranked higher than the University of Kansas. But for what it’s worth, the Iowa State fans I know stopped claiming Shirley a long time ago because, as you mention, he’s unbelievably arrogant/smug.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
Please, we shouldn’t help Haitians because that’s like feeding stray animals
/South Carolina governor’d
January 27th, 2010 at 12:57 PM
The Desert. Wait what the fuck you mean drought?
Well, the amount of water we have to bring into LA is pretty fucking cost ineffective.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
It’s going to be tough to steer the wheel back to how Oden’s dong is wearing Macolm Gladwell’s hair.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
I’m not a history professor, so somebody help me out: if Haiti achieved independence in 1804, but whitey was still keeping him down . . . then how long has it actually been since Haiti has been “free” to, well, clean up their act? Earnest question.
January 27th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
IOWA STATE SUCKS.
/obligated
January 27th, 2010 at 12:59 PM
Yes, but that’s not a good point. Natural disasters literally happen everywhere.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
I am just astounded that jpq has a “lawn guy”. Mr. Moneybags Mcgee!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
HA!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
New Orleans is a fucking PORT CITY off the ocean and the Mississippi river. People shouldn’t live there?
They can live there, sure. But everyone living there or investing there should know that the area is prone to hurricanes and resides several feet under sea level.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
cough cough
January 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
Stanley told me that it’s “collard”.
Sincerely,
Michael Scott
Dunder-Mifflin Paper Co.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:00 PM
Great job, duffy. Fantastic piece.
Agreed. If there’s some kind of organization/contest that you can submit this to, do so.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Finally, Shirley at his most callous, blames the Haitians for reproducing, as he hinted when referring to “birth control.”
How Malthusian of him.
This was a great post Duffy. I agree with Mike that ESPN was cowardly to let him go based on sentiment expressed in one column–where is the freedom of expression afterall–but with how clumsily Shirley made his points, clearly he didn’t think this through after writing the first draft. Paul, this is probably one you should have written and then put into a desk drawer never to see the light of day.
Also, some of Shirley’s points are ludicrous, but you guys already knew that.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
The whole coast of California is inheriting this right now. Wait til yellowstone erupts and we are all fucked. Point is, there is potential for disaster everywhere. It’s the nature of the beast. Prepare and know how to re-act to them.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
Awesome, awesome post.
There are historic reasons why people settle where they do. No part of the world is technically free from natural disasters; I know some cities have precautions against them, but when an Earthquake of that magnitude hits say, even California, the result would still be devastating.
I still can’t believe people blame poor people for being poor. Those who turn to crime as a means of getting out, I don’t have sympathy for, but poor people work hard as well, and do as much as they can to provide for thier families. Coming from one of the poorest countries in the world, I’ve seen it first hard. If anyone tells me its the fault of poor people that they are as such, it makes me wanna smack them in thier fucking face.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
shirley needs to post a picture of his weiner on the internet to make people forget about this
January 27th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
In being gay? Agreed
January 27th, 2010 at 1:01 PM
I am just astounded that jpq has a “lawn guy”. Mr. Moneybags Mcgee!
Even after someboyd took his jerrrrb!!! Only in America.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Yes, but that’s not a good point. Natural disasters literally happen everywhere.
BUT, the occur more frequently in certain areas. It’s 2010 – these areas are well documented.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:02 PM
No, that IS the point dude. Let’s look at some major cities in the United States. Every single one of them is prone to a natural disaster.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:02 PM
Blizzards and the possibility of a glacier taking over your house is considered a natural disaster, Fetch.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:04 PM
are you fucking kidding me?
you want to live by a fault line or volcano, be my fucking guest. just don’t be surprised when this shit happens.
im not saying we shouldn’t help them or feel sorry for them, just don’t be surprsied if something bad happens.
jesus fucking christ…stop reading into shit.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:04 PM
SG- Chi-town, woot woot! No disasters here!
/unless you own a bungalow then your basement is prone to flooding
January 27th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
re lawn guys: I had a white guy when we first moved here. He sucked. The Haitian guy has done our lawn for 7 years, is fantastic, and a really nice guy. I spent 25 minutes last night in the dark last night jumping his truck battery that died in our neighborhood. If you think I’m racist, knock yourselves out. He doesn’t seem to mind the $1,500/year I give him.
Matt Taibbi is a cockbag
January 27th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Good thing this documentation existed before people settled where they did. It didn’t? Oh. Lets just move hundreds of millions of people to locations that you find more suitable. That would be possible/end well.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Do cows and drunken neighbors count as a natural disaster?
/Mrs. O’Leary’d
January 27th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Shirley could’ve used some more tact in certain parts, but definitely treaded lightly in other areas.
I agree with him.
His points on risk weren’t written too well, but it’s a topical debate. Why should the healthy pay for the obese? Why should some states receive less federal money than they give? I mean of course my car insurance in NYC should be greater than someone in Vermont, right? Same goes for home insurance for someone who lives in Key West, FL vs. say Michigan.
He was too overt in his implication that “they deserve it,” though. Just say…Hey it’s a risky area. Earthquakes aren’t going away there or in California. Nor is there never going to be another tsunami or massive flood in New Orleans for the next thousand years.
As for the trendiness and hypocrisy of some celebs, I just wonder:
What percentage of Americans knew where Haiti was prior to this?
How many African nations are in dire need?
How has our foreign aid to the Middle East that is portioned for humanitarian efforts gone?
Aren’t we indirectly responsible for a lot of spilled blood in Iraq and Afghanistan right now?
Though these sound like justifications for why I wouldn’t give money, I gave money but was torn on whether or not I should. As I prepare my taxes, I gave 5% of my post tax income to charities in 2009. All of them were domestic-based groups and causes. Is there waste and overhead with those? Sure. But being my brother’s keeper doesn’t apply to other nations. Look at our twisted foreign police and friends who are now enemies. When you extent yourself too far individually or collectively, you’re opening yourself up to a multitude of problems.
In the end no one is wrong for not giving money and no one is in the right for giving money. I think of the Clemente biography I read by David Maraniss. To give your time is the best thing we can do for one another. If that manifests itself into flying and dying to help the cause, or $10 from the $30/hour you make so be it.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:05 PM
Not true.
/Phoenix’d
January 27th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
SG- Chi-town, woot woot! No disasters here!
fucking fires dude.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:06 PM
Yea, but the emphasis and concerns with major cities today are with technological disasters. Very little emphasis is put on natural disasters because we are so prepared for them now. Terrorism, not so much.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Al Gore doesn’t think that’s a problem.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:07 PM
Living like this (avoiding all faulty areas) would lead to massive overcrowding in many places.
Secondly, like so many people have said, natural disasters can happen anywhere. Disasters of really high magnitude are much more rare, hence why people settle in such areas – they have precautions against the hurricanes/volcanoes they know will happen. It’s hard to prepare for mother nature when its more powerful than what you expect it to be (hence Katrina, Haiti, Sri Lanka, etc)
January 27th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
He pays for the lawn guy with the money he saved by buying the Hyundai.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
as opposed to overcrowding in naturally dangerous places?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:08 PM
SG- Chi-town, woot woot! No disasters here!
fucking fires dude.
Don’t yall have that ‘lake effect’ snow that covers everything each year too? It may not be an earthquake level natural disaster, but I bet Chicago has had it’s share of blizzards over time.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
There’s a joke to be made here, probably by Menarky, but I’m not quite sure how it should be worded.
In all seriousness, isn’t it a pain in the ass to have a lawn in south FLA? I thought it would be like AZ where people just put decorative rocks in their front yard.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:09 PM
Thats not a natural disaster, just retards who live there.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:10 PM
No, that IS the point dude. Let’s look at some major cities in the United States. Every single one of them is prone to a natural disaster.
Not equally catastrophic… Chicago’s biggest “natural disaster” was a fire. While New Orleans is likely to flood with the next category 4 hurricane rolls through there at the right angle. I’m not saying there are safe places to live, but some are certainly safer than others. People should be aware of this.
Hati was worned two years prior to this event about the likelyhood of such an earthquake. Unfortunately, they don’t possess the resources to make preventative changes nor do they have anything the worth saving in the eyes of the cruel western world.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:10 PM
There is no case of overcrowding right now I hear.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:10 PM
i’m just going to pile on here duffy and say that i bet you are hung like greg oden. great piece (wink) of writing.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
SC – hate to break it to you but Chicago is on a fault line. There is a chance we could have a massive earthquake and fall right into Lake Michigan.
Some places may seem safer than others because the number of natural disasters is less than other areas, but they can still happen without any warning.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
That’s all well and good since you’re talking about domestic issues within your own countries, but when poor, poor people are concerned, its a different ball game.
I dont think people truly understand the definition of being “poor” in terms of the context in which people in third world countries live.
In Nepal, which is where I’m from, there are times when there is no running water for days at a time, and no electricity for days at a time. You’ll be lucky to find a TV in every home, and there is shit, animals, and people everywhere on the streets. If an earthquake or any natural disaster occurs, how the hell are they supposed to pick themselves off the ground when they weren’;t even on stable ground to begin with??
January 27th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
/did the waltons take too long to say goodnight?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
Don’t be surprised when the New Madrid fault system slips in the MidWest either. Shit can happen anywhere at anytime.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:11 PM
how do you under-the-bus a guy who wrote it, but not the editors who passed it through?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Mr Shirley is much too kind.
/Pat Robertson
January 27th, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Agree. $800MM, at least, given in our tax dollars to Haiti from 2004-2008. Before the earthquake, of course.
Not saying that this is Shirley’s point — but isn’t it fair to ask: what the hell are they doing with all this money?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Any post that references Swift, is an awesome post.
A child will make two dishes at an entertainment for friends; and when the family dines alone, the fore or hind quarter will make a reasonable dish, and seasoned with a little pepper or salt will be very good boiled on the fourth day, especially in winter.
– Jonathan Swift, A Modest Proposal
January 27th, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Why? Everyone loves to blame everyone. People blame rich people for being rich, claiming it’s a plutocracy or that the GOP and conservatism is the root of it all.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:12 PM
nice credentials, prof
January 27th, 2010 at 1:13 PM
New Madrid is gonna shake us good one day. we have a few small quakes each year.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
we’re really beating a dead horse with this one here.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Great post Duffey!!!
Two points
1) to anyone arguing Haiti should have been prepared for an eathquake, quakes of sevenish magnitude are rare, and MASSIVE. No way to really prepare for those. Ask LA in 1994.
2)Colts receiver in the spot light, Pierre Garcon, pays homage to Haiti’s historical perspective. His family name is equivalent to ‘Boy. No doubt a vestige of his progenitors arrival in Haiti.
Good luck to the Haitians, I hope this hell ends soon.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Good thing this documentation existed before people settled where they did. It didn’t? Oh. Lets just move hundreds of millions of people to locations that you find more suitable. That would be possible/end well.
No… spend more money on r&d related to saving lives as opposed to taking lives. The people don’t have to be relocated if there are technological changes made to the area that may prevent such events.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
In all seriousness, isn’t it a pain in the ass to have a lawn in south FLA? I thought it would be like AZ where people just put decorative rocks in their front yard.
Which is why Phoenix isn’t safe,right? The infrastructure that allows it to exist and steal water from surrounding areas and states must be maintained. We’ve essentially created an artificial city.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
fuck all this fussin and fightin! march 1st tna vs raw again. w00t! monday night wars w00t!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:15 PM
You know what, people? Live in your fucking bubble and never help anyone ever. Don’t do anything unless there’s something in it for you, and make sure you only blame yourself when bad shit happens to you.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:16 PM
No… spend more money on r&d related to saving lives as opposed to taking lives. The people don’t have to be relocated if there are technological changes made to the area that may prevent such events.
preventative medicine is cheaper in the long run.
/health care’d
January 27th, 2010 at 1:17 PM
gal gets it.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:17 PM
He pays for the lawn guy with the money he saved by buying the Hyundai.
you’re right! Allocation of resources, baby.
SC: 99% of the people in South Florida pay to have their lawns cut and have a monthly “pest control” service and at least 50% of those with pools also have a “pool service”.
/I’m old and in suburbia, remember?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:17 PM
sportsgal, why be judgmental? just follow your own advice. why isn’t that enough? what does it matter to you if others don;t feel the same?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:18 PM
“The world is indifferent.” — Don Draper
/for Gooch
January 27th, 2010 at 1:18 PM
I really wish I lived in your fairytale world where 3rd world nations have the resources for this. I really do.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Duffy is like Jessi Spano and Haiti is like Lisa Turtle.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Well put. I wonder how many people hating on Haiti gave money to the 9/11 fund.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Universe. Damnit.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Who says anybody here is against helping people? I’m all for helping people, but I’m 100% against being preached at by someone looking to make themselves feel better.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:21 PM
Well put. I wonder how many people hating on Haiti gave money to the 9/11 fund.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA.
Best comment ever. Close it down people.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
+1
January 27th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
ann coulter thinks those millionaire bitches didnt deserve a dime.
/or something to that effect
//her words not mine
January 27th, 2010 at 1:22 PM
“The world is indifferent.” — Don Draper
/for Gooch
Universe. Damnit.
Well, they both are, really. And if anyone pulled themselved up by their bootstraps its Don Draper.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:23 PM
Ty should have probably cited two thirds of the websites/text books he lifted most of this from. But yes, well written (the first time).
Also, his comments might have been ignorant, but he shouldn’t have been fired for them.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:23 PM
For one of the few times in a non-sports thread, I agree with Mike NYC. That said, I feel uncomfortable talking about stuff other than famous men’s dongs so I will refrain.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
I am going to play a little devil’s advocate on bits and pieces of this, first with all the aid money that has come in from other natural disaster’s is any of it tracked to what infrastructure upgrades have been made. It would seem with all of the money that has been sent there in the last 10 years should have upgraded the infrastructure but that doesn’t seem to be the case. At some point when you keep dumping money into a place only to have to go back every few years and repeat the process you do have to question the effectivness of what you have been doing.
Secondly, why did the United States give 10 times the amount of any other country. I realize 100 mil is a drop in a bucket in the budget, but we shouldn’t be shelling out cash as a country when 40% of our federal budget right now is borrowed money. Did anyone hear take out a loan to help the haitans?
Personally the Thomas Jefferson f’d them doesn’t really mean anything to me. Most people living in this countries family history doesn’t even go back that far. So I don’t feel any personal responsibility for anything outside of my immediate family.
I will probably get murdered for this comment but we have enough needy people here in the US that should be getting taxpayer money. If private companies and individuals want to donate fine, I just think tax money should stay within this country.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:24 PM
Yes, heaven forbid I want others to be compassionate. Everyone here knows I hate stupid people as much as the next person, but I’m not going to fucking say “I told you so” when A NATURAL DISASTER THEY COULD NEVER PREVENT comes and destroys people’s homes and kills thousands.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:25 PM
I really wish I lived in your fairytale world where 3rd world nations have the resources for this. I really do.
How do you draw the conclusion that I was referring to 3rd world countries? I’m talking about the good ol’ USA.
Example: instead of spending trillions of $ on securing areas with natural fuel, let’s cut that budget in half and spend the rest on a new efficient energy source. Seems logical…
January 27th, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Shocking, cursed stopping in to take a shit.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Well put. I wonder how many people hating on Haiti gave money to the 9/11 fund.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA.
Best comment ever. Close it down people.
aw, fuck, I read that wrong. Now I just don’t understand what it means. This day sucks.
(runs away)
January 27th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Secondly, why did the United States give 10 times the amount of any other country. I realize 100 mil is a drop in a bucket in the budget, but we shouldn’t be shelling out cash as a country when 40% of our federal budget right now is borrowed money. Did anyone hear take out a loan to help the haitans?
Well, partly because we’re where there broke asses are most likely to go if they can get out.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
preventative medicine is cheaper in the long run.
/health care’d
This.
/not exactly related.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Who says anybody here is against helping people? I’m all for helping people, but I’m 100% against being preached at by someone looking to make themselves feel better.
Bingo. And that’s how the rest of the world views our efforts in Hati.
/not that I agree with them
January 27th, 2010 at 1:27 PM
I’m fair and balanced. This is the 200th time I’ve read about Haiti’s immediate rise to independence in the past week. Seems like the first for many for many of you.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:28 PM
I don’t give a shit whether or not you gave money to Haiti, 9/11, New Orleans, or any other disaster in the past 10 years. And I’m sure as fuck not “preaching” to make myself feel better. I’m incredibly irritated that someone would actually agree with Paul Shirley’s points about people deserving the result of a natural disaster because they chose to live there.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:29 PM
And I’m 100% against people trying to rationalize why they don’t have a responsibility to help to make themselves feel better. When it comes down to it, either you’re going to help or you’re not, and none of this BS matters. I haven’t donated a dime to Haiti, and I feel bad about it, but my feelings aren’t helping Haiti right now.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:29 PM
I’m waiting for Jemelle(Idk if that’s how u spell her first name, could care less)Hill to make a controversial remark about Haiti.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:29 PM
Very good post Duffy.
I would have commented earlier, but I’m following live blog of Apple announcement! Ladies and Gentlemen the IPad is here!!!
/maybe an app for fault lines in your local area?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:30 PM
I’m just glad you’re the only person i have to read from that kills LeBron for blocking shots.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:30 PM
+1000
January 27th, 2010 at 1:30 PM
And yet people are fighting our own country’s needy getting any services that come from taxpayer money (unless it’s faith-based).
January 27th, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Sportsgal, ARGUMENTAL?!
/faints
January 27th, 2010 at 1:31 PM
I remember in High School one of the Lunch ladies would always put Freedom Fries, Freedom Toast, on the white board, always gave me a laugh for some reason.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:31 PM
Phoenix is safe for Phoenix. Good city planning. California not so much.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:32 PM
The guaranteed possession extender? He’s cut down on those thankfully. He must be a reader.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:32 PM
I love you.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
i assume that’s directed at me.
when did i say they DESERVED their fate? i didn’t. i merely said that they shouldn’t be surprised when something like this happens. and the quotes never say they DESERVED it for where they lived.
so then why are you preaching exactly? we’re not all popping champagne and toasting the deaths of all these hatians here.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
when A NATURAL DISASTER THEY COULD NEVER PREVENT comes and destroys people’s homes and kills thousands.
We need to make pre-emptive strikes against earthquake threats!
/Bush-Cheney’d
January 27th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
i only thought it was because france wouldnt vote/support the US’ decision to attack iraq at the UN
January 27th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
It’s easy to look down on people who suffer through no fault of thier own when you’re in a higher position. This is why people are helping out Haiti.
As far as previously donated money, etc, be aware that 3rd world countries usually have a lot of corruption within them. I dont know for a fact where the money goes (obviously) but I wouldn’t doubt that government leaders keep a lot of it to themselves.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:33 PM
agreed especially to blindly think that without knowing any of the history.
/but the dominican republic is doing just fine!!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
I ONLY ARGUE WHEN PEOPLE SAY STUPID THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. I’m not the only person who argues on here, dammit!!!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
Shirley deserves some danza slaps with Oden’s dick
January 27th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
troof
January 27th, 2010 at 1:34 PM
HA!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:35 PM
As far as previously donated money, etc, be aware that 3rd world countries usually have a lot of corruption within them. I dont know for a fact where the money goes (obviously) but I wouldn’t doubt that government leaders keep a lot of it to themselves.
Stating the blindingly obvious since 2009.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:36 PM
Salt Lake City is on a massive fault line. Geologists agree it is a matter of time before a big earth quake hits, and it would be devastating to the area. Even with that, the legislature won’t appropriate $500,000 to make sure all of the schools are safe. Therefore, I doubt Haiti was able to make similar preparations.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:36 PM
i think menarky started his racist comment in the last post the same way
January 27th, 2010 at 1:36 PM
YEsterday we joked around saying the dominican republic is just sitting there setting up curtains along the border
January 27th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
what does the ipad do besides be bigger than an itouch?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
People are resilient. Would a cleanup process be faster with a lot of aid. Probably. But look at New Orleans. How did FEMA do? Wasn’t it Wal-Mart and McDonald’s that got food and water to the area the best?
This is probably going to sound Shirley-esque, but logically isn’t it easier to rebuild in Nepal since, like you mentioned about, there’s not much infrastructure to begin with?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
Homer won’t let it go with Oden’s dick. Everytime i see Homer, i see large penises.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
My step-father is french as is my grandmother and many other family members. I was at publix once and I was buying a loaf of french bread when the women called it freedom bread. She then said she also like calling them freedom fries. I laughed at her face and explained to her stupid little mind that fries were invented in belgium and they are “french” because it’s a style of the cut. Dumbasses.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:37 PM
YEsterday we joked around saying the dominican republic is just sitting there setting up curtains along the border
A giant mural of the ocean. “Guess we can’t go any farther” Haitian refugees will say sadly.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:38 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Seismic_faults_of_the_United_States
January 27th, 2010 at 1:38 PM
There it is! Taguchi hates karma!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Stating the blindingly obvious since 2009.
There it is! Taguchi hates karma!
You make the same comment I make the same comment.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:39 PM
No…because it’s in fucking Nepal. Shit is hard to get to the towns there.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Stating the blindingly obvious since 2009.
taguchi: but then read cockbag Taibbi’s “translation” to the same comment:
TRANSLATION: Don’t bother giving any money, it doesn’t do any good. And feeling guilty about not giving money doesn’t do anyone any good either. In fact, you’re probably helping by not doing anything.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:39 PM
It means that I’d bet good money that a lot of douchebags bragging about how they’re not giving a dime to Haiti because this is all their fault probably gave money to the 9/11 fund themselves. Which is a bit ironic considering that if there’s anyone in the world who shouldn’t need aid, it’s people who live/work in the most expensive city in the richest country in the world.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:40 PM
Salt Lake City is on a massive fault line. Geologists agree it is a matter of time before a big earth quake hits, and it would be devastating to the area. Even with that, the legislature won’t appropriate $500,000 to make sure all of the schools are safe. Therefore, I doubt Haiti was able to make similar preparations.
That’s my point. There’s no sense of urgency prevent these things when people in-the-know are warning about their likelyhood. So why the FUCK is everyone surprised when they happen and thousands of people are killed?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:40 PM
hahaha perfect. “I guess they moved.”
January 27th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
@Stabbin I fuggin missed all day yesterday, bare with me.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
Stating the blindingly obvious since 2009.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
YEsterday we joked around saying the dominican republic is just sitting there setting up curtains along the border
That’s because those two cultures HATE each other. Very unfortunate.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:42 PM
The Haitians will get to the US and we’ll just deport them again, like we always do. Cubans? come on in!!
/ridiculous
January 27th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
“Dry Valley in Antartica is on a massive fault line!”
January 27th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
I dunno, that Ipad looks incredibly cumbersome. What would be the point in owning that thing.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
I wonder if the inverse is true. People giving to Haiti that didn’t give to 9/11. That would seem to tell me that it’s not about helping people at all, it’s all about guilt assuagement.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:43 PM
related to our own country’s poor having enough problems….it occurred tio me the other day that when my unemployment runs out in six months, my kids might need a telethon, too. how would that go over? i was laid off through no fault of my own. will you give, sportsgal?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:44 PM
I thought it was Patriotic to do good will for thy own country. It did happen here though, i think we should feel a little more responsible for what’s going on here first.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:44 PM
Like someone else pointed out, people can predict earthquakes but they can’t predict the magnitude.
If I’m preaching anything, it’s about Paul Shirley saying people living in areas prone to natural disasters don’t deserve help from anyone because they chose to live there and people agreeing with that statement.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:45 PM
Political refugees always have the right of way, just so we can stick it to our enemies.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:45 PM
The iPad? Is that from Tampax?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:45 PM
I do love how everyone gets on their morally superior high horse about helping Haiti after an earthquake, but while a US-backed Aristide was busy using paramilitaries to kill political dissenters and bankrupt the country, we were all happy to let them rot.
As if nobody in the world needs help, except after a natural disaster.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:46 PM
I’m talking in broader terms. Rebuilding a country is, of course, a long task. This goes for war torn countries, fallen empires, and natural disasters.
The USSR was spread out and geographically similar, obviously, and re-building those war torn areas/regions was tough but easier than if California was to fall off the map or rebuilding three blocks in lower Manhattan.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Fasle. CANNOT PREDICT EARTHQUAKES EVER. sorry, it’s just truth.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Political refugees always have the right of way, just so we can stick it to our enemies.
Mexico should bomb us.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
false*
January 27th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
times were a lot simpler yesterday during “Dongapalooza 2010″
January 27th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
What on earth is the point of this iPad? No 3G? Awful.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:47 PM
I havent given anything to Haiti. Not because I dont care, but I’m broke. I feel sorry for them, but I can’t donate, and to tell you the truth, I dont really want to donate. It doesn’t mean I dont care just because I dont donate. Anyone that tells me otherwise is a self serving asshat.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
negative. the opposite is true. no one can predict an earthquake. the magnitude can be estimated based on many factors including historical earthquakes and the return period.
/wrote a 2 inch thick thesis based in part on this
January 27th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
The answer to this question, per the comments above, is that they should have never lived in Nepal in the first place.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:48 PM
That’s funny. I thought being patriotic was spending 2 bucks on a ribbon bumper sticker and calling Obama a terrorist.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:49 PM
you can’t predict earthquakes. You get about a 5 or 10 minute window to tell people to move the fuck to safety.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:49 PM
The Haitians will get to the US and we’ll just deport them again, like we always do. Cubans? come on in!!
/ridiculous
Well some of them we let in. My girlfriend’s mother came over from Cuba with the first wave fleeing Castro in 1960. The only other wave from Cuba I’m aware of is 1980. My girlfriend says that Cubans who came over in 1960 look down upon those that came in 1980. I find that interesting.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
Best comment in the thread so far.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I was trying to say people can predict that an earthquake is going to happen at some point, not that they can predict the precise moment in time when it will happen.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
NO! but you can go out and by booze and pre-game with the homeboys before going and dropping a c-note and blacking out at the local bar cant ya?!? You selfish son of a bitch!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
Huh?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
I wonder what Simmons’ response would be. He used to love Shirley.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
i laughed at the end of the day after tomorrow. those fuckers werent allowing americans into their country.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:50 PM
here we go…
January 27th, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Buncha xenophobes in here.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:51 PM
I read somewhere that Haiti gave $11,000 to New Orleans for Katrina…which FEMA promptly blew most likely.
Still a thoughtful gesture, but good intentions are just that…results are what matters.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:51 PM
negative. the opposite is true. no one can predict an earthquake. the magnitude can be estimated based on many factors including historical earthquakes and the return period.
Beat me to it. You’re now winning 2-0, ass.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:51 PM
gotcha SG.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
in conclusion: fuck the haitians. i need beer money!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Come on, Mike. You know they will have a 3G one…just after 6 months or so. Apple knows what it is doing.
/makin’ that chedda’
January 27th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Damn straight. Hey, I pay my bills and make sure I have food in the house and pa my taxes. What I do after that is up to me.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Do you understand Spanish? I speak it well.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Political refugees always have the right of way, just so we can stick it to our enemies.
Shatner: not Haitians. They are deported. Seriously. They all try to come here, and they get sent back
January 27th, 2010 at 1:52 PM
I’m almost certain Menarky will not comment anymore. I hope he can take a joke.
just got back from lunch with michael richards and missed this entire party. damn, there are some oversensitive people on this site. yes, i can take a joke. but it is clear from some posts on this topic that any opinion shared may inadvertantly get the racist bomb dropped on it. grow up, people.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:53 PM
You picked the wrong person, dude. I’ve been laid off (through no fault of my own) for 12 months and have no more unemployment. Unlike you, I get no tax breaks or additional help from the government because I am not married nor do I have any kids.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:53 PM
I’m sure if the day after tomorrow situation took place and Mexico wouldn’t let us in, we’d go in with force and tell them to go fuck themselves.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
+1
January 27th, 2010 at 1:54 PM
gsg- yeah
January 27th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Great piece Duffy.
those are pretty good points…delievered like a moron, but good points nonetheless.
No, they’re not. The reason there’s a New Orleans is because a port was needed at the mouth of the Mississippi to deliver goods throughout the nation before there were things as trains, highways or airplanes. Even today, the Port of New Orleans is where many of the goods we use come into.
i merely said that they shouldn’t be surprised when something like this happens.
Like what? A massive earthquake?
So should we evacuate all of California then? They’re on a major fault line and every year they get forest fires.
We should also empty out the northeast and northwest as they get storms and blizzards that are as deadly as any hurricane.
And we should force people to move out of the Great Plains because they’ve yet to develop that tornado-prediction technology.
All of the Gulf goes. Guess Mexico can keep all of our oil out there.
And move people out of Hawaii. The whole thing is a massive volcano.
So what’s left?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
They’re not political refugees though. Cubans are allowed to stay as long as they take the floating door here.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Thats kind how I felt too. All those rich celebrites running that Telethon last week, I was just thinking to myself, the ones answering the phones are probably the ones who should be donating, not the other way around. Great, Madonna sang a song. How about she just gives 100K instead? I’m not saying these celebrities didnt give money as well, but their contribution is probably going to matter a whole lot more than the $10 I can spare.
/doesnt think its the Haiti peoples fault for where they live
January 27th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Michael Brown probably blew it on castrating his Arabian horses.
/You’re doin a heck of job Browny
January 27th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
now, whose fault is it that, spinstergal?
January 27th, 2010 at 1:55 PM
but you can go out and by booze and pre-game with the homeboys before going and dropping a c-note and blacking out at the local bar cant ya?!?
that’s part of GSG’s budget. like heat for us Chicagoans
January 27th, 2010 at 1:56 PM
in conclusion: fuck the haitians. i need beer money!
Hey, no one’s asking you make do without the bare essentials. And beer is essential.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:56 PM
I haven’t sensed that at all. These comments are the reason why TBL is the best among the sports-based blogs. Pretty reasonable people who don’t need to make wise and wit on everything.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Correction, it’s calling Obama a soci@list
January 27th, 2010 at 1:57 PM
look at one of those global maps that show where all the lights can be seen from space. that will answer that question
January 27th, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Criticize response to Katrina = Acceptable
Criticize response to Haiti = Racist and unacceptable
January 27th, 2010 at 1:57 PM
Thats kind how I felt too. All those rich celebrites running that Telethon last week, I was just thinking to myself, the ones answering the phones are probably the ones who should be donating, not the other way around. Great, Madonna sang a song. How about she just gives 100K instead? I’m not saying these celebrities didnt give money as well, but their contribution is probably going to matter a whole lot more than the $10 I can spare.
Most of them gave an assload, or relatively speaking, the equivalent of me giving forty bucks.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:57 PM
If I didn’t set aside 50 bucks every two weeks for alcohol I’d probably be in shape and overall a better person. IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:58 PM
They’re not political refugees though. Cubans are allowed to stay as long as they take the floating door here.
They have to actually hit the beach though, right? If the Coast Guard intercepts them, we send em right back I thought.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:58 PM
This.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:58 PM
The answer to this question, per the comments above, is that they should have never lived in Nepal in the first place.
And you hate when people say dumb shit?
If I love living on the side of a mountain, I’m going to live on the side of a mountain. I choose to live there knowing that at any given winter my entire house, and possibly life, could be taken from me in an avalanche. I’m aware of this, but I want to live on the side of a mountain because prefer to live there over anywhere else, even if that other place is safer.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Criticize response to Katrina = Acceptable
Criticize response to Haiti = Racist and unacceptable
Now say it in a way that makes sense.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
HOLY SHIT IT’S (fake?) PURDUEMATT!!!!!
January 27th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Of course, that’s not really applicable to Hati because they don’t have the choice/resources to live where they want.
January 27th, 2010 at 1:59 PM
Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, “When am I gonna make it back to Haiti?”
/bad idea jeans’d
January 27th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Of course it was acceptable. The FEMA director raised horses for a living and had no Emergency Management experience in his entire life!
January 27th, 2010 at 2:00 PM
BFFredo…again, there’s a difference between saying we should move everyone out of those areas and saying “don’t be surprised.”
but good job putting words in my mouth. fantastic.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
hah. well done sir
January 27th, 2010 at 2:01 PM
i’ll see my way out.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:02 PM
glad we can come to that agreement.
I think it’s because it’s our country so we believe it’s our duty to criticize our government. If this happened to China or Australia bashing a shanty town would be acceptable, but since race is such a hot button issue in this country turning on a primarily black nation is a faux pas.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
I see nothing wrong with this.
/Purdue’d
January 27th, 2010 at 2:03 PM
Yeah, because that wasn’t a joke AT ALL.
Spencer took Shirley’s comments about people not deserving help because they chose to live in an area prone to natural disaster. He then said “this is a good point,” and you agreed with him. I find the comment to be incredibly moronic.
You can choose whether or not you want to help people, but to use an excuse like “you live on a fault line” as a reason to not give is one of the most retarded things I’ve ever heard in my entire life.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
whats the death count now……200,000?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
They have to actually hit the beach though, right? If the Coast Guard intercepts them, we send em right back I thought.
ms621: Yep, Wet foot/dry foot from Clinton
the news will show them appear on shore, and it’s a wonderful event. Sometimes the Coast Guard spots them and you see them literally playing water polo trying to keep the floating Chevy offshore.
When that happens, all hell breaks loose in Miami against the gov’t for enforcing the policy
Also, you are right about 1960’s vs 1980’s Cubans. Jimmy Carter fucked us good with that Mariel boatlift. With the people that had the right to come, we also got every prisoner/mental patient/ill person they could round up
January 27th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Criticize response to Katrina = Acceptable
Criticize response to Haiti = Racist and unacceptable
Let’s see here: New Orleans is part of and connected to by air, rail, and road the rest of the Continental United States. A nation which has the largest, most mechanized military in history, with the ability for its politicians to give briefings via satellite from around the globe and an agency specifically charged with responding to natural disasters.
Haiti is not part of the United States, is not connected by road or rail, has less infastructure and is on the other side of the sea, and with a very challenging terrain (which is why little infastructure),
Yeah that’s a valid comparison alright.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Going to be a lot of returns when people from North Dakota order an iPod and get an iPad.
/Salsa-Seltzer for the funny accented northerners.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
BFFredo…again, there’s a difference between saying we should move everyone out of those areas and saying “don’t be surprised.”
but good job putting words in my mouth. fantastic.
Wait, what?
So…people shouldn’t be surprised when an earthquake levels a city or a nation, then?
How exactly?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Texans – two days ago the toll was officially over 150,000
January 27th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Unlike you, I get no tax breaks or additional help from the government because I am not married nor do I have any kids.
our huge refund pays our property tax. i knew that in order to get paid i had to get married and have kids. shoulda stayed single in case one day someone on a sports blog could really zing me
…point is, i feel no guilt whatsoever about not giving to anything unless it has affected me directly because charity begins at home and moves outward—local, regional, national. i used to give to cancer because an ex-fiancee’s mom dies from it, i used to give to vets because i was so happy to have never been in a war and grateful for what the ones pre-vietnam did.
save your judgements. we love it here because we can do what we want short of hurting people
January 27th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Race is a hot button issue everywhere. The U.S. is MLK’s wet dream compared to some places in Europe. There are some nasty racist fucks over there.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:05 PM
Paul Shirley’s an engineering major if memory serves…how’s about he design low income housing that’s resistant to hurricane damage and will shake along with an earthquake, that should help reduce the “teach a man to fish” effect
Or is it just easier to write pithy opinion pieces?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:06 PM
Even today, the Port of New Orleans is where many of the goods we use come into.
Does that mean it still has to fuction as it did when it was formed hundereds of years ago? Spend some fucking money on r&d and build a few UPDATED safety measures for your city.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
what do you call that tripe played at the place on the north side with weeds growing on the brick wall?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Shirley wasn’t criticizing the response. He was saying, “Fuck ‘em. Their fault.”
January 27th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
that’s not what i quoted at all, and not why i quoted it.
i didn’t have any motive behind quoting that, i didn’t quote it to insinuate my reasoning for not helping…simply quoted it because it’s a reasonable question. and nowhere in the quotes i quoted did he say they don’t deserve fucking help.
god fucking damnit, sportsgal.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
I thought Europes problem was with a growing Muslim population, and England has issues with classes?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:08 PM
I made a donation to support the response effort in Haiti, because they (the Red Cross, Doctors Without Borders, etc.) are dealing with the immediate concerns.
If you asked me to donate to the rebuilding of Haiti, I’d say no. 1. The government is already going to make that donation for me. 2. I don’t trust that the money would be used effectively unless it was closely managed by an outside party.
So in a small way, I agree with Shirley’s point. But in a large way, I think he’s an idiot.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Why aren’t more people blaming France? I mean hell if they didn’t put people in Haiti then this would have never happened! FUCK FRANCE!? Hell France should be sending billions of dollars in relief but they got outdonated by University of Kentucky’s basketball team..way to jacque(my nmae for all french people…even female)…way. to. go.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
I wasn’t trying to zing you at all, buddy. You asked if I would give your kids money and I said you were asking the wrong person because I’m unemployed too. Calm down.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
no one else but me wonder where is the punishment for the gatekeepers who let shirley’s piece through?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
dont blame the vet, blame the administration. especially the vietnam era. a lot of those guys didnt have a choice.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
I hear ya. I am far from posing for holy pictures, but i made my little $10 donation via text. But i’ve told people this before, i wouldn’t donate to any other organization than the red cross. You’re exactly right broseph, they are dealing with the immediate concerns of the country.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Does that mean it still has to fuction as it did when it was formed hundereds of years ago? Spend some fucking money on r&d and build a few UPDATED safety measures for your city.
Fine. We kick the US Army Corps of Engineers out and do it ourselves. But then Uncle Sam won’t provide federal funds. So then we have to hike up our state taxes on all the oil that’s refined and comes through here.
You mind paying $5 a gallon gas? Cool. Now we got the money to develop top-of-the-line levees and protection.
(Ironically that’s probably cheaper than the cost of rebuilding is going to be…)
January 27th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Spain has a large white supremacist population. France wants to expell all of the Muslims and England has been at war with dentistry for centuries.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
Careful. They’ll take away your liberal card for saying stuff like that.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
alright sg, unemployment-club secret handshake, and all’s good?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
i retweeted a bunch of tweets that siad if i did haiti would get some money…now shut up
/philantropist extraordinaire
January 27th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
spencer, reread what you wrote in comment 42. You said Shirley made good points and his entire argument is “why are people living in areas where a natural disaster can happen, and why should we help them if they chose to live there in the first place?” Sorry I didn’t read it the way you intended.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
That’s a great point that gets lost in this. This isn’t about giving them everyday money, like foreign aid. This is about giving them money to help them with the immediate and urgent problem of dealing with a terrible disaster.
You want to have the argument about whether we should continue to give Haiti foreign aid if they spend it poorly? That’s a legit debate. But Shirley didn’t frame it that way.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:14 PM
the piece ran on a different website.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:14 PM
Duffy, +90999. Paul Shirley, -90999. (See what I did there?)
January 27th, 2010 at 2:14 PM
yea what the fuck was that about. text Q-U-A-K-E to make a donation? good call on the word there.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
haha, i saw one like that duder. the one i did was like 99099 or some bullshit like that.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Maybe, but it’s the truth. Spanish fans (some of them, not the majority) do Heil Hitler chants and throw bananas at black players on the field. I can’t imagine that shit happening today here at a professional sporting event.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
SG- Chi-town, woot woot! No disasters here!
Cutler
January 27th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Fine. We kick the US Army Corps of Engineers out and do it ourselves. But then Uncle Sam won’t provide federal funds. So then we have to hike up our state taxes on all the oil that’s refined and comes through here.
You mind paying $5 a gallon gas? Cool. Now we got the money to develop top-of-the-line levees and protection.
Better idea: open up the books on the CIA and black ops, see what their spending (I’m sure it’s a hefty amount), cut some of the useless post-WWII military bases around the world loose and redirect some of those funds towards a solution for your problem. Hell, we may even have some money left for healthcare!
January 27th, 2010 at 2:19 PM
texans, not BLAMING vets of vietnam, just don’t give to that charity (unless I need to get rid of stuff around the house). I have to have a good reason–to myself–to give money. I happen to think a righteous war is a good enough reason. WWII fits that bill for me. If they had a Homeland Security or CIA vets charoty, I’d give to that.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:20 PM
2.7 billion with a b given to Haiti by U.S. since 1990.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/v-fullstory/story/1429892.html
Assuming we’re for giving more money, what do we do once things are back to “normal”
/seems kind of pointless
January 27th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Maybe, but it’s the truth. Spanish fans (some of them, not the majority) do Heil Hitler chants and throw bananas at black players on the field. I can’t imagine that shit happening today here at a professional sporting event.
This is pretty prevalent amongst Italian fans too. Some white players encourage by it returning the fascist salute. Though Italy and Spain have really clamped down on a lot of it, it’s still pretty bad.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
yeah they dont do anything useful….just go ahead and open the books…let every secret out…cant hurt right? the other part of your comment made some sense…some sense
January 27th, 2010 at 2:23 PM
Brought to you by the crazy man who’s dreaming.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:26 PM
fantastic post, duffy – concur with others who say it’s the best you’ve written. i’ve skimmed through most of the comments, so apologies if what i say has been stated earlier -
everyone has their own perspective/reaction to the situation in haiti, but i think most of us are rather ill-informed about the history. it didn’t just end in 1804 with haiti’s slave rebellion. the ‘reparations’ france demanded (seriously, they demanded reparations from their former slaves, and received them!) crippled haiti’s economy, forced them to take out a ton of high-interest loans from french and us banks, and weren’t full paid until 1947. the us marine corps literally ran the country from like 1916 to 1934. after that, we sponsored two brutal dictators (duvaliers) who bilked the country’s treasury (with the help of more loans from american banks that were all too happy to extend the credit). our government had no problem with papa doc or baby doc because they were “anti-communist”, which we considered strategically important given the proximity to cuba.
the result was a debt-filled country in complete poverty. and when they finally tasted real democracy with aristide, who had a lot of popular support among the poor, we were quick to usher him out of power, and he was only restored by clinton after agreeing to some specific economic conditions (too long to explain, but google ‘neo-liberal’ for a better idea). the bottom line has been that much of the nominal ‘aid’ to that country has only enriched the power elites and NGO’s (many of which are headed by american elites). in other words, this aid, which is far less than our annual aid to israel and egypt, has done little to help the country.
i’m sorry for getting long-winded here, but i feel pretty strongly about this, having worked with doctors without borders, and with a cousin who has spent years working in haiti with medical relief groups. whether we want to face it or not, american foreign policy has been complicit and deserves much blame for the situation in haiti.
if you want background, i’d suggest you read dr. paul farmer’s work. here are a few recent newspaper articles that touch on this also.
now i’ll duck and go back to lurking.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:26 PM
yea i did red cross via pokerstars. theyve already sent $1 million
January 27th, 2010 at 2:27 PM
you’re saying that because that idea is stoopid and not because you tihnk the CIA is useless right.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:28 PM
sorry for the f’d up link – here you go
January 27th, 2010 at 2:29 PM
yeah they dont do anything useful….just go ahead and open the books…let every secret out…cant hurt right?
It’s a constitutional right that the governments spending is supposed to be publicized for the public occasionally. The Post-WWII administrations decided that wasn’t applicable anymore… funny how steep the slope is, huh?
And I’m not referring to the books as in “secret” info, simply budget.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:30 PM
/ fixed, for liberal guilt
January 27th, 2010 at 2:31 PM
so just throw a bunch of numbers out there and be like “this too much!” without knowing why the spent it? what’s the point?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:31 PM
publicized for the public
idiot
January 27th, 2010 at 2:32 PM
Because the CIA will NEVER open their books. I’ve gone on record as saying that I have no issues with CIA black ops. Certain people are simply too dangerous to have power. Of course the problem is who decides who is too powerful.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:33 PM
We could’ve saved a ton of words, and a ton of comments if we just said this at the beginning. It’s America’s fault. Always has been, always will be.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:34 PM
so just throw a bunch of numbers out there and be like “this too much!” without knowing why the spent it? what’s the point?
I would almost guarantee that people would take one look at the budget and fucking faint, regarless of what the specifics were.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
because people are stupid.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Certain people are simply too dangerous to have power.
This is just as applicable here as it is abroad.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Thanks, TBL…normally I don’t drop the credentials (because they’re irrelevant to most discussions), but I figured I ought to get them out there if I was going to pontificate. I wish I got student papers like Duffy’s post–it’s probably the best take on this whole debate that I have yet seen.
/seriously
January 27th, 2010 at 2:36 PM
Nicely done, duffy.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:37 PM
you know rumsfeld was on record saying the pentagon couldnt find 2.3 trillion dollars on september 10, 2001. video here
January 27th, 2010 at 2:37 PM
True, but even as much of a fuckup as Bush was, he wasn’t going to mass execute people. But you’re right about it applying here as well.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:38 PM
We could’ve saved a ton of words, and a ton of comments if we just said this at the beginning. It’s America’s fault. Always has been, always will be.
True, but where’s the fun in that?
because people are stupid.
No shit. But I think it’d be more than you could imagine? And for what? We aren’t even at war… ahh, nevermind. This is getting way off topic.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
He is a total fuckup, so that’s not entirely shocking.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Yes, people are stupid. But at least it gives people a sense of scope. So if that number goes way up in a short period, people can ask what the hell just happened. The less accountability there is for the money, the easier is it for it to get spent improperly.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
We could’ve saved a ton of words, and a ton of comments if we just said this at the beginning. It’s America’s fault. Always has been, always will be.
Ah yes, the other side of Kipling’s ‘White Man’s Burden’.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:42 PM
Very true. Great point.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:43 PM
you open a can of worms when you start asking the cia to open their books. it gives insight into what they are planning or have done. it doesnt make sense. its opsec people!
January 27th, 2010 at 2:43 PM
“Our nation is the greatest force of good in history.”
-GW Bush
Someone who truely believes that will never stop fighting or trying to control the world. It’s fucking sad.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
What does menarky think of all this?
Black people deal with earthquakes like this..
how was your date with jamelle hill last night?
January 27th, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Funny thing is, I agree with that W statement, but what pisses me off about him and many of his fans is that he fails to realize that we can fuck up as well. This thought that ‘Merica should never apologize drives me nuts.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:52 PM
If we don’t ask tough questions, then we’re basically guilty of what Shirley seems to be accusing the Haitians of. We sit quietly while people who are seemingly more educated than us make decisions that may or may not be in our best interests.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:54 PM
Every country has a tortured history. Even the Brits had horrific weapons of mass destruction. Most of Europe was invaded, bombed, or burnt down at one point. Almost every island faced imperialist regimes. Look at Africa! North Africans got a raw deal. What about the slaves from the coasts? Southern Asian nations had colonialism and was the first to experience massive aerial assaults. We’ve staged coups in South America and given billions to every Middle Eastern nation. The US has a weird history in its own right.
I’ll never give out of historical guilt to another nation, otherwise I would be flat broke.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Does anyone here know why we gave 10 times the amount of any other country? I believe no other country gave more then 10 mil. I just don’t understand giving out money we don’t have.
January 27th, 2010 at 2:59 PM
Does anyone here know why we gave 10 times the amount of any other country? I believe no other country gave more then 10 mil. I just don’t understand giving out money we don’t have.
Because we’re the U.S. of fucking A.
/puts dip in mouth.
//spits.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Does anyone here know why we gave 10 times the amount of any other country? I believe no other country gave more then 10 mil. I just don’t understand giving out money we don’t have.
Because if you’re going to play the part of the biggest and baddest, that’s the kind of shit you’re forced to do.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:05 PM
goddamn right!
/spits
//and also the price of being able to look down our noses at the rest of the world is a steep one but now we can.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
This just made me laugh out loud in my office. Well done, my good man.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:07 PM
ahhhhhh, seeing as he was in office for all of 8 months…
/not counting the gerald ford years
January 27th, 2010 at 3:08 PM
for the people who dont know what opsec means it is operational security and texans gets a +1 because he is right…
January 27th, 2010 at 3:09 PM
I guess I should have rephrased the question, how was that number decided on?
I have no idea what the check and balances is for giving relief funds but when you factor interest in since we are basically giving them chinese money, I am sure that figure is a lot higher.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:35 PM
so this was an interesting thread.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:50 PM
There was one?
January 27th, 2010 at 3:52 PM
Every country has a tortured history. Even the Brits had horrific weapons of mass destruction. Most of Europe was invaded, bombed, or burnt down at one point. Almost every island faced imperialist regimes. Look at Africa! North Africans got a raw deal. What about the slaves from the coasts? Southern Asian nations had colonialism and was the first to experience massive aerial assaults. We’ve staged coups in South America and given billions to every Middle Eastern nation. The US has a weird history in its own right.
>> my point wasn’t to guilt anyone into doing anything. nobody should feel compelled to give anything. it was simply to raise awareness about haiti’s past. and you’re absolutely right that every country has its own tortured history – i just think history would suggest that haiti is rare in that for more than 200 years they’ve suffered directly as the result of imperialist economic policies, right into the present day. their farming class has been annihilated as a direct consequence of us trade policies (flooding their market with cheap american grains/rice so that haitian farmers could not viable compete), which has resulted directly in the abandonment of rural areas and overcrowding of cities.
i’m not advocating a lazy “america sucks, blame america for everything” approach to every international problem. unfortunately, in the case of haiti, the evidence is pretty damning.
January 27th, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Well…we do kiss China’s ass because we need their money. China only cares about China.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/232131
January 27th, 2010 at 4:07 PM
and in pointing out the responsibility of our foreign policy for much of haiti’s collective misery over the years, i’m not saying americans should feel compelled to privately give anything. just saying that blanket statements about another country’s ‘responsibilities’ should be tempered by a thorough understanding of the political and socioeconomic contexts.
January 27th, 2010 at 7:23 PM
illadelph, I am certain Americans would rather stay ignorant and continue chanting “America Fuck Yea.”
January 28th, 2010 at 5:28 PM
hmmm i am very much intrigued to know what exactly you mean by this: “Mr. Shirley, look at the skin color of 95 percent of the Haitian population. They weren’t given “logic-colored glasses.”
Are you saying that black people don’t have logic. that one line sounds more subversive and racist than anything Paul said. In addition, regardless of skin color you are insulting the people of Haiti as a whole. You’re “guilt” and religious beliefs are misplaced, as are most peoples’. In fact, your very reason for wanting to help (i.e., guilt) is probably the worst reason to help anyone. Despicable.
January 29th, 2010 at 9:52 PM
Actually, Jesus never gave a “teach them to fish” parable. He simply said to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those sick and in prison. Not saying we shouldn’t teach people to fish, just pointing out that Jesus didn’t say it. And to point out that, according the Jesus, our first responsibility is take care of the immediate needs of the suffering (and generally not act like a dick toward those less fortunate).
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:03 PM
YO LISTEN DO YOU HAVE HEART, IM HAITIAN AND PROUD TO BE IT SON, LISTEN WE ALWAYS SAY PRIDE IS STRONGER THAN ANYTHING WE ARE POOR, CERTAIN, BUT WE HAVE PRIDE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY WON’T BREAK US AND MAKE US, HAITI DID NOT ASK YOU FOR HELP SON, IT’S IF YOU WANT, IT’S HOW U FEEL BY HELPING GOD SAID LOVE AND SHARE, IT DOESN’T MEAN MONEY, BUT FEELINGS, COMPASSION, CHECK IN YOUR HISTORY WHO IS THE FATHER OF CHICAGO, WHY DOES AMERICANS NEED HYDROCARBON IN HAITI, DID HAITI HELP THE US FOR INDEPENDENCE WHAT COUNTRIES HAITI HELP TO GAIN THEIR INDEPENDENCE, CHECK THOSE QUESTIONS SON, WE ARE A PEOPLE OF HEART, LOVELY PEOPLE, SINCE OUR INDEPENDENCE WE STARTED SUFFERING BECAUSE WE ARE THE FIRST BLACK REPUBLIC, WE FOUGHT WITH NO HELP, BUT WITH OUR RELIGIOUS WICH IS GUINEA, PAUL YOU SHOULD DO SOME RESEARCH B4 YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING, WE ARE A PEOPLE OF MISERY BUT WE GOT PRIDE, TO BE WHO, AND WHAT WE ARE, AND TELL YOUR PEOPLE TO STOP CRITISIZE HAITI, BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE RICH IS BECAUSE THEY EXPLOITED HAITI, DR, AND OTHER COUNTRIES, ONLY GOD CAN JUGDE US SO WHO ARE YOU. ALRIGHT…
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 PM
WE HAITIANS THANKS THOSE WHO GIVES, GOD WILL HAND YOU WHAT YOU GAVE BACK, AND CONTINUE TO GIVE NOT ONLY HAITI, BUT OTHERS IN YOUR COMMUNITY, POOR, THOSE WHO NEEDS, AND THOSE WHO DON’T BELIEVE IN SHARING IT’S TIME FOR YOU MAKE A CHANGE…