Super Bowl Musings: The Onside Kick, Tracy Porter’s Haircut, and the Saints Cheerleaders
NFL, Video February 8th. 2010, 9:45am


Left to right: Pick-six hero Tracy Porter shaved the Dome onto the back of his head, Drew Brees kisses his wife, Saints cheerleaders are giddy, and Drew Brees hoists his kid into the confetti-strewn air.
Sean Payton coached a brilliant game. He said he came up with the idea for the onside kick at halftime. Wonder if this is something he’d been planning for two weeks. A reach? Perhaps. Hear us out:
1) Payton took the ball first. The Ravens and Jets, which have better defenses, gave Indy the ball first. If you come into the game thinking you might drop an onside kick to open the 2nd half, you obviously take the ball first.
2) Late in the first half, Payton went for it on 4th and goal. Initially, we thought it was a bad idea, but upon further review, it was the right call. Why kick and give Manning the ball back with plenty of time on the clock? In a similar spot in the AFC title game, trailing the Jets 17-6, Peyton Manning put on a clinic and Indy drew within 17-13 at the half. A worst case scenario yesterday: kick the field goal, Manning gets a TD, and you’re looking at a 17-6 halftime deficit plus the Colts get the ball first in the 2nd half. In that spot, would the Colts maybe have been guarding against an onside kick?
Either way, should this 4th down decision by Payton have set off an alarm? They do not want us to get the ball under any circumstances. We should maybe watch for a trick here.
The onside kick has to be one of the two most gutsy plays in Super Bowl history. Probably in the top five. CBS said that no team in the Super Bowl had ever attempted an onside kick prior to the 4th quarter.
We’ll get to the Peyton Manning discussion shortly, but consider this: Today, few people are getting on Manning’s case for that pick-six. Was it Wayne’s fault? Did Porter just make a great play? It is open to debate. That being said – how many QBs would be getting ripped mercilessly today for costing his team a shot at the tie and perhaps overtime? How many QBs would be labeled a choke artist for that pick? A couple names to ponder: Ben Roethlisberger, Brett Favre.
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February 8th, 2010 at 9:48 AM
Roethlisberger doesn’t make that throw because the throw happened within four seconds of Manning taking the snap.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Tracy Porter helped me lock up the final in the office pool. I’ve got twin Benjamin Franklins sitting in my pocket right now.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:52 AM
Drew Brees: Hot wife, cute kid, super bowl champ/MVP, god in a city, and a fat contract coming up. Guy is living it up right now. I’m happy for the guy, seems like a genuine class act.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:52 AM
You under a rock?
February 8th, 2010 at 9:53 AM
re: the onside kick- don’t forget, in terms of time of posession, even if the Colts got it, they’d only have the ball for a very short time before the Saints got it back, either from a FG, TD or force a punt/turn over.
Kicking it full out and giving manning 70+ yards to drive, that’s what 7+ minutes off the clock you’ll never get back.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:53 AM
Loved the Porter haircut, a lot of mental errors by the Colts that I don’t usually see them make. At least it was an entertaining game.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:54 AM
A combination, with the majority going to Porter’s credit. I’d say 66% Porter, 24% Wayne’s shoddy route, 10% off-target throw from Manning.
But let’s get to the Saints…
Congratulations to the Saints and their fans. I remember after the Dallas loss and some last season average play, commenter Jay was so distraught. He drew the ire of DirtHeavy and JPQ. JPQ basically said “Quit whining about your team. They’re good. Go jump off a bridge.” It was commenting gold.
The Saints have been playing football for 52 years and this is their first title. I cannot imagine how long some of these people have been fans and been assfucked by the losing. I’m a Lions fan, so in a weird way this gives me some sort of hope.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:55 AM
i got so many texts after that pick, calling manning out. and there are plenty of outlets talking about it. but we can just pretend they aren’t until you post it as a story.
/espn’d
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
Wow. Terrible grammar in that post.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
Fortune favors the bold. Indy showed they were gutless in the regular season. Caldwell made it clear they were not going to be agressive. The problem is the other team was very talented offensively and played agressive. Even after the game Caldwell was like oh shucks wer are moving on to 2010.
And like I said earlier, the pick was more Porter than anyone else, he recognized the route, and once he saw Collie in motion he deicded to jump it. Fortune favors the bold.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
So is Brees’ birth mark getting a ring too?
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
Porter ran right to the spot as soon as the receivers crossed. Him and the game tape he watched get credit for that. One con against Manning, and its not a bad one to have, is that the offense is so mechanical and so organized that there are opportunities to know exactly where he is throwing the ball. He just never makes a bad throw. Porter ran right to the spot of where the ball was going to be thrown as soon as Wayne and the other receiver crossed their routes. Manning had a pretty good game against a team that lives off taking the ball away. Payton took a couple gambles last night and one.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
A combination, with the majority going to Porter’s credit. I’d say 66% Porter, 24% Wayne’s shoddy route, 10% off-target throw from Manning.
yeah, I wasn’t sure if Manning just made a bad throw, or if Wayne didn’t try to get inside hard enough.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
awesome game, glad the saints won even though this may put some stink on peyton manning a bit, which i dont like. NO is going to be on hyper party mode for the rest of the year, cant wait to get down there.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:56 AM
won*, fuck.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:57 AM
That was funny. “This is the worst loss EVER. I don’t care if we’re 13-1. I don’t care if it’s still the regular season. Worst loss EVER.” Bleux me.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:57 AM
wasn’t most of the “Manning greatest ever w/ 1 more SB win” coming from the WWL anyway?
February 8th, 2010 at 9:58 AM
I’m guilty of that as well.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:58 AM
This makes me smile for some demented reason. Well said.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:59 AM
Oh but its not an ugly birthmark anymore, now it’s a super hot scar.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:59 AM
Agreed. However, look how many of these “fans” have come out of the woodworks this season. That’s the most annoying thing. I know it happens every year, just seems like more this time around.
February 8th, 2010 at 9:59 AM
I still think he is the greatest. that play or the result of the game doesn’t change my mind.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Like I said last night, the Saints played to win, the Colts played to not lose. After the first quarter, they were fucked. Enjoy it Patriot fans, I’m expecting plenty of bitter “see, Peyton Manning’s not so great!” comments today.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM
I thought he was the best ever before the game and still do. I said this here last night, but it would have been better for Manning to not even make it to another super bowl than to make it and lose.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Meh, I take back the use of “gutless”. I have a lot of respect for Indy, Pey-Pey most of all, but the way both of these teams approached going for the undefeated season I think says a lot about why last night’s game went the way it did.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM
after the on-side kick, i regalled my girlfriend with the story of Cowher doing the same in SBXXX and the NFL film getting him asking the ref what he thought of the call. after about 10 minutes she says “what’s an on-side kick”.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Still, pretty amazing that it took this long for “wait a second, I’m a first year head coach and I have no idea what the hell I’m doing” to rear its ugly head. The coverage in the 2nd half was really bad.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:00 AM
Ditto.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:01 AM
I never heard of WHO DAT until this season. I swear go Zeus.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:02 AM
to*
damnit
February 8th, 2010 at 10:02 AM
Agreed. However, look how many of these “fans” have come out of the woodworks this season. That’s the most annoying thing. I know it happens every year, just seems like more this time around.
Its even worse in Houston Triston, suddenly everyone has relatives from Louisiana or loves the Saints for some random reason. I’m so tired of ‘Geaux Saints’, Houston is such a soft sports city.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:02 AM
I’ve said it before I think Manning is the best player of this generation, I won’t say all-time until he is all finished. However, that pick is going to haunt him for a long time.
/breaks out tomahawk chop
/had to
/that’s racist
February 8th, 2010 at 10:02 AM
I blame the loss on Garcon’s drop, as I said last night. Peyton played a pretty good game, the Saints were just better coached.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:03 AM
so I’ve seen that Wayne play about 40 times now, and I’ve seen it repeatedly from the end zone angle. i think Wayne intends to come back out of that cut and get the ball thrown to his right shoulder.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:04 AM
did anyone hear rumblings of a Situation and peyton manning commercial? i didnt see it if it happened but it would have been awesome
February 8th, 2010 at 10:04 AM
The coverage in the 2nd half was really bad.
Yeah I was really surprised how open the Saints receivers were for most of the game
February 8th, 2010 at 10:04 AM
I’m sorry, we were looking for “18″. The One shall only be referred to as 18 henceforth. Bow down before him.
/yes bsanders I will enjoy this thank you very much
February 8th, 2010 at 10:05 AM
Re: The Birthmark. Anyone else think that it has shrunk? It used to take up half of his face.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:05 AM
I’m expecting plenty of bitter “see, Peyton Manning’s not so great!” comments today
he is great in the regular season
February 8th, 2010 at 10:05 AM
No fuckin shit. If i have to see one more facebook asshole from Ohio with a “Who Dat” or “Geaux Saints”…..It’s almost as bad as when Pittsburgh makes the playoffs.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:05 AM
i think he’s one of the greatest, too. his career’s not over yet, so we can’t really say where he ends up. I’ll save my thoughts for his thread.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:06 AM
that’s the source of this QB talent. when it fades away, he’ll retire.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:06 AM
Re: The Birthmark. Anyone else think that it has shrunk? It used to take up half of his face.
maybe his head got bigger. it happens.
/Bonds’d
February 8th, 2010 at 10:06 AM
He got it removed before the season. The mark you see now is just a scar.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:07 AM
And there it is. Congrats.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:07 AM
TBL could have a Peyton vs. Brady post every day and it would still generate 100 comments
February 8th, 2010 at 10:07 AM
It makes sense. Porter played the inside and was cutting the route. If that ball is on Wayne’s back shoulder, he catches it. BUT Manning is reading it that Wayne should be in the spot and thus in position to catch it in his gut. Wayne wasn’t. Porter was.
Also, did you hear what Manning said after the game?
“(Porter) made a great play. That’s all I can say about that.”
He pretty much repeated it 4-5 times. Manning has always been a stand-up guy. He takes blame for his mess ups. Listening to him talk about the play, it seems like he was pissed about the route while also giving props to Porter.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:08 AM
Can’t say that I’ve ever been on the “Manning is the GOAT” bandwagon, but to say that his legacy takes a hit after that game is someone of a misstatement, IMO. Rather, he had the opportunity to build his argument for consideration when he got the ball back facing the 24-17 deficit. When he was running out on the field my buddies and I all looked to each other and said “let’s see what Manning’s got” practically in unison.
Unfortunately, what is seemingly lost in all of the talk about Manning and the deserved praise of Sean Payton is the story of Drew Brees as an individual. We keep hearing about how he was a castoff who helped resurrect the Saints, but I think there is more to the story. The guy can flat out play quarterback and was able to outshine Peyton Manning on the biggest of stages. From the 2nd quarter on, Brees put on a clinic. He truly is an elite QB operating at the level of Manning and Brady and deserves to be recognized as such.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
“Who Dat” has been around for a long time. Of course with the Saints winning, its been heard ad nauseum. Even the Bengals ripped it off with their “Who Dey”
February 8th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Same here. Its been around since 83.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
It does look different this year. Like an indention. Scar, as you way.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:10 AM
I had this exact thought last night NDub. I actually tried to figure out how Tom Benson won a Super Bowl. If he can do it, why not William Clay Ford. And then I realized the difference: it’s William Clay Ford, for Chrissakes.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:10 AM
@Dirt: If Wayne was supposed to come back on the cut, is it possible his knee was bugging him more than we knew? Not making excuses for the guy, I’m just trying to figure out how he goes from world beater to pedestrian.
Geaux Saints!
February 8th, 2010 at 10:11 AM
I agree. When we talk best QB in the league from now on, everyone should mention those three names.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Agreed. However, look how many of these “fans” have come out of the woodworks this season. That’s the most annoying thing. I know it happens every year, just seems like more this time around.
I never heard of WHO DAT until this season. I swear go Zeus.
Old stuff in New Orleans. You never heard it because the Saints have been traditionally awful.
As for the bandwagoners…meh. I’m sure they had both Saints and Colts jerseys ready to go the moment the final whistle blew. And the Romo and Favre Pro Bowl jerseys too.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
How did Tom Benson become a hero so fast? Didn’t he only keep the team in NO after the state promised him subsidies?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
The backlash begins:
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
We had protection problems, that’s all i’m gonna say.
/Manning
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
this is, and always will be, and untruth. It’s older than that.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
The day William Clay Ford dies and/or gives up ownership of that franchise, is the day I’ll consider buying tickets or merchandise again. Until then, they won’t get a penny from me. And until then, I won’t have hope in a Lions championship. Fuck, even a playoff birth.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Other than after the Steeler game a few years back when he bitched out his OL in the media.
You think Jerrah is regretting not going with Payton instead of the Phillips/Garrett poo-poo platter?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
this is what’s great about the NFL, vs the MLB. i don’t think i’d ever hear that statement uttered by a Pirates fan.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
and=an*
February 8th, 2010 at 10:13 AM
“I don’t want to disrepsect my teammates but…” and he goes on to talk about the protection problems after the Pittsburgh loss. He is a competitor, more than people realize. He was pissed then and pissed last night which is why he left the field right away(I’m sure he met up with Brees after the game and I think he said as much). He can be upset with Reggie but Porter knew what was coming and Manning threw it.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Short and sweet and beat me to it PL.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:14 AM
I’m guessing Fatlock wrote that.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:14 AM
Has Brees earned Coop’s respect yet?
These are the questions that I need answers to.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
@Dirt: If Wayne was supposed to come back on the cut, is it possible his knee was bugging him more than we knew? Not making excuses for the guy, I’m just trying to figure out how he goes from world beater to pedestrian.
Obviously, I’m not a medical expert, I’m just watching the replay. I think it’s a misread, more than a half ass by Wayne (or maybe even a misread by Manning).
February 8th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
In a different, much shittier, world:
Sean Payton would be coaching the Raiders
Drew Brees would be playing for the Dolphins
February 8th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
this is what’s great about the NFL, vs the MLB. i don’t think i’d ever hear that statement uttered by a Pirates fan.
I’m excited about what the Pirates are going to put on the field in 2011, honestly.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:16 AM
I’m more pissed at Manning/Wayne for not converting on that final drive. I had +200 odds that the final team to score would not be the winner of the game.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
It was Freeman Sanders. Why people keep referring to Doyel and Freeman are beyond me? I guess that is why they still have their jobs, because it they blow shit into the wind, people smell it and take a look.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
Mike Freeman.
Hey, how about the two-point conversion? What a huge play.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
How did Tom Benson become a hero so fast? Didn’t he only keep the team in NO after the state promised him subsidies?
Actually the credit should go to Paul Tagliabue. Benson was already saying the team was going to move to San Antonio. Tags immediately came out and said that the team was going back to New Orleans.
Trust me. Folks around here haven’t forgotten.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
In a different, much better, world:
Sean Payton would be coaching the Raiders
Fixed, the Raiders need to be good again.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Tony Dungy needs to end his “They dont have a chance” predictions.
0 for 2
February 8th, 2010 at 10:18 AM
You think Jerrah is regretting not going with Payton instead of the Phillips/Garrett poo-poo platter?
Payton left when Parcells was still coaching. You can’t fire Parcells and replace him with a protege. So that arrangement doesn’t work.
I’ll bet Jerry wouldn’t mind having Payton (and Tony Sparano) back though.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:20 AM
In its Saints incarnation or originally? Explain further. Always wondered.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:20 AM
that’s coming. not written by me, though.
i even emailed the author to remind him of Manning’s 9-9 playoff mark.
i’ll wait until the post to comment
February 8th, 2010 at 10:20 AM
Purdue is QB U?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
I’m of the opinion he did it on purpose to jinx them, not wanting them to win it the first year he was gone.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Curtis Painter in the house.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
i even emailed the author to remind him of Manning’s 9-9 playoff mark.
i’ll wait until the post to comment
Yeah make sure to use team achievements to judge an individual player
February 8th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Rather than argue over the origins of Who Dat and Who Dey, how about we just agree they are two equally shitty chants?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Can’t really argue with this..
February 8th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Agree.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Why? What does Brady have to do with anything? How about a, “Shit, Drew Brees is pretty good” post?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
The Bengals ”Who Dey” predates ”Who Dat.”
February 8th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Rather than argue over the origins of Who Dat and Who Dey, how about we just agree they are two equally shitty chants?
WHO DAT?! WHO DAT?!
February 8th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Griese with some rings to rep the Boilers
February 8th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
I know “who dat” was used in high school games earlier than that. I’m sure it was used for the Saints back in the Archie days.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:26 AM
You know why, now tell me: Kobe or LeBron?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:26 AM
I would really enjoy this.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:26 AM
How about a, “Shit, Drew Brees is pretty good” post?
Is he more marketable than Mark Sanchez though?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Durant
February 8th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Who Dey is shitty, Who Dat is great.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
that picture up top with Brees and his son makes me think of this
February 8th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
I’m on your side.
I’m equally perplexed and annoyed by hearing “Who dat” all year. “Who dey” also sucks.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Why, Caldwell, why?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Purdue tied Alabama as the only school with 3 different QBs to win Super Bowls. Stanford and BYU have 2.
Just to be clear, Belichick lost the game gambling out of respect for Manning and it was a dumb decision. Payton won the game by gambling out of respect for Manning and he’s a genius. Just trying to make sure.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
I used to pay Kobe, until I paid LeBron. 24, 23.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
seconded.
nice career story, too.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
+1
What makes these guys “geniuses” is what also makes them “overly-aggressive morons.” Double-edged sword.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
For his career, Matt Stover is just 13 for 32 from 50-plus, and most of those attempts took place when Stover was in his kicking prime.
who thought he would make that kick? I’ll bet nobody anywhere in the world.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
+ 4 and 2
February 8th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
That makes zero sense. He wasnt forced to retire.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
You got it! Also, Belichick is a dick for not shaking Coughlin’s hand after the Superbowl, but Manning’s a classy guy for walking off the field because he didnt want to disrupt the celebration
February 8th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Get outta here with your rationality. This is the Internet, we only have room for vitriol and humbling professional athletes with our comments.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Sean Payton has taken a shitload of heat over the past four years for his aggressiveness and crazy playcalling. So he hasn’t been immune at all from criticism.
Isn’t he nicknamed the Riverboat Gambler?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Can’t imagine why Houston might have Saints fans.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
CUT THAT MEAT! CUT THAT MEAT! CUT THAT MEAT!
February 8th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Belichick shook Coughlin’s hand, and gave him half a man hug(which for Belichik is on par with a crotch grab). The refs just decided to not have the clock run out yet.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
That is also true cleet. Didnt stop the idiots from yelling about it though.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Belichick is a fucking asshole and even you know that.
Manning has proven to shake hands, give hugs, give props at most any time. He makes an ass out of himself in TV ads and late night TV shows.
It’s called reputation.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Nice of them to finally show their faces 5 years later.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:39 AM
I can’t be the only one scratching my head at all the slobbering over Sean Payton?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Can’t imagine why Houston might have Saints fans.
No shit dude, I’m not talking about the people actually from New Orleans. I’m talking about the Texans season ticket holder at the party last night who was wearing a Brees jersey.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Man, Jeremy Shockey looks rough.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
well, as tiger woods has proven, the carefully crafted and marketed public persona is always, always indicative of someones true personality.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
I can’t be the only one scratching my head at all the slobbering over Sean Payton?
I’m not with you Bulldog. I’ve been singing this guy’s praises for 6 seasons.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
I can’t be the only one scratching my head at all the slobbering over Sean Payton?
i still can’t get over Chase Daniel getting a SB ring.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Because he’s the Saints all-time leader in playoff wins and Superbowl victories?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Payton digs Chesney, so he’s a stand up guy in my book.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
The line of coke dealers and strippers outside his room last night must have been long indeed. He’s not my favorite Cane or even close but I’m glad he got some redemption for ‘07.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
He pulled a Jeff Fisher last night in his tactics. A lot of time, Fisher’s strategy against Manning doesn’t work. Last night, every thing Payton needed to break for him did and the Colts coaching staff tightened up at the worst possible time. Oh well, life’s a bitch and then you get the shingles.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
Oh, please, allow me.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
in comparison to the cardboard cutout of a coach on the other sideline he looked like the reincarnation of hank stram.
he was ballsy, and got his team to perform at a level every other team in the league could be envious of this morning.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
which Payton decision? 4th down on the goal line, or the onside kick?
February 8th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
both of them. the idea was the keep the ball out of Manning’s hands with both those plays.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Don’t forget Eli was watching him from a box this time.
The sum of the parts, but the onside kick was the biggest call. If the Colts don’t have “Mittens” Brickhands (one of my favorite Negro league players) fielding that kick Payton could easily be getting ripped, I can see an ESPN analyst now, “There’s a reason it’s never been before, heh, this is what it can do.”
February 8th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Just to be clear, Belichick lost the game gambling out of respect for Manning and it was a dumb decision. Payton won the game by gambling out of respect for Manning and he’s a genius. Just trying to make sure.
which Payton decision? 4th down on the goal line, or the onside kick?
mainly the onside kick. If The Colts recover and score, he’s crucified, but it worked, so it was epic
Someone even thought it might have been the best play call in SB history (#173)
February 8th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Puppy Bowl was harsh, they branded the dogs with HK in memory of the late Harry Kalas.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
@Jersey: no more. please. i’m already sick to my stomach. i guess i’d be saying the same thing about Curtis Painter had the COlts won.
February 8th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
/Gets nervous when addressed directly
February 8th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
KABOOM. +10,000. You are on fire today sir.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Herd just said the SB got a 46.4 rating. Not bad.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Herd also points out that in this day and age it takes 3 field goals to score more points than a touchdown. Can we get a tracker for these new rule changes, they’re very hard to keep up with.
I think this is a good time to point out that millions of dollars were wagered on a head coach that went 12-52 in the juggernaut football conference known as the ACC.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Saints started play in 1967 I believe.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
You’re right. It seems that’s 42 years, not 52. Bad math.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
I think this is a good time to point out that millions of dollars were wagered on a head coach that went 12-52 in the juggernaut football conference known as the ACC.
Wow I had no idea that was true, and Irsay gave him the keys to a porsche?
February 8th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
DUb, I’m still a bit foggy. You coulda said I was wrong and an idiot and probably would have accepted it!
February 8th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Herd also points out that in this day and age it takes 3 field goals to score more points than a touchdown. Can we get a tracker for these new rule changes, they’re very hard to keep up with.
@Mr Amphib: didn’t hear it, but if he meant it takes a long time and 3 possessions to get field goals vs one play could get 7, he’s right. If he didn’t say it that way, then I can’t help him out
I think this is a good time to point out that millions of dollars were wagered on a head coach that went 12-52 in the juggernaut football conference known as the ACC.
but his mentor St Tony said they were going to blow the Saints out? I’m confused
February 8th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
The onside kick was a great call and changed the game, but wasn’t nearly as personally risky for Payton as everyone is making it out. 30 yards of field position to Manning is nothing. Would anyone blink if Manning took a touchback kickoff to the fifty in two plays? So why is it such a leap to take a chance where that is the worst result?
February 8th, 2010 at 11:18 AM
good point maxwell they should have done an onside kick every time.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:19 AM
He just outscored Warner, Farve, and Manning (the good one) and played fantastic in the 2nd half of a Super Bowl, so I’d say yes. He was a bit shaky early on (just like last week), but came through when it mattered.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
good point maxwell they should have done an onside kick every time
I see the sarcasm, but the point is that every move has a risk and a reward. The risk is mitigated by what chance the opposing team has to end up in the same spot anyway. Onsiding everytime will reduce your chance of success and make it a worse play, so no, that is not what I am saying. But as risks go, onsiding to the Jets or Ravens is far bolder than onsiding to the Colts.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:32 AM
That onside kick was kicked by SMU alum Thomas Morstead.
/homer’d.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:33 AM
I was being tongue-in-cheek, but I have to admit I’m not a fan of his style, but I am of his thought process. If that makes any sense.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:35 AM
I still think Peyton Manning is *one* of the greatest QBs of all time… but have yet to see a convincing case for how he’s better than Montana.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:50 AM
@jaywashere, Just wait for everyone to start yelling about how Montana had Jerry Rice..which is correct for Montana’s last two SB wins. Freddy Solomon was Montana’s #1 WR for the first two so I’m sure people will start saying how underrated Solomon was.
February 8th, 2010 at 11:52 AM
I was being tongue-in-cheek, but I have to admit I’m not a fan of his style, but I am of his thought process. If that makes any sense.
it does make sense, and a lot of people on here agree with you. I’m one of the few who will admit to being a listener and a relative “fan” of his
February 8th, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Freddy Solomon was Montana’s #1 WR for the first two so I’m sure people will start saying how underrated Solomon was.
You’re just going to shit on Dwight Clark, right here in front of everybody?
February 8th, 2010 at 2:53 PM
Dirtheavy, I said WR not tight end.
/fine print
February 8th, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Dirt,
Before you stomp on me…I was wrong…Clark was a WR as you stated and I did crap on him. My Bad.