Besides Andy Reid, Three Other NFL Coaches Made Crazy Decisions in Week 1
NFL, Video September 13th. 2010, 10:00am
Let’s start with the highest profile one from last night, which took place at the end of the first half. With time running out, Dallas ran one more play – a Tony Romo swing pass to Tashard Choice, who fumbled. With no time remaining, Deangelo Hall picked it up and ran it back for a touchdown, Washington’s only one of the game. I’m usually all for teams being more aggressive than they generally are. But on your own side of the field, with time left for only one play and no chance of getting out of bounds in time to try a field goal – even if you get a big gain – the positives from actually running a play there were way lower than the negatives.
It’s easy to second guess based on the result, but if I’m the coach, my rule is to take a knee unless my quarterback can get it to the end zone in the air.
Chan Gailey, Buffalo
Far fewer people were likely paying attention to the end of the Buffalo-Miami game, but after saying that I thought the change from Jauron to Gailey would be a positive, how am I rewarded? Gailey engaged in some really bizarre decision making at the end of the game. Listen, I know that watching Trent Edwards quarterback your team can lead you to lose your mind a bit. Still, well . . . let me set the scenario. At the two-minute warning, the Dolphins punted the ball and it was downed at the 1. The score was Miami 13, Buffalo 10. Buffalo had two timeouts remaining – by the way, they had two and not three because Edwards took a timeout on 3rd and 29 to avoid a delay of game in the third quarter.
Let’s just go ahead and make a blanket rule – if it’s 3rd and 29, and the play clock is about to expire, don’t call timeout. Whatever infinitely small increase in your chance of picking up the first down you get from calling timeout there is not worth the loss of the timeout. I digress, though. So Buffalo has it with 1:48 left, and Edwards throws three straight incompletions on some truly bad passes. So Buffalo is facing 4th and 10 from its own 1, with 1:33 left and two timeouts. Not really a load of good options there, but some are better than others. Gailey sent out the punt team, and the announcer (I think it was Tasker) was questioning it. You know it’s bad when an NFL announcer is questioning it. You can’t punt there, without all your timeouts, because you get the ball back needing to go at least 50 yards in less than 30 seconds with no timeouts to stop the clock, and that’s the best case scenario (they could just get a first down and end it).
Well, Gailey sent the punter out, but then the snapper sent it through the back of the end zone intentionally. Ahhhh! Crazy like a fox, I thought, he’s going to onside kick. I think the case for going for it versus taking the safety/onside kick is a close one. You trade needing a field goal versus needing a touchdown, in exchange for some better field position in the event you recover. The end of game onside kick recovery rate is less than 20%, but Edwards chances of picking up a first on 4th and 10 was probably also. So, I’m congratulating Gailey for that decision.
Then he sends out the punter for the free kick after the safety. I can’t even begin to break down how dense this decision was. He would have been better punting it from the 1 than taking a safety if the goal was to still punt, because if trailing by three from inside your 20 is impossible with 30 seconds and no timeouts, trailing by five from inside your 20 in the same situation is doubly impossible. An onside kick would have had about a 16% chance of success, and then the Bills would have had a fighting chance thereafter. The decisions Gailey made basically eliminated what little chance remained.
Mike Smith, Atlanta
Finally, I’m going to go with one that many might disagree with, but the numbers won’t. In this case, the “numbers” equal “what has really happened in the past.” Mike Smith of Atlanta faced a short 4th and 1 from Pittsburgh 5, trailing 9-6, with 3:28 left. Roddy White caught a pass that was just short of the first down, and Mike Tomlin even wanted to challenge the spot, but was told he couldn’t because it did not result in a first down (he likely wanted to challenge because he feared Atlanta going for it). Now, Smith’s decision would count as conventional wisdom–you take the tie there. Problem is, it’s really a horrible decision when we look at the averages of what happens in these situations. Here’s why. First, you have a chance to take control of the game here. For those of you who play poker, you know you have to get your money in when you think you have the best hand, well, this is a good poker hand here. You convert, and you either score a TD on that play, or have first and goal.
A touchdown for Atlanta then puts Pittsburgh in a spot where Dennis Dixon needs to go the length of the field for a touchdown, a situation where I think Atlanta is a huge favorite. To put it simply, a touchdown is a game changer here; a field goal is not. In fact, Smith was an underdog to win after he kicked a field goal to tie. To go back to the poker analogy, a missed conversion is not the end of the world; you still have multiple outs. Pittsburgh would have been against their own goal, with a backup QB and a slight lead. They would have played it conservatively, and Atlanta would have a good chance to get it back (since it had all three timeouts) with sufficient timeouts and very good field position. Fortes fortuna adiuvat.

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September 13th, 2010 at 10:02 AM
I guess I should thank you instead of complain that you left out Lovie Smith’s 4th down call.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:02 AM
Good post, but you forgot to mention Jim Caldwell’s insistence on punting inside the other team’s 45-yard line five times and asking a guy just signed to be the one responsible for downing the ball inside the five-yard line. I was shocked – shocked! – when that didn’t work out to the Colts’ advantage.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:04 AM
Um, how about Lovie making the mind-numbing decision to not kick a field goal to go up against a team that could not move the ball until the last drive of the game. Luckily a stupid rule bailed his ass out.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:06 AM
I’m not questioning your numbers, I’m just curious how one gets the probability of recovering that particular onside kick. Is that for this specific kick under these circumstances or just a general odds thing for all onside kicks?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:06 AM
Also forgot to mention Del Rio going for it on 4th and 1 at his own 40 yard line up 14 – 7. Almost cost me a TV remote. This was after going for it on 4th at midfield a couple possessions earlier.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Awesome. I said the same thing re: Atlanta. The problem is, a lot of coaches are afraid to fail there. They get DESTROYED by the media if they don’t just take the points.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:07 AM
Keep Choppin Wood?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:08 AM
Gailey’s decision making wins the weekend, for me. But you could write this segment every week (are you going to?). Lots of NFL coaches make boneheaded decisions every weekend.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Loved that one. I think Tice is rubbing off on Lovie.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Chan Gailey obviously have Miami -3
I think it’s TMQ that usually goes on about how in cases like the Falcon’s situation a head coach errs on the side of caution because if the play doesn’t work he gets lambasted by a majority of the fans even if it was the right decision, but you take the points and if you lose it’s the player’s fault
September 13th, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Isn’t there a way to expand it to mention the screw ups of all 32 coaches? Lovie deserves to be on this, but he’s not because he won.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Not exactly a coach, but am I supposed to be impressed with McNabb or not? He led the offense to zero touchdowns and 6 points, and the only reason they won was because the Cowboys did something stupid. Twice.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Keep Choppin Wood?
Ha, that never gets old.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
Lovie also left Megatron in single coverage, too, yes?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:12 AM
gotta love the buffalo jills before they put on their parkas and long pants.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
Great post.
So I have a funny story: was going to my neighborhood sports bar in Brooklyn to catch the Niners game (should have just stopped there) and when I got there the manager who I know pretty well tells me that, of all people, Carmelo Anthony is there with his entourage. This is a pretty random sports bar in Brooklyn – not some posh, mega sports bar.
Pretty ridiculous. Lala wasn’t in attendance. But does this seal Melo to the Brooklyn Nets?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
I watched the end of that Buffalo mess, and thought “why am I not surprised that Shan Daily has effed this up?”. He’s terrible.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
Not only single coverage, but Zack Bowman single coverage. Tillman is supposed to be the #1 corner (he should be the free safety) but instead, he leaves Bowman on him in single coverage. Dumb, just fucking dumb.
Lovie also ran the ball 3 straight times on the 1 with Matt Forte instead of Chester Taylor. I’m convinced now that Lovie was left out of this because he could have gotten his own post but isn’t worth the time.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
I’m not impressed with Caldwell because of this. Not to metion that he did the exact opposite in the Super Bowl, with a kicker who had made one 50-plus FG in 5 years. I’m not rubbing it in. I’m just saying that I don’t agree with Caldwell’s decision making either.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:16 AM
I watched the Eagles game with about 6 hardcore Eagles fans, and the best part was with 5 min left in the game when Reid went from 2 timouts to zero in :30 of gametime. Good times.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:16 AM
it’s not a bad decision when you realize there was a good chance the refs would eff up a game deciding call. damn zebras.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
Ha.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:17 AM
Absolutely. Dallas DLine is the best in football and were all over him all night. He looked pretty mobile in moving around, made plays under duress that Campbell never did.
Donovan winning 10-12 games will be the NFL feel good story this year.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:18 AM
He makes me want to rip my face off.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:18 AM
Didn’t see if it was covered, but I don’t understand Vick’s designed run on 4th down. That’s not Vick’s strength. If you would have made him drop back and then improvise a run, he would have gotten it, no doubt.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:19 AM
Gailey sent out the punt team, and the announcer (I think it was Tasker) was questioning it. You know it’s bad when an NFL announcer is questioning it
Gus Johnson questioned it. Special Teamer Tasker said it was the correct thing to do. they got the ball back right?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:19 AM
I’d like to welcome sanders into the Awful Coaching Coalition. I’ve been a member for 15+ years now.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:20 AM
I totally agreed w/ Gailey’s call. 4th & 10 from our 1″ line? With Edwards throwing 3 yard lasers? They get stopped, Phins score on next play, and it’s 20-10. Game over.
The key was the timeout right before Moorman kicked, so the Phins saw the special teams’ plan. Also, the Bills managed the clock, D held, and they got the ball back on their own 20 and had 4 downs to score (they went backwards 5 yards in those 4 plays)
September 13th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
How about Vick’s crazy decision not to run in for that score and instead throw to a covered DeSean Jackson in the back of the endzone?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Play had a history of success for them, and he picked the wrong lane. If he goes behind Herremans to the inside of McCoy he probably gets it. He went outside of McCoy before realizing his mistake and it was the difference.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Tomlin was right too – they gave Roddy an extra yard and a half.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:21 AM
Started in 1992?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Yeah, that along with his goaline pass attempt despite having a clear shot in the endzone earlier in the 4th didn’t go over well with the locals. To their credit, I was surprised how levelheaded they were. Even they were pointing out how he was unable to throw above the receiver’s knees. Kind of like the Anti-Eli Manning.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Yes, if I wasn’t already defeated by the injuries in the game that would have made me throwing-remote-angry.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:22 AM
September 13th, 2010 at 10:23 AM
sigh. Sad face.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
Great call on the ATL play. Gotta go for that one yard and take command of the game. It cost ATL a win and they will remember this one later in the year. It could be huge as playing a team with the injury/suspension problems and losing is unacceptable.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:24 AM
You got it! Loved Jerry Burns, he cracked me up as a kid. I grew up listening to my dad rant about Bob Schnelker though.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Yeah, I’d much rather have Kolb back there. His 0 completions to Celek and Jackson were awe-inspiring.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
Yeah but how fun is he to watch?!
VICK BEAT THE PACKERS IN LAMBEAU IN THE PLAYOFFS! IN 2002!!!!!!!
September 13th, 2010 at 10:25 AM
I just watched the replay of the Mendenhall run – was curious how he broke so free with 9 men in the box. Pouncey does a good job of chipping and then getting to the ILB, but David Johnson (#85) takes out the OLB and CB (who admittedly was way out of position) with one block.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:27 AM
Coach Uncle Burnsie…Tell me a story.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
In the history of my Vikings fandom, Dennis Green was the best coach. That is horrible.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
It hasn’t been said, but I feel it needs to. Those Bills cheerleaders are fugly.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
jpq…you are just so bitter. why can’t you just watch vick and enjoy the hijinx? some guys are winners, some are just fun to watch. vick is fun to watch and kolb plays football like white bread tastes.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Exactly, just like Dante Culpepper did!!!!!!
September 13th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Haha, I’ve never heard that. I thought you were gonna post this one.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Eagles cheerleaders looked excellent in Kelly Green.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Car crashes are fun to watch, but I wouldnt want to be involved in one.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
It hasn’t been said, but I feel it needs to. Those Bills cheerleaders are fugly.
Have to think of them in relative terms. If those are the cheerleaders imagine what the rest of the women in Buffalo look like…
September 13th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
/pours one out for Nick P
September 13th, 2010 at 10:30 AM
I think the best decision made by an NFL coach was Mike Tomlin deciding to eat KFC double down sandwiches all summer. Dude had to put on 20 Lbs.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
This. I enjoy watching Vick play, but I wouldn’t want him on my team, and I definitely wouldn’t want to count on him to lead an offense down the field to a victory.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:31 AM
When in doubt for a Burnsie bit, go with Jeff Passolt doing a spot on imitation of him.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:32 AM
I do understand that GB wasn’t ready for Vick, but he looked a lot better than Kolb did yesterday. The team seemed to respond better to him as well. Just an observation.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
The Eagle’s Kelly green uniforms were incredibly sharp…why can’t them and the Bills just get wise and stick with the throwbacks full time?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
Totally agree. He got fat. So did Brad Childress.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:33 AM
I posted this in my NFL column today, but I have to share it here as well.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Lots of room for him to run when they’re dropping 8 back in coverage. Just an observation.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
That notion is the one that scares me. If things go strangely the next couple of weeks and the locker room decides the team has a better shot at winning with Vick than Kolb, all bets are off for Reid. And I will probably need medication.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
Car crashes are fun to watch, but I wouldnt want to be involved in one.
fantastic
September 13th, 2010 at 10:34 AM
I’m going to sit back and enjoy watching the Michael Vick Experience for the duration of time he gets on the field this season. It was exciting and he made what was turning into a blowout, an entertaining game to watch.
What he did in the past is nefarious. My opinion of him as a person doesn’t affect my enjoyment of watching him play football.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Actually, when you drop 8 into zone coverage it’s generally move difficult to run for the QB.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:35 AM
You know what coach had the strangest call? Schnellenberger.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
jpq…you are just so bitter. why can’t you just watch vick and enjoy the hijinx? some guys are winners, some are just fun to watch. vick is fun to watch and kolb plays football like white bread tastes.
I’m not bitter. I’m just sick of people thinking this guy is Unitas/Marino/Elway & Steve Young wrapped up in a bowl of excitement.
People have written Kolb off already, after one quarter of the first game. Vick had 6 years to prove he’s exciting as hell and maddening as hell.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
Mike Martz and Mike Tice’s moobs are in desperate need of manzeers.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:36 AM
Eagles werent great yesterday morning, losing 2 starters for the year doesnt help. Looking like a 5 win team.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Philly’s O-line got blown up especially after their center left the game. Raji and Pickett were flying up the middle forcing Vick out of the pocket where he ran all day (except on the 3rd and goal). This was definitely a case where Vick was better because Philly needed a mobile QB, but Kolb can make all the throws and they need him out there to get experience…besides, its a mute point. You don’t trade McNabb in the division and then bench Kolb after one game.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Have to think of them in relative terms. If those are the cheerleaders imagine what the rest of the women in Buffalo look like…
says the guy in upper bumfuck Canada who thinks the 4 leggeds on the dogsleds look good by February
September 13th, 2010 at 10:37 AM
He’s not on because I agree with his decision to go for it, just not his execution. Forte was a terrible short yardage back a year ago and continued that yesterday.
But 4th and goal from the 1 is virtually always a go for it situation. I can think of some when its not (very late in game, fg just as good to win) but this isn’t it. If you check the pbp from 2009, its also the one area where coaches go for it alot as a group. I think Todd Haley was the only one to kick 2 fg’s inside the 10 on 4th and 1, and I cursed him for it.
Reason: Just like what the Bears did (later got ball back on short field and scored go ahead td) we cant assume that same td if they had to go 30 extra yards (difference between Detroit starting at own 1 and after kickoff on average).
September 13th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
One of Vicks’s other issues I think is that he seems to always want to prove to people that he can be a good QB and not just a runner, which is fine, but then that makes him do things like this. Remember a season or 2 before his suspension a big story was about how people started to realize that he may not be a that great a passer, so for the next 3 weeks instead of running he just tried to throw TD all the time.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
who’s saying vick is king shit? just that he’s fun to watch.
every QB today is a boring, white bread automaton. sometimes it’s nice to see a guy play QB by the seat of his pants, for better or for worse.
plus…if he does well, yay entertainment! if he sucks…who cares, fuck the eagles!
September 13th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
I don’t know, I thought the defense actually look quite good. Front four put a lot of pressure on. But if Stewart Bradley is out for a while it’s a real problem.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
How much do Packers fans love Justin Harrell after yet another “significant” knee injury?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:38 AM
But for one reason or another, that’s not the way it played out. Whenever they brought pressure with Matthews, he got hit, or threw a pass at the receiver’s feet. When they only rushed 3 or 4 linemen, he was able to scramble for gains.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Its GB, a high school team could get pressure on that OLine.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:40 AM
You should speak in more absolutes, it might help your argument.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
/bathroom stall’d?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Exactly. I’m not hoping he becomes Steve Young anymore, I just want to watch interesting football. It’s why I don’t care if Brett Favre does this wait and see game every year. He makes the Vikings (and the NFL) more interesting and better to watch. As a neutral fan, I’d rather watch Favre play than T. Jackson or some dude named Sage. Same goes for Vick and Kolb.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
so its like shipping it in with a flush draw on the flop? you have chance to take it down right there if they fold and even if youre called you still have a 35% or so chance to win
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
But this FG doesn’t tie the game… it gives you the lead. The Bears defense hadn’t allowed Shaun Hill and the Lions offense to gain a first down since Stafford went down. Take the points and lead then let your defense hold. Plus, there were 9+ mins left in the game I believe. If the Lions get the ball back and score, they aren’t taking 9 minutes to do so.
I gotta disagree with it. Take the points and the lead.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
says the guy in upper bumfuck Canada who thinks the 4 leggeds on the dogsleds look good by February
We don’t notice the dog sleds in February, that’s mid-season hockey time.
/flips page in pretty puppies of the northwest calendar
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
His previous issue was his back. Finally got that figured out and then he blows out his knee. Feel awful for the guy.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Oh vey.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Jason – I understand your thinking but I think the sheer awfulness of the Sean hill led Lions offense needs to be taken into account.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
is this not true though? today’s NFL is pretty scripted and rote on offense and you don’t see nearly the level of improvisation you do in CFB.
so when someone like vick or VY comes around, it’s refreshing.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:42 AM
who’s saying vick is king shit?
you need to be on twitter more (or I need to unfollow more people), because you’d think Jim Brown just handed Vick his GOAT belt
September 13th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
derek anderson?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
This. And facts be facts: Iggles were more effective with the ball in Vicks hands.
Are we getting anything on the concussion issues that were going on yesterday? Watching Bradley look like a drunk baby was scary. Funny, but scary.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:43 AM
Just read about this in Mandel’s column today, what the fuck? So basically his kids went out and busted their asses while their coach was viewing the game as a scrimmage
I was shocked that he made the team…dude needs to find a new profession, I’d suggest strip club bouncer but one unruly patron like Dirt in Montreal and a broken leg will follow
September 13th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
But I agree with you on the execution part, Jason. Chester Taylor should have been in there. Hell, give it to the fullback even.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:44 AM
Probably the same way Indy fans feel about Bob Sanders. When you factor in actual production vs missed game time, he might be the most overrated player in the NFL. I may be wrong, but I’d love to hear suggestions for someone else.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:45 AM
My estimate may have been slightly low, but it’s less than 25% there. This article by Brian Burke plots success rate of onside kicks compared to likelihood of winning at time of onside kickoff. He has 26% as the overall success rate, but that includes “surprise” onside kicks like New Orleans in the Super Bowl, where the success is a lot higher than when teams know it is coming. If you look at the chart halfway down, it looks like the success rate is a little less than 20% on kicks where the chance of winning are less than 10% when the team opts to kick.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Are we getting anything on the concussion issues that were going on yesterday? Watching Bradley look like a drunk baby was scary. Funny, but scary.
This. Funny to watch but scary. I remember watching video of when I got KFTO, total bambi legs, didn’t remember a thing.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
Id be curious to know what he remembers of yesterday. Cannot believe they would put him back out there, Im not sure for how many plays but I did see him make a tackle after that. And THEN you take him out in the 2nd half with a concussion? League should be looking into that.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
jared allen.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
I’m not sure there’s any way to measure that. When he’s on the field, he’s an All Pro. He’s not on the field much. Him being injured all the time doesn’t take away from the fact he dominates when he’s on it.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
The difference here is that losing Bob Sanders hurts since he’s actually good…Justin Harrell has the distinct pleasure of being Ted Thompson’s worst draft pick (can’t say it’s the worst in team history since Ahmad Carroll happened)
September 13th, 2010 at 10:46 AM
No. Love watching Manning, Favre, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers… quality QB is just awesome to watch. Rodgers yesterday was just so smooth and so quick. I can’t totally hate on douchebeard. But I would much rather watch any of those guys than watch Michael Vick go 10-24 for 105 yards, with two great runs. I can get my great runs from Adrian Peterson, Chris Johnson, or a multitude of great running backs, thanks.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Alex Smith and jay Cutler
September 13th, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Cool. Thanks for that. I was a little nervous when the name Brian Burke came up and I was going to start questioning your sources.
/hockey fan
September 13th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
i never said that it wasn’t entertaining to watch, but having some variety is never a bad thing.
i mean, would you rather watch kolb be andy reid’s puppet or watch andy reid nearly have a heart attack when vick does something stupid/crazy? im all for the heart attack.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
Whenever someone brings up Harrell, I feel I am obligated to point out that TT traded up in the draft to get Clay Matthews.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
His argument is not that Vick is not fun to watch, his argument is that people think that because he is exciting that it makes him a top QB, which is true.
If you read or watch ESPN this morning, people are making him seem like king shit because like he said, now there is all this talk that the Eagles should make him the starter when Kolb was injured before the game was even 1/2 over.
They traded away one of the top QBs in the league to make Kolb the starter, so to give Vick the job before he has had even an entire 1/2 to play and prove himself is stupid.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:48 AM
CJ: I saw that on ehre somebody noted that the league mnight have made a phone call to the Eagles. I could not believe, that after all this talk about head trauma, Bradley came out again. Big eyebrow raise. I played a game with a concussion once. The most foolish thing I’ve ever done. Easily.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
Well, of course there’s no way to measure it, but this is The Big Lead, we don’t need stats to tell us something! Seriously though, he’s even if he’s All-Pro when he plays, which I’m not denying, that has to be diminished significantly by the fact that more often than not, he’s hurt.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
September 13th, 2010 at 10:49 AM
jared allen.
aww
September 13th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Yeah, not falling for that bait.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
I’d love Vick on my team right about now.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
For the first time in the history of Jay Cutler in a Bears uniform I can honestly say I was proud of our fat diabetic this weekend. He threw one bad ball. He also had about 5 passes dropped, including one that should have been a 60 yard touchdown.
Cutler looked good yesterday.
/against the Lions, I know
//baby steps
September 13th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Wow, things seem to be unraveling in the Bay Area quickly.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:50 AM
omg s1rweeze, chill out. the fuck is with the nitpicking?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Oh, of course. His health is why he slipped to the second round in the draft and was always going to be an issue, but the last two seasons it’s reached a whole new level of ridiculousness. I’ll feel terrible if he’s done, because he may be done for good, but at least I won’t have to worry about getting my hopes up again.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
alex smith sits down to pee.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:51 AM
Link some shit.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
Then what exactly did you mean by this?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:52 AM
The Eagles need Kolb to be healthy and good. But as you saw yesterday, all things considered, Mike Vick is probably the best backup QB in the league. Complete change of pace and can make plays for you. But quite flawed as a starter.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
? It was right there, I’m not gonna ignore a blatant contradiction like that.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Know what I noticed yesterday for the first time? The average lineman in the NFL has an incredibly sweaty ass.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Jersey, PFT.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Charles Robinson tweeted last night that the NFL and NFLPA will look into the Bradley and Kolb head injuries, and how the Eagles handled it.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:53 AM
Sports is just entertainment, that’s all. And to me Vick is more entertaining than 90% of other qb’s
September 13th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
Oh I’m on Team Ted wholeheartedly, even sided with him over the Favre thing as it was happening…no one bats 1.000 (or .000 in Mike Sherman’s drafting case, he found some guys who weren’t completely terrible at football)
September 13th, 2010 at 10:54 AM
?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?
September 13th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
Oh god, my chest hurts so much right now I feel like i am going to have a heart attack.
No joke.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:55 AM
On this topic–and yes, first game etc. etc.–I’d like to go ahead and call the Rebirth of the Raiders a load of horseshit, yet again.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Sorry, did not notice you said backup.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:56 AM
Uhhh, Tarvaris Jackson anyone?
/sobs
September 13th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Your initial reaction made me think I had accidentally left out a word or something, yeah.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
Oh, I know and I am the same. After yesterdays performance, I just felt like bringing up the prettiest man in the NFL.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:58 AM
first off, it’d be a contradiction if i went into detail trying to prove a point which i later retracted. it was a gross generalization, not some declarative statement. there wasn’t substance to the comment, just saying that i like watching vick because he’s a ton different than the large majority of the QB’s in the NFL.
also, i said the QB’s were boring, not their play…so stop jumping on my nuts for a quick comment that didn’t go into detail.
September 13th, 2010 at 10:59 AM
49ers meltdown= division win. duh.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Ok, spencer.
So since the Texans finally beat the Colts, I really hope this doesn’t mean we won’t see the Rosencopter clip 700 times before every Houston/Indy game. Rosencopter must live!
September 13th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Glad I wasn’t the only one to think this.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:00 AM
Chad Pennington? Dennis Dixon? The back up qb department is very ewww inducing.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:02 AM
Glad I wasn’t the only one to think this.
Thought the same thing. Didn’t click the link however as I typically disregard anything that comes out of Burke’s mouth.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:03 AM
seneca wallace.
/drinks poison
September 13th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
I’m not sure what to make of the the Giants game. Their secondary was consistently giving up critical 3rd downs to Matt fucking Moore, and the only reason they looked good was because of Moor’s stupidity. The receivers HAVE to know that Eli tends to throw a bit high; they have to adjust accordingly. But Eli cannot keep throwing those hospital passes; my point is, I don’t know who to blame for those INTs. Oh and cut the fucking punter, will ya Tom?
September 13th, 2010 at 11:04 AM
If rumor is to be believed, Chad Limparm is going to be the starter in Miami here soon.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Chad Pennington? Dennis Dixon? The back up qb department is very ewww inducing.
Luke McCown.
/sad face
September 13th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
So if you don’t go into detail then it’s OK to make 2 statements which contradict each other?
And you would rather watch vick screw up a play and gain zero yards even though he spent 30 seconds scrambling then Manning or Brees throw a perfect 50 yard bomb? I understand, but how do you plan winning?
September 13th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Caleb Hanie.
/who?
//exactly
September 13th, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Mike Vick is probably the best backup QB in the league.
Brunell?
September 13th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Tim Tebow is the best backup QB in the league
September 13th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Mike Vick is probably the best backup QB in the league.
Trent Edwards
/jumps into my pool with 100 lb weight tied to ankle
September 13th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Pennington is still in the league? Get out of here!
September 13th, 2010 at 11:07 AM
The Packers easily lead the league in ugly linebackers…saw Clay Matthews compared to Vigo the Carpathian here yesterday, still laughing over it
September 13th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Brunell?
shut up.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Hoping to make a run at winning a 3rd Comeback Player of the Year Award
September 13th, 2010 at 11:08 AM
Tim Tebow is the best backup QB in the league
2 carries for 2 yards FTW!
/almost had beer come out the nose when McDaniels had him split out wide
September 13th, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Brunell is done I think. Isnt he 3rd on the depth chart?
September 13th, 2010 at 11:12 AM
Oh wow, he is. I thought he retired. Crazy. and making over 2 million. Isn’t this arm/shoulder totally dead though?
September 13th, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Isn’t this arm/shoulder totally dead though?
This assumes it was alive in the first place.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:21 AM
Sanchez.
/2012′d
September 13th, 2010 at 11:22 AM
I am in the tank for Chad. The one thing you will get from him, you know he is not going to throw a stupid pass. It won’t be an awe-inspiring one, but he won’t make you want to tear your hair out.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:31 AM
Some MLB players need to research the doctor Sanders has been using for the last few years…