Kicking the Late Field Goal Down by Two Scores
NFL September 29th. 2010, 2:00pm
In the comments to yesterday’s post about the Packers’ decision not to let the Bears score, there was some discussion of whether it is a good strategy to kick a field goal once you get into field goal range down by 9, 10, or 11 points late in the game. The logic behind such a move is presumably that the team needs two scores anyway, an onside kick will need to occur whether you score a touchdown or field goal first, and if you go ahead and take the field goal, you have time to throw some desperation passes to the end zone. I know we haven’t had this situation occur yet this year, but I thought I would lay out a discussion regarding this scenario.
My first thought is, unlike the Monday night scenario, where allowing the score and getting the ball back showed a significant advantage of about 10% chance of winning versus less than 3%, there isn’t much difference between the two choices. Both are extreme long shots because of all the things that must go right in a short period of time, and they are both reliant on a successful onside kick. If you opt for the field goal, (1) you must make it (not automatic), (2) get the onside kick, and (3) then score a touchdown from 60 yards away with whatever time is left.
If you opt to keep pushing on, you must (1) score the TD with sufficient time to matter, (2) get the onside kick, and then either (3)(a) pick up about 30 yards with enough time to get the field goal team on and make the kick (again, not automatic), or (3)(b) hit a hail mary pass to win. Oh, and if you were down by 10, not only do you have to do all those things, but you have to then win in overtime still (unless you scored a td followed by a hail mary). If you were down by 11, add in a 2-point conversion to the necessary tasks to accomplish. Combine all of those things, and in both scenarios, you probably have less than a 1% chance of winning, and we are arguing about paltry percentage points to the third decimal place.
That said, I think the field goal is the better option to what happens in many games, where the team plays as if they have time remaining, wastes clock with passes in the field of play, and leaves themselves with no time to do anything more than recover an onside kick and maybe have one play. However, I don’t think it’s the best option, because taking the smaller amount of points first precludes you from winning in regulation (unless down by 9). Let me set up this scenario. Team completes a pass for a first down to the opponent’s 25-yard line, runs up and spikes the ball with exactly 1 minute left and no timeouts remaining, down by between 9 and 11 points. I think the best strategy in that scenario is for the team to behave like they have 20 seconds left and no timeouts down by a touchdown from that distance. Run vertical routes and post routes and throw to the end zone. If you are in field goal range, you are also in range to throw legitimate passes to the end zone. Absolutely nothing short. Take two shots to the end zone, and if not intercepted or successful, then you take the field goal and hopefully used up about 12 seconds.
Well, now that I think about it, that’s not actually what I would do in that situation. What I would do is run my field goal team on the field after the spike on first down to stop the clock. I would be all histrionic Mike Singletary-style running down the sidelines and yelling at my QB to get off the field because we are going to take the points. And I then would run a fake field goal with a pass toward the sideline. It may sound like a crazy strategy, but it’s pretty safe because it’s second down and assuming your holder is reasonably competent, he can just throw it away if it is not there. If you catch the team off guard though and leak the receiver out cleanly, you might just score a much easier touchdown than you could ever hope from a standard play. [Image via Getty]

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September 29th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
wait, a post on something written in the comments..ppl actually read those things
/tyduffy
September 29th, 2010 at 2:04 PM
Works just fine in Madden.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
Good post, Lisk. And I like that play a lot, and could see someone like Sean Payton running it. Unfortunately, my team is coached by Andy Reid who would likely opt for a couple short passes over the middle of the field before allowing time to run out as the field goal unit tried to run on the field.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:07 PM
They always say you get the three first, but if you’re already in field goal range why not go for the seven then and take your chances with the long field goal later? The talking heads always say you “want to extend the game,” but if I had a thousand dollars for every time I’ve seen one of Norv Turner’s teams miss a field goal down 10 points in the fourth quarter I’d have…a lot of money, but not enough to cover a Cowboys’ team dinner.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:10 PM
Fake FG Idea is crazy enough to work but I can not honestly think of an NFL coach other then Payton who would try it, most of them are way to conservative to even hint at it.
Heck, I’m still shaking my head at how Raheem punted from the Steelers 38 with 6:30 left in the game down 3 scores
September 29th, 2010 at 2:12 PM
so when are we talking about this?
September 29th, 2010 at 2:13 PM
There has to be a Point of No Return time though where you have to take the three in order to ensure there’s enough left to recover the onside and get the next score, right?
September 29th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
Lovie would just take a knee. McCarthy would later call it the right move.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:17 PM
I take it Lisk is a fan of this play.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Makes mental note for next Madden game…
Good stuff Lisk!
September 29th, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Remember when Mike Tice tried that with Randy Moss against the Eagles in the playoffs, but failed to explain to the refs what he was going to try and do?
September 29th, 2010 at 2:22 PM
Still the best video from that game…Jesse Palmer making fun of that guy slays me
September 29th, 2010 at 2:51 PM
As you said over at S&F, this is deplorable. No question they shouldn’t have even put themselves in that situation to begin with. That being said:
Dunnings said the determination as to whether or not to prosecute was based in part on information not contained in the police reports — and that the alleged victim agreed that no charges should be filed.
“After reviewing everything with the young lady, this was a mutual decision,” Dunnings said in a phone interview Monday. “She [the victim] fully understood and agreed, is what Ms. Bouck [Ingham County Prosecutor assigned to review sex crimes] related to me.”
Is it possible that the girl realized after the fact that this would get around pretty quickly (given she lived in the dorm) and, perhaps, wanted to head that off? Perhaps that’s why charges were not brought. In the end, not cool at all.
September 29th, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Mr Lisk – thank you, interesting post. I really like the fake FG idea. We’ve seen it work before (Pats against Rams, I think, a few years ago with Vinatieri albeit in a different scenario) and think that it would at least be worth a try.
I think only Belichick or Payton would be reasonably intelligent enough to think it up.
September 29th, 2010 at 3:13 PM
I really like the fake FG idea.
up 10, with the potential of only giving up 3, no reputable defensive coordinator or head coach would take his defense off the field.
There is zero reason to rush the kicker in that scenario. The defense would be ecstatic if they took three points right away and then the onside kick.
September 30th, 2010 at 1:17 PM
A FG kicker in the NFL should be automatic within 30 yards so going for that is near 95% or better
It is smart going for the FG on 1st down in the OT