Yes, The Packers and Saints Are Both Still Serious Contenders
NFL, Video September 9th. 2011, 10:45am
After last night’s fantastic game in which the offenses exploded for over 400 yards each, and the teams combined for 76 points, I’m more convinced that both of these teams are serious contenders for the Super Bowl. But what about the defenses? Do you think last night was about the quality of the offense, or the lack of defense? I think it’s mostly the former, with a dash of the Saints being without their best defensive end, Will Smith.
I didn’t see many completely blown coverages. I saw plenty of plays where there was very good coverage by the secondary but it didn’t matter. Against 90% of the quarterbacks in this league, the Saints would have allowed something more along the lines of 20 of 35 for 230 yards, and the Packers would have racked up more sacks and turnovers going against a team playing from behind.
Since 1990, 11 teams have scored at least 30 points but still lost the season opener. 8 of those 11 teams went on to make the playoffs, the last being the 2007 Giants, who lost the opener at Dallas 45-35. The 11 opponents of those teams made it 10 of 11 times. In other words, when there is an opening day shootout, the teams tend to be good, and it’s probably more about the offenses already clicking. Drew Brees also became the 5th passer ever to throw for 400 yards on opening day and lose, and his 419 yards ties Peyton Manning last year and Terry Bradshaw in 1984 as most in an opening week lost (all 4 other teams that threw for 400 also made the playoffs).
Of course, the story of last night’s game were the two short yardage plays near the end zone. The first came with just over 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and the Saints down 35-27. New Orleans had just been stopped on 3rd and 1, and needed a foot for a first down. The decision to go for it was absolutely the correct one, down 8, with a foot to go, in a shootout. The fact that the Packers went 93 yards to extend the lead sort of validated that, if the 4 touchdown drives before did not already. The problem was the decision to go to a more base formation with receivers wide, and pass out of it.
Later, after a frantic drive in the final minute, the Saints got to the 10 yard line. A.J. Hawk was called for interference on Darren Sproles on the final play, which I thought was a harsh result and it looked like a great defensive play that should have ended it. Nonetheless, the Saints got one play from the 1-yard line, and penetration by the tackles Raji and Pickett and selling out by everyone else cleaned it up so Ingram had no chance. The interesting thing is, I thought that same play would have been enough on the earlier 4th down, when there were 2 less feet to go. On that final play, the Saints went with a true short yardage package, and tried to power the Packers, which they had not done well all night. A naked boot by Brees there on the fake out of the power formation, and Brees would have walked in easily.
This game came down to the Colston fumble on the second play of offense for New Orleans, which put them chasing down 14-0 before Brees had a chance to get going, and the short yardage failures by New Orleans in the red zone, while the Packers cashed (often on third down) when they got close and had no turnovers. Both teams moved the ball all night with precise passes from the quarterbacks, and a multitude of diverse weapons. The Packers made the game winning plays. The Saints will clean up their errors and be very dangerous, and get Will Smith back in week 3. Both of these teams will be strong contenders for the Super Bowl.
[photo via Getty]

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September 9th, 2011 at 10:52 AM
So the PI was on Hawk. He and Matthews look too much alike.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:53 AM
I feel smarter for having the same line of thinking that Lisk does. I’m gonna go treat myself to a danish now.
I still think the Chiefs are winning in Buffalo though!
September 9th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Like ugly neanderthals?
September 9th, 2011 at 10:54 AM
To any asshole buzzkill saying whiny bullshit like ‘DERP, I GUESS AFTER THE LOCKOUT, THEY CHANGED THE RULES TO FLAG FOOTBALL,’ go fuck yourself and stop needlessly pissing on the first effing game of the year which is always fun and satisfying regardless of how it plays out.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:55 AM
The whole defense leaping into the air through the line of scrimmage was kinda beautiful
September 9th, 2011 at 10:56 AM
I would say these teams would suffer against a good defense but I dont think there is a good defense in the NFC
September 9th, 2011 at 10:58 AM
I think the PI call was correct. He bumped Tiny Darren before he batted the ball down.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:59 AM
The Packers just look unstoppable, going back to last year’s playoffs. Rodgers has to be considered as one of the top 3 QBs in the league, if not no. 1 overall. He’s in his prime, he’s accurate, and his mobility helps avoid a lot of potential sacks. Definitely the guy I’d take no. 1 overall if I were starting a team from scratch and had my pick of all available players.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Like ugly neanderthals?
That’s no way to talk about Brady Quinn’s sister.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
The division the Packers play in will force them to face a pretty good pass rush 6 times a year. Just look at the 3 games against Chicago last season. 17, 10 and 21 points.
The Bears are not a better football team than the Packers. They do force that offense to sputter a bit though. It’s like the Giants against the Patriots in that Super Bowl. Drop 7 into coverage, get pressure with 4. That’s how you slow down that offense. The pressure has to be good though.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Is anyone saying they’re not?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:00 AM
I think the PI call was correct. He bumped Tiny Darren before he batted the ball down.
Full speed it looked like an OK call. But on replay, Hawk was clearly there right as the ball was coming in. I thought it was a good defensive play.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
First game of the year! Haven’t seen any other teams play! Everyone’s predictions are still correct!
September 9th, 2011 at 11:01 AM
2003 Fiesta Bowl really screwed you up good.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
2003 Fiesta Bowl really screwed you up good.
+1 lost title
September 9th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
Don’t worry, we’ll take care of that.
Signed,
Steelers/Ravens
September 9th, 2011 at 11:02 AM
I honestly think Clay Matthews could be somewhat attractive if he didn’t have that horrible hair. When Michelle was interviewing him before the game last night, I thought his face looked decent. He has nice skin and his eyes didn’t look all sunken in.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Why is there a college football post after the roundup with the comments turned off?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:03 AM
That….and a lot of other things along the way.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
We can’t overlook how much special teams figured into this game, too. Couple return TDs.
Still don’t like the new kickoff rule but it is what it is.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:04 AM
I really hate that that’s a noon game. Should be on Sunday night.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:05 AM
Still don’t like the new kickoff rule but it is what it is.
I hate hate hate the new kickoff rules. They are ridiculous.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I must say, I’m a little surprised at how many Kid Rock haters there were last night. Love it or leave it, people. Kid Rock is ‘Merican. I would love to go to one of his concerts.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:07 AM
I agree, but with two monday night games and a thurs, its actually a pretty widely distributed game. It feels so good to visit the 506 again.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Bears first three games
Atl
NO
GB
If they don’t beat ATl, they will be 0-3
September 9th, 2011 at 11:11 AM
It’s not really a post. Just a B1Gvertisement.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
Why is there a college football post after the roundup with the comments turned off?
A sponsored post about the Big Ten could result in all commenters being banned.
I was watching Palladia the other night and caught some Kid Rock — I’m pretty sure he was wearing a Red Wings championship ring.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
What brought this on?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
It’s much better than most of the other crap football fans are subjected to.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:12 AM
I think they can beat Green Bay. It’s at Soldier. Anything can happen there. Travelling to the Superdome seems like a sure loss though, yeah.
Would really like to beat Atlanta on Sunday for sure. Going to be a fun game.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:13 AM
Home against GB is a win for the Bears.
Seriously, fuck all this Packers love. We’ll see how good they are when they play a team with a decent defense.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:14 AM
/high fives sportsgal
September 9th, 2011 at 11:15 AM
Super Bowl XLV? It’s basically the same team.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:16 AM
Hot stinking garbage. Kid Rock should be drowned in the Detroit River.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Aaron Rodgers is going to be injured sooner or later. He gets sacked a lot. I expect the Lions will be the one to accomplish this.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Hot stinking garbage. Kid Rock should be drowned in the Detroit River.
Co-signed.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 AM
Like the Steelers? Or like the lesser defense the Ravens sport? Or maybe the Jets? I guess one of these days the Pats will actually beat a good defense when it matters most, in the playoffs.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:18 AM
We’ll see how good they are when they play a team with a decent defense.
Super Bowl XLV? It’s basically the same team.
The offense looked even better with Finley.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Except with Cobb and Finbeast right now. They’re like, better and stuff.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
He and Matthews look too much alike.
They look just like the band Nelson, except bigger.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Except with Cobb and Finbeast right now. They’re like, better and stuff.
Plus that guy named “not Brandon Jackson” at running back.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:20 AM
Game was pretty fun last night, especially if you like flag football.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:22 AM
The Packers will miss Brandon Jackson’s ability to pick up the blitz, though. Starks whiffed on one and got Rodgers sacked.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
Lisk’s heel turn into a Packer fan was not something I expected. I’m not sure how to handle this.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:23 AM
A few years ago, I must have heard that fucking “All Summer Long” miscarriage of a mashup about 35 times in the Arrowhead Stadium parking lot. Then we went in to the stadium and they were playing it on the PA.
KC will never, ever trim its Ape Drape.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:24 AM
Given that my fave baseball team (Nats) are out of any sort of playoff consideration, bring on football (at least until my Chargers get eliminated).
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Similarly, neither can live without the other’s love and affection.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Uh, “is out of any sort…”
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Plus wasn’t Nick Barnett injured last year?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
I didn’t know McCaskey’s family posted on this blog.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
So they DO have an actual fan!
Wait, you’re in Colorado, right?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Oh, nvm, he’s not on them anymore.
/shows self out
September 9th, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Lisk’s heel turn into a Packer fan was not something I expected. I’m not sure how to handle this.
Like professional wrestling, you never know where I’m going next. I may surprise you and slam Rodgers in the turnbuckle after shaking his hand.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
/Stanzi’d
September 9th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
it’s not known as Camarohead for nothing.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:26 AM
It’s true. I never thought the Packers would win the George Halas Trophy at Soldier Field, but sure enough they did.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:27 AM
Some of you talk about how overrated Meriweather is. Roman Harper is the biggest joke of a Pro Bowl safety in the NFL. He’s Andre Gurode Pro Bowl bad.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:28 AM
Saints need to work on their tackling, pass defense, rush defense, and adjusting to the offensive schemes. Other than that, I think the worries about their D is a little over the top.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
I thought he was a rapper. No, wait, he’s a rocker. No, wait, he’s a country singer. No, wait, he’s the second coming of John Cougar.
/pick a genre and stick to it
September 9th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
that would be a nice swerve. then pound a couple of Lisk-weisers.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:29 AM
The bears won’t have a decent defense this year. They’re all old now. And that D-Line is a joke outside of Peppers.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Why pick one when you can be completely abortionistic in all four!
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 AM
Some of you talk about how overrated Meriweather is. Roman Harper is the biggest joke of a Pro Bowl safety in the NFL. He’s Andre Gurode Pro Bowl bad.
Well, the premature grey suggests he is aging at three times the rate of a normal person. He is 28 and he looks like he is 40 with all that grey.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 AM
And why the frick did Jimmy Graham mock the belt after his TD. Dude, you’re still down by 8. Get your ass to the sideline.
I hate celebrating like you won when you’re losing.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Oh, do explain this one. Izzy had just as many sacks as Julius last year. And they have a nice 4 man rotation at DT now. Something they haven’t had since the Super Bowl year.
It’s the secondary the Bears need to be concerned about. Especially this Sunday. Peanut can slow Roddy White down, but Tim Jennings is fucked against Julio Jones. If Matty Ice decides to throw more than 5 yards down field that is.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:33 AM
You are the only person from Michigan that doesn’t like Kid Rock.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:35 AM
It’s the secondary the Bears need to be concerned about.
And they play a good qb in Ryan, and two great QBs in Rodgers and Brees.
/0-3
September 9th, 2011 at 11:36 AM
This is just wrong. Those DTs aren’t all that good.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
That’s nothing that Walt Frazier and Keith Hernandez can’t fix.
/No play for Mr. Grey
September 9th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
Oh and Ryan Grant will make a great backup to Starks the rest of the year.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:37 AM
I hate post 1997 Kid Rock and I’m from Michigan.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Unfortunately this might be true.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
My team is awesome and your team sucks. Fin.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 AM
It’s true. I never thought the Packers would win the George Halas Trophy at Soldier Field, but sure enough they did.
Nice.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
All you mother fuckers are hating on the Bears only because SC likes them. I fucking hate all of you.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Hey SC and SG, you guys hitting up Oktoberfest this weekend?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:39 AM
Full disclosure, I’m blinded by my hatred for the bears.
/go lions
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
+1
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 AM
The plan right now is to go tomorrow. We’ll see if the weather cooperates.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:41 AM
Learn to embrace the hate, SG. I have.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
I’m definitely going tomorrow, and I’m probably going tonight too. It’s right on the end of my block. Easy to stumble home.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:42 AM
All you mother fuckers are hating on the Bears only because SC
likes themis delusional about how good they’re going to be. I fucking hate all of you.September 9th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
SC has nothing to do with my hate for the Bears.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
No. I can’t and I won’t! They’re only doing it because you ALWAYS talk mad shit! Mondays are going to be miserable for me because of you.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:43 AM
I’m Bears fan, just being realistic.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
I didn’t care so much about how bad Kid Rock was as much as I did about the presentation. I get that this is supposed to be 9/11ish, but come on. The flag is supposed to be a symbol of reverence. It’s not supposed to a be a prop on Kid Rock’s stage. But it’s not as bad as when people use it as their advertising symbol. I see American flags as the logos of cement mixer trucks down here. What, I’m supposted to buy from them because they have the most patriotic cement.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:44 AM
Iowa-Iowa State tomorrow. Maybe I’ll make my way out. Sunday is devoted all to football and the Bears.
Lincoln Square?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
You live off Lawrence? Off Leland? My BFF lives in the neighborhood as well.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Yeah, right at Lincoln and Leland just before the actual square.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
Absolutely not. They’re a .500 team this year. I am just hoping to be surprised. I know the weaknesses are the defensive secondary, lack of a true playmaking wideout and the offensive line. Can only hope to be surprised by Johnny Knox’s development and the offensive line meshing. The secondary has no hope. Of that I am sure.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:46 AM
Leland
September 9th, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Gerard. I was a huge Air Coryell fan as a teenager, and stuck with the Chargers ever since.
My ex-wife is a big Broncos (and Elway) fan, so that ensures I’ll never root for the Broncos, whether I live in CO or anywhere else.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:55 AM
“Yes, The Packers … Are … Still Serious Contenders”
There. fixed that for ya.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:02 PM
Love it or leave it, people. Kid Rock is ‘Merican.
/Stanzi’d
September 9th, 2011 at 12:11 PM
He’s from da U. They celebrate winning the coin flip.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:12 PM
The flag is supposed to be a symbol of reverence. It’s not supposed to a be a prop on Kid Rock’s stage. But it’s not as bad as when people use it as their advertising symbol.
There’s a god-awful excample of this in Dallas: Cowboy shitkicker Lyle from “Blazing Saddles” (you know — “Send wire, main office, tell them I said ‘Ow’”) appears in some dipshit car dealership TV commercial, all a-hootin’ and a-hollerin’, but at the end, he breaks character and proclaims, “God bless America, and our troops!”
Makes me want to kick in the TV screen every time. Go wrap yourself up in somebody else’s flag, asshats who don’t understand what patriotism truly means.