Jay Bilas vs. Nick Saban Over Paying College Athletes Would Be Must-See TV
ESPN, Media Gossip/Musings January 27th. 2012, 1:09pm
I’d love to get Jay Bilas and Nick Saban in a room 1-on-1 to talk about paying college athletes. Bilas recently sat down with J. Brady McCollough of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and spoke at length about the subject:
Last summer, ESPN aired a show called “College Football: Blueprint For Change,” which featured a roundtable of important voices. Bilas was the only person with no affiliation to football who was invited to join the panel.
Surrounded mostly by skeptical ears, Bilas described his plan to fix college athletics: an Olympic model in which players are not paid directly by their schools but can benefit from outside sources using their name or likeness.
“A music student who’s on a full music scholarship can cut a record,” Bilas said that day, “can play at Carnegie Hall, can be on TV, can be in a movie, whatever they want. Regular students get paid all the time.”
At one point, Alabama coach Nick Saban, who makes more than $4 million a year, said “It’s not a business. … Nobody’s really making money. I mean, we get paid salaries.”
Bilas responded, “I’ll say.”
If you’re wondering about video of this event, here’s a cut up version. There’s plenty of talk about paying players in the middle of this (but very little from Bilas). I suggest waiting for Rod Gilmore to make a lot of sense only to have Kirk Herbstreit laugh and say he’s “crazy.”
You know which side of this argument I’m on, so there’s no need to club you over the head again with that opinion. Also, I’d put Floyd Mayweather money on Bilas to record a first-round KO. [Post-Gazette]

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January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 PM
I bet $4 million goes a pretty long way in a place like Alabama.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:17 PM
What I’ve always liked about Bilas is how open-minded he is.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Nick Saban only gets paid $4M a year?
He might be the most underpaid individual in all of American sports.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 PM
“I’m so sick of people exploiting college athletes. Now excuse me I have to cash my insane paycheck I get for talking about college athletes.”
- Jay Bilas
/part of the problem’d
January 27th, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Nick Saban must think everyone is fucking stupid.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 PM
This would never, ever work.
Cam Newton would have just been paid $500k by a local booster’s car dealership.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:24 PM
Holy shit Soccerlens sucks, TBL
January 27th, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Nick Saban only gets paid $4M a year?
And Craig James made $4.2 million last year. The system is broken.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 PM
I watched the Best Of Farley on VH1 the other day — man he was funny. Most of the stuff still holds up. As for this, I say pay all of them — no one cares what I think, or Nick Saban, or Jay Bilas.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Not sure what the problem with the Olympic model is, as if somehow boosters finding ways to pay players will make the sport less competitive than it is now
January 27th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
They should profit from their likeness. Bullshit that Javorski Lane was never got a cent all those years NCAA Football had a fatass Texas A&M running back.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:31 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7509896/the-wwe-royal-rumble-chris-jericho-controlled-chaos
This picture is fantastic! Who is the dudes in the Isle’s jersey?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Trent Richardson agrees.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
i think jay bilas underestimates how little work there is for working musicians out there. most music majors can’t find employment AFTER college let alone during.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:35 PM
Wouldn’t equate banging co-eds and getting free shit as being pre-union coal miners, but the NCAA economic system is based on serfdom.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:36 PM
If his players get paid, then they don’t have to listen to his Napoleonic bullshit anymore.
That’s what happened in Miami. They got paid. They don’t need that shit.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:38 PM
And it’s not like musical talent always equates to success.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:40 PM
How many scholarship athletes go on to play pro sports?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:41 PM
how many musicians have been replaced by synthesizers and computers?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
How many scholarship athletes go on to play pro sports?
Here is a pretty nifty spreadsheet explaining just that:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Issues/Recruiting/Probability+of+Going+Pro
January 27th, 2012 at 1:42 PM
I heard that 99% of them go pro in something other than sports.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:43 PM
This speaks to Bilas’ point. Get money when you can. If you can profit in music as a student fucking take that money. Noel Devine was an incredibly popular player and seemingly all of his profitability as a player was spent making money for other people.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
how many musicians have been replaced by synthesizers and computers?
Just as Asa Phelps, how many mold workers have been replaced by mold-o-matic machines.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:44 PM
I did the math on the sports shown — it’s .7 percent
January 27th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
How many scholarship athletes go on to play pro sports?
how many musicians have been replaced by synthesizers and computers?
Pro Tools. Work of the Devil.
/it’s Friday! Friday! Gotta get down on Friday!!
//y’all will hate me in 5 minutes
January 27th, 2012 at 1:45 PM
Athletes are given an opportunity to showcase their talents at the collegiate level while also having the chance to walk away with a degree and little to no debt. Seems like all the compensation one needs.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
This is the equivalent of Bill Maher interviewing retards about Jesus and coming to the conclusion that Christianity is stupid.
I never saw that movie.
Nick Saban isn’t retarded.
But he is short. He doesn’t make eye contact. He has trouble putting sentences together. Maybe that’s why he’s so good at convincing 17 year old kids to play for him?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
RAY MANZAREK FOR LIFE MOTHER FUCKERS
January 27th, 2012 at 1:46 PM
hah…yea, that’s never happened to a musician, ever. they always get a fair shake and get all of their profits. nobody makes shit off of them, especially not the record companies.
if you can profit in music as a student…well why the fuck are you a student?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:47 PM
You going to write about CBS firing Jacobi over the Paterno stuff here at Big Lead Sports? You guys seem to cover every angle of that whole story. Interesting to see if this gets covered here.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:48 PM
There’s a rumor that Cory Perry could be traded to the Canucks. I call bullshit and if that happens I’ll disown Kenny Holland.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
I never saw that movie.
I’m no Maher fan — but Religuious is very good.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
/Kyrie Irving is nodding his head
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Who’s Jacobi?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 PM
There’s a rumor that Cory Perry could be traded to the Canucks.
/hockeybuzz’d
January 27th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
I’d love for Travis Meeks to play with the Doors again. I would go see that concert in a second.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Shero needs to trade for Team Teemu like yesterday.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Adam Jacobi. Happened to be one of the guys, along with Spencer Hall, that ripped Jason at BwB 2-3 years ago. That wasn’t very cool of them, but CBS firing him over running the Paterno death story on Saturday night is absurd. CBS employs Gregg Doyel for Christ sake.
I am fuming over this.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:51 PM
(e3)
/Eklund’d
January 27th, 2012 at 1:52 PM
This line of logic is fine when arguing against a static statement – “players should not be paid.” But it’s gonna fall flat when actual context is added. Fine, pay the players. Get rid of scholarships. It’ll save me donation money. Going full on free market here? Allow athletic departments to die if they can’t keep up monetarily. Give them a fair advantage – dump Title IX.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
And he died the next day? No big deal
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
CJ,
Adam Jacobi is a blogger who worked for CBSSports.com and they fired him today for picking up that erroneous JoePa death report on Saturday and running it online.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Well, this site also fell for it…
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
that ripped Jason at BwB 2-3 years
What was the context of this? I don’t remember.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Sounds good to me.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:53 PM
Mack Brown gets paid $1 million MORE than Saban.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
*applause*
January 27th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
I don’t think the good folks at BLS want to people to be aware of a precedent where false or suggestively misleading assertions are punishable by termination.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Oh. Well, the way I see it, ideally you dont get things wrong when you break stories, but obviously some things you mess up. BUT, there is one thing that you absolutely should never be wrong about, and that is reporting a death. There shouldnt be a rush to ‘break’ that shit, it’s disgusting.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
And SC…Jacobi absolutely deserved to be fired. It would have been an utter disgrace if he didn’t. He claimed the story as his own, until he realized it wasn’t true, then threw Onward State under the bus.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
Retractions exist for a reason.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:56 PM
SC
What’s the deal with Hawk fans wanting to deal Crawford or get an upgrade? Dude was lights out last postseason.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Thats hilarious. Sounds like ESPN material.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Huh?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
That movie is great.
I thought Jacobi was the one who wrote the “we can confirm JoePa died” piece. If so, he should be fired.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Sometimes lemmings jump off a cliff, Vlad.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
Are you unaware of the entire story? Apparently you are.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
I’m not saying you don’t know this, but as a friendly reminder, Title IX has nothing to do with the NCAA. It’s just been interpreted such that the NCAA must comply. I don’t know what it would take for Title IX to go away, but is that even a realistic possiblity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
This speaks to Bilas’ point as well. Good enough to make money as a musician? Good for you, go right ahead. Good enough to make money playing football or basketball? Oops, sorry, gotta wait until you’re 3 years out of high school or until you’re 19.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 PM
I cannot get over his smugness to give anything he does a fair shake.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
I guess I’ll wait for the post. If there ever is one. Because I disagree with all of you.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
IIRC TBL did a good job waiting on the Dan Wheldon thing. That made me mad, where everyone knew nothing but reported everything, because hey, no repercussions if I’m wrong.
/fuck twitter
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Burn all of CBSSports into the ground.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Week old story that says nothing new + blog post that adds even less + pay the playoffs = page-click gold.
+1 silently edited post
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
In the end, CBS had to let me go for the Paterno story going out the way it did, and I understand completely. Thanks, everyone, for reading.
Sounds like he’s fine with it himself.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Thought the same thing, SC. I just want Kenny to make some moves and Babcock to start playing the right players.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:00 PM
Agreed.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Dude, he took a story from another source, reported it as his own. Then, the story turns out to be fake, and he disowns the story, saying it came from Onward State, whom he did not credit in his original reporting. His firing was more than justified…it was required. No idea how you could think otherwise.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:01 PM
I cannot get over his smugness to give anything he does a fair shake.
This has some merit to it, and it seems like the editing of it is a little fuzzy — but the stars of the movie are the people who he interviews. I think it’s worth a view — he isnt as much of a Dbag in the movie as he is in his show.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Oh…he’s INSANELY smug. Like…crazy whoa smug. I love his panel on Real Time, though. Best political panel on TV as you get honest opinions.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Yes, my statement was overly simplistic…kind of like Bilas’. What I should have said is the NCAA and/or its member institutions would have to make the argument that players should be paid and that Title IX is some sort of an unjust/illegal/unconstitutional barrier to that. They would have to beat it in court otherwise these athletic departments burdened with paying their student athletes would still be burdened with paying millions to keep their fledgling gymnastics department in place.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Like Brandon Jennings?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Always loved it when Christopher Hitchens was on talking foreign policy.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
BUT, there is one thing that you absolutely should never be wrong about, and that is reporting a death.
It was hardly the end of the world and given that he did pass away just 24 hours later, it’s not like it was that off.
/Remember the SNL skit where Tom Brokaw pre-recorded every possible method of death for Gerald Ford?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:03 PM
Boom.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
Salary Cap bitches. Fuck the players if NCAA turns into the premiership with Texas, OSU, MICH, Bama, LSU at the top every year from now on no exception.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:04 PM
That has as much to do with the NFL, NBA, etc. doesn’t it?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Throw in USC, Oregon, Florida and Oklahoma.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
Those were always great debates. Hitch was badass.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:05 PM
What’s the deal with Hawk fans wanting to deal Crawford or get an upgrade?
If I was the Hawks front office I’d be kicking tires to see what else is available, though the price at the deadline is likely too steep. I would take a long hard look at the position this summer, Crawford only has 100 career starts but getting to the point where he is what he is – which is an average NHL starter at best.
Dude was lights out last postseason.
SSS.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
1. There is a lot more training involved in football. Film, schematics, remembering a playbook, learning how to play a position,weight lifting etc. It isn’t street basketball where you can use your athleticism to maneuver to the basket and where you can hone your skills.
2. 18 year olds would get murdered on the field because 1. their bodies arent used to the tackling and the grind of a football game 2. they are undersized (see number 1) and 3. they haven’t learned the position correctly
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 PM
Fuck the players if NCAA turns into the premiership with Texas, OSU, MICH, Bama, LSU at the top every year from now on no exception.
?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 PM
Salary Cap bitches. Fuck the players if NCAA turns into the premiership with Texas, OSU, MICH, Bama, LSU at the top every year from now on no exception.
And watch State legislatures cut funding to hospitals and education programs to make sure the big state school has the maximum funds available to pay for talent? Cause you best believe that the Boudreauxs and Gautreaus would be all for making sure LSU gets all the money it needs.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Marek vs. Wyshinski has started with 5 minutes of vomit talk. Off to a rousing start!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Saban wouldn’t be making only $4MM per if I had my way.
/glares at Mack Brown
January 27th, 2012 at 2:08 PM
Exactly. NBA is one year, and there’s always the AFL if you really want to earn $30k.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Jimmy Howard has turned out alright. And looking at Deadspin, you would think Ovie would be in better shape. Always been surprised he’s not more ripped. If only he worked as hard as Crosby.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:10 PM
Marek vs. Wyshinski has started with 5 minutes of vomit talk. Off to a rousing start!
I haven’t listened to a single show. Worth it to tune in?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
Agreed. They would draft players at 18 and hold them out for a couple of years weight training. It would be a mess. Here are some 18 year olds who could have made the jump:
1. Jim Brown
2. Herschel Walker
3. Randy Moss
That could be it.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:11 PM
And SC…Jacobi absolutely deserved to be fired. It would have been an utter disgrace if he didn’t. He claimed the story as his own, until he realized it wasn’t true, then threw Onward State under the bus.
This was my issue with it. Had he sourced the report originally, then I don’t think this happens.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:12 PM
That’s not even close to it.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
A team I can’t stand won about 3 Cups with an average NHL starter in the cage. Address who plays directly in front of him. Specifically #4.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
I completely agree.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:13 PM
Jimmy Howard has turned out alright.
He’s had a fantastic half a season. Going to take more than 40 games to convince me though.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:14 PM
That doesn’t really address football at all though. That’s why I hink the sport should have an MLB-like farm system.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:15 PM
Except for their fantasy leagues
January 27th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
I generally enjoy listening to it as a podcast on the way home from work. They’re funny, and Marek has the awesome Canadian “aboot” accent. As a Preds fan who doesn’t have cable TV, I’m not always familiar with everything they talk about, and I still enjoy it.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:17 PM
A team I can’t stand won about 3 Cups with an average NHL starter in the cage.
2 of those are pre-lockout. Completely different game.
Address who plays directly in front of him. Specifically #4.
Hawks are tied for 2nd last in goals against in the Western Conference. So you’re saying the Hawks D isn’t good?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Are you just saying you want some sort of retraction of Hockey News’ rankings? Or you just want to hear me say that they need to improve their defense? Because they need to improve their defense.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:19 PM
that’s the problem…it doesn’t help bilas’ point outside of its face value. it’s a grand wonderful statement and all, but it has no rooting in actual practice because a musician’s income is not related to the school promoting them in the slightest. it’s completely separate from the academic setting…the scholarship was purely academic rather than based on a extracurricular skill set.
sure, a musician can make money. it’d be like a football player going to LSU and playing for the a semi-pro team on the weekends to pay rent. but what musicians are getting money from boosters under the table to go to a music school? none. so i fail to see how this analogy applies to the problem at all.
ive used this analogy a few times lately but it fits…bilas is diagnosing the symptom, not the problem. what he’s suggesting is making the whole area gray rather than black and white like it should be. the model shouldn’t be the olympics, rather it should be akin to what a graduate assistant program…something easily controllable and easy to keep track of.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:20 PM
Aren’t you the one that always says “look at the footage” when endlessly defending Roberto Luongo for goals allowed too?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:22 PM
Aren’t you the one that always says “look at the footage” when endlessly defending Roberto Luongo for goals allowed too?
Nope – that was in response to your insistence that he’s not a good playoff goalie. Which we debunked already, no need to revisit.
If I looked back at some of the goals Crawford gave up in the first half, I’d be concerned. But as I said above, I’d ride it out this year and evaluate in the summer.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:25 PM
I’m curious to know the asking price for Brendan Morrow is. Him, Moen and Ruutu would all be fine additions to the Winged Wheel.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:26 PM
Crawford is fine. Improve the defense. Nick Leddy and Nik Hjalmarsson are getting worked in their own end. Get a 2nd pairing defenseman to skate with Leddy and dump 4 down to 3rd pairing minutes with Montador.
As for Jimmy Howard, I recall similar things being said about first half performances as it relates to Tim Thomas and 2010-11 by all the small sample size people.
And Roberto Luongo is still a headcase. Not a number out there that can convince me otherwise.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
I’m curious to know the asking price for Brendan Morrow is.
He’s got a no trade clause, so he can call his shot. But, if healthy, would be a solid add. With a year left on his deal, have to wonder if they would move him within the conference. Moen and Ruutu will both move – probably for decent return.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:28 PM
Gerald Ford was eaten by wolves. He was delicious.
/SNL
January 27th, 2012 at 2:29 PM
you need to comment more often.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 PM
A story about something that happened last Summer without anything new added except “i’d like to see a 1 on 1″ Wow. That Pulitzer Prize winning Journalism.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:00 PM
Nick Saban must think everyone is fucking stupid.
He spends most of his time in Tuscaloosa so this is a given.