The NCAA Tournament is the greatest sporting event of the year, which is why there was some shock among sports fans this morning when a CBS press release announced a $3.99 fee to watch games online. Huh? March Madness on Demand was free – and amazing – the last two years, and now CBS was trying to charge fans? Here’s the Sports Business Journal headline: “Fee-Based Component Coming To March Madness Online Coverage.”
Yikes. (The entire clunky press release is below.)
But the good news is that it’s not nearly that bad.
It appears that this $3.99 fee will only impact a small number of viewers – those who don’t have a cable/satellite provider. I’m not sure exactly who these people are that just watch everything online and via netflix, but clearly, they exist. Apparently, all you need to do is mention your cable/satellite provider when you log onto CBSSports to watch games, and boom, you are good to go. What if you’re trying to watch games from the office? I don’t have an answer to that. Perhaps Turner/CBS will have one later today. Here’s the release:
Turner Sports, CBS Sports and the NCAA today announced that NCAA® March Madness® Live, formerly March Madness on Demand, will now provide college basketball fans with more opportunities to watch every minute of every game of the 2012 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship. Produced by Turner Sports Interactive, NCAA® March Madness® Live is a suite of live products presented across multiple screens, including online and as an iPad, iPhone and iPod touch app and, for the first time, on Android phones.
NCAA® March Madness® Live will be available to users across all video screens – online, mobile and tablet– and over Wi-fi and 3G for $3.99 beginning on March 7. Fans will be able to enjoy live streaming video of every broadcast for the 2012 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship as they are televised by TBS, CBS, TNT and truTV, starting with the NCAA Basketball Selection Show on Sunday, March 11, and continuing through the Men’s Final Four® and National Championship Game from New Orleans on March 31 and April 2.
NCAA® March Madness® Live will continue to be launched from NCAA.com, CBSSports.com and SI.com.
NCAA® March Madness® Live will offer higher quality live video streams across platforms; video highlights for every game of the Tournament on the iPhone and Android phones; live game alerts for Android phones, as well as iPhones and iPads; an updated design; and live radio broadcast courtesy of Westwood One/Dial Global Radio Network, for all 67 games across the suite of digital products. In addition to the new offerings, NCAA® March Madness® Live will again provide the same fan-favorite features from last year including: schedules and live game scoring, live tournament brackets, personal channel lineup features, live stats, and live social companion views.
The NCAA® March Madness® Live video player is presented by NCAA Corporate Champions AT&T, Capital One and Coke Zero. To generate fan excitement leading into March Madness Live coverage, Coke Zero will provide a limited number of fans the opportunity to receive free NCAA® March Madness® access. The promotion launches the week of Feb. 20.
“Turner Sports, CBS Sports and the NCAA are committed to providing the excitement of March Madness on as many screens as possible – television, online, mobile and tablets – for viewers to experience all of the exciting action of this great event wherever they are,” said Matthew Hong, senior vice president and general manager of operations for Turner Sports. “Combining TBS, CBS, TNT and truTV with the enhanced offerings of the new NCAA® March Madness® product provides fans with instantaneous on-the-go access ensuring they won’t miss a moment of the 2012 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship.”
“We continue to look at ways to bring the tournament to more of our fan base and keep them connected to the excitement that culminates with the Final Four,” said NCAA interim executive vice president of championships and alliances Greg Shaheen. “NCAA® March Madness® Live is one of many options college basketball fans will have to watch this year’s tournament how they want, when they want.
The 2012 NCAA Men’s Basketball Championship will be available through the following platforms:
- For the second consecutive year, all 67 games will be televised across four television networks in their entirety — TBS, CBS, TNT, and truTV.
- Turner will stream its linear television games online for free on an authenticated basis on the Turner websites (TBS.com, TNT.tv and truTV.com) for consumers who have a cable, satellite or telco subscription that includes these respective Turner networks. Authenticating this year’s Tournament across the Turner Networks is an extension of the company’s TV Everywhere initiative, which is currently available to over 75 million households.
- All games airing on CBS will be available for free on CBSSports.com.
NCAA® March Madness® features include:
· My Channels: Through My Channels, fans can easily find games using this personalized channel finder. By plugging in their zip code, users can select their TV provider and see their channel lineup for every game on TBS, CBS, TNT and truTV.
· The Game Center View: The Game Center view provides fans with a control center at their fingertips for live in-game stats such as player stats, team leaders, scoring streaks, biggest lead and foul trouble, depending on which device they use – along with a graphic lead tracker – and live social features.
· The Coke Zero™ NCAA March Madness Social Arena: Extending the conversation beyond the broadcast, Coke Zero NCAA March Madness Social Arena will return as the social water cooler for March Madness conversation. New this year, features will be live across the entire NCAA March Madness suite of products and, for the first time, let fans grab key game moments and share them with friends and family. In addition, fans will be able to view social commentary from other fans and celebrities everywhere, answer live tournament trivia, and cheer for their favorite teams. The Coke Zero NCAA March Madness Social Arena will extend onto Coke Zero’s Facebook page – offering a complete video gallery of all fan-grabbed moments, complete access to specially-aggregated Twitter feeds of all 68 teams, a uniquely-visualized bracket view of the loudest fans, and more.
NCAA March Madness will be played at 14 venues around the country beginning March 13. For more information, go to NCAA.com.
Last year, more than 176 million people tuned into the NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Championship.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:46 AM
marketing and artificial excitement go together like peas and carrots.
i love it when dominant teams that proved it over 30+ games get eliminated by a team that has no business having a shot at a championship. totally makes sense.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
any readers here have no cable TV and just get by on Netflix/Hulu?
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
I will most likely pay the $3.99 since I don’t have a pay TV service. But the fact that this content was free in years past is a bit irritating.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
/raises hand
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 AM
YOU JUST GOT KILLED BY A DAEWOO LANUS MOTHA FUCKA
February 16th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Me.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:48 AM
But it’s sooooo exciting to see a last second shot go in the basket!!!!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
lol
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
My work blocks all media, So I’m gonna have to take off that first thursday and friday. No me gusta.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
Yo! One of the better decisions I’ve made
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 AM
+1 Gusgasm
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
Said dominant team has no business losing to the team having no business having a shot.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
No (legal) live sports is a deal-breaker.
We’ll have to wait until Apple figures out how to offer a la carte subscription-based service, where every network is an “app” and you just pay for the ones you want to watch.
An app for ESPN, and app for HBO, and app for AMC, etc.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
I don’t see an issue if they did want to charge everybody $3.99. It costs them a lot of money to do something like that, and $3.99 is such a nominal fee.
I’d rather get nickle and dimed with stuff like this, and only pay for things I want then be forced to pay for things I don’t care about (Bravo, WE, Lifetime, etc.).
February 16th, 2012 at 10:50 AM
If you pay $3.00 for a cup of coffee I better not hear you bitching about paying $4.00 to watch 64 basketball games.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
So jealous. I tried it last year for a month, but the wife couldn’t handle it. Didn’t help that I got bottlenecked by my internet provider.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Hook. Line. Sinker.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
I get ESPN3 without having a cable/satellite TV service. Get plenty of live legal sports through that.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Being in a bar for the 1st Thursday And Friday of the tourney is my idea of what heaven looks and feels like.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
This is why Im afraid to go internet only for TV. Shit like this is going to start happening.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
I totally could with my jailbroken ipad/appleTv. Well, I could have before firstrowsports got shut down.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
i would agree completely.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:52 AM
Considering taking these days off this year.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
Mine was more than happy to try it. Two weeks in, she said lets cancel the Direct TV sub. No bottlenecking yet, either.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:53 AM
With the fee attached to watching these games online, this may be the better option.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
ESPN3 doesn’t require a cable log-in?
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
If you pay $3.00 for a cup of coffee I better not hear you bitching about paying $4.00 to watch 64 basketball games.
This is a great point.
Being in a bar for the 1st Thursday And Friday of the tourney is my idea of what heaven looks and feels like.
I’ve never done it. This will be my 4th March Madness opening weekend and I’ve never been able to take work off until this year — I am very excited. Though with games in Pittsburgh on Thursday, I may try to scalp or stubhub — especially if OSU is there.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
It’s better than the WatchESPN app, which I can’t use right now because I don’t have one of the select providers. DirecTV is not an option.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Costs go up, especially if the number of people logging on goes up.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
For an extra $2.99 Billy Packer will deliver your pizza.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
Scuba Steve – if at $3.99 let’s say CBS/Turner make $1 million (pulling number out of thin air). That’s 250k people paying.
Don’t you think they could say, hmmm, if we get those 250k people again, but charge 9.99, we’re now clearing 2.5 million?
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 AM
No.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
I know when I go to watch sports at a bar I have a strict 4 dollar spending limit.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:55 AM
Why? They paid a boatload for the rights & pay for developing iOS & Android apps. It’s all about increasing revenue streams.
Don’t like it? Don’t pay for it. All the games are broadcast now.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
Don’t think so. But I think the ‘Watch ESPN’ app does. I can only watch live events thru ESPN3, no Monday Night Football or any other ESPN programming like you can with Watch ESPN. But I only have TWC internet and can watch live sports on my laptop or Xbox 360.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:56 AM
this sounds like a teaser for the next Janoff post.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
DAMNIT…lost an entire fucking reply because i didn’t alter the word “s0ci4l1st.”
FUCK.
tl:dr version…we harangue over this outrageous methodology just to determine who’s worthy of getting into the tournament, but once the tournament starts, we throw everything out the window and take the pontoon bout out to troll for “rudy’s.” awesome!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Or, they could charge $1,000 and clear $250M!!!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
I believe it’s just based on your service provider for the internet. I had it with ATT and Verizon internet without having cable.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:57 AM
That’s what I would be afraid of. And why I’d like to find a free option to watching the games instead of paying.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
I still claim if Heyward’s shot went in it would have been the greatest moment in US sports history.
/Not counting Miracle on Ice b\c it was international
February 16th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Uh-oh…are we broaching the every American has a right to the NCAA Tourney subject?
February 16th, 2012 at 10:58 AM
You cant watch the NFL on sunday with strict internet only, can you?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Or you could just pay for cable.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
The “app” thing Mike described above sounds freaking awesome.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
TBL, I think you need to differentiate between what you would like, and what is realistic.
Would it be nice to get everything streaming over the internet? Sure, but it’s not a smart business decision.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:00 AM
You can, for $350 through DirecTV.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
Any game you want.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
@Scuba – Do you still have an antennae for regular broadcast TV on your television? I have seriously thought about canceling everything and trying the streaming (probably won’t until HBO makes it possible). I was just wondering if you can still pull HD broadcast channels out of thin air.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
im missing any type of point in this hypothetical.
seems like a great way to neuter demand for the NCAA tourney product.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
I paid $39.99 for league pass mobile this year with the intent of hooking it up to my tv via HDMI, and still haven’t gotten it to work on my phone. I spent 2 days complaining to the NBA and finally broke down and just illegally used a cracked NBA.tv app on my ipad, and stream every game to my AppleTV. I’d pay $3.99 to watch the tourney on my iPad or whatever, but I’d be pissed if it didn’t work.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
I do enjoy the CFB die-hards that defend their championship season by saying that this is what their sport does, it’s unique and it works and the fans still care. Well, CBB is the same way. Method for determing the champ is no perfect, but it is exciting, unique and still requires a tremendous effort by a team to accomplish it.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:01 AM
I try to take a 3 hour lunch at a sports bar on those days. It’s more fun watching it at a sports bar.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Yes…I get all local channels in HD and most of those channels have sub-channels with classic TV, music videos, etc. I think I get about 30 or so channels with just old school rabbit ears.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
i claim that big ben’s TD to santonio was a greater moment.
i claim tiger’s 2008 us open win on a broken leg was a greater moment.
i claim ben hogan winning the us open after having his entire body destroyed 18 months earlier protecting his wife from a head on collision with a greyhound bus was a greater moment.
i claim that jesse owens showing hitler his dick is the greatest moment.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
im missing any type of point in this hypothetical.
seems like a great way to neuter demand for the NCAA tourney product.
agreed. This is why Louis CK was smart only charging $5.00 for his online show.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
You can do this, and the quality of the channels depends on where you live. But you’d have to put an antenna up (most houses don’t have one anymore).
February 16th, 2012 at 11:03 AM
Those illegal foreign feeds, right? I did those a couple times to watch Sox games that are blacked out on Saturdays. Would NOT want to rely on those for all my live sports watching.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
They’re legal to watch.
I love them. I can get most things in HD streaming.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:04 AM
it’s the EXACT same end, only CFB’s means are consistent with their season long method. CBB’s are not. it’s like having a marathon where the winner is determined by having the first 64 finishers have a tournament where they have to sprint. IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
You see what FOX announced yesterday about Saturday baseball? I’m fucking pissed.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
I don’t understand how this relates to Jeremy Lin.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:05 AM
Have we not made a major motion pitcure about this yet? I’m shocked it wasn’t included somewhere in Inglorious Basterds in the exact way you just described it, too.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Being in a bar for the 1st Thursday And Friday of the tourney is my idea of what heaven looks and feels like.
its so damn fun. just games everywhere. love the break before the night games. its like getting a second wind.
actually, the whole first weekend is insanely fun.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
I’m more shocked that TBL doesn’t recognize that there’s a demand curve. There’s no direct 1:1 correlation, the more you charge for something, the fewer people will be willing to buy it.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:06 AM
You see what FOX announced yesterday about Saturday baseball? I’m fucking pissed.
does this mean every saturday night game will be blacked out if your team’s game is not on FOX for those 8 saturdays?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
Wait, what? I feel like I’m missing something here.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
There’s no direct 1:1 correlation, the more you charge for something, the fewer people will be willing to buy it.
dingdingding.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:07 AM
I am sure you can get some nice bunny ears at Radio Shack that will pick up most stuff.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:08 AM
you’re unfamiliar with jesse owens at the 1936 olympics?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
No (legal) live sports is a deal-breaker.
I have a 12 yr old and he and I take in every Braves game that we can. I don’t think I could tell him “No more Braves”.
MLB TV $100+ for the season may be worth it though?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
I’ve always thought about it like this. The NCAA tournament has zero bearing on the regular season. I think coaches who want to center their seasons on that crapshoot are stupid. I am such a bigger fan of the regular season and the conf toourneys from a “this is what this team did this season” perspective. The NCAA tourney is pretty much like watching the Royal Rumble.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
I did not know this. That’s badass.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Team watch everything online for free. In Canada if you like college sports the internet is your only real option. HD streams are abundant. I have a laptop hooked into a flat screen with wireless keyboard and mouse. So much better than cable. Can’t understand paying to watch commercials. One downside, I remember staying up until 3 in the morning to watch a new Mad Men episode.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Wait, what? I feel like I’m missing something here.
you’re unfamiliar with jesse owens at the 1936 olympics?
it was the sparty justice of its time
February 16th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Depends on how far away you live from the broadcast towers.
I looked into it for myself, and my house is about 70 miles from NYC, so I would need a strong antenna on top of my house. If I lived in NYC, or even just across the river in Jersey, I could get a small pair on top of the TV that would pick up the signal just fine.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Why? Its the same as now, the games are only blacked out if they’re on at the same time as the national broadcast
February 16th, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Yes.
Also yes. You got a PS3, XBox or Apple TV? It’s very much worth it with those options.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
that’s seriously the best comparison for it.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Like baseball.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Can anyone explain why they felt the need to expand from 64 to 68? Am I the only one that hates the new format?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
does this mean every saturday night game will be blacked out if your team’s game is not on FOX for those 8 saturdays?
Yes.
well that’s some bullshit right there. damn.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:11 AM
When the 1st games were on St Patricks Day last year, it was just too awesome for words.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
I did not know this. That’s badass.
I didn’t either, very cool. Tiger in the open was great — but a kid from a mid major banking in a half courter with no time on the clock agaisnt (arguably) the #1 powerhouse program in the country would have ‘moved the needle’ alot more. Same with Ben\Holmes, and I’m a Steelers fan.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
I know that he won in Germany. Did I take your previous comment too literally?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
NOT like baseball…in baseball they have series. in CBB, it’s one and done. yes, it’s still a smaller sample size, but one single evening does not destroy a year’s worth of work.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
The games will be regionalized, beginning May 19 with five possibilities including Boston against PhiladelphiaIf Phillymantis does his fucking job, this shouldn’t effect me.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 AM
I don’t understand… blacking out my team’s game on saturday night isn’t going to get me to watch some random Angels/Rangers game. I’ll just do something else not related to baseball. Who thought this was a good idea?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
I want to live in this world.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
you did…owens figuratively showed hitler his dick. seriously…you gotta read up on this.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Need more at-large teams that finished 7-9 in conference to get a shot at the title…or something
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
So who else is excited for this lemon chicken soup I’m going to get for lunch today?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
It makes some sense. The influx of games (for $$$ reasons) has deflated the value of the regular season. But winning the conference regular season still means something. Also, if you really enjoy CBB then you enjoy following your team/league through the season and see how they improve/fall apart. And how they perform determines where they line up to make the final sprint and who they sprint against. There are also rivalry games just like in football that mean a lot to the fanbases involved.
And CFB’s means are not always consistent with their season long method. They played a fucking “game of the century” during the cherished regular season that turned out to not mean a fucking thing, so don’t preach about CFB being consistent with anything, it’s a season by season crapshoot determined by media opinions, theoreticals, and computer percentage points.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
They are going to carry more than just 3 games on FOX some weekends. Which means that more than just 3 games will be blacked out on Saturdays. If I want to watch a different game, I can’t.
I really hate that FOX blackout rule. I pay for these games, let me watch them. It makes no sense.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Fixed for accuracy
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
I just have basic cable (networks, no ESPN etc) through Comcast. But if I want to watch it I’d be doing it at work. Will it just believe me that I have Comcast, or I have to log in with ID/password etc. Seems like a pain, and like a good chance I won’t be watching it now.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 AM
Its the only way most are able to parlay their jobs into better ones. And how some schools judge their team’s performance.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:14 AM
In the last paragraph, they said that teams would just reverse what they normally do to avoid going up against the national broadcast. So they’d play day games instead of night.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
the tournament itself is already artificial excitement…why not just manufacture some more? we’ll make more $$$ on games that have absolutely no meaningful impact at all and dumb people will eat it up like candy!
how are these play-in games any different than mid-december bowls between MAC schools?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
Very much so. Who doesn’t hate paying bloated cable/satellite bills because the packages are 80% crap you will never watch
February 16th, 2012 at 11:15 AM
And to this day, it pretty much galvanized the African American in terms of athletic and phallic dominance.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
No I know he just straight dominated. Hell, I think I heard that the crowd was even giving Owens ovations and shit like that. I was being stupid though and thought I missed something like Owens just mushroom slapping Hitler or something like that.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
So they’d play day games instead of night.
so now pretty much every home baseball game on the weekends is going to have to be a day game? Atlanta is going to be pissed. Those Saturday afternoon’s in July aren’t going to draw nearly as well(too hot) as Saturday nights, which were usually close to selling out.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
I am about 20 miles from the broadcast towers so I think I should be okay. I will have to take some inventory of my TV watching before I did something like that though. I mean just buying the MLB/NBA/NFL packages would be the quite the expenditure and cut into the savings of getting rid of cable/satellite.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
So if you don’t have TNT, you don’t get to watch those games. In other words, fuck Comcast, fuck Turner, and fuck this stupid post for being a Janoff bit in disguise. How much did you get slipped to massacre the point, McTibble?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
Absolutely agree
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
I will catch up to you on this one even if it’s the last thing I do.
/shakes fist
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 AM
It is a good analogy, but just like the Rumble, the wrestlers that are established and have had good performances throughout the year will typically do better. Everyone likes to see Doink the CLown eliminate a few people but eventually you know HBK and his reverse rope climb back are going to be there in the end. And it also depends on what number you draw. Unless you are Stone Cold and just start at the beginning and kick everyone out.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Sometimes the better team loses in sports, I can accept that. What I have a harder time accepting is that you can go undefeated in a sport and not be the champion.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:17 AM
Sure, unless you’re within the blackout zone, then no local baseball for you.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
/crosses fingers & hopes they won’t show any games all year
//reads link
///boo
February 16th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Weird how paying for the product, gets you the products.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:18 AM
Just for like 8 weeks, so about half the season.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:19 AM
Hey Spencer… golf question for ya.
Versus a stock shaft, how many yards, or how much accuracy (IYO) does a top-of-the-line shaft gain you with a driver? Is it really worth $200-300?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
I don’t get this. SO you get “fake” excited at tourney time?
After winning the play-in game they get a shot at a big school. Once ni a blue moon they keep it close or knock them off.
You always get pissed when people compare NFL and CFB. Why are you trying to nail down analogies for CFB and CBB. Two different things, both good in their own right.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:20 AM
agreed there…schadenfraude is worth tuning in no matter what. i hate CBB (because it’s bad basketball, you see?) but i ALWAYS love watching duke lose.
CFB was still consistent…it’s idiots with laptops and no perspective that truly think that each and every year there are multiple teams that had proven themselves worthy of having a shot at a championship.
im completely with you on how ridiculous it was for there to be a rematch…LSU had already beaten bama. bama didn’t deserve another shot but got it because people wanted another thing to get excited about and the powers that be wanted to cash in. if anything, this snafu proves how CFB had gotten the system RIGHT in previous years.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Agreed, that is strange.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Who would be the Stone Cold of NCAA basketball teams? Discuss.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
Biron in net tonight, Jersey. Thanks for the break. The Hawks appreciate New York’s generosity on our 9 game losing streak.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:21 AM
The point is that they offered it free, now they are charging. Which is the point that TBL completely missed. I assume the number of people who don’t get TNT is not negligible.
Which really shouldn’t surprise me, because TNT last year took all it’s streaming shows and hid them from non-TNT viewers.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
An app for ESPN, and app for HBO, and app for AMC, etc
XBox is already doing this with ESPN. Maybe others.
I’ve been toying with the idea of dropping cable… decision:
1. Buy another XBox to use as the media hub
2. Buy a maxed out PC with a jacked up video card as my media hub
3. Roku/Boxee Box/AppleTV combo
Thoughts?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
You have to do it. It is literally the mecca of male-bonding and awesomeness.
You’d be amazed at how many people refuse to accept this truism.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:22 AM
/raises hand
February 16th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Because there is no such thing as over the air network TV.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
This whole dropping cable/satellite and getting your entertainment soley from the internet thing is fairly new. I cant blame any cable channel that sees the trend and attempts to make up for lost revenue.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
You’re welcome. Our personal alliance is paying off professionally. Cap’n Callahan is still going to rain havoc on you.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:23 AM
I’m getting pretty sick of your shots at New England fans…
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
Because there is no such thing as over the air network TV.
you’re still going to get the over the air game for free though. you want more, you pay more.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
That’s why you are able to watch all games that air on CBS free of charge.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
good link.
there are no standards for stiffness amongst companies regarding shafts. what might be a R for one company might fit into another company’s S. some are more quality than others. some companies make “made for” shafts that are different than the same model that’s aftermarket.
in my opinion, the shaft is WAY more important than the driver head. all driver heads are pretty much similar…very little difference. but with shafts, the kick point, the torque, the spin it generates has a MUCH greater effect on ballflight.
i think it’s better to spend the big money on a shaft vs. a driver. you can use that shaft in every driver you buy and know it’ll be consistent.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 AM
This fits me perfectly. As long as Duke and Syracuse (not sure why, but I hate their fans) don’t win shit I always leave happy.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
I run off three Rokus. Anything that’s not streaming on Roku, I can connect my laptop to the TV, or just watch it on there. There’s also a wireless PC to HDMI in available.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
The system where there are split champions?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:25 AM
The NCAA tourney is pretty much like watching the Royal Rumble.
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
February 16th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
I mean.. it’s 4 bucks. I’m surprised more people aren’t bitching about the outrageous price of the Sunday ticket. 16 games for what is it now $300? $400? dollars? Spread out over a few months, but still.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Really? You have more info on that?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Is it really lost revenue though? The distribution cost is more, but they have commercials, and can very easily track views. People watching online are far less likely to switch channels as well I’d bet, which means more personal investment into the shows. I think it’s extremely short-sighted to assume there is no free streaming model that is profitable. It just needs more work. (The South Park guys stream all their shows for free, and it’s about break-even, IIRC)
February 16th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
Holy shit… just go to a bar. That is amazing.
As far as the $4 goes, it’s silly, but sort of a principle thing also. Plus, if people spend $4 no problem, next year it’ll be 6…8… 10… etc.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
The more I think about it, the more I actually like how CBB is set up. As long as you’re fine with putting less stock in the tourney, its actually extremely fair.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:27 AM
i don’t get excited at all during tourney time. why would i? LOOK HOW CORRECT MY BRACKET IS. OH MAN, UPSETS. GAMBLING.
not my bag, baby.
i get pissed when people compare the NFL and CFB because they’re both fantastic products from beginning to end. i don’t consider CBB to be the same quality…if i were presented a compelling argument, id be willing to change my stance. but as long as these little leagues get auto invites, i don’t see it changing.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Or how the NBA is still trying to charge $169 for NBA Season Pass for the remainder of the season like its a fucking bargain.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
16 games for what is it now $300?
Holy shit… just go to a bar. That is amazing.
Agreed.. but when you think about it… if you do end up going to the bar, and spend about $20 bucks on drinks and food X 16 weeks… that’s $320 right there. NFL just has its out of market viewers by the balls. It sucks.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:29 AM
CJ – Right here: http://www.warpia.com/
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
If anything, offering it for free was a genius move. Lure everyone in, then charge a modest amount that people will complain about but will still probably pay anyway. Like that initial free sample you get from a new drug dealer.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 AM
And not only is the Sunday ticket expensive, the NFL forces you to switch cable providers if you don’t have DirecTV. Crazzy.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
/jaw drops
February 16th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
The first Thursday of March Madness used to be one of my favorite sports days of the year (along with Opening Day MLB, Masters Thursday, and Marathon Monday). I’ve sort of lost a lot of my interest in CBB and I’m not sure why. I don’t know if the product has changed or I have, but I’m not nearly as excited for it as I used to be.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
The Royal Rumble was the best because even though you knew the guys who were coming out — it still was exciting. The entrances were more exciting than the in ring action.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:31 AM
Bar tabs pile up fast, homey. If you go in with a friend or two, it’s cheap as shit compared to going to a bar each week.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Exactly. $350 is criminal but I still pay it. $350/17 = ~$21 per week. You’re not going to any bar for 8 hours and spending less than that.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Does Roku stream FX?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Why do you need 3 Rokus?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Say what now?
/team DirecTV
February 16th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
they’re not charging you to watch your local team…they’re charging you for your request to get special broadcasting.
there’s a difference.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
My balls are firmly in Goodell’s vice grip. I hate going to a bar to watch a game, and with a baby it’s usually not an option anyway.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Depends on how good your team is really, I think only half of my games werent nationally televised.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Say what now?
/team DirecTV
I used to have DirecTV when I lived in WI… the number of times it went out due to heavy rain or snow, and the length of time it took to re-boot after a weather outage was annoying as hell. Maybe it’s better now, but I Can count on one finger the # of times my cable has gone out down here.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
you pay for sunday ticket so you have control over what you watch on your own schedule. you don’t pay for the broadcast, you pay for the convenience…otherwise, yea go to a bar.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Well that depends. As a Patriots fan, I’m fairly lucky that there will be 2-3 primetime games a year, and then they are a premier matchup for the league, so another 3 games I can see them at home. Then there’s sometimes the Packers are on instead so we watch them, and then a few Sundays each year I’m busy enough that I won’t go to a bar or that the matchup is hardly compelling. In reality, there only 3-4 games that I really want to see each year that I would go to a bar for.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
One for each TV in the house. Bedroom, living room, family room.
not that I can tell. One complaint, but one I can deal with.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
People that like CBB feel the way you do about the NFL and CFB. And for the record I love all three. I’m not going to present an argument for CBB because you have to like basketball, and moreover, the style they play in college. I’m not getting into an NBA/CBB debate here but I know there are people who like NBA and not CBB. I’ve loved it since I was a kid so I will always be intrigued every season, not just during March. If it’s not your thing fine, but it’s a lazy argument to bitch about how it is setup. Particularly when the other sports can be nitpicked about their system.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:35 AM
Depends on how good your team is really, I think only half of my games werent nationally televised.
That’s true too.. I got to see about half the Packers games… but I know a couple of Browns fans that live in Atlanta… sucks for them can’t see their team play unless they go to a bar.
/waits for cleveland and or browns jokes
February 16th, 2012 at 11:36 AM
I’ve heard this to, but I’ve never had an issue with this. It does go out at times, but it’s so rare.
I ended my season ticket purchase since the baby is going to be here this year, but I honestly don’t think I’ll miss it. With as good as the networks have gotten with their natural sound and the HD and all that, I think going to the games is incredibly overrated.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Well I also have basic cable which I don’t think Direct TV can do, not sure if I could get Sunday Ticket. If I get a pool table and the bar built downstairs ever, that would change.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:37 AM
Well I also have basic cable which I don’t think Direct TV can do
yeah, IIRC, DirecTV has a package that’s like 30 bucks a month for just basic cable.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:38 AM
it’s hardly a lazy argument. HARDLY.
a lazy argument is saying “college football playoff” and rehashing the same argument others have made over and over and over and the post becoming more trolling links than actual substance. im asking a legitimate question here…why have a special set of circumstances for determining a champion than you employed during the regular season?
fuck it…why not just have a giant playoff for four months start at the beginning? at least the best teams will know exactly what they have to do for the entire season instead of completely switching mindsets from the conference postseasons to the tourney?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
+$10 for HD package, +$6 for DVR service, +$5 for each separate receiver
Their package starts off cheap, various fees raise it quickly.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:41 AM
February 16th, 2012 at 11:42 AM
See I could swing that, but since I somehow live in a rural area of a major city (really) we are pretty limited in internet options. We’d have to get a different internet or something, and it’s just not a priority as long as I’m working 60 hours a week anyway.
It seems that networks are taking free streaming shows off the air and the Netflix streaming business model won’t last because networks want to charge you themselves for their shows rather than let NF do it. I wonder where this all is going, but it seems like the internet is rapidly becoming not free anymore, unless you just really like porn.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Fuck. This is ending with me fortifying my compound in the woods and living off the grid, isn’t it.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Replace Netflix with Hulu, and I would tend to agree. Netflix was never for current shows, they’re always a season behind.
Hulu is hella overrated.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
So is European soccer your ideal model? Play every team twice (usually ends up being 38 games) and the team with the best record/most points wins?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:46 AM
Right, that’s not a lazy argument? There’s value to the regular season, just not as much perceived value as CFB.
Switching mindsets is the hard.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
If you want to go to this game or do TBL Philly, DM me on Twitter and I’ll get shit rolling. Single game tix went on sale today, and I’m willing to spend money to get tix for this game. We’ll probably have to do standing room, but Citizens Bank Park is awesome for it though.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
Every sport except college football has a playoff. I like playoffs. What CBB does isn’t the best way to crown the best team in a given year, but I prefer including teams that are less deserving than excluding teams that are deserving. That’s what I like about sports, you play it out. Being ‘better’ doesn’t excuse from having to prove it. I’m still not convinced that Oklahoma State wouldn’t have beaten LSU, but I witnessed VCU beat Kansas last year. And for me, that’s easier to accept.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
not at all…it forces someone to think about why they like something and if that makes sense. i feel ive presented a pretty compelling argument as to why i think the NCAA rings hollow.
i mean, think about how much we celebrate upsets. why do we do this? HOORAY! instead of watching kentucky i get to watch…purdue? blech. we the consumer should demand the fat get trimmed. 32 teams…there aren’t 64 championship caliber teams out there, period.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:59 AM
In CBB a team has to win 6 games to be the champ. That’s like 17% of the number of games they play in the entire season. If that’s not a continuation of the marathon, I don’t know what is. So what if it’s one-and-done? If anything, CFB’s entire season is a bunch of one-and-dones because you have to win 12 games if you want a guaranteed shot at the title.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:00 PM
No Twitter until tonight.
I may be rolling with my wife and brother. I’ll discuss amongst the St.Bears over the weekend, and get back to you.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Oh, well if this is your point then I completely agree.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
I mean, Auburn. But ok.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Throwing your hands up and saying why not have all the teams play each other is lazy in my opinion. I don’t have to think about why I like CBB, I’ve explained it because I already know. In your mind I’m sure you’ve won the argument, but this isn’t a win/loss exercise. We like CBB, we like underdogs, and we like watching the tournament unfold.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:02 PM
being “better” in every case im referring to means they HAVE proven it. they proved it in the regular season.
/this debate hits on why i love golf so much. those shots on the back 9 at the end of tournaments matter, but you wouldn’t even be in that spot unless you proved it during the previous 63 holes. guys that miss the cut don’t get a chance to play the back 9 and win the same tournament.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
Apparently you missed CFB this year.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Good man. Giggles @ St. Bears
February 16th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
but “throwing your hands up” would at least be consistent with the way they determine their champion! how are you not seeing this? lazy is saying it’s ok for a team that’s not worthy to beat a great team in ONE game and saying they’re definitively better. lazy is saying everyone deserves the same shot, even though a good 1/3 of those teams haven’t earned the right. lazy is a format that penalizes people for succeeding.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:04 PM
There are teams that miss the cut in CBB.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
and teams know that going into the season. the whole regular college football season is one giant playoff and it’s looked at with the same macro view the entire time.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Apparently you missed the word “guaranteed”.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:07 PM
How many golfers make the cut though? Isnt it more than the 68 in CBB?
February 16th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
How did Alabama prove it? By beating who, Arkansas? A shitty Penn State? Oklahoma State beat better teams, which should mean more than losing to a worse team. College football has to fit 2 teams into 2 slots, whether or not there are more than 2 deserving teams. There are maybe 20 deserving teams in college basketball a year on average, but they throw in an extra 68, which you find more egregious. There’s just an ideolical differnce between us.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:09 PM
ideological difference. Fuck.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Because I don’t smoke weed, OBVIOUSLY.
Who says they are definitely better? That’s bullshit. VCU was not definitely better than Kansas, but in Thunderdome, when it mattered they won.
Earning the right is by winning your conference tourney, and being good enough to get an at-large. Those teams that are weaker are given tougher roads to the title and usually put in environments where they are the de facto visiting team.
Penalized? That’s laughable mang. The most successful teams get in and have an excellent shot to win the title. Look at the breakdown of who has won the NCAA tourney by seed and you will see it is more often the higher seeded teams.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:11 PM
I’ve seen undefeated, 12-win teams not make the title game. Nothing is guaranteed in CFB.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Until a bunch of teams lose and you can’t possibly sort out who should be the last two standing.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Apparently you don’t know the definition of guaranteed
February 16th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Except for it’s not. Because if it were, there would be no way Alabama would have played in last year’s title.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Indiana not winning the Big Ten
February 16th, 2012 at 12:17 PM
I’ll stipulate.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:33 PM
A top 3 seed has won the the men’s CBB tourney in 28 of the 32 years they have been seeding the tournament. Any argument that the tournament prevents the best teams from winning a championship is specious.
February 16th, 2012 at 12:58 PM
i think so…and im not hating on yall for loving the tourney. i just don’t get it, myself. i know im weird tho.
but on what you said regarding CFB, not at all. i thought OK St. deserved it over alabama…i thought LSU got screwed for the exact reasons i mentioned regarding basketball.
their respective 30+ game sample sizes say they’re better.
February 16th, 2012 at 1:00 PM
that’s anecdotal evidence though…the tournament is fun, but when it tries determine the best overall team in a given year, it falls short. im not sure how you can argue that relegating the success or failure of an entire year into one 40 minute sample size benefits the team that’d win 99 times out of 100.